I'm just testing this forum. It looks very similar to some commercial ones I've seen and like. Kudos to the development team, and hopefully this will all be up and running soon here at alt.org.There seemed to be a need, so I spent some time with this. Many hours later, I'm happy to present Vixie Cron 3.0pl1, mildly modified and cross-compiled for TiVo.
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I'm assuming anyone that cares about this already knows what cron is. I've tried to make installation as easy as possible, while modifying cron's behavior as little as possible. Please read the included README for details.
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Please post comments and feedback to this forum. Non vi users out there might like to try an editor that is a little more intuitive. nano, similar to the pico editor students use for pine, is now cross-compiled for TiVo.
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I've included instructions for installation, which should also take care of the term library stuff which can be difficult. I've tried to make it as easy as possible, statically compiling the term libraries into a single nano executable.
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Please let me know what you think.Next in my short string of cross-compiling fun is elvis 1.4. elvis is a small implementation of vi, with all the expected behaviors.
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This distribution includes a short terminfo database, and instructions for setup so that your terminal support should work. I've tried to make things as easy and well-documented as possible.
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Maybe this will vindicate me around my unix friends for making nano (pico like editor) available.
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As always, feedback to forum. Thanks.Thanks for dropping by. I created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums, and also defined a requirement that all code/programs discussed here must be released under an Open Source license.
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Traffic will be very low for a bit, and may stay that way depending on whether or not this forum picks up at all, but I invite your posts.
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If you're looking for source code for anything discussed here, just ask. If you post something here, please post it with source code (and choice of license) or a pointer to some generally available source code in the case of trivially ported apps.
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Thanks again, and I hope this forums works out.Thanks for dropping by. I created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums, and also defined a requirement that all code/programs discussed here must be released under an Open Source license.
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Traffic will be very low for a bit, and may stay that way depending on whether or not this forum picks up at all, but I invite your posts.
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If you're looking for source code for anything discussed here, just ask. If you post something here, please post it with source code (and choice of license) or a pointer to some generally available source code in the case of trivially ported apps.
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Thanks again, and I hope this forum works out.Please post additional links that I may miss.
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DealDatabase DirecTivo forum, for the relatively hardcore, including video extraction talk:
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/" target=_new>http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/</a>
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TiVo Community forums. Many more newbies, and no video extraction talk, but lots of traffic:
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<a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/" target=_new>http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/</a>I know this isn't strictly necessary, since the 2.0.1 module works just fine, but there's no reason the module _shouldn't_ be updated against the different kernel version, so here it is. At a minimum, you shouldn't get the warning any more if inserting this into a TiVo 2.5 kernel.
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nfs module compilation turned out to be easier than I thought, with a slight problem involving a kernel assembly function export, all 8 lines of which are just compiled into this module now.
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Happy hacking.Thanks for dropping by. I created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums, and also defined a requirement that all code/programs discussed here must be released under an Open Source license.
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Traffic will be very low for a bit, and may stay that way depending on whether or not this forum picks up at all, but I invite your posts.
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If you're looking for source code for anything discussed here, just ask. If you post something here, please post it with source code (and choice of license) or a pointer to some generally available source code in the case of trivially ported apps.
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Thanks again, and I hope this forum works out.Please post additional links that I may miss.
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DealDatabase DirecTivo forum, for the relatively hardcore, including video extraction talk:
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/" target=_new>http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/</a>
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TiVo Community forums. Many more newbies, and no video extraction talk, but lots of traffic:
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<a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/" target=_new>http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/</a>Thanks for dropping by. I created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums, and also defined a requirement that all code/programs discussed here must be released under an Open Source license.
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Traffic will be very low for a bit, and may stay that way depending on whether or not this forum picks up at all, but I invite your posts.
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If you're looking for source code for anything discussed here, just ask. If you post something here, please post it with source code (and choice of license) or a pointer to some generally available source code in the case of trivially ported apps.
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Thanks again, and I hope this forum works out.Please post additional links that I may miss.
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DealDatabase DirecTivo forum, for the relatively hardcore, including video extraction talk:
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/" target=_new>http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/</a>
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TiVo Community forums. Many more newbies, and no video extraction talk, but lots of traffic:
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<a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/" target=_new>http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/</a>grep is already available for TiVo, but this is a slightly newer version. Also included is GNU mawk (an awk implementation) 1.3.3, and GNU sed 3.0.2, both of which are absent on stock TiVo installs.
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If you don't know what these are, then you're not a shell programmer, and you probably don't care. 
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Questions and comments to the forum, but this one is pretty self-explanatory.
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I'm also working on a general web page of links and downloads, now at:
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<a href="http://alt.org/tivo/" target=_new>http://alt.org/tivo/</a>In the interest of getting more people started on cross-compilation for TiVo, I've put together a complete cross-compilation environment for TiVo, ready to go. It was compiled on Debian 3.0 (woody), but should work on any reasonably recent Linux distribution.
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<a href="ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/tivodev-2.5_dtype1.tar.bz2" target=_new>ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/tivodev-2.5_dtype1.tar.bz2</a>
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This tarball should be extracted in /home, creating /home/tivodev. It is possible to put it elsewhere, but you'll be changing several things by hand afterwords if you do. If you don't like putting it in /home, just make a symlink.
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/home/tivodev/README has very short instructions as to how to use this. The kit includes the environment shipped from TiVo, including full kernel source (which compiles very nicely). Thanks goes out to mbm of samba.org, for his environment creation scripts which got me started creating this.
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Many compiles will now be as easy as:
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Questions about cross-compilation and this kit in particular should be posted to the original location for this post, at <a href="http://alt.org/forum/" target=_new>http://alt.org/forum/</a>, for the most prompt attention.
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Happy hacking.Awesome. For some reason it never occured to me to get these compiled.I've had this one for quite some time on my web page, <a href="http://members.safepages.net/stamasd@seniorglobe.org/" target=_new>http://members.safepages.net/stamasd@seniorglobe.org/</a> (as well as other goodies). 
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Actually, all you need to keep you from getting the kernel version mismatch is a hex editor. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">Cool, I hadn't seen that link before. I'll add it to the links &amp; downloads page I'm working on at <a href="http://alt.org/tivo/." target=_new>http://alt.org/tivo/.</a>
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So many pages just point people to nfs-2.0.1. Not that it is crucial, but it would be an idea to ping the maintainers of these pages to get an update.There were at least 2 more forums, one at linux-hacker.net (I think it's dead now - or was it linuxhacker.net - btw, the latter seems to have been recently hacked, litterally!) and another one, still alive but barely, at ptvupgrade.com.You may want to mirror the stuff on my page (BTW, you can access it through the tivocommunity.com forum by clicking on the &quot;www&quot; icon next to my posts). I'm not sure how much longer it'll be up.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>kazymyr wrote on Fri, 02 August 2002 16:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>You may want to mirror the stuff on my page (BTW, you can access it through the tivocommunity.com forum by clicking on the &quot;www&quot; icon next to my posts). I'm not sure how much longer it'll be up.<br></td></tr></table>
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It is mirrored now at <a href="ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/kazymyr/" target=_new>ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/kazymyr/</a>Just curious, did you have to statically compile in the small __kernel_thread function (it is in an assembly misc.S file) for this to work and link into the TiVo kernel? or did you manage to find a different hack for that (I don't really think there is a different way to do it, given circumstances)?
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Other than that, everything compiled very easily for me.I had started a while ago building a crosscompile environment for 3.0/series2/mips, but got stuck. Looks like building a crosscompiler for mips isn't too easy as a rule of thumb. Binutils were made fine, but gcc-2.8.1 fails. Like I said, for nfs I took the easy way out, just went through the 2.0.1 module with a text editor. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> Anything to save time and gray matter cells. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">. BTW, I'm not a progranner, just a... uhh... advanced Linux user.I had started a while ago building a crosscompile environment for 3.0/series2/mips, but got stuck. Looks like building a crosscompiler for mips isn't too easy as a rule of thumb. Binutils were made fine, but gcc-2.8.1 fails. 
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BTW, in case you were wondering, I got over the &quot;cannot execute mips-tfile&quot; by specifying &quot;--with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ar&quot; when configuring gcc, and replacing mips-tfile.c and mips-tdump.c with dummy files. And you have to make mips-tfile separately. With these, gcc got built, more or less. I got a mostly working compiler, but then I hit a brick wall at libc, and ran out of time.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>kazymyr wrote on Fri, 02 August 2002 19:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>You may want to mirror the stuff on my page (BTW, you can access it through the tivocommunity.com forum by clicking on the &quot;www&quot; icon next to my posts). I'm not sure how much longer it'll be up.<br></td></tr></table>
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Uhh, you may want to take off the pictures, and also libg++ which I was just goofing off with. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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Done.Personally I've been holding off on the mips stuff until someone finds a way in -- need some way of testing it works<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>kazymyr wrote on Fri, 02 August 2002 16:22</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I had started a while ago building a crosscompile environment for 3.0/series2/mips, but got stuck. Looks like building a crosscompiler for mips isn't too easy as a rule of thumb. Binutils were made fine, but gcc-2.8.1 fails.<br></td></tr></table>
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I don't think there is a real reason we'd have to stick with gcc 2.8.1. A newer compiler should work just fine for the cross compilation, especially since there is a newer kernel as well. 
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Notice that TiVo didn't release a separate toolchain file for 3.0. Although it is possible to build the series 1 cross-compiling environment from the old gcc/libc/etc, I'm not convinced they aren't using something newer for the series 2s.
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I may have to get my hands on one to start trying to find a way in...
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Just thought I'd start a quick thread to catalog a few of the functions I've found that will compile file, but fail miserably on runtime (typically an illegal instruction error). These cause a lot of headache for would-be porters, and yet much of the time they are easy to dance around.
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In particular, the getpw*, setpw*, and endpw* series of function behave like this. (Look for getpwnam(), setpwent(), etc) 
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They fail due to TiVo's lack of any kind of authentication. I wish they were just commented out of the glibc code TiVo released. Perhaps it would be an idea to release glibc headers without functions that are known to fail.
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They are easy to get around much of the time, if you look for the structures they populate, and either manually populate them with uid/gid 0, a name, etc, or simply look for the later occurances in code and make the appropriate changes there.
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If I get a chance, I may work on those new glibc headers sometime...If I'm not mistaken, the problems with building a mips crosscompiler persist into later versions of gcc (not sure about the 3.x series though), so going for a newer version won't make it much easier.
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There's another detail I'm more worried about: I have no idea what version of libc is used on the series2. Given that TiVo has modified glibc and is distributing binaries, we can legally just ask them to provide a new set of the GPL'd software. Maybe another thing on my todo...TiVo has posted the kernel and toolchain sources along with the commandset sources where GPL is concerned. I don't see what more you expect to get by asking.
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It might be a good idea to update the system to the latest GNU set but there's limits on how much you can do before you risk compatibility with the versions tivo expects. IE you can't put a 2.4.x kernel on a series1 since we lack the proprietary modules to make the interface work properly.Apparently getservbyname() is also in this category. I presume some of the other domain resolution calls are as well.
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I'm thinking more and more that I want to release a modified header set which removes these function headers.First, you've been duped. This is the forum FAQ, but is not laid out like one. It is more of an introduction and rules list. Regardless...
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Thanks for dropping by. We created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums, and also defined a requirement that all code/programs discussed here must be released under an Open Source license. There may be some exception to this rule in the case of specific code whose source may get the author in legal hot water. These will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
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In short, this forum is designed for academic discussion of code and techniques for embedded software development on the range of TiVo platforms.
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Now for a couple legal things:
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I am not a lawyer, and more specifically, I am not _your_ lawyer. Anything posted here is at your own risk. I do, however, believe heavily in free speech, and am prepared to do what I can to ensure that discussion on this board is unfettered by misinterpretation of copyright law. I encourage code to be posted to the board itself. If and when I get a takedown request, I'll deal with that using advice from my own lawyers.
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Code is an expression, and thus protected by the Constitution of the United States. I'm happy to provide space to host code which was legally independently develeloped, both on this forum and via ftp or a separate site upon request.
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This board is _not_ for posting implementations that move beyond development on a TiVo platform, or with little or no academic value beyond illegal activities. Some things are beyond a fair use or reverse-engineering argument. For instance, posting of keys for obtaining free satellite service serves no purpose other than to avoid payment for service. On the other hand, video extraction talk may be appropriate, limited to the software development aspects. 
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I apologize for spending so much time on the legal aspects, but unfortunately it is necessary in today's world. In short, hack away. TiVo is a great platform to play with.Why not just compile a working libc/glibc ?Compiling a working glibc is always an option. (Although there will still need to be some workarounds for the authentication functions,  I would think.) I guess I just have some pleasure in making apps that work on the stock tivo.
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I was thinking another option would be to create a copy of libc as libctivo.so, or something like that, and linking all hack binaries against that. This way the TiVo stock app would work against its own libc, and hack binaries would work against something totally different. I know this isn't as efficient, memory-wise, but having two copies of libc in memory shouldn't be _that_ bad, and certainly better than what many folks are doing, compiling things fully statically.
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Someone on the avs forum also suggested creating the missing functions in a separate library and just linking that in statically. It should be pretty easy to do, and I might just work on that sometime soon, making a libtivomissing.a file for static inclusion into any cross-compiled binary having trouble.And someone already beat me to it. As pointed out by mbm on irc:
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<a href="http://www.xse.com/leres/tivo/downloads/libtivohack/" target=_new>http://www.xse.com/leres/tivo/downloads/libtivohack/</a>
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libtivohack takes care of about everything that I've seen so far, and was pretty elegantly set up as well.First, you've been duped. This is the forum FAQ, but is not laid out like one. It is more of an introduction and rules list. Regardless...
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<b>Introduction</b>
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Thanks for dropping by. We created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums, and also defined a requirement that all code/programs discussed here must be released under an Open Source license. There may be some exception to this rule in the case of specific code whose source may get the author in legal hot water. These will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
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In short, this forum is designed for academic discussion of code and techniques for embedded software development on the range of TiVo platforms.
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<b>Legal</b>
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I am not a lawyer, and more specifically, I am not _your_ lawyer. Anything posted here is at your own risk. I do, however, believe heavily in free speech, and am prepared to do what I can to ensure that discussion on this board is unfettered by misinterpretation of copyright law. I encourage code to be posted to the board itself. If and when I get a takedown request, I'll deal with that using advice from my own lawyers.
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Code is an expression, and thus protected by the Constitution of the United States. I'm happy to provide space to host code which was legally independently develeloped, both on this forum and via ftp or a separate site upon request.
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This board is _not_ for posting implementations that move beyond development on a TiVo platform, or with little or no academic value beyond illegal activities. Some things are beyond a fair use or reverse-engineering argument. For instance, posting of keys for obtaining free satellite service serves no purpose other than to avoid payment for service. On the other hand, video extraction talk may be appropriate, limited to the software development aspects. 
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<b>Purpose</b>
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The TiVo is a PVR, and this forum is designed to enhance TiVo's use as a PVR, and generally help people to tinker with the thing as geeks are inclined to do.
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First, you've been duped. This is the forum FAQ, but is not laid out like one. It is more of an introduction and rules list. Regardless...
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<b>Introduction</b>
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Thanks for dropping by. We created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums, and also defined a requirement that all code/programs discussed here must be released under an Open Source license. There may be some exception to this rule in the case of specific code whose source may get the author in legal hot water. These will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
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In short, this forum is designed for academic discussion of code and techniques for embedded software development on the range of TiVo platforms.
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<b>Legal</b>
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I am not a lawyer, and more specifically, I am not _your_ lawyer. Anything posted here is at your own risk. I do, however, believe heavily in free speech, and am prepared to do what I can to ensure that discussion on this board is unfettered by misinterpretation of copyright law. I encourage code to be posted to the board itself. If and when I get a takedown request, I'll deal with that using advice from my own lawyers. In general, I'm happy to provide space to host code which was legally independently develeloped, both on this forum and via ftp or a separate site upon request.
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This board is _not_ for posting implementations that move beyond development on a TiVo platform, or with little or no academic value beyond illegal activities. Some things are beyond a fair use or reverse-engineering argument. For instance, posting of keys for obtaining free satellite service serves no purpose other than to avoid payment for service. On the other hand, video extraction talk may be appropriate, limited to the software development aspects. 
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<b>Purpose</b>
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The TiVo is a PVR, and this forum is designed to enhance TiVo's use as a PVR, and generally help people to tinker with the thing as geeks are inclined to do.
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My question about the series 2 stands: does anyone know what version of libc is used on them? I think it's highly improbable that they would change the kernel to 2.4 and still stay at libc-1.99. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">I've moved from FUDforum 2.2.3 -&gt; Fudforum 2.2.5 just now, which took care of a variety of small bugs, as well as made most (all?) of the pages HTML 4.01 transitional compliant.
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Please let me know if you see any strangeness since the ugprade.I've updated my dev environment to include ncurses, mostly because it is needed by so many things, and libtivohack by Craig Leres to replace the glibc functions that normally compile fine, but misbehave upon execution, either by failing to link, or producing illegal instruction errors.
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This should make easy ports more trivial.
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TiVo 2.5 build environment, from TiVo source's and mbm's (samba.org) build scripts, prepared by M. Drew Streib &lt;<a href="mailto:dtype@dtype.org" target="_blank">dtype@dtype.org</a>&gt;
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Programs without autoconf should will mostly just work with their compiler set to /home/tivodev/root/bin/gcc.
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I've included Craig Leres's libtivohack in /home/tivodev/libtivohack/. There are a variety of glibc functions which will compile fine in a dev enviroment, but will fail to link or execute if run on a TiVo. libtivohack takes these functions and allows you to statically link modified versions
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of them into any binaries you create. (You could also do this dynamically, but if you're thinking about this, then you don't need my help.)
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In short, if you get &quot;illegal instruction&quot; errors, or failed links at runtime, include /home/tivodev/libtivohack/libtivohack.a as one of the object files to link on your final link line. Many makefiles include this as LD_FLAGS, or you can manually add it to the list of .o files normally linked.
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tivodev25-dtype now comes with libncurses, just because many programs require it. You can compile ncurses in statically by adding /home/tivodev/root/lib/libncurses.a to your final link line. You can do this dynamically as well, by leaving most things as they are and copying appropriate .so files from /home/tivodev/root/lib/ to a library directory on your TiVo.
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*** PROBLEMS
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Feel free to send me questions, although I'm no cross-compilation expert. Best response is from <a href="http://alt.org/forum/," target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/,</a> under the appropriate post in the Tivo Software Development forum.
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hey.. great place you've got here.. wasn't aware of its existance till now (following link from DD forum)..
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not sure what it was like before, but it doesn't seem to want to browse without the 'S=23913810u391302u32rj2039jr2930rj' parameter in the URL (not using cookies while i clearly have it set to use cookies for browsing threads/posts/etc)?
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not positively sure if that's what that is for in the URL but i assume that's what it is for (a la phpBB2, vBulletin, etc., right?)
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either way.. not a big deal at all.. forum looks good.. Yes, it is a pretty new forum, and except for a small post at one point a few days ago, unannounced except as a link for development software releases.
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As for the urls, I'll look into why the session info shows up in the url in addition to cookies. I'm not sure if it a failsafe, or just a bug. Thanks for joining, and I look forward to much more happy hacking of (and development on) my TiVo.sounds good.. (:
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been administering and using mainly phpBB(2) and vBulletin forums (for a small group of friends, nothing big), so this FUDforum looks a bit new but still similar to the others..
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looks good and i'll be spending lots of time here, it looks like.. I have ncurses-5.2 compiled for TiVo on <a href="http://members.safepages.net/stamasd@seniorglobe.org/" target="_blank">my site</a> as well. This one goes into /usr/local/tivo, the default location for embeem's script. There's an /install/doinst.sh script that creates the necessary symlinks (the package was built on Slackware using installwatch/inst2slack, and that's the way it works).I have ncurses-5.2 compiled for TiVo on <a href="http://members.safepages.net/stamasd@seniorglobe.org/" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a> as well. This one goes into /usr/local/tivo, the default location for embeem's script. There's an /install/doinst.sh script that creates the necessary symlinks (the package was built on Slackware using installwatch/inst2slack, and that's the way it works). BTW the script works for Slackware's installpkg, but it's pretty obvious what it actually does. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">I have ncurses-5.2 compiled for TiVo on <a href="http://members.safepages.net/stamasd@seniorglobe.org/" target="_blank">my site</a> as well. This one goes into /usr/local/tivo, the default location for embeem's script. There's an /install/doinst.sh script that creates the necessary symlinks (the package was built on Slackware using installwatch/inst2slack, and that's the way it works). BTW the script works for Slackware's installpkg, but it's pretty obvious what it actually does. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">Any of you guys had any luck cross-compiling getty/mgetty/login for ppc/tivo?
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I've tried a while ago with no luck.. there wasn't much help available in the one thread at DD where I was posting progress (or lack thereof), so I kind of gave up..
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However, it would be very nice to have, if any of you guys can help get it compiled please?
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See <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12098" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12 098</a> for more info if interested..
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Thanks much and I'd be interested even in just a discussion on this because I really think it'd be nice to have bash work differently (like it's &quot;supposed to&quot;)..
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Let me know what you guys think, please...<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>RUBiK wrote on Wed, 07 August 2002 08:48</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Any of you guys had any luck cross-compiling getty/mgetty/login for ppc/tivo?
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My first attempt at a getty (just tried gettyps from Debian) seems to have worked just fine, but only after removing wtmp support, which isn't a big deal anyway. You appear to have made a getty binary in that other thread. Was there a problem with that one?
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As for login, since you won't be doing any authentication, you'll either need to completely strip the authentication from an existing login program, or just run /bin/bash as the login. (As far as I know that shouldn't affect job control, or am I making a wrong assumption here?) If you're looking for a pretty configurable login program, try 'francine', also available in Debian.
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Works great!  Thank you for saving me from joe and his pals.
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JohnJust announcing my intent to try to make a dev environment with gcc-3.1.1.
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Unfortunately, it turns out that gcc-3.1.1 requires bootstrapping with headers from the target machine, which is tivo. Strike 1.
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Fortunately, we have the tivodev environment already, so we have these headers. Win 1.
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Unfortunately, tivo's version of glibc isn't new enough for gcc-3.1.1 compilation. Strike 2.
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Fortunately, I can just cross compile a new glibc and use those headers. Win 2.
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Unfortunately, the current glibc won't compile with gcc-2.8.1 (the gcc from tivo). Strike 3.
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Fortunately, I can try to build an intermediate version of gcc, use it to build a new version of glibc, which I can then use to build gcc-3.1.1. Win 3.
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I'm still not sure if win 3 is an actual win or just a cruel trick by the gcc and glibc developers on those that care to cross-compile. Either way, they suckered me, and I'm wasting more and more hours on this nonsense.OK, so it turns out tivo's glibc is a little broken. (Gee, big surprise.) So I have to make a new one.
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glibc 2.0.x doesn't support powerpc, and I don't want to make another broken port. glibc 2.2.x requires a newer version of gcc than 2.8.1, so that's out. glibc 2.1.x supports powerpc, and will actually work, except that it exposes a small assembler bug in gcc 2.8.1. If I were actually using this glibc, that would be a problem. As it is, I'm making a quick hack around this bug in order to get a glibc 2.1.x to bootstrap a newer gcc so that I can eventually build gcc 3.1.1.
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This is turning into a very weird video game for geeks. And it isn't even very fun anymore.First, you've been duped. This is the forum FAQ, but is not laid out like one. It is more of an introduction and rules list. Regardless...
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<b>Introduction</b>
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Welcome. We created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums. The focus is on academic discussion of code and techniques as well as documentation of internals, rather than the typical end user issues.
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We firmly believe in sharing information whenever possible, to this extent we require all programs discussed in this forum must be available under an Open source license and no attempt shall be made to obfuscate them. There may be some exception to these rules in the case of specific code whose source may get the author in legal hot water. These will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
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<b>Legal</b>
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I am not a lawyer, and more specifically, I am not _your_ lawyer. Anything posted here is at your own risk. I do, however, believe heavily in free speech, and am prepared to do what I can to ensure that discussion on this board is unfettered by misinterpretation of copyright law. I encourage code to be posted to the board itself. If and when I get a takedown request, I'll deal with that using advice from my own lawyers. In general, I'm happy to provide space to host code which was legally independently develeloped, both on this forum and via ftp or a separate site upon request.
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This board is _not_ for posting implementations that move beyond development on a TiVo platform, or with little or no academic value beyond illegal activities. Some things are beyond a fair use or reverse-engineering argument. For instance, posting of keys for obtaining free satellite service serves no purpose other than to avoid payment for service. On the other hand, video extraction talk may be appropriate, limited to the software development aspects. 
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The TiVo is a PVR, and this forum is designed to enhance TiVo's use as a PVR, and generally help people to tinker with the thing as geeks are inclined to do.
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Just wanted to give you a heads-up. Sounds very much like me playing with setting up a mips crossdevelopment package. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">I'm trying to work out what the structure of an MFS chunk header is.  To do this, I started out looking for the PES headers, but only the audio is correctly packetised.  Now I've got it hunting out where chunk headers coincide with GOP headers and the start of a stream looks like this:
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Found 86 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 cc 78 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 cd 90 00 00 00 00 23 c3 2e 90
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Found 90 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 ce a8 00 00 00 00 47 86 5d 20
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Found 91 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 cf b4 00 00 00 00 6b 49 8b b0
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Found 96 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d0 d0 00 00 00 00 8f 0c ba 40
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Found 81 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d1 d4 00 00 00 00 b2 cf e8 d0
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Found 106 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d3 08 00 00 00 00 d6 93 17 60
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Found 71 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d3 88 00 00 00 00 e4 e1 2a 00
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Found 107 records
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Found 98 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d5 2c 00 00 00 01 1e 19 74 80
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d6 50 00 00 00 01 41 dc a3 10
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Found 91 records
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Found 84 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d7 70 00 00 00 01 65 9f d1 a0
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d8 70 00 00 00 01 89 63 00 30
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Found 86 records
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Found 89 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d9 68 00 00 00 01 ad 26 2e c0
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Found 96 records
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Found 84 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 db 90 00 00 00 01 f4 ac 8b e0
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Found 107 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 cc c4 00 00 00 02 18 6f ba 70
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Found 93 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 cd e8 00 00 00 02 3c 32 e9 00
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Found 97 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 cf 04 00 00 00 02 5f f6 17 90
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Found 98 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d0 24 00 00 00 02 81 56 ed b0
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Found 91 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d1 94 00 00 00 02 ac 41 25 90
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Found 90 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d2 a8 00 00 00 02 d0 04 54 20
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Found 80 records
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dir: 00 00 8c e0 30 00 d3 b8 00 00 00 02 f3 c7 82 b0
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Found 104 records
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Found n records is the start of a new chunk.  As you can see, the length (first 5 nibbles) is the same in each case (as you would expect for the same type of header), the &quot;c&quot; and &quot;30&quot; are also constant for this type of record.  Byte 6 cycles from &quot;cc&quot; to &quot;db&quot; then repeats (some figures are missing) byte 7 I haven't worked out.  The rest could be a timestamp.
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Anyway, I enclose the quick and dirty (read &quot;no comments&quot;) hack which pulls info from chunks.  It's not intended to form the basis of anything I create, just an aid to finding patterns in chunk headers.
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It takes a Tivo 2.5.5 (although it should work with other streams) stream on stdin.  It's of no practical use but for furthering development.nibble 0-4: length - 80800 is 0/not present though.
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Progress on nibble 5 (0-4 are length)
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fheh.. sounds like dtype was very bored.. (:could you please describe the process that you used to create the compilation environment? the reason is that i need a newer version of gcc than 2.8.1 to compile my code (at least 2.95.2). this may also be an interesting addition to the forum &quot;FAQ&quot;, as the very first thing that a developer must do for the tivo is create a compiler...
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unfortunately i have not had much success creating a cross compiler (hosted on an x86-linux) and was hoping that i could use your build process as a model to getting the version set that i want.
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btw, i read on some cross-compiler discussion site that the gcc 3.x compiler series were not very cross-compile friendly, so i would recommend first trying a 2.95 series compiler... and that would just coincidentally be what i am looking for! <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">
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thanks.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>meta-g wrote on Thu, 08 August 2002 09:36</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>could you please describe the process that you used to create the compilation environment? the reason is that i need a newer version of gcc than 2.8.1 to compile my code (at least 2.95.2). this may also be an interesting addition to the forum &quot;FAQ&quot;, as the very first thing that a developer must do for the tivo is create a compiler...<br></td></tr></table>
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My original method used mbm's tivo-build.sh script, found at <a href="http://tivo.samba.org/download/mbm/" target="_blank">http://tivo.samba.org/download/mbm/</a>, but that won't work for newer compilers. 
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I'm still futzing with this one, and will keep this thread posted of results...
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The record length is made up of the first 3 bytes of the record shifted 4 bits so
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When the most signifigant byte is set
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then the record has length 0 with the data encoded in the remainder of the length bits.
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The lower nibble of the 3rd byte makes up a subtype field documented by the post above and the 4th byte is the record type.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dtype wrote on Fri, 02 August 2002 15:30</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>In the interest of getting more people started on cross-compilation for TiVo, I've put together a complete cross-compilation environment for TiVo, ready to go. It was compiled on Debian 3.0 (woody), but should work on any reasonably recent Linux distribution.
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<a href="ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/tivodev-2.5_dtype1.tar.bz2" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/tivodev-2.5_dtype1.tar.bz2</a>
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FYI, wrong URL up there...
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Should be <a href="ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/tivodev/tivodev-2.5_linux-x86_dtype1.tar.bz2" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/tivodev/tivodev-2.5_linux-x86_dty pe1.tar.bz2</a> (I just ftp-ed in to check)
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Thanks... compiling everything (all cross-compiler stuff) on my own cause I enjoy doing it, but it should be identical to yours (except I use Mandrake and not Debian for now).. I've done it a couple times before, so it should go alright.. (:Heads up
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You can find dtype, myself and several other developer types hanging out  in #tivo on irc.openprojects.net. If you like this forum you should definately give the IRC channel a try.
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&lt;/plug&gt;I've installed both the version 1 and 2 distributions you sent out. I created a hello world application, and then ran it like this:
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I get this error output:
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/home/tivodev/root/powerpc-TiVo-linux/bin/ld: error while loading shared libraries: /home/tivodev/root/powerpc-TiVo-linux/bin/ld: symbol fnmatch, version GLIBC_2.2.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
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I don't have a libc.so.6 in /home/tivodev, but I do have one at /lib/libc.so.6, and it looks like the compiler is picking up this one.
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Any ideas? I'm running RedHat 7.1 <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>UltraMagic wrote on Sat, 10 August 2002 08:19</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I don't have a libc.so.6 in /home/tivodev, but I do have one at /lib/libc.so.6, and it looks like the compiler is picking up this one.
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Yep, the compiler's target is a TiVo, but it still runs from local libraries for its own use. I compiled this against a fairly recent version of glibc (2.2.3 apparently. 2.2.5 is the _most_ recent.) I see from browsing RedHat's FTP site that they are using 2.2.2 in Red Hat Linux 7.1.
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The easiest thing for _me_ is if you could make at Red Hat Linux upgrade (version 7.3 is current), or if not that, at least an upgrade of glibc (you should have no problem independently upgrading just the glibc* rpms). If this isn't a possibility for you, I can also create a version of the tivodev environment which is statically linked.
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If you're so inclined, also check out the tivo-build script from mbm at <a href="http://tivo.samba.org/download/mbm/" target="_blank">http://tivo.samba.org/download/mbm/</a>, which is what got me started on building this dev environment anyway.Yes, you are exactly correct. I installed this on a machine with Mandrake 8.2 and it worked perfectly.
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Thanks for doing this for us. I tried to compile the toolchain, and it always failed on gcc. Something about &quot;__const&quot;. It's nice to have the binaries ready to use.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>UltraMagic wrote on Sat, 10 August 2002 11:10</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Thanks for doing this for us. I tried to compile the toolchain, and it always failed on gcc. Something about &quot;__const&quot;. It's nice to have the binaries ready to use.<br></td></tr></table>
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Yep, on many (most? all?) versions of glibc there is an inconsistency in a couple of declared functions where the return value should be a const, and so should the function itself. (const char * const function VS char * function, or something like that.)
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It isn't that hard to change, but unless you're used to this sort of thing, it is something that might easily trip you up. Anyway, happy to help.Any of you guys had any luck cross-compiling getty/mgetty/login for ppc/tivo?
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I've tried a while ago with no luck.. there wasn't much help available in the one thread at DD where I was posting progress (or lack thereof), so I kind of gave up..
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However, it would be very nice to have, if any of you guys can help get it compiled please?
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See <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12098" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a> for more info if interested..
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Thanks much and I'd be interested even in just a discussion on this because I really think it'd be nice to have bash work differently (like it's &quot;supposed to&quot;)..
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Let me know what you guys think, please...Any of you guys had any luck cross-compiling getty/mgetty/login for ppc/tivo?
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I've tried a while ago with no luck.. there wasn't much help available in the one thread at DD where I was posting progress (or lack thereof), so I kind of gave up..
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However, it would be very nice to have, if any of you guys can help get it compiled please?
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See <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12098" target="_blank">here</a> for more info if interested..
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Thanks much and I'd be interested even in just a discussion on this because I really think it'd be nice to have bash work differently (like it's &quot;supposed to&quot;)..
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Let me know what you guys think, please...Attaching dynamically linked <i>agetty</i> binary (only requires libc.so, which everyone should already have in /lib from factory).
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1) Get <i>agetty.gz</i> from here and uncompress.  Move to <i>/sbin/agetty</i> or just <i>/bin/agetty</i>.  Don't forget to &quot;<i>chmod 755 /sbin/agetty</i>&quot;.
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2) Edit <i>/etc/inittab</i> and add the following line:
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3) Due to the fact that agetty looks for <i>/bin/login</i> and respawns it and since the login I compiled was a bit funky due to lack of PAM and/or any authentication on the TiVo, I had to improvise and use a &quot;fake&quot; login program.  Edit/create <i>/bin/login</i> containing something like:
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From now on, you can use fg/bg, ctrl-z, ctrl-c, ctrl-d, etc. for job control.  Logging out of the shell leaves you at a &quot;(none) login:&quot; prompt (none = no host name defined but doesn't matter) from which you can log in as 'root' or whatever.
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Process-wise, there are two shells running (do a &quot;<i>ps fax</i>&quot;) for obvious reasons but it's a small price to pay in order to have FULL job control, IMO.
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Also, if doing this, one may want to discontinue starting bash from within <i>/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit</i> as it's now redundant.
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Hope this is useful to anyone out there.  It is to me. (:If your only goal is getting job control enabled again it's much simpler than that -
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The only trick is that you can't background the task so it's best to put it at the end of rc.sysinit where it doesn't matter.
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(note that this really only applies to bash on the serial port, job control works fine with telnet)Attaching dynamically linked <i>agetty</i> binary (only requires libc.so, which everyone should already have in /lib from factory).
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1) Get <i>agetty.gz</i> from here and uncompress.  Move to <i>/sbin/agetty</i> or just <i>/bin/agetty</i>.  Don't forget to &quot;<i>chmod 755 /sbin/agetty</i>&quot;.
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3) Due to the fact that agetty looks for <i>/bin/login</i> and respawns it and since the login I compiled was a bit funky due to lack of PAM and/or any authentication on the TiVo, I had to improvise and use a &quot;fake&quot; login program.  Edit/create <i>/bin/login</i> containing something like:
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exec /bin/bash</pre>(Someone can maybe help make this &quot;prettier&quot; here?  This was suggested/discovered by Torg, so credit goes to him here.)
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Don't forget to &quot;<i>chmod 755 /bin/login</i>&quot; as well.
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4) Type &quot;<i>kill -s HUP 1</i>&quot; to HUP the init process and have it reload <i>/etc/inittab</i>.
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From now on, you can use fg/bg, ctrl-z, ctrl-c, ctrl-d, etc. for job control.  Logging out of the shell leaves you at a &quot;(none) login:&quot; prompt (none = no host name defined but doesn't matter) from which you can log in as 'root' or whatever.
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Process-wise, there are two shells running (do a &quot;<i>ps fax</i>&quot;) for obvious reasons but it's a small price to pay in order to have FULL job control, IMO.  
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<font color="darkblue">EDIT: Above bash-spawning-bash problem fixed by using 'exec' in the fake login program above (thanks to embeem!)</font>
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Also, if doing this, one may want to discontinue starting bash from within <i>/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit</i> as it's now redundant.
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Hope this is useful to anyone out there.  It is to me. (:The normal course of an upgrade is to format the alternate partition, mount it on /install and then unpack a new system onto it and finally change the boot order to boot that drive. The most obvious problem with that is that any changes made to the root partition are lost in the process, well, not actually lost but nolonger active. This can be a pain in the ass for anyone who does alot of tivo hacking and has a full set additional applications since you don't really want to move it over each time the system upgrades which in the case of a beta can be up to once a week.
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In the past the solution has always been to store the hacks in /var/hack/bin or some such nonsense since the var partition is persistant and writable. This is a good idea but it has shortcomings. Overfill /var and the tivo will just nuke it and recreate the partition, plus you're still stuck with having to redo the bash prompt every upgrade. Sure you can boot the old partition and move things over, but that's work and let's face it programmers are excessively lazy.
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So, we can't store to the root partition and we can't depend on /var .. whatever shall we do? Let's make our own partition .. it can be arbitrarily large and there's not really much threat of it being destroyed. But how do we pull it off?
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The Setup:
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Create a new partition, boot it, from there do a chroot to boot the normal system. With the chroot in place the tivo will hardly even know the difference and will be unable to touch it.
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Pulling it off:
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The first step of the process is creating a new partition, I won't bore everyone with the details of how to do that since it should be trivial. Aside from that you'll have to copy over the /bin, /lib and /etc directories to the point where the partition is bootable.
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Since the partition we're chrooting into won't be a constant we need some way of knowing which parition is currently active. Luckily the upgrader affords us a few luxuries, instead of just changing the root= in the boot arguments it does a search and replace, /dev/hda4 -&gt; /dev/hda7 and vice versa leaving the rest of the boot arguments completely alone. The upshot of this?
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root=/dev/hda12 REAL_ROOT=/dev/hda4
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Assume we have the above boot arguments, hda12 is our newly created partition. When an upgrade occurs all that will happen is that the installer will change the hda4 to hda7 and we end up with this:
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root=/dev/hda12 REAL_ROOT=/dev/hda7
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perfect!
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So apart from the normal stuff our layout is going to be something like this:
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/tivo :: place where we mount the real partition
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/tvbin -&gt; /tivo/tvbin :: symlink
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/tmp -&gt; /tivo/var/tmp :: symlink
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The reason we share the tmp partition is because the tivosh expects to find files there. You can symlink /tvlib but given that all the tcl scripts use $TIVO_ROOT, you shouldn't have to -- better just to shoot the 3rd parties that write their scripts wrong.
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Now we just need a few more things ...
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rc.sysinit:
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<pre>
#!/bin/bash
# Tivo's tcl scripts expect TIVO_ROOT to be pointed
# at / with all paths are relative to TIVO_ROOT
# this'll come in handy later

export TIVO_ROOT=/tivo
export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/hack/bin:$PATH
export PATH=$PATH:$TIVO_ROOT/bin:$TIVO_ROOT/tvbin:$TIVO_ROOT/sbin:$ TIVO_ROOT/devbin

e2fsck -p $root
mount -o remount,rw /
mount none /proc -t proc
cat /proc/mounts &gt;/etc/mtab

# we'll setup a way in here so we can get outside the chroot

# tivonet:
# insmod -f 8390 &amp;&amp; insmod -f tivone
# turbonet:
insmod -f ax88796

ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.60 up
ifconfig lo up
tnlited 23 /bin/bash --login

#now the chroot:
mount $REAL_ROOT $TIVO_ROOT -o ro
cd $TIVO_ROOT

unset $REAL_ROOT

mv /logs/tivo /logs/tivo.old
chroot $TIVO_ROOT /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit &amp;&gt; /logs/tivo 

# note the lack of &amp; on the above line, we'll wait
# here for the real partition to boot

# since we intend on running tcl scripts outside the chroot
# we need to setup the environment .. TIVO_ROOT is already set
# so the tcl scripts should have no trouble finding things
# we still need to set a few others though

export TIVO_REMOTE=TIVO
export MFS_DEVICE=/dev/hda10

export SerialNumber=`crypto -gsn`
export PROMVERSION=`getprom -version`

case `getprom -videoconfig` in
  0|1|2|3|4|5|6) export TV_STD=NTSC;;
  7)             export TV_STD=PAL;;
esac

# before we start tivoweb we need to make sure
# myworld is loaded .. this should do that
/tvbin/switcherstart -w

# from here you can start what you like

#/tivoweb-tcl/tivoweb
</pre>
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and /etc/profile:
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[code]
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#!/bin/sh
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alias ls='ls --color -F'
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alias lsmod='cat /proc/modules'
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alias which='type -path'
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alias more='less'
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alias reset='echo -ne &quot;\033c&quot; &amp;&amp; stty sane'
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alias clear='echo -ne &quot;\33[H\33[2J&quot;'
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export PS1=&quot;\h:\w\$ &quot;
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export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/hack/bin:$PATH
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export PATH=$PATH:$TIVO_ROOT/bin:$TIVO_ROOT/tvbin:$TIVO_ROOT/sbin:$ TIVO_ROOT/devbin
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export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/hack/lib
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export HOME=/root
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export HISTFILE=$HOME/.bash_history
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export TIVO_REMOTE=TIVO
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export TMK_DEBUGGER=sleep
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export MFS_DEVICE=/dev/hda10
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# export SerialNumber=crypto -gsn
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export TERM=xterm
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export COLUMNS=80
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export LINES=24
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setpri fifo 1 $PPID
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setpri fifo 1 $$
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[/code]
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notes:
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Try to avoid making any changes to the $REAL_ROOT parition as they'll be lost, be creative and load your hacks from your rc.sysinit. Tcl and other tivo specific hacks should be loadad after 'switcherstart -w' to assure everything is running. Use 'cp -a' to copy /dev to your new partition. ok, few more notes after my discussions with faye on irc
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tystreams are broken into 0x20000 byte chunks. In the past, extraction programs have skipped over the first chunk as garbage but that's clearly not the case.
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<pre>
00000000  f5 46 7a bd 00 00 00 02  00 02 00 00 00 01 75 04
00000010  00 00 00 08 00 00 00 08  3b 9a ca 00 00 00 00 68
00000020  00 00 03 37 7c c6 9c 78  25 49 92 a4 24 49 92 92
00000030  00 00 03 3a 2a e6 e1 0e  24 49 52 92 94 24 49 49
00000040  00 00 03 3c af 43 97 0a  92 94 24 49 92 92 24 49
00000050  00 00 03 3f 3f 8f 14 74  92 94 24 49 49 92 24 49
00000060  00 00 03 41 cf da 66 77  52 92 24 49 49 92 24 25
00000070  00 00 03 44 60 25 e3 e1  49 92 24 25 49 52 02 00
00000080  00 00 03 46 5b 48 cf d3  24 29 49 92 24 49 92 a4
00000090  00 00 02 a4 d8 b9 04 65  24 49 92 24 a9 24 49 2a
</pre>
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The above hexdump is the last fsid used by the recording.
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Of interest:
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0x1c-0x1f: 0x00000068 length of record data
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0x20-0x87: record data 16 bytes wide, of that:
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- 0x00-0x07: timestamp?
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- 0x08-0x10: bitmap'd GOP pointers
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0x88-0x9f: old data
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If you look at the first column of data (first 8 bytes after offset) you can see an obviously increasing value going at a constant rate of around 0x2ae2044906 until at 0x90 it suddenly jumps back. The key thing here is that the tivo never initalizes the tystream data to 0's so what we're seeing is actually old data. If we go back and look at the length we get 0x68, add the starting offset to that and you can clearly see the data ends at 0x88.
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<br />
As for the timestamp, that's something we haven't completely figured out yet. The last valid timestamp field in the above is '00 00 03 46 5b 48 cf d3' which in itself is somewhat meaningless. If you take only the first five bytes into account you end up with 0x000003465b now, assume a 60hz tick and you end up with 59.616389 minutes... did I mention this was from an hour long recording?
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To correct the above:
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- 0x00-0x04: 60hz timestamp
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- 0x05-0x07: ?
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- 0x08-0x10: bitmap'd GOP pointers
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<br />
On dealdatabase we have had a long discussion about how it may be possible to insert streams into MFS without the use of ele2pestriple, (this thread: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=15688&amp;perpage=15&amp;pagenumber=1" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=15688&amp;perpage=15&amp;pagenumber=1</a> ) but I want to move that conversation here as we can more easily get attention from a more knowledgable crowd, and its also been brought to my attention that this will benefit some other projects here that are already underway. Thus far we haven't been able to pull it off, though we have developed some interesting theories. (Bear in mind that I am not very experienced in this area, so I can't easily impliment any of this, other than what we have done in tivosh.)
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First we basicaly re-discovered what I am sure many of you already know. Through tivosh, you can create all of the different file types that MFS can hadle, and at any size that you want (tyfile, tydb, tydir, and most importantly, tystream). We can insert anything into a tyfile in MFS, and through various tests, we know that extraction of anything is flawless, as is insertion into regular tyfiles (the md5sum signatures of inserted then extracted files always match). As expected, tyStreams are different; creating a tystream works fine with 'mfs streamfill', but inserting into a blank tystream is a problem. 'mfs putpart' will not put anything into a tystream file type, nor will any other known tivoapp command that you can invoke through tivosh. So now we have to move beyond tivosh.
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<br />
I have developed 2 theories about what we can do. The first being that we can import a tystream as a tyfile, then simply modify the i-node to change the file type from type 1 (for tyfile) to type 2 (for tystream). This method may *possibly* have some limitations and/or problems (namely, mfs allocate uses the app portion of MFS, which is smaller than the media portion).
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<br />
TivoDvlpr has given this response (among a few others, see the origional thread for the rest):
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<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
Anyway, it would seem that if we can find the sector that actually contains the inode, we could use mfs_poke to make the change and test our little 1 vs. 2 filetype theory.
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Now the bad news, I spend a couple hours the other night (when I posted that confusing message) trying to find the sector in which the inode is located. I started with the sector value that mfs_info gave, and continued for quite a ways using mfs_dump to look at the data. I never found the inode entry (the values did not line up).
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<br />
Now either I was too tired and wasn't thinking straight, or I'm missing something in tridge's code.
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<br />
So that's where I'm at on trying to change the type from a 1 to a 2, which personally I believe will get us there. I looked through tridge's code to see if different file types are handled differently, and they are not. The code to export a tyFile vs a tyStream is the same, so there is not difference in how it is stored. So if we can create a tyFile, convert ti to a tyStream, I think we'll get there.
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<br />
SO SOMEBODY HELP ME FIND THE SECTOR WHICH CONTAINS THE INODE!!!!!
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<br />
According to tridge's code, the inode sector should start with the fsid for the file.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
He has since then posted a source code to apply this which hasn't been tested yet (setting up a coss compiler isn't exactly an instantaneous task, and its only been a few hours or so).
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<br />
The second theory I came up with is what I posted earlier:
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<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
mfs streamfill creates a blank tystream in MFS of any size we specify (which could be the exact size of a stream we want to import), and fills in the inode with all of the information that is necessary about the geography of where that stream is physicaly located on the disk (assuming an inode is what I think it is).
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<br />
Now we have a big empty space set aside on the hard disk that we can write anything to without compromising the integrity of the filesystem. You could, I am guessing, parse the inode to find out exactly where you can safely put the source tystreams contents.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
TivoDvlpr gave this response:
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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Yes, I think that would be the next thing to try. It looks like I could easily convert the mfs_fsid_pread routine written by tridge to be an mfs_fsid_pwrite routine. Then we just have to write a main routine for a program we would probably call mfs_import, which would accept an fsid and a filename. Also perhaps an mfs_intract which would accept the data from stdin (allowing it to be sent via tivoweb possibly?)
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<br />
If we can't get the inode change thing to work properly, we'll go after that next.
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<br />
I've just got to get my cross-compiler working.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
That pretty much sums things up. You should read the origional thread for more details if any of this doesn't sound concrete. Hopefuly we can get somewhere with this.
<br />
Interesting but I can't help thinking it's too simplistic an approach to actually work. The changes are pretty simple -- I'd give it a try but I'm in no hurry to perform an MFS restore.How about this, since the script I put out earlier uses 'mfs streamfill' which zeros out everything first, couldn't you add some sort of checking to make sure that the data being overwritten  doesn't already contain something for debuging purposes? This way we could minimize the chance of ruining the filesystem, and increase the chance that should anything fail, tivo can recover itself. I have nothing but time for the few days, I'll be glad to do the testing.How about this, since the script I put out earlier uses 'mfs streamfill' which zeros out everything first, couldn't you add some sort of checking to make sure that the data being overwritten  doesn't already contain something for debuging purposes? This way we could minimize the chance of ruining the filesystem, and increase the chance that should anything fail, tivo can recover itself. I have nothing but time for a few days, I'll be glad to do the testing.I have 2 tivo's running 2.5 on the workbench, one with a tivonet. I have a pile of 40~50 gig hd's with unmarried 2.5 configs as well as backed up 2.0 images. I have a secondary multiple personality PII-400 100bt'd to the athlon, which is on a cable modem right now.  
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<br />
I can linux boot the PII, restore an image, and shove it in a DTivo with a locked prom in just a few mins.  
<br />

<br />
if you've got anything potentially destructive throw it this way 'n I'll try it out.  
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<br />
One of the PII's personalities has a slackware 8.1 zipslack (minimal) install with a tivo cross compiler working.  
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<br />
--
<br />
RileyAlphawolf
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<br />
on my box 
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<br />
mfs streamcreate and mfs streamfill are creating .tyfiles not .tystreams 
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<br />
mfs putpart is working fine, IF called from mfslib.tcl with an edited ToMfs 
<br />

<br />
called from anywhere else, even mfs allocate errors out 
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<br />
I have verified the info that putpart is writing is correct by mfs_export'ing the file and playing it on the pc 
<br />

<br />
you can create a .tystream, I can mfs putpart into one.... yeesh 
<br />

<br />
can you post a dirt simple script to create a .tystream? phooiey on the now showing entry, I've got that workin fine. every option I've tried, whether I write anything into it or not results in a .tyfile 
<br />
(as reported by mfs_info) 
<br />

<br />
-- 
<br />
Riley 
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<br />
Alphawolf, you're running 3.0 right?  on a DTivo or SA?
<br />

<br />
on my 2.5 Dtivo box 
<br />

<br />
mfs streamcreate and mfs streamfill are creating .tyfiles not .tystreams 
<br />

<br />
mfs putpart is working fine, IF called from mfslib.tcl with an edited ToMfs 
<br />

<br />
called from anywhere else, even mfs allocate errors out 
<br />

<br />
I have verified the info that putpart is writing is correct by mfs_export'ing the file and playing it on the pc 
<br />

<br />
you can create a .tystream, I can mfs putpart into one.... yeesh 
<br />

<br />
can you post a dirt simple script to create a .tystream? phooiey on the now showing entry, I've got that workin fine. every option I've tried, whether I write anything into it or not results in a .tyfile 
<br />
(as reported by mfs_info) 
<br />

<br />
-- 
<br />
Riley 
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<br />
<pre>set fsid [mfs streamfill 131072 8]</pre>
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<br />
Use that in lieu of your ToMfs line to create a blank 1 meg tystream file in MFS. (or if not in lieu, make sure its at least inside of a transaction)
<br />

<br />
come see us on irc.openprojects.net #tivo, most of the discussion is going on in there.
<br />
<pre>set fsid [mfs streamfill 131072 8]</pre>
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<br />
Use that in lieu of your ToMfs line to create a blank 1 meg tystream file in MFS. (or if not in lieu, make sure its at least inside of a transaction)
<br />

<br />
come see us on irc.openprojects.net #tivo, most of the discussion is going on in there, and mbm needs testers.I have 2 tivo's running 2.5 on the workbench, one with a tivonet. I have a pile of 40~50 gig hd's with unmarried 2.5 configs as well as backed up 2.0 images. I have a secondary machine multiple personality PII-400 100bt'd to the athlon, which is on a cable modem right now.  
<br />

<br />
I can linux boot the PII, restore an image, and shove it in a DTivo with a locked prom in just a few mins.  
<br />

<br />
if you've got anything potentially destructive throw it this way 'n I'll try it out.  
<br />

<br />
One of the PII's personalities has a slackware 8.1 zipslack (minimal) install with a tivo cross compiler working.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyWelp, just to keep the board informed of what conspired on IRC, we tested the changing of the type 1 to 2 theory, and it failed. Tivo at least attempts to play back the file instead of erroring out, but it ends up crashing and rebooting instead.
<br />

<br />
Looks like all hope is relieing on theory #2 for now.
<br />
It's been a long time since I posted an article on this and last night I confirmed a suspicion so it's about time I documented it <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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<br />
The bitmap in the stream master chunk (good name?) *is* a bitmap which maps the chunks which contain MPEG Sequence headers (these precede the GOP by several bytes and contain the current encoding matrix being used as well as information about resolution, bitrate, framerate, aspect ratio etc.  They have made it easy on themselves by putting the bits in lsb-&gt;msb order rather than msb-&gt;lsb.  The bytes being treated as a simple unsigned char bitmap[8];
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<br />
They're pretty pointless if you are watching the program in time sequence since all the data is necessary and you just stream it on through.
<br />

<br />
If you want to implement RTSP though these are going to be vital to allow you to seek within the stream to a particular part of the program and then commence streaming from that point.
<br />

<br />
Imagine in MediaPlayer just being able to place the bar at the point in the program you want to start at and go.
<br />

<br />
The timestamps aren't completely unknown but 60Hz clock doesn't make sense for MPEG.  I think what we must do is take the entire timestamp and use appropriate divisors to create the clock that is required at the time.  Most MPEG applications want a 90KHz clock and I think that a 90KHz clock with 60Hz resolution would induce jitter in the program - particularly if you're in a region not using a 60Hz video signal.
<br />

<br />
This is probably one of those things that we'll only learn by doing though.So you wanna be a developer huh?
<br />

<br />
Well, this is the place for it. We've already got some threads going about some pretty advanced topics but don't let that stop you from starting up your own threads. Anything of interest to developers is fair game; this probably isn't the place to run a beta test for your upcoming program though.After having given up for a couple weeks on some very frustrating attempts, the release of gcc 3.2 has prodded me into making another run at a newer gcc cross compilation environment.
<br />

<br />
Basically, since a gcc this new won't compile against the tivo glibc headers, I'm going to again try to bootstrap it against the glibc compiled headers/libraries from Debian PPC, still setting the target for powerpc-TiVo-linux (which shouldn't be any different from any powerpc-*-linux). Of course, I'll update the board with results, hopefully with a new tivodev environment with a compiler newer than 2.8.1.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Fri, 16 August 2002 00:39</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Welp, just to keep the board informed of what conspired on IRC, we tested the changing of the type 1 to 2 theory, and it failed. Tivo at least attempts to play back the file instead of erroring out, but it ends up crashing and rebooting instead.
<br />

<br />
Looks like all hope is relieing on theory #2 for now.
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Hopefully my cross compiler will be up and I will show some progress on this tonight...stay tuned!
<br />
Posting a few notes incase someone is looking for ideas to play with.
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<br />
---
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<br />
The tivo seems to do inter process communication through the use of shared memory in addition to the event switcher. In early versions the shared memory was done by way of mmap()'ing a file stored in temp but these days they use shm segments.
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<br />
When you startup tivosh it'll create a private pool which can be referenced as pool0. For the most part you can use it just like any other file descriptor but there's a few pool specific tivosh commands:
<br />

<br />
usage: pool allocate [-force {-name &lt;POOLNAME&gt;} {-size &lt;SIZEINBYTES&gt;}]
<br />
usage: pool attach &lt;POOLNAME&gt;
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; address
<br />
usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; size
<br />
usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; dump
<br />
usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; registery &lt;ITEMNO&gt;
<br />
usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; info
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<br />
They're pretty self explainitory, you can do things like &quot;gets pool0 string&quot; and &quot;close pool0&quot; just to mess with tivosh. You can also allocate new pools and dump various obscure statistics on the pools. The only one I really can't make much sense out of is the registery command; nomatter what &lt;ITEMNO&gt; I give it I just get a 'not such item' error.
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<br />
As for the 'pool attach' command, that'll look in /tmp for &lt;POOLNAME&gt;.mpkey which contains a 12 byte description of the shm segment to be used:
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<br />
void * address (4 bytes)
<br />
int size (4 bytes)
<br />
int key (4 bytes)
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<br />
I should note at this point that not all pools create a mpkey, most pools are private. The only pools I've ever noticed in /tmp are Osd, TvFont, fsmem and mom.
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<br />
....
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<br />

<br />
Objectives:
<br />
Understand the purpose of the mempools and design an interface from C
<br />

<br />
Well, designing an interface from C isn't very hard:
<br />
<pre>
#include &lt;stdio.h&gt;
#include &lt;fcntl.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/ipc.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/shm.h&gt;
#include &lt;errno.h&gt;

unsigned buf[3];

int main(int argc, char **argv) {
        int fd;
        struct shmid_ds shm;

        if (argc&lt;2) exit(0);
        fd = open(argv[1],O_RDONLY);
        read(fd,buf,12);
        close(fd);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;ADDRESS: %08x\n&quot;,buf[0]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;   SIZE: %08x\n&quot;,buf[1]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;    KEY: %08x\n&quot;,buf[2]);
        
        fd = shmget(buf[2],0,0);
        shmctl(fd, IPC_STAT, &amp;shm);
        shmat(fd, (void *)buf[0], 0);
        {
                int x;
                char *c=(char *)buf[0];
                char d;
                for (x=0;x&lt;buf[1];x++)
                {
                      if (x%4==0) printf(&quot; &quot;);
                      if (x%(4*8)==0) printf(&quot;\n&quot;);
                      printf(&quot;%02x&quot;,*(c++));
                }
                printf(&quot;\n&quot;);
                
        }
        shmdt((void *)buf[0]);
}
</pre>
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I haven't yet figured out the format or purpose though. The original thought was that memory addresses were being shared by event switcher to send data which would not otherwise fit into an event however inital experiments in that direction haven't come up with anything.Ok after some tests we have found that theory #2 works. We have had initial success in importing 2 tystreams into tivo, and they play back fine. The concept is proven. More to come...Ok after some tests we have found that theory #2 works. We have had initial success in importing 2 tystreams into tivo, and they play back fine. The concept is proven. More to come...
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EDIT: tivodvlpr, contact me...Ok after some tests we have found that theory #2 works. We have had initial success in importing 3 tystreams into tivo, and they play back fine. The concept is proven.
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Now theres an issue with this, we can't explain exactly how we imported the streams, only we can conform that the theory I provided above works as stated without a doubt. All we need now is developers who can build code to impliment this.
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So lets get started.
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Ok after some tests we have found that theory #2 works. We have had initial success in importing 3 tystreams into tivo, and they play back fine. The concept is proven.
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Now theres an issue with this, we can't explain exactly how we imported the streams, only we can conform that the theory I provided above works as stated without a doubt. All we need now is developers who can build code to impliment this.
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So lets get started.
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EDIT: Heres some additional info I should make clear:
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Some tystream extraction programs probably wont work for this, so don't test their extracted streams with your code. The reason why is because they trash the first header under the assumption that its just garbage. Its not, tivo uses that to determine some information about the stream, e.g. how long it is, ect. Use tridges classic mfs_export, found here: <a href="http://www.samba.org/ftp/unpacked/tivo/vplay/" target="_blank">http://www.samba.org/ftp/unpacked/tivo/vplay/</a>
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On dealdatabase we have had a long discussion about how it may be possible to insert streams into MFS without the use of ele2pestriple, (this thread: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=15688&amp;perpage=15&amp;pagenumber=1" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a> ) but I want to move that conversation here as we can more easily get attention from a more knowledgable crowd, and its also been brought to my attention that this will benefit some other projects here that are already underway. Thus far we haven't been able to pull it off, though we have developed some interesting theories. (Bear in mind that I am not very experienced in this area, so I can't easily impliment any of this, other than what we have done in tivosh.)
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First we basicaly re-discovered what I am sure many of you already know. Through tivosh, you can create all of the different file types that MFS can hadle, and at any size that you want (tyfile, tydb, tydir, and most importantly, tystream). We can insert anything into a tyfile in MFS, and through various tests, we know that extraction of anything is flawless, as is insertion into regular tyfiles (the md5sum signatures of inserted then extracted files always match). As expected, tyStreams are different; creating a tystream works fine with 'mfs streamfill', but inserting into a blank tystream is a problem. 'mfs putpart' will not put anything into a tystream file type, nor will any other known tivoapp command that you can invoke through tivosh. So now we have to move beyond tivosh.
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I have developed 2 theories about what we can do. The first (edit: doesn't work, tivo crashes when it tries to play the stream) being that we can import a tystream as a tyfile, then simply modify the i-node to change the file type from type 1 (for tyfile) to type 2 (for tystream). This method may *possibly* have some limitations and/or problems (namely, mfs allocate uses the app portion of MFS, which is smaller than the media portion).
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TivoDvlpr has given this response (among a few others, see the origional thread for the rest):
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Anyway, it would seem that if we can find the sector that actually contains the inode, we could use mfs_poke to make the change and test our little 1 vs. 2 filetype theory.
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Now the bad news, I spend a couple hours the other night (when I posted that confusing message) trying to find the sector in which the inode is located. I started with the sector value that mfs_info gave, and continued for quite a ways using mfs_dump to look at the data. I never found the inode entry (the values did not line up).
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Now either I was too tired and wasn't thinking straight, or I'm missing something in tridge's code.
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So that's where I'm at on trying to change the type from a 1 to a 2, which personally I believe will get us there. I looked through tridge's code to see if different file types are handled differently, and they are not. The code to export a tyFile vs a tyStream is the same, so there is not difference in how it is stored. So if we can create a tyFile, convert ti to a tyStream, I think we'll get there.
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SO SOMEBODY HELP ME FIND THE SECTOR WHICH CONTAINS THE INODE!!!!!
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According to tridge's code, the inode sector should start with the fsid for the file.
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He has since then posted a source code to apply this which hasn't been tested yet (setting up a coss compiler isn't exactly an instantaneous task, and its only been a few hours or so).
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The second theory I came up with is what I posted earlier:
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mfs streamfill creates a blank tystream in MFS of any size we specify (which could be the exact size of a stream we want to import), and fills in the inode with all of the information that is necessary about the geography of where that stream is physicaly located on the disk (assuming an inode is what I think it is).
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Now we have a big empty space set aside on the hard disk that we can write anything to without compromising the integrity of the filesystem. You could, I am guessing, parse the inode to find out exactly where you can safely put the source tystreams contents.
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TivoDvlpr gave this response:
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Yes, I think that would be the next thing to try. It looks like I could easily convert the mfs_fsid_pread routine written by tridge to be an mfs_fsid_pwrite routine. Then we just have to write a main routine for a program we would probably call mfs_import, which would accept an fsid and a filename. Also perhaps an mfs_intract which would accept the data from stdin (allowing it to be sent via tivoweb possibly?)
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If we can't get the inode change thing to work properly, we'll go after that next.
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I've just got to get my cross-compiler working.
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That pretty much sums things up. You should read the origional thread for more details if any of this doesn't sound concrete. Hopefuly we can get somewhere with this.
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On dealdatabase we have had a long discussion about how it may be possible to insert streams into MFS without the use of ele2pestriple, (this thread: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=15688&amp;perpage=15&amp;pagenumber=1" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a> ) but I want to move that conversation here as we can more easily get attention from a more knowledgable crowd, and its also been brought to my attention that this will benefit some other projects here that are already underway. Thus far we haven't been able to pull it off, though we have developed some interesting theories. (Bear in mind that I am not very experienced in this area, so I can't easily impliment any of this, other than what we have done in tivosh.)
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First we basicaly re-discovered what I am sure many of you already know. Through tivosh, you can create all of the different file types that MFS can hadle, and at any size that you want (tyfile, tydb, tydir, and most importantly, tystream). We can insert anything into a tyfile in MFS, and through various tests, we know that extraction of anything is flawless, as is insertion into regular tyfiles (the md5sum signatures of inserted then extracted files always match). As expected, tyStreams are different; creating a tystream works fine with 'mfs streamfill', but inserting into a blank tystream is a problem. 'mfs putpart' will not put anything into a tystream file type, nor will any other known tivoapp command that you can invoke through tivosh. So now we have to move beyond tivosh.
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I have developed 2 theories about what we can do. The first <font color="red">(edit: doesn't work, tivo crashes when it tries to play the stream)</font> being that we can import a tystream as a tyfile, then simply modify the i-node to change the file type from type 1 (for tyfile) to type 2 (for tystream). This method may *possibly* have some limitations and/or problems (namely, mfs allocate uses the app portion of MFS, which is smaller than the media portion).
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TivoDvlpr has given this response (among a few others, see the origional thread for the rest):
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Anyway, it would seem that if we can find the sector that actually contains the inode, we could use mfs_poke to make the change and test our little 1 vs. 2 filetype theory.
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Now the bad news, I spend a couple hours the other night (when I posted that confusing message) trying to find the sector in which the inode is located. I started with the sector value that mfs_info gave, and continued for quite a ways using mfs_dump to look at the data. I never found the inode entry (the values did not line up).
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Now either I was too tired and wasn't thinking straight, or I'm missing something in tridge's code.
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So that's where I'm at on trying to change the type from a 1 to a 2, which personally I believe will get us there. I looked through tridge's code to see if different file types are handled differently, and they are not. The code to export a tyFile vs a tyStream is the same, so there is not difference in how it is stored. So if we can create a tyFile, convert ti to a tyStream, I think we'll get there.
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SO SOMEBODY HELP ME FIND THE SECTOR WHICH CONTAINS THE INODE!!!!!
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According to tridge's code, the inode sector should start with the fsid for the file.
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He has since then posted a source code to apply this which hasn't been tested yet (setting up a coss compiler isn't exactly an instantaneous task, and its only been a few hours or so).
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The second theory I came up with is what I posted earlier:
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mfs streamfill creates a blank tystream in MFS of any size we specify (which could be the exact size of a stream we want to import), and fills in the inode with all of the information that is necessary about the geography of where that stream is physicaly located on the disk (assuming an inode is what I think it is).
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Now we have a big empty space set aside on the hard disk that we can write anything to without compromising the integrity of the filesystem. You could, I am guessing, parse the inode to find out exactly where you can safely put the source tystreams contents.
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TivoDvlpr gave this response:
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Yes, I think that would be the next thing to try. It looks like I could easily convert the mfs_fsid_pread routine written by tridge to be an mfs_fsid_pwrite routine. Then we just have to write a main routine for a program we would probably call mfs_import, which would accept an fsid and a filename. Also perhaps an mfs_intract which would accept the data from stdin (allowing it to be sent via tivoweb possibly?)
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If we can't get the inode change thing to work properly, we'll go after that next.
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I've just got to get my cross-compiler working.
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That pretty much sums things up. You should read the origional thread for more details if any of this doesn't sound concrete. Hopefuly we can get somewhere with this.
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<pre>set fsid [mfs streamfill 131072 8]</pre>
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Use that in lieu of your ToMfs line to create a blank 1 meg tystream file in MFS. (or if not in lieu, make sure its at least inside of a transaction)
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   I am hoping this forum is open to technical discussion of the STi55xx chip.  I am _NOT_ offering up what everyone else seem to be looking for, my pursuit is for other reasons, so please don't ask.  I may be able to help on understanding some technical aspects of the ST20 processor, but realize that I only started in on the processor 3 months ago, so I am by no stretch of the imagination close to an expert.  FYI, I am not a hardware guru, more of a windows device driver developer.  Hopefully, there are others that can help w/ discussions and questions.  I've been lurking for a very long time, not posting until very recently, and we'll see if you'll let me stay. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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   As I get further into the firmware, interesting items come to my attention.  I have found several bugs, but am still only at the initial stage of understanding.  My recent development pursuit has been writing an emulator to enable me to develop and test locally, to aid development without the need for hardware.
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   To aid others who are trying to reverse-engineer the firmware, I am attaching an IDA (Interactive Disassembler) command file (.IDC) I wrote, that will, with somewhat limited intuity, process a firmware load file and prepare it for use.  There is, I hope, ample documentation in the source, and this is meant for a &quot;jumping off&quot; place to start, you will still need to fix up the source (as with any disasm project), but this helps quite a bit.  IDA is great at documenting disassemblies.
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   Call this a &quot;tool&quot;...
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Here is a conceptual proof of a bug in the firmware.  This occurs right after the firmware load.  The bug, I'm sure, is innocuous, but was the first one I found.  I am only offering it up to start the discussions, show the importance of understanding, and peer review. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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As I am sure anyone else who has been through the firmware has noticed the inefficiencies/problems of the &quot;optimizing&quot; c compiler that ST has.  I ponder whether this firmware is just added on from ST's reference design, and how much NDS/Tivo added?
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Anyway, here is the listing (I couldn't get the listing to look right embedding it here, so I have attached the .html.  Sorry for the inconvenience).
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As I understand it, the ST20 is one of the chips used in decoding the DTV streams. As such, I'm curious as to what you have in mind for it. The fact you specifically avoid addressing that and say not to ask makes the whole thing somewhat suspect.
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I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt here but I'll need some clear explaination of what you're doing and why.   No I specifically mentioned that _because_ that is all anyone seems to be after.  The omega chip controls more, it is the entry vector for all stream data, video, audio, apg, etc.  Now until the firmware and communication over i2c and other means, is fully understood, do we know, for instance, that one chip cannot mux a pip stream into the other, and have this be the stream that is sent out making its way eventually to the cs22 mpg output chip (the omega chip is _much_ more powerful and feature rich than the cs22)?  Sounds intriguing, but doable?  I don't know.  But in order to find out, I have chosen to look at what the firmware does.  How about not worrying about pulling tystreams off the drive, but have them go directly out somewhere to be saved off, once again, possible?  I am after vap (value added process) development.
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   I am sure you have noticed that the firmware still has debug test code in it?  Ever wanted to play around with it?  It might be possible to write a virtual driver that maps into the test region and would allow i2c communication with the chip as if a test device was connected.  This is type of stuff I have done before.
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   I deal with hardware and chips, not tcl scripts and higher level applications (just not my forte), so what is there for me to play with that few have ventured, and I can possibly make an impact, but with firmware.  I initially went after the ppc bios firmware, but as you already know, once the details are understood, not much ground for fertile exploration.  Not too exciting...
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   At any rate, just looking for a more technical exploration of all hardware.  I will continue to lurk in peace...
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- psytonWhile there may be a valid case for disassembling the ST20, without any definate goals I can't see where documentation of this will have any positive benefits for the _TiVo_ development community.
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Thread closed.Heads up
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You can find dtype, myself and several other developer types hanging out  in #tivo on irc.openprojects.net. If you like this forum you should definately give the IRC channel a try.
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UPDATE: Due to <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/17/2147232" target="_blank">recent events</a> we're considering moving irc networks, please see the attached poll.Again software upgrade, this time to 2.3.0rc2. This was specifically to fix a bug in the voting code. Please let me know if you notice any forum problems.A quick explaination of the above poll:
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I don't use IRC:
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- If you've never been on the IRC channel and don't figure you ever willOk, I've got some code based on tridge's stuff that I think might work.  But now I'm having problems with the streamfill created tystreams getting removed before I can fill them.
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I'll run the mfs streamfill routine, then follow it with an exec for mfs_import (my new program), and it reports the it can't find the fsid.  Same happens if I exec mfs_info instead of mine, so its not just me (as far as I can tell anyway).
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I remember something about those files getting deleted automatically if not linked to mfs or something. 
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Anybody know?
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do it as a 2 step process
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first create the empty stream file the size of the data file you're going to transfer in and immediatly link it into now showing
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by calling an external program before the fsid is linked into nowshowing, it sees you as having left the transaction (as near as I can tell) anything in the retry transaction after that point may have problems as well
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I don't know how long it will be before the mfs path linked fsid is deleted in garbage collection, but on my 2.5 system I've seen them live through more than an hour and a reboot
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RileyI know this is going to sound like a dumb question...
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can anybody tell me what &quot;mfs put&quot; &quot;mfs ref&quot; and &quot;mfs deref&quot; do?
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I thought I had a clue, but somehow I managed to nuke my prom using &quot;mfs put&quot; 
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Riley This script will create a blank tystream at the size of the file you specify, make a nowshowing object, and output the FSID. All that remains to do is put the actual tystream in the void.
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usage: createstream.tcl &lt;filename.ty&gt; &lt;stream-duration-in-minutes&gt;
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This script will create a blank tystream at the size of the file you specify, make a nowshowing object, and output the FSID. All that remains to do is put the actual tystream in the void. Compatible with all 2.x and 3.x tivos.
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usage: createstream.tcl &lt;filename.ty&gt; &lt;stream-duration-in-minutes&gt;
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Sun, 18 August 2002 12:31</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>This script will create a blank tystream at the size of the file you specify, make a nowshowing object, and output the FSID. All that remains to do is put the actual tystream in the void. Compatible with all 2.x and 3.x tivos.
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usage: createstream.tcl &lt;filename.ty&gt; &lt;stream-duration-in-minutes&gt;
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Nice, a little user hostile, but nice  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> 
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Success!!
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I have successfully created a program that will replace a streams data from file, and it played, so we're pretty much there.
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Its not ready for prime-time just yet.
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Interesting find though, I had to strip the first 16 bytes from the file produced by &quot;mfs_stream&quot;.  These first 16 bytes had the text &quot;Priority Set...\n&quot;.  Could this be something in tridge's code?  I searched his code and couldn't find this text, but maybe a library or something?  Does anybody else know about this?  I see a lot of people saying the first bytes are trash in streams.  I stripped out the first 16 bytes, ran my routine, then re-extracted and it added those 16 bytes.
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not as easy to use as tytool (unless it's configured through tivoweb) but it does byte for byte rips and the source code is available
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RileyYeah I wouldn't use mfs_stream. During our initial testing, we didn't have to strip anything from the file, and it worked fine.
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Get the classic mfs_export, it works like this:
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Yeah I wouldn't use mfs_stream. During our initial testing, we didn't have to strip anything from the file, and it worked fine.
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Get the classic mfs_export, it works like this:
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Edpuffedmonster made a version of mfs_export that would handle multiple FSIDs at once (and put them into one file), and I think it was byte for byte, but one of the moderators deleted it from dealdatabase. Reguardless though, we will have to be able to split that big long tystream into its individual parts again to properly insert it into MFS, which shouldn't be too hard to do (nor will assigning each part to its own FSID with the TCL script).
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Yeah I wouldn't use mfs_stream. During our initial testing, we didn't have to strip anything from the file, and it worked fine.
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Get the classic mfs_export, it works like this:
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Edpuffedmonster made a version of mfs_export that would handle multiple FSIDs at once (and put them into one file), and I think it was byte for byte, but one of the moderators deleted it from dealdatabase. Reguardless though, we will have to be able to split that big long tystream into its individual parts again to properly insert it into MFS, which shouldn't be too hard to do (nor will assigning each part to its own FSID with the TCL script).
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You know, if somebody wants to spend time on it, we could actualy build our own convention to the tystream where we add tags for the title, description, genra, duration, ect. to the big tyfile after its extracted, that way you can easily re-import the stream exactly as it was when it was exported.Yeah I wouldn't use mfs_stream. During our initial testing, we didn't have to strip anything from the file, and it worked fine.
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Edpuffedmonster made a version of mfs_export that would handle multiple FSIDs at once (and put them into one file), and I think it was byte for byte, but one of the moderators deleted it from dealdatabase. Reguardless though, we will have to be able to split that big long tystream into its individual parts again to properly insert it into MFS, which shouldn't be too hard to do (nor will assigning each part to its own FSID with the TCL script).
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You know, if somebody wants to spend time on it, we could actualy build our own convention to the tystream where we add tags for the title, description, genra, duration, ect. to the end of the big combined tystream after its extracted, that way you can easily re-import the stream exactly as it was when it was exported.Yeah I wouldn't use mfs_stream. During our initial testing, we didn't have to strip anything from the file, and it worked fine.
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EDIT:
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Edpuffedmonster made a version of mfs_export that would handle multiple FSIDs at once (and put them into one file), and I think it was byte for byte, but one of the moderators deleted it from dealdatabase. Reguardless though, we will have to be able to split that big long tystream into its individual parts again to properly insert it into MFS, which shouldn't be too hard to do (nor will assigning each part to its own FSID with the TCL script).
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You know, if somebody wants to spend time on it, we could actualy build our own convention to the exported tystream where we add tags for the title, description, genra, duration, ect. to the end of the big combined tystream after its extracted, that way you can easily re-import the stream exactly as it was when it was exported.Looked at the diff between mfs_export and mfs_stream, only difference is that mfs_export allows a partial extraction and it dumps it to a file, not stdout.  I believe this is the problem, something else is dumping &quot;Priority Set...\n&quot; to stdout during the extraction in mfs_streams.
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I'll use mfs_export instead, but others may want to be made aware of this apparent problem in mfs_stream, are others struggling with this garbage at the beginning of the stream?
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In fact, vsplit dumps the first chunk, as it &quot;generally contains garbage&quot;, maybe this is why?
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Do others know about this already, or should I post a message?
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Is there a CVS for TIVO open source?
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Mon, 19 August 2002 15:10</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Is there a CVS for TIVO open source?
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If you're referring to the TiVo official releases of their GPL'd software, then no.As per discussion in IRC, and help from AlphaWolf, my next release (probably soon) will include a couple of environment variables as default in the crontab:
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MFS_DEVICE=&quot;/dev/hda10&quot;
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TIVO_ROOT=&quot;&quot;
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If you're running any tcl scripts, you likely need to stick these two environment variables in the crontab, or load them otherwise. Thanks to AlphaWolf for troubleshooting these.No, I'm referring to things like tridge's code, etc.
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Does anyone know why the TIVO breaks the stream into 4096 chunks?  Is this a hard limit?  Will make the import code a trifle more difficult if we have to deal with that limit.
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512 meg is more or less a half hour's worth of video.  Setting the fsid upper size limit on a nice power of 2 boundry ~ equal to 1/2 hr ~ is usefull for preventing file system fragmentation, reducing disk thrashing, and simplifying the mfs storage allocation algorithms.  
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--
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Riley
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Mon, 19 August 2002 21:11</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>No, I'm referring to things like tridge's code, etc.
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Most of that is at <a href="http://tivo.samba.org/download/" target="_blank">http://tivo.samba.org/download/</a><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dtype wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 07:31</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Mon, 19 August 2002 21:11</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>No, I'm referring to things like tridge's code, etc.
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Most of that is at <a href="http://tivo.samba.org/download/" target="_blank">http://tivo.samba.org/download/</a><br></td></tr></table>
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I understand that, but I was wondering if there was a CVS server, like sourceforge that would allow me (and others) to make changes and post them.
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I guess there isn't.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 06:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>512 meg is more or less a half hour's worth of video.  Setting the fsid upper size limit on a nice power of 2 boundry ~ equal to 1/2 hr ~ is usefull for preventing file system fragmentation, reducing disk thrashing, and simplifying the mfs storage allocation algorithms.  
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Riley
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Yes, but I'm wondering if we have to obey that limit, requires us to make multiple parts for ty streams &gt; 512Mb.  I was able to create give streamfill a higher number and it didn't squawk, but I haven't tried to fill one of that size yet, I've got to get samba working first.
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The only change between this and the last one is the addition of MFS_DEVICE and TIVO_ROOT environment variables as per AlphaWolf's troubleshooting of tcl scripts. As is, this should now run tcl scripts without the need for ugly dotfile hacks as discussed earlier on DD forums.The only change between this and the last one is the addition of MFS_DEVICE and TIVO_ROOT environment variables as per AlphaWolf's troubleshooting of tcl scripts. As is, this should now run tcl scripts without the need for ugly dotfile hacks as discussed earlier on DD forums.The only change between this and the last one is the addition of MFS_DEVICE and TIVO_ROOT environment variables as per AlphaWolf's troubleshooting of tcl scripts. As is, this should now run tcl scripts without the need for ugly dotfile hacks as discussed earlier on DD forums.
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This can also be downloaded at <a href="ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/dtype/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.alt.org/pub/tivo/dtype/</a>I'd stick with 512 as an upper limit until we have a better understanding.  
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the trifle of additional complexity may save headaches later, or just stick to &lt; 512 meg inserts until things are workin well.  
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if you're inserting across samba, definatly stick to small test files.  the tivo samba module is pretty flaky (in my exp).  if a large transfer crashes you won't know if it was your code or not.  nfs works much better and there's a windows nfs server at
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<a href="http://support.jgaa.com/index.php?cmd=DownloadVersion&amp;ID=13" target="_blank">http://support.jgaa.com/index.php?cmd=DownloadVersion&amp;ID =13</a>
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that seems to work pretty well
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I fried a newly C&amp;D'd mfs creating &gt; 1 gig files inserted from a 5 gig var partiton.  properly sliced and diced though, dvd's play pretty well. kinda moot point - but they don't extract again worth a darn
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Riley
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just my $0.02...<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 07:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 06:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>512 meg is more or less a half hour's worth of video.  Setting the fsid upper size limit on a nice power of 2 boundry ~ equal to 1/2 hr ~ is usefull for preventing file system fragmentation, reducing disk thrashing, and simplifying the mfs storage allocation algorithms.  
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--
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Riley
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Yes, but I'm wondering if we have to obey that limit, requires us to make multiple parts for ty streams &gt; 512Mb.  I was able to create give streamfill a higher number and it didn't squawk, but I haven't tried to fill one of that size yet, I've got to get samba working first.
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Just for the sake of following tivos spec, we should stay within the 4096 chunk barrier to avoid potential problems down the line. It will not be a problem at all to build a TCL script that can create multiple parts and assign them to one recording.
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Heres my quickly thought up plan on what we can do as a grand insertion scheme: 
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First a tystream parser identifies all of the parts inside of a combined tystream, as well as the size of those parts, (embeem pointed out to me that the string 0xf5467abd starts a tystream header, which is the beginning of the part) and then passes the size of each part, as well as information about the recording (title, description, etc) into a TCL script.
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Next the TCL script creates the recording and allocates space for each part, gets the FSIDs, then returns the FSIDs to its host process, which then reads from the source tystream file to fill em in.
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That all can be done in a matter of time, but first we need to verify that when we insert these streams, we aren't dammaging anything in MFS.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 07:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 06:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>512 meg is more or less a half hour's worth of video.  Setting the fsid upper size limit on a nice power of 2 boundry ~ equal to 1/2 hr ~ is usefull for preventing file system fragmentation, reducing disk thrashing, and simplifying the mfs storage allocation algorithms.  
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--
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Riley
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Yes, but I'm wondering if we have to obey that limit, requires us to make multiple parts for ty streams &gt; 512Mb.  I was able to create give streamfill a higher number and it didn't squawk, but I haven't tried to fill one of that size yet, I've got to get samba working first.
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Just for the sake of following tivos spec, we should stay within the 4096 chunk barrier to avoid potential problems down the line. It will not be a problem at all to build a TCL script that can create multiple parts and assign them to one recording.
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Heres my quickly thought up plan on what we can do as a grand insertion scheme: 
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<br />
First a tystream parser identifies all of the parts inside of a combined tystream, as well as the size of those parts, (embeem pointed out to me that the string 0xf5467abd starts a tystream header, which is the beginning of the part) and then passes the size of each part, as well as information about the recording (title, description, etc) into a TCL script.
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Next the TCL script creates the recording and allocates space for each part, gets the FSIDs, then returns the FSIDs to its host process, which then reads from the source tystream file to fill em in.
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That all can be done in a matter of time, but first we need to verify that when we insert these streams, we aren't dammaging anything in MFS. Once we do that its all easy from there.
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Quick question:
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Has anyone ever published specifications on the database slice files that TiVo sends to SA tivos during their daily phone calls? This is the way scheduling is passed to the TiVo. If you don't know what I'm talking about, ignore this question. Otherwise, anyone got a definite yes or no (and links if applicable) to documentation of this data?I'm looking to improve my <a href="http://pug.qqx.org/tivo/history.itcl" target="_blank">Recording History module</a> for tivoweb to display multiple conflicts when necessary.  I only have SA units myself, so I can't research this myself.
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On SA units, the necessary information is in the ConflictsWithRecording field of recording objects where CancelReason = 20.  I suspect that dual tuner units would have the information somewhere similar and the output from dumpobj on one of these objects would probably show me what I need to know.
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An easy way to find an appropriate recording object would be to use the above mentioned module.  A &quot;Conflict&quot; link in the last column of a listing will have a relevant object ID as the last part of the link URL.As per recent IRC discussion, I'm going to continue work on some of the gpl'd extraction/tystream/muxing/mpeg code out there. This post is a placeholder for this development.TheDoctor published some information that seems useful on DD that I'll go ahead and mirror here for quick reference. If there are any objections, let me know.
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From this thread: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=15595" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=15595</a>
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor </i>
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<b>I don't have any streams from 2.5 dtivo, so they made have made format changes.  There is no such thing as a 'tivo timestamp'.  The time stamps on audio and video packets are standard mpeg time stamps.  The audio time stamp in the dtivo is left shifted a few bytes from the standard position which confuses many software based players, If you search old posts, I posted details of what 5 bytes needed to be added back to the header to make it a standard mpeg header.  I am not stripping or generating any timestamps, only reformatting those already there, and removing garbage data. </b><br></td></tr></table>
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor </i>
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<b>Audio packets have to be shifted because they 'drift' in the stream.  Look at them in the displaystream program.  The packet must start with 0 0 c0.  the data before that in the record belongs to the last audio packet.
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I leave the video in a transport stream, I did try reording to program stream, but did not like the results. </b><br></td></tr></table>
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From this thread: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=14690" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=14690</a>
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor </i>
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<b>I believe that the 16 byte header mentioned is from the SA version.  Made up of 00 00 01 C0 header and time stamp ending in ff ff or fe ff.  It appears as a seperate record in the ty stream.  
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On the Dtivo version the header is shorter and mixed into the steam data instead of being a seperate record.  I think it's 11 or 12 bytes bytes, (it skips the closing padding and priority info.)  The starting position of the header moves in the dtivo steam, but should be within the first 5 bytes of the record, the previous bytes really belong to the last audio record. </b><br></td></tr></table>
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I'll post more like that from others as I come across it.
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AlphaWolf pointed out this thread in irc, which I post here for reference:
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=1902" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=1902</a>I have taken a lot from the TiVo hacker community in the process of working on my research, here is a token repayment.
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Here is a sample concurrent tcp data server written in tcl that will export data from your tivo.
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Currently it is set up to export context change events and remote events.  It also has a heartbeat set up (because it helps us - in theory it isn't needed).  In the comments are some lines indicating how to export output from a seperate program (which I also do with a seperate server and it works fine)
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I am open to feedback or suggestions, I do not however have time to be &quot;your&quot; developer.  There are obvious extenstions e.g. one that reads standard in for input allowing any program to be piped in instead of hardcoding one in, and accepting a port number from the command like etc.  (don't hold your breath waiting for me to make them, but feel free to do it yourself)
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I guess that's all that's needed for this post (the proof's in the pudding - or the comments rather - yes I DO comment)
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for those impatient types:
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usage:
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tivosh &lt;filename&gt;.tcl
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connect with any tcp socket to port 2002 (I think)
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eg. nc tivo 2002
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and then press some buttons on your remote etc.
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to shutdown send the string
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&quot;shutdown server\n&quot;
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I wouldn't do ANYTHING else in the shell you run this from (including try to background the program) until you send the shutdown string... you have been warned.
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(if you can fix whatever quirk this is, I would be greatful for the answer)
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ok enough already here is the code
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it is also provided on the InfoLab webpage, under my name.
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-KevinFor those who wish to play with what I have, here is a beta.
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I've included the source, this must be compiled along with tridge's stuff, it uses his routines.
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I've tested it on small streams, and it worked like a champ.
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I've also re-booted the tivo if I fast-forward past its current insertion point.
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Also, the percentages are not printing properly.
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Needs testing on larger streams, and we'll have to do the stream-breakup stuff.
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tcl script is essentially the same as createstream posted by Alphawolf, but made slightly more user friendly  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> and it calls my executable at the end.
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Heres my quickly thought up plan on what we can do as a grand insertion scheme: 
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<br />
First a tystream parser identifies all of the parts inside of a combined tystream, as well as the size of those parts, (embeem pointed out to me that the string 0xf5467abd starts a tystream header, which is the beginning of the part) and then passes the size of each part, as well as information about the recording (title, description, etc) into a TCL script.
<br />

<br />
Next the TCL script creates the recording and allocates space for each part, gets the FSIDs, then returns the FSIDs to its host process, which then reads from the source tystream file to fill em in.
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That all can be done in a matter of time, but first we need to verify that when we insert these streams, we aren't dammaging anything in MFS. Once we do that its all easy from there.
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[/quote]
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If we write the software to do the extraction, we can add a header to the file to identify all of the information, including parts, title, duration, etc. 
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Of course, that would make it incompatible with previously extracted streams...
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Perhaps a new extension?  Just to make sure to to get them confused.  And we could support the old as well using the above.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 22:47</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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If we write the software to do the extraction, we can add a header to the file to identify all of the information, including parts, title, duration, etc. 
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Of course, that would make it incompatible with previously extracted streams...
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Perhaps a new extension?  Just to make sure to to get them confused.  And we could support the old as well using the above.
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I think that is a good idea, the current extraction software is bad anyways. I say as a rule of thumb, the extraction software that extracts a tystream should be able to have its output put directly back into a tivo exactly as it was found. Since we are the first to put stuff back onto a tivo, and more information is known at this time about tystreams, we should define a new good solid standard. All of the remuxing software should just parse our file format and scratch what it doesn't need, rather than vice versa.
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What does everybody else think?
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BTW, 2 names come to mind for a new extention:
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.AOS for Alt-dot-Org Stream
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.TS for Tivo Stream
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(maybe .DTS for DirecTivoStream if they turn out incompatible with one another)
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 22:47</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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If we write the software to do the extraction, we can add a header to the file to identify all of the information, including parts, title, duration, etc. 
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Of course, that would make it incompatible with previously extracted streams...
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<br />
Perhaps a new extension?  Just to make sure to to get them confused.  And we could support the old as well using the above.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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I think that is a good idea, the current extraction software is bad anyways. I say as a rule of thumb, the extraction software that extracts a tystream should be able to have its output put directly back into a tivo exactly as it was found. Since we are the first to put stuff back onto a tivo, and more information is known at this time about tystreams, we should define a new good solid standard. All of the remuxing software should just parse our file format and scratch what it doesn't need, rather than vice versa.
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What does everybody else think?
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BTW, 2 names come to mind for a new extention:
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.AOSC for Alt-dot-Org Stream Convention
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.TS for Tivo Stream
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(maybe .DTS for DirecTivoStream if they turn out incompatible with one another)
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 22:47</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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If we write the software to do the extraction, we can add a header to the file to identify all of the information, including parts, title, duration, etc. 
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Of course, that would make it incompatible with previously extracted streams...
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Perhaps a new extension?  Just to make sure to to get them confused.  And we could support the old as well using the above.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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I think that is a good idea, the current extraction software is bad anyways. I say as a rule of thumb, the extraction software that extracts a tystream should be able to have its output put directly back into a tivo exactly as it was found. Since we are the first to put stuff back onto a tivo, and more information is known at this time about tystreams, we should define a new good solid standard. All of the remuxing software should just parse our file format and scratch what it doesn't need, rather than vice versa.
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<br />
What does everybody else think?
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<br />
BTW, 2 names come to mind for a new extention:
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.AOSC for Alt-dot-Org Stream Convention
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.TS for Tivo Stream (maybe .DTS for DirecTivoStream if they turn out incompatible with one another)
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how about a companion text file?  same name, txt extension.  
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anybody can catalog / edit the info for their backed up tystreams with a plain old text editor.  then all those streams ripped and archived over the last 6 months + can be re-inserted easily with info.
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simple, flexible
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needs to have: 
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tivo 2.5 nowshowing database info
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# mfs_insert basic record type tivo25ns
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# now showing info from a 2.5 system
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contains the records from nowshowing on a 2.5 box
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# mfs_insert basic record type tivo25ns end
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tivo 3.X  nowshowing database info
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# mfs_insert optional record type tivo30ns
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# now showing info from a 3.0 system
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contains the new records that 2.5 doesn't support
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# mfs_insert optional record type tivo30ns end
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a syntax for declaring previously unknown data types
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like
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# mfs_insert extended record type ccinfo
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# closed captioning info
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yada yada yada whatever
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blah blah blah
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# mfs_insert extended record type ccinfo end
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# mfs_insert extended record type csinfo
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# commercial skip points
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ss1b 0:00:17 # show segment 1 begins, 17 seconds of commercial precedes show
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ss1e 0:07:21 # show segment 1 ends
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cs1b 0:03:36 # commercial segment 1 begins 
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cs1e 0:07:22 # commercial segment 1 ends 
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ss2b 0:00:17 # show segment 2 begins
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etc...
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# mfs_insert extended record type csinfo end
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# mfs_insert extended record type tysedit
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# cut points to pass to an extract / convert util
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yada yada yada whatever
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blah blah blah
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# mfs_insert extended record type tysedit end
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# mfs_insert extended record type streamspecs
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# mpeg info usefull for transcoding / conversion
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stream type dtv transport stream OR
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stream type standalone recording 
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stream data rate average 490k/sec
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etc...
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# mfs_insert extended record type streamspecs end
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the specifics aren't important but you get the idea
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how about a companion text file?  same name, txt extension.  
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anybody can catalog / edit the info for their backed up tystreams with a plain old text editor.  then all those streams ripped and archived over the last 6 months + can be re-inserted easily with info.
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simple, flexible
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needs to have: 
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tivo 2.5 nowshowing database info
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# mfs_insert basic record type tivo25ns
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# now showing info from a 2.5 system
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contains the records from nowshowing on a 2.5 box
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# mfs_insert basic record type tivo25ns end
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tivo 3.X  nowshowing database info
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# mfs_insert optional record type tivo30ns
<br />
# now showing info from a 3.0 system
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contains the new records that 2.5 doesn't support
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# mfs_insert optional record type tivo30ns end
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a syntax for declaring previously unknown data types
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like
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<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type ccinfo
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# closed captioning info
<br />
yada yada yada whatever
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blah blah blah
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# mfs_insert extended record type ccinfo end
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# mfs_insert extended record type csinfo
<br />
# commercial skip points
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ss1b 0:00:17 # show segment 1 begins, 17 seconds of commercial precedes show
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ss1e 0:03:36 # show segment 1 ends
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cs1b 0:03:37 # commercial segment 1 begins 
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cs1e 0:07:22 # commercial segment 1 ends 
<br />
ss2b 0:07:23 # show segment 2 begins
<br />
etc...
<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type csinfo end
<br />

<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type tysedit
<br />
# cut points to pass to an extract / convert util
<br />
yada yada yada whatever
<br />
blah blah blah
<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type tysedit end
<br />

<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type streamspecs
<br />
# mpeg info usefull for transcoding / conversion
<br />
stream type dtv transport stream OR
<br />
stream type standalone recording 
<br />
stream data rate average 490k/sec
<br />
etc...
<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type streamspecs end
<br />

<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type streamseglinks
<br />
# this fsid was part X of X in the tivo originally
<br />
orig fsid stream position 2
<br />
total fsids in stream 4
<br />
fsid linked from &quot;Babylon 5 midnight on the firint line.s1&quot;
<br />
fsid linked to next &quot;Babylon 5 midnight on the firint line.s3&quot;
<br />
fsid complete yes OR
<br />
fsid complete no 
<br />
fsid split reason stream archived to cd, continues on next disk
<br />
# mfs_insert extended record type streamseglinks end
<br />

<br />

<br />
the specifics aren't important but you get the idea
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Riley
<br />
TivoDvlpr:
<br />

<br />
insert stream is working great.  I've inserted close to 5 gig that was in a tivo var partition, and a couple hundred meg across nfs using war's windows nfs server under 98se.  
<br />

<br />
also discovered that the Zenith ZN530 universal learning remote ($15 at best buy) has Tivo &amp; DTivo codes in it.
<br />

<br />
it's been a pretty good day  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
<br />

<br />
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<br />
RileyWell, the best source I've found is the file called slicedump.pl (which I had to make modifications to for some of the newer fields).<br />
<br />
Another good location is the tivoguide project.<br />
<br />
Sounds like I need to put up a twiki project on this.<br />
For the work I'm doing in extraction/archiving could we follow the replay model?  The replay uses 3 files.<br />
<br />
The NDX file contains the GOP markers and commercial information.<br />
<br />
The RGD file contains the Guide information.<br />
<br />
The MPG file contains the video/audio.<br />
<br />
If we use this model, it will make using a really cool tool like DVArchive a lot easier.  More information about DVArchive can be found at <a href="http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net</a><br />
<br />
I've already got a good start on the integration of a Tivo into DVArchive.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 01:48</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>how about a companion text file?  same name, txt extension.  
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
That would be fine, but only problem I see with that is it would kinda be like a bin/cue thing with cd images. If you lose the txt file, you lose vital information about that stream. I think its better just to keep one file that holds all of the information necessary. The muxing programs can just skip X # of bytes to ignore our header, or we could put it at the end of the file where the current extraction programs will more than likely just discard it anyways as being garbage.
<br />

<br />
For flexabilities sake, I wouldn't be concerned, as since we are documenting our changes, the authors of the muxing software can easily compensate for our new fixed standard.
<br />

<br />
Hell I dunno, I am not the one writing the software here, so its up to the rest of you.
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 01:48</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>how about a companion text file?  same name, txt extension.  
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
That would be fine, but the only problem I see with that is it would kinda be like a bin/cue thing with cd images. If you lose the txt file, you lose vital information about that stream. I think its better just to keep one file that holds all of the information necessary. The muxing programs can just skip X # of bytes to ignore our header, or we could put it at the end of the file where the current extraction programs will more than likely just discard it anyways as being garbage.
<br />

<br />
For flexabilities sake, I wouldn't be concerned, as since we are documenting our changes, the authors of the muxing software can easily compensate for our new fixed standard.
<br />

<br />
Hell I dunno, I am not the one writing the software here, so its up to the rest of you.
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 01:48</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>how about a companion text file?  same name, txt extension.  
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
That would be fine, but the only problem I see with that is it would kinda be like a bin/cue thing with cd images. If you lose the txt file, you lose vital information about that stream. I think its better just to keep one file that holds all of the information necessary. The muxing programs can just skip X # of bytes to ignore our header, or we could put it at the end of the file where the current extraction programs will more than likely just discard it anyways as being garbage.
<br />

<br />
For flexabilities sake, I wouldn't be concerned, as since we are documenting our changes, the authors of the muxing software can easily compensate for our new fixed standard.
<br />

<br />
Hell I dunno, I am not the one writing the software here, so its up to the rest of you.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 08:36</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>For the work I'm doing in extraction/archiving could we follow the replay model?  The replay uses 3 files.
<br />

<br />
The NDX file contains the GOP markers and commercial information.
<br />

<br />
The RGD file contains the Guide information.
<br />

<br />
The MPG file contains the video/audio.
<br />

<br />
If we use this model, it will make using a really cool tool like DVArchive a lot easier.  More information about DVArchive can be found at <a href="http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net</a>
<br />

<br />
I've already got a good start on the integration of a Tivo into DVArchive.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Unfortunately tivo kinda keeps all of that information scattered throughout the tystream, and we have yet to sort it out, so we can't do that. At a later date I see somebody possibly writing software to convert it to your spec though.
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 01:48</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>how about a companion text file?  same name, txt extension.  
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
That would be fine, but the only problem I see with that is it would kinda be like a bin/cue thing with cd images. If you lose the txt file, you lose vital information about that stream. I think its better just to keep one file that holds all of the information necessary. The muxing programs can just skip X # of bytes to ignore our header, or we could put it at the end of the file where the current extraction programs will more than likely just discard it anyways as being garbage.
<br />

<br />
For flexabilities sake, I wouldn't be concerned, as since we are documenting our changes, the authors of the muxing software can easily compensate for our new fixed standard. (and so far there are only 2 muxers that I know of anyways)
<br />

<br />
Hell I dunno, I am not the one writing the software here, so its up to the rest of you.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 08:36</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>For the work I'm doing in extraction/archiving could we follow the replay model?  The replay uses 3 files.
<br />

<br />
The NDX file contains the GOP markers and commercial information.
<br />

<br />
The RGD file contains the Guide information.
<br />

<br />
The MPG file contains the video/audio.
<br />

<br />
If we use this model, it will make using a really cool tool like DVArchive a lot easier.  More information about DVArchive can be found at <a href="http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net</a>
<br />

<br />
I've already got a good start on the integration of a Tivo into DVArchive.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Unfortunately tivo kinda keeps all of that information scattered throughout the tystream, and we have yet to sort it out, so we can't do that. At a later date I see somebody possibly writing software to convert it to your spec though.
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 01:48</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>how about a companion text file?  same name, txt extension.  
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
That would be fine, but the only problem I see with that is it would kinda be like a bin/cue thing with cd images. If you lose the txt file, you lose vital information about that stream. I think its better just to keep one file that holds all of the information necessary. The muxing programs can just skip X # of bytes to ignore our header, or we could put it at the end of the file where the current extraction programs will more than likely just discard it anyways as being garbage.
<br />

<br />
For flexabilities sake, I wouldn't be concerned, as since we are documenting our changes, the authors of the muxing software can easily compensate for our new fixed standard. (and so far there are only 2 muxers that I know of anyways)
<br />

<br />
Hell I dunno, I am not the one writing the software here, so its up to the rest of you.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 08:36</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>For the work I'm doing in extraction/archiving could we follow the replay model?  The replay uses 3 files.
<br />

<br />
The NDX file contains the GOP markers and commercial information.
<br />

<br />
The RGD file contains the Guide information.
<br />

<br />
The MPG file contains the video/audio.
<br />

<br />
If we use this model, it will make using a really cool tool like DVArchive a lot easier.  More information about DVArchive can be found at <a href="http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">http://dvarchive.sourceforge.net</a>
<br />

<br />
I've already got a good start on the integration of a Tivo into DVArchive.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Unfortunately tivo kinda keeps all of that information scattered throughout the tystream, and we have yet to sort it out, so we can't do that. At a later date I see somebody possibly writing software to convert it to your spec though.
<br />

<br />
EDIT:
<br />
Another way which dtype mentioned, is we could extract each part of the tystream into separate files like they are normaly (named like streamname.1 streamname.2 streamname.3 etc), and put them in a tarball, then add our &quot;cue&quot; file into that tarball as well. Probably the cleanest and most convenient way to go. Only downside here is that there is zero compatibility with current muxing software, but it would be extremely easy to convert it to being compatible.
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 12:55</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Unfortunately tivo kinda keeps all of that information scattered throughout the tystream, and we have yet to sort it out, so we can't do that. At a later date I see somebody possibly writing software to convert it to your spec though.<br />
<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
From what I can see the guide information is located elsewhere in MFS and not directly in the TyStream.<br />
<br />
On the Replay side, there is a program called build-ndx which will read through the MPEG file and create the NDX file.  It does not mark the commercials in the file, but there is a separate program called mark-commercial which updates the NDX for the commercial information.<br />
<br />
All I'm trying to do is restrict the amount of new code which I have to write.the guide info is in the mfs database, 
<br />

<br />
the info required to fast foreward, rewind, etc, is in the stream itself, commercial segment location info is non-existant (or very well hidden)
<br />

<br />
getting the info from mfs to a text file is trivial, if getting it into ndx is a pain, that's definatly down the road a ways
<br />

<br />
most of us coding so far aren't replay tv people and don't have a clue about ndx files, if you want them you're probably going to have to code the ndx file generator youself.  since we don't even have the tystream format figured out yet, don't hold your breath 
<br />

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<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
just for the record...
<br />

<br />
streams extracted from a hughes box with tytool are inserting fine on a sony t60 (both at 2.5.1) they seem to be ignoring the -set insert priority junk - as long as the initial header chunk is intact
<br />

<br />
edited or partial streams (say just the chunks from the second show segment) come back with &quot;unable to record video&quot;
<br />

<br />
*some* success with inserting the header, then partial stream segments - but generally a recipe for wierdness
<br />

<br />
streams &gt; 512 meg are wreaking havoc, lost one hd to a continous reboot loop and had to restore from backup
<br />

<br />
mine don't reboot if fast foreward catches up with insertion, they just stop and loop back to the start of the show on the next keypress
<br />

<br />
easiest method for archiving guaranteed insertable streams right now is to use tytool in &quot;get parts&quot; mode - slicing large extracts down to 4096 chunks has mostly worked so far here, but the few failures are troubling
<br />

<br />
next projects... tivoweb &quot;get parts&quot; mode, db info to txt file, insert, insert with db info restore
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyOr somebody could just make a version of mfs_export that puts the parts (and our &quot;cue&quot; file) directly into a tarball, which would be the best way IMO, as you would be able to separate them apart so easily.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 12:15</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
From what I can see the guide information is located elsewhere in MFS and not directly in the TyStream.
<br />

<br />
On the Replay side, there is a program called build-ndx which will read through the MPEG file and create the NDX file.  It does not mark the commercials in the file, but there is a separate program called mark-commercial which updates the NDX for the commercial information.
<br />

<br />
All I'm trying to do is restrict the amount of new code which I have to write.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Your right, as rc3105 said, its stored in a database object which would be easiest to parse for only the information thats relavent (only about 30% of it is constant, the rest is indexing information which is variably set upon recording or importing) rather than extract the tydb object. But tivos equivalent of the NDX and MPG files are all in the tystream, so we can't separate that *yet*, that will have to come later (though we still haven't a clue what the CommercialSkipOffset attribute is for yet, its values don't make any sense). Actualy converting the guide information from our &quot;cue&quot; file (we realy need to pick a name for that) to your NGR format is a whole other issue though, unless you would like to take care of the task of adding the code to compile the guide information in that format.... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> (actualy shouldn't be too hard if you think about it, tivo stores it pretty simplisticly)
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 13:43</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>just for the record...
<br />

<br />
streams extracted from a hughes box with tytool are inserting fine on a sony t60 (both at 2.5.1) they seem to be ignoring the -set insert priority junk - as long as the initial header chunk is intact
<br />

<br />
edited or partial streams (say just the chunks from the second show segment) come back with &quot;unable to record video&quot;
<br />

<br />
*some* success with inserting the header, then partial stream segments - but generally a recipe for wierdness
<br />

<br />
streams &gt; 512 meg are wreaking havoc, lost one hd to a continous reboot loop and had to restore from backup
<br />

<br />
mine don't reboot if fast foreward catches up with insertion, they just stop and loop back to the start of the show on the next keypress
<br />

<br />
easiest method for archiving guaranteed insertable streams right now is to use tytool in &quot;get parts&quot; mode - slicing large extracts down to 4096 chunks has mostly worked so far here, but the few failures are troubling
<br />

<br />
next projects... tivoweb &quot;get parts&quot; mode, db info to txt file, insert, insert with db info restore
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Or somebody could just make a version of mfs_export that puts the parts (and our &quot;cue&quot; file) directly into a tarball, which would be the best way IMO, as you would be able to separate them apart so easily.
<br />

<br />
I am very confident that getting streams &gt; 512 mb will be an easy task, the hard part is already out of the way (in fact, I have already done it). But I think we realy should settle on a file format first.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 12:15</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
From what I can see the guide information is located elsewhere in MFS and not directly in the TyStream.
<br />

<br />
On the Replay side, there is a program called build-ndx which will read through the MPEG file and create the NDX file.  It does not mark the commercials in the file, but there is a separate program called mark-commercial which updates the NDX for the commercial information.
<br />

<br />
All I'm trying to do is restrict the amount of new code which I have to write.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Your right, as rc3105 said, its stored in a database object which would be easiest to parse for only the information thats relavent (only about 30% of it is constant, the rest is indexing information which is variably set upon recording or importing) rather than extract the tydb object. But tivos equivalent of the NDX and MPG files are all in the tystream, so we can't separate that *yet*, that will have to come later (though we still haven't a clue what the CommercialSkipOffset attribute is for yet, its values don't make any sense). Actualy converting the guide information from our &quot;cue&quot; file (we realy need to pick a name for that) to your NGR format is a whole other issue though, unless you would like to take care of the task of adding the code to compile the guide information in that format.... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> (actualy shouldn't be too hard if you think about it, tivo stores it pretty simplisticly)
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 13:43</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>just for the record...
<br />

<br />
streams extracted from a hughes box with tytool are inserting fine on a sony t60 (both at 2.5.1) they seem to be ignoring the -set insert priority junk - as long as the initial header chunk is intact
<br />

<br />
edited or partial streams (say just the chunks from the second show segment) come back with &quot;unable to record video&quot;
<br />

<br />
*some* success with inserting the header, then partial stream segments - but generally a recipe for wierdness
<br />

<br />
streams &gt; 512 meg are wreaking havoc, lost one hd to a continous reboot loop and had to restore from backup
<br />

<br />
mine don't reboot if fast foreward catches up with insertion, they just stop and loop back to the start of the show on the next keypress
<br />

<br />
easiest method for archiving guaranteed insertable streams right now is to use tytool in &quot;get parts&quot; mode - slicing large extracts down to 4096 chunks has mostly worked so far here, but the few failures are troubling
<br />

<br />
next projects... tivoweb &quot;get parts&quot; mode, db info to txt file, insert, insert with db info restore
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Or somebody could just make a version of mfs_export that puts the parts (and our &quot;cue&quot; file) directly into a tarball, which would be the best way IMO, as you would be able to separate them apart so easily.
<br />

<br />
I am very confident that getting streams &gt; 512 mb will be an easy task, the hard part is already out of the way (in fact, I have already imported a 700 meg test stream, just its not a one step process). But I think we realy should settle on a file format first.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 12:15</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
From what I can see the guide information is located elsewhere in MFS and not directly in the TyStream.
<br />

<br />
On the Replay side, there is a program called build-ndx which will read through the MPEG file and create the NDX file.  It does not mark the commercials in the file, but there is a separate program called mark-commercial which updates the NDX for the commercial information.
<br />

<br />
All I'm trying to do is restrict the amount of new code which I have to write.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Your right, as rc3105 said, its stored in a database object which would be easiest to parse for only the information thats relavent (only about 30% of it is constant, the rest is indexing information which is variably set upon recording or importing) rather than extract the tydb object. But tivos equivalent of the NDX and MPG files are all in the tystream, so we can't separate that *yet*, that will have to come later (though we still haven't a clue what the CommercialSkipOffset attribute is for yet, its values don't make any sense). Actualy converting the guide information from our &quot;cue&quot; file (we realy need to pick a name for that) to your NGR format is a whole other issue though, unless you would like to take care of the task of adding the code to compile the guide information in that format.... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> (actualy shouldn't be too hard if you think about it, tivo stores it pretty simplisticly)
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 13:43</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>just for the record...
<br />

<br />
streams extracted from a hughes box with tytool are inserting fine on a sony t60 (both at 2.5.1) they seem to be ignoring the -set insert priority junk - as long as the initial header chunk is intact
<br />

<br />
edited or partial streams (say just the chunks from the second show segment) come back with &quot;unable to record video&quot;
<br />

<br />
*some* success with inserting the header, then partial stream segments - but generally a recipe for wierdness
<br />

<br />
streams &gt; 512 meg are wreaking havoc, lost one hd to a continous reboot loop and had to restore from backup
<br />

<br />
mine don't reboot if fast foreward catches up with insertion, they just stop and loop back to the start of the show on the next keypress
<br />

<br />
easiest method for archiving guaranteed insertable streams right now is to use tytool in &quot;get parts&quot; mode - slicing large extracts down to 4096 chunks has mostly worked so far here, but the few failures are troubling
<br />

<br />
next projects... tivoweb &quot;get parts&quot; mode, db info to txt file, insert, insert with db info restore
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Or somebody could just make a version of mfs_export that puts the parts (and our &quot;cue&quot; file) directly into a tarball, which would be the best way IMO, as you would be able to separate them apart so easily.
<br />

<br />
I am very confident that getting streams &gt; 512 mb will be an easy task, the hard part is already out of the way (in fact, I have already imported a 700 meg test stream, just its not a one step process). But I think we realy should settle on a file format first, as that will determine how we automate the process.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 12:15</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
From what I can see the guide information is located elsewhere in MFS and not directly in the TyStream.
<br />

<br />
On the Replay side, there is a program called build-ndx which will read through the MPEG file and create the NDX file.  It does not mark the commercials in the file, but there is a separate program called mark-commercial which updates the NDX for the commercial information.
<br />

<br />
All I'm trying to do is restrict the amount of new code which I have to write.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Your right, as rc3105 said, its stored in a database object which would be easiest to parse for only the information thats relavent (only about 30% of it is constant, the rest is indexing information which is variably set upon recording or importing) rather than extract the tydb object. But tivos equivalent of the NDX and MPG files are all in the tystream, so we can't separate that *yet*, that will have to come later (though we still haven't a clue what the CommercialSkipOffset attribute is for yet, its values don't make any sense). Actualy converting the guide information from our &quot;cue&quot; file (we realy need to pick a name for that) to your NGR format is a whole other issue though, unless you would like to take care of the task of adding the code to compile the guide information in that format.... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> (actualy shouldn't be too hard if you think about it, tivo stores it pretty simplisticly)
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 13:43</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>just for the record...
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<br />
streams extracted from a hughes box with tytool are inserting fine on a sony t60 (both at 2.5.1) they seem to be ignoring the -set insert priority junk - as long as the initial header chunk is intact
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edited or partial streams (say just the chunks from the second show segment) come back with &quot;unable to record video&quot;
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*some* success with inserting the header, then partial stream segments - but generally a recipe for wierdness
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streams &gt; 512 meg are wreaking havoc, lost one hd to a continous reboot loop and had to restore from backup
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mine don't reboot if fast foreward catches up with insertion, they just stop and loop back to the start of the show on the next keypress
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easiest method for archiving guaranteed insertable streams right now is to use tytool in &quot;get parts&quot; mode - slicing large extracts down to 4096 chunks has mostly worked so far here, but the few failures are troubling
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Or somebody could just make a version of mfs_export that puts the parts (and our &quot;cue&quot; file) directly into a tarball, which would be the best way IMO, as you would be able to separate them apart so easily.
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I am very confident that getting streams &gt; 512 mb will be an easy task, the hard part is already out of the way (in fact, I have already imported a 700 meg test stream, just its not a one step process). But I think we realy should settle on a file format first, as that will determine how we automate the process.
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From what I can see the guide information is located elsewhere in MFS and not directly in the TyStream.
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On the Replay side, there is a program called build-ndx which will read through the MPEG file and create the NDX file.  It does not mark the commercials in the file, but there is a separate program called mark-commercial which updates the NDX for the commercial information.
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Your right, as rc3105 said, its stored in a database object which would be easiest to parse for only the information thats relavent (only about 30% of it is constant, the rest is indexing information which is variably set upon recording or importing) rather than extract the tydb object. But tivos equivalent of the NDX and MPG files are all in the tystream, so we can't separate that *yet*, that will have to come later (though we still haven't a clue what the CommercialSkipOffset attribute is for yet, its values don't make any sense). Actualy converting the guide information from our &quot;cue&quot; file (we realy need to pick a name for that) to your RGD format is a whole other issue though, unless you would like to take care of the task of adding the code to compile the guide information in that format.... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> (actualy shouldn't be too hard if you think about it, tivo stores it pretty simplisticly)
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the transition from the end of one segment into the next is anybody's guess, but it's usually a blocky dissolve, not more than a second or two, MUCH preferable to 4 mins of commercials
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outer limits headers are working with babylon 5 show, b5 headers are working with celebrity deathmatch segments, etc...
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any old tystream header record seems to work
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totalshow.ty inserts and plays fine
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the transition from the end of one segment into the next is anybody's guess, but it's usually a blocky dissolve, not more than a second or two, MUCH preferable to 4 mins of commercials
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outer limits headers are working with babylon 5 show, b5 headers are working with celebrity deathmatch segments, etc...
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don't know if each fsid has to have a header yet, but it's pretty easy to build commercial free &quot;frankenstein&quot; segments that play fine
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edit: previous header wierdness was from i-node cacheing and re-using filenames for insert script simplicityminor update here
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any old tystream header record seems to work
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totalshow.ty inserts and plays fine
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the transition from the end of one segment into the next is anybody's guess, but it's usually a blocky dissolve, not more than a second or two, MUCH preferable to 4 mins of commercials
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outer limits headers are working with babylon 5 show, b5 headers are working with celebrity deathmatch segments, etc...
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don't know if each fsid has to have a header yet, but it's pretty easy to build commercial free &quot;frankenstein&quot; segments that play fine
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edit: previous header wierdness was from i-node cacheing (on the pc)and re-using filenames for insert script simplicity<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 18:36</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Your right, as rc3105 said, its stored in a database object which would be easiest to parse for only the information thats relavent (only about 30% of it is constant, the rest is indexing information which is variably set upon recording or importing) rather than extract the tydb object. But tivos equivalent of the NDX and MPG files are all in the tystream, so we can't separate that *yet*, that will have to come later (though we still haven't a clue what the CommercialSkipOffset attribute is for yet, its values don't make any sense). Actualy converting the guide information from our &quot;cue&quot; file (we realy need to pick a name for that) to your RGD format is a whole other issue though, unless you would like to take care of the task of adding the code to compile the guide information in that format.... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> (actualy shouldn't be too hard if you think about it, tivo stores it pretty simplisticly)<br />
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The reason I picked the replay stuff is that there is a lot of source code to do most of what I need.  Also,<br />
I can test it using DVArchive/ReplayPC.  If there was a java for TiVo, I would just add the code needed directly to DVArchive and never have to write standalone code for the TiVo.<br />
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The NDX/MPG I know are going to be interesting.<br />
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I'm working on getting ReplayServer to send a guide file at the moment.  Once that is done, the next task is to get a program to extract the nowshowing and create a guide file.  At that point you should be able to bring up DVArchive and look at what is on the TiVo.  No extraction/import yet....One of the things that does not appear to be working correctly is pthreads or my current way of calling them.  If I compile ReplayServer for the TiVo, my threads are not working correctly.  If I compile it for my Intel Linux box, it works like a champ.<br />
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individual fsid's larger than 512 meg are wreaking havoc, multiple fsid recordings are fine, as long as each fsid is &lt; 4096 chunks
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To accomplish this, the extra info needs to be at the front of the file.
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We also may want to think about &quot;tcl friendliness&quot; since part of this importing requires tcl.  If tcl can read the header and use the info to create the stream it will be a much cleaner implementation.
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Also, is the insertion being done using the code I posted, or something else?  Just want to know if anybody's been banging on it.
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Hmmmm...ok how about this, we have a client and server setup, the server end being on the tivo, with mfs_export and your import code built in, with TCL scripts at its side, both my CreateStream.tcl, and NowShowing.tcl.
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When you want to export a stream, we can go much like jdiners approach; the client tells the server to invoke NowShowing.tcl to get the nowshowing info. Now the server will send each individual tystream part, and all of the guide info to the client. The client will then do one of two things with that; either build that into our tarball, or pipe the tystream strait to a muxer which converts it strait to an mpeg file, users pick.
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Now when you want to import a stream, the client parses the tarball and determines immediately how many parts there are, how large each part is, and sends over the guide info. The client sends this information to the server, and the server sends that to the CreateStream.tcl, which creates both our blank stream and our Now Showing object complete with title, description, etc. Once the script is complete, the client then starts piping each tystream part one at a time to the server, which imports that strait into MFS.
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Because of my limited skill, my only role in this is to come up with methods and suggestions. Whoever writes the software will ultimately determine how things work, and always remember I don't want to pressure anybody into doing things my way, and I am not going to try to force it either. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool">
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Now when you want to import a stream, the client parses the tarball and determines immediately how many parts there are, how large each part is, and sends over the guide info. The client sends this information to the server, and the server sends that to the CreateStream.tcl, which creates both our blank stream and our Now Showing object complete with title, description, etc. Once the script is complete, the client then starts piping each tystream part one at a time to the server, which imports that strait into MFS.
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I think tarball would be good, I understand its pretty easy to parse through.  I would just like to make sure that all of the now-showing and part data is at the front of the tarball.  That way it can be streamed and necessary info can be extracted off the front of the stream.  If we don't do that we'll have to buffer it and that would be difficult if not impossible with the space limitations on the tivo.
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Now when you want to import a stream, the client parses the tarball and determines immediately how many parts there are, how large each part is, and sends over the guide info. The client sends this information to the server, and the server sends that to the CreateStream.tcl, which creates both our blank stream and our Now Showing object complete with title, description, etc. Once the script is complete, the client then starts piping each tystream part one at a time to the server, which imports that strait into MFS.
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I think tarball would be good, I understand its pretty easy to parse through.  I would just like to make sure that all of the now-showing and part data is at the front of the tarball.  That way it can be streamed and necessary info can be extracted off the front of the stream.  If we don't do that we'll have to buffer it and that would be difficult if not impossible with the space limitations on the tivo.
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I'm thinking about a tivoweb implementation for this.  The browser will stream the file up to the tivoweb.  Tivoweb tcl module will parse out the part and now-showing info, create the stream and mfs entries, then finally pass the stream off to the C program for ingest into mfs.
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Should be quite doable.
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I am using your code, it's working great so far.  I (still) don't have my cross compiler working (that comp is packed allready and I'm moving in the next few days) but I can insert from my gf's pc -&gt; tivo here just fine.  
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what I'm doing:
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select (.ty associated with batch files for double click launch) the stream or stream segments I want to watch (most of my archived stuff is segments with commercials edited out)
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retrieve (or generate) a txt file with the nowshowing info for the about to be generated stream, save it to c:\nfs
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remotely invoke a tcl script that retrieves streaminfo.txt from /nfs (which is actually c:\nfs) and uses that info to create the nowshowing entry
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create the stream to send to the tivo (copy pretty much any stream header chunk then append the selected segments to it with the plain old dos append) saving this stream as c:\nfs\insert.ty
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invoke a tcl script to run mfs_import and begin copying /nfs/insert.ty into the apropriate fsid's
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wait a few seconds and invoke sendkey with tivo tivo play to start the new program playing
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from the athlon with ide raid and firewire drives, generating the 1st 500 meg fsid from files on the hd is &lt; 30 seconds, with tivo playback starting a few seconds later, insert stays ahead of playback, so I can watch it as it loads
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it's not exactly a streaming client-server solution, but it allmost feels like it
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somewhat similiar to alphawolf's idea, I'm just using a directory instead of a tarball (for now) across nfs with known paths instead of client/server transport routines
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(pc) pull from tivo, push to tivo nowshowing
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(tivo) pull from pc via remote control keypress intercept and menu's displayed in overlay, push to pc pseudo-nowshowing via same approach or hacked save to vcr routine
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the cherry on top here is that the &quot;pseudo-nowshowing&quot; directory on the pc can be added to the shared directories list in winmx, kazaa, gnutella, whichever
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Also keep in mind the extremely old version of gcc being used (2.8.1) and extremely old glibc (1.99). I wouldn't rule out some problems with these older versions, or the somewhat hasty port to powerpc for both of them.whoops, posted to wrong thread, deleting....just for the record...
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streams extracted from a hughes box with tytool are inserting fine on a sony t60 (both at 2.5.1) they seem to be ignoring the -set insert priority junk - as long as the initial header chunk is intact
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*some* success with inserting the header, then partial stream segments - but generally a recipe for wierdness
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streams &gt; 512 meg are wreaking havoc, lost one hd to a continous reboot loop and had to restore from backup
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mine don't reboot if fast foreward catches up with insertion, they just stop and loop back to the start of the show on the next keypress
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easiest method for archiving guaranteed insertable streams right now is to use tytool in &quot;get parts&quot; mode - slicing large extracts down to 4096 chunks has mostly worked so far here, but the few failures are troubling
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next projects... tivoweb &quot;get parts&quot; mode, db info to txt file, insert, insert with db info restore
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individual fsid's larger than 512 meg are wreaking havoc, multiple fsid recordings are fine, as long as each fsid is &lt; 4096 chunks <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 21:10</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>make sure you're not using any floating point<br />
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EDIT: correct -msoft_float to -msoft-floatDoes anyone know how TiVo uses the Begin and End of the RecordingPart? Is it critical that the numbers be absolutely correct. How does the TiVo compute the numbers? I assume it is done on the fly while recording.  Is it possible to compute the number using the $streamsize (a'la Alphawolf's createstream)?
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Seems were locked between two things so far as how we want to go about it from the client side.
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- A tivoweb based client would be nice and convenient
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- A standalone client can offer you extra features (like downloading the stream directly as an mpeg file).
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It would be nice if we could have all of the features that a standalone client could offer on tivoweb, but definitely easier said than done...ideas?
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Seems were locked between two things so far as how we want to go about it from the client side.
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- A tivoweb based client would be nice and convenient
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- A standalone client can offer you extra features (like downloading the stream directly as an mpeg file).
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It would be nice if we could have all of the features that a standalone client could offer on tivoweb, but definitely easier said than done...ideas?
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>zobetron wrote on Thu, 22 August 2002 11:03</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Does anyone know how TiVo uses the Begin and End of the RecordingPart? Is it critical that the numbers be absolutely correct. How does the TiVo compute the numbers? I assume it is done on the fly while recording.  Is it possible to compute the number using the $streamsize (a'la Alphawolf's createstream)?
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I am not sure if we need to even worry about this. Tivo may use it to track how much space it has used, but then in 3.0 it also has the StreamFileSize attribute. &lt;shrug&gt; Its definitely not critical for streams to work though.
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Unless of course you've been banned from the IRC channel... Then perhaps IRC is not the best way to go.
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--jdiner<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>TivoDvlpr wrote on Tue, 20 August 2002 22:47</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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If we write the software to do the extraction, we can add a header to the file to identify all of the information, including parts, title, duration, etc. 
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Of course, that would make it incompatible with previously extracted streams...
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Perhaps a new extension?  Just to make sure to to get them confused.  And we could support the old as well using the above.
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I think that is a good idea, the majority of current extraction software doesn't pull out files that can be cleanly reinserted into a tivo. I think as a rule of thumb, the extraction software that extracts a tystream should be able to have its output put directly back into a tivo exactly as it was found. Since we are the first to put stuff back onto a tivo, and more information is known now about tystreams, we should define a new good solid standard. All of the remuxing software could just parse our file format and scratch what it doesn't need, rather than vice versa.
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Here are some resources we can use to accomplish tivoweb based upload/processing of a tar based ty file system.
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For tcl based tar file handling: <a href="http://expect.nist.gov/tcl.tar.gz" target="_blank">http://expect.nist.gov/tcl.tar.gz</a>
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I'm going to start looking at these later tonight, to see if I can't get tivoweb to accept a streaming tarball with a text file for the part/now-showing data and a .ty file with the movie/show.
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Anybody want to help?  Especially with the tcl side, since I'm not the greatest tcl guy?IRC from behind good firewalls is shall we say problematic <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif" border=0 alt="Rolling Eyes"> 
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as such I don't expect to use IRCHere are some resources we can use to accomplish tivoweb based upload/processing of a tar based ty file system.
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I'm going to start looking at these later tonight, to see if I can't get tivoweb to accept a streaming tarball with a text file for the part/now-showing data and a .ty file with the movie/show.
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Anybody want to help?  Especially with the tcl side, since I'm not the greatest tcl guy?<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jdiner wrote on Thu, 22 August 2002 11:53</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Unless of course you've been banned from the IRC channel... Then perhaps IRC is not the best way to go.<br></td></tr></table>
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Not sure what you mean here. To my knowledge, nobody has been banned from the #tivo on freenode/opn/{whatever it is called these days}. Are you referring to a case in particular here? Certainly we'd like as much developer participation as possible.Tivoweb could be easily adapted to accept uploaded files, actually I think the code to do it is already in there.
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I can't help but think there's a better way to pass the code back to an external program -- unix socket perhaps?
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Anyways, I'll be around to lend a hand.I was referring to me. When I first got my tivo and was trying to come up to speed. I was banned. By a fellow member of this forum... That kind of thing just makes using IRC problematic.
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--jdiner<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jdiner wrote on Thu, 22 August 2002 14:39</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I was referring to me. When I first got my tivo and was trying to come up to speed. I was banned. By a fellow member of this forum... That kind of thing just makes using IRC problematic.<br></td></tr></table>
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I've just taken an informal poll of the IRC channel (those that are around anyway), including the channel owner and several regulars. Nobody seems to object to your joining us, so if you've got an irc client handy, you're welcome in channel, as is anyone else...<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Thu, 22 August 2002 14:39</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Tivoweb could be easily adapted to accept uploaded files, actually I think the code to do it is already in there.
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I can't help but think there's a better way to pass the code back to an external program -- unix socket perhaps?
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The way I showed IS passing using sockets, its passing the socket associated with the http connection.  
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<br />
It won't be a simple upload, as that would require enough file space.  What we need to do is parse the mime encoded input stream until we get to the ty file, then pass the socket on to my C program (which I will re-write to work from stdin).
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<br />
So essentially the first task is to parse the mime stuff, then read the tar stuff, then once we get past the tar header for the ty file, pass the socket on.
<br />

<br />
later!
<br />
Anybody know what happens when you successfully do this:
<br />

<br />
set fsid  [mfs streamfill $recsize [expr $streamsize / $recsize]]
<br />

<br />
and then the script fails before the stream is linked it into the Recording/Part object(s)?
<br />

<br />
Will MFS clean it up eventually or did I just waste a half gig of drive space?
<br />
Anybody know what happens when you successfully do this:
<br />

<br />
set fsid  [mfs streamfill $recsize [expr $streamsize / $recsize]]
<br />

<br />
and then the script fails before the stream is linked into the Recording/Part object(s)?
<br />

<br />
Will MFS clean it up eventually or did I just waste a half gig of drive space?
<br />
generally anything allocated - but not linked into nowshowing or to an mfs path - is deleted as soon as you exit the transaction
<br />

<br />
if you're not in a transaction when you allocate it, it's usually immediatly deleted
<br />

<br />
sometimes when you call an external prog from within a transaction it thinks you have left and deletes the fsid
<br />

<br />
you probably didn't waste half a gig
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<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyI have very little interest in developing a screensaver but that hasn't stopped people from asking about it. In hopes that someone else will pick up development, I've attached the source to screensave which was released on AVS/tivocommunity some time ago.Would it be of any value in this discussion for me to modify TivoApp to work with the tyStream insertion code?  By default, TivoApp uses TivoWeb to extract the show information.  I'm sure I could use the MSXML parser to break that page apart to get the various show details so they could be inserted back into MFS.
<br />

<br />
In my own use of TivoApp, I extract the shows and HTML web pages and burn the raw tyStream anmd HTML data to DVD.  My intent here is to create a library of shows from the Tivo, and now that this sort of tool looks like it might become a reality, the show details and the actual tyStream can be pushed back onto the Tivo.
<br />

<br />
I realize that TivoApp is intended for Windows dummies, and that for those who are Linux users, it would be of little use.  
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sounds like a worthy project, 
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<br />
TivoDvlpr is workin on an updated util that will take input from std in, by the time you're ready to use it, I'm sure he'll have it ready
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<br />
--
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RileyTivoDvlpr:
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<br />
This should hopefully simplify some things
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<br />
<pre>
#define BUFSIZE 0x20000
#define MIN(x,y) (x)&lt;(y)?(x):(y)
                
int overwrite_stream(int fsid, int fd) {
        struct mfs_inode inode;
        int run;
        unsigned char buf[BUFSIZE];
        
        mfs_load_inode(fsid, &amp;inode);

        for (run=0;run&lt;inode.num_runs;run++) {
                int len=inode.u.runs[run].len;   //number of sectors left
                int sec=inode.u.runs[run].start; //sector to write to

                while (len&gt;0) {
                        int rlen = MIN(BUFSIZE&gt;&gt;SECTOR_SHIFT,len);  //number of sectors to read this round
                        int ret  = read(fd,buf,rlen&lt;&lt;SECTOR_SHIFT); //number of BYTES read

                        if (ret &lt;= 0) {
                                fprintf(stderr,&quot;read failed.\n&quot;);
                                exit(1);
                        } else if ((ret % SECTOR_SIZE) != 0) {
                                fprintf(stderr,&quot;short read.\n&quot;)
                        }

                        ret &gt;&gt;= SECTOR_SHIFT; //convert to SECTORS
                        mfs_write_sectors(buf, sec, ret);
                        
                        len -= ret;
                        sec += ret;
                }
        }
}       
</pre>
<br />
(untested)Can anyone tell me what my problem is here?
<br />
If I use a tcl file like this (with proper permissions and file in path):
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<br />
=========================
<br />
#!/tvbin/tivosh
<br />

<br />
exec mfs_import 1332343 temp/785616.ty
<br />
exec mfs_import 1332344 temp/785617.ty
<br />
exec mfs_import 1332345 temp/785618.ty
<br />
exec mfs_import 1332346 temp/785619.ty
<br />

<br />
=========================
<br />

<br />
It craps out after the first import (these are 10 meg test files). Of course, if I do this on the command line (one at a time) it works:
<br />

<br />
mfs_import 1332343 temp/785616.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332344 temp/785617.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332345 temp/785618.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332346 temp/785619.ty
<br />

<br />
TIA
<br />
why tivosh?
<br />

<br />
#!/bin/sh
<br />
mfs_import 1332343 temp/785616.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332344 temp/785617.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332345 temp/785618.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332346 temp/785619.ty
<br />
Can anyone tell me what my problem is here?
<br />
If I use a tcl file like this (with proper permissions and file in path, valid fsid(s) for valid recording):
<br />

<br />
=========================
<br />
#!/tvbin/tivosh
<br />

<br />
exec mfs_import 1332343 temp/785616.ty
<br />
exec mfs_import 1332344 temp/785617.ty
<br />
exec mfs_import 1332345 temp/785618.ty
<br />
exec mfs_import 1332346 temp/785619.ty
<br />

<br />
=========================
<br />

<br />
It craps out after the first import (these are 10 meg test files). Of course, if I do this on the command line (one at a time) it works:
<br />

<br />
mfs_import 1332343 temp/785616.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332344 temp/785617.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332345 temp/785618.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332346 temp/785619.ty
<br />

<br />
TIA
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Fri, 23 August 2002 12:36</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>why tivosh?
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<br />
#!/bin/sh
<br />
mfs_import 1332343 temp/785616.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332344 temp/785617.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332345 temp/785618.ty
<br />
mfs_import 1332346 temp/785619.ty
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Well, I've modified importstream.tcl to handle multiple fsid's. At the end of the file it does the above. I'd like to keep it all in the one tcl file.
<br />

<br />
TIA
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>From what I can see the guide information is located elsewhere in MFS and not directly in the TyStream.
<br />

<br />
On the Replay side, there is a program called build-ndx which will read through the MPEG file and create the NDX file.  It does not mark the commercials in the file, but there is a separate program called mark-commercial which updates the NDX for the commercial information.
<br />

<br />
All I'm trying to do is restrict the amount of new code which I have to write.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
From what I've read up on the NDX stuff, it is very specific to the unique multiplexing of the MPG files on the ReplayTV box. Last I heard the biggest replay hackers (jtl and Lee Thompson) didn't think you could create NDX files from MPGs that weren't multiplexed in the exact way that they are multiplexed by the ReplayTV encoder. So I wouldn't hold out too much hope of creating NDX files (at least ones that were compatible with ReplayTV) from Tivo MPGs, if that's what you were hoping to do.
<br />

<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Thu, 22 August 2002 14:39</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Tivoweb could be easily adapted to accept uploaded files, actually I think the code to do it is already in there.
<br />

<br />
I can't help but think there's a better way to pass the code back to an external program -- unix socket perhaps?
<br />

<br />
Anyways, I'll be around to lend a hand.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
The latest upload-handling code I saw in tivoweb was horribly inefficient and was unusable on any file &gt; 100k. Not only that, but what it did was mime-decode and save any files uploaded to disk before calling your tivoweb module. So if you wanted to actually do some streaming and parse the data, then hand the socket off to another process, you would have to implement it yourself in the module.
<br />

<br />
I would be all for an extraction and insertion tivoweb module or modules. Pretty much anyone with an ethernet card in their tivo is already running tivoweb and dropping in a couple tcl scripts in the tivoweb modules directory is really easy to do. Then you have a web interface that is a nice UI that everyone can use, click a couple buttons to stream shows from tivo to tivo. That is the dream.I'm using a for loop in importstream.tcl to create multiple parts in the recording object. The 3 parts are 512 MB. I am getting the following:
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
FsStream::Create failed (0x11006)
<br />

<br />
    while executing
<br />
&quot;mfs streamfill $recsize [expr $streamsize / $recsize]&quot;
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
I don't get the error when the 3 parts are much smaller say: 30 MB and I don't get the error when there is only one 512 MB part.
<br />

<br />
Any help would be appreciated,
<br />

<br />
TIA
<br />
I'm using a for loop in importstream.tcl to create multiple parts in the recording object. The 3 parts are 512 MB. I am getting the following error:
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
FsStream::Create failed (0x11006)
<br />

<br />
    while executing
<br />
&quot;mfs streamfill $recsize [expr $streamsize / $recsize]&quot;
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
I don't get the error when the 3 parts are much smaller say: 30 MB and I don't get the error when there is only one 512 MB part.
<br />

<br />
Any help would be appreciated,
<br />

<br />
TIA
<br />
I'm using a for loop in importstream.tcl to create multiple parts in the recording object. The 3 parts are 512 MB each. I am getting the following error:
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
FsStream::Create failed (0x11006)
<br />

<br />
    while executing
<br />
&quot;mfs streamfill $recsize [expr $streamsize / $recsize]&quot;
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
I don't get the error when the 3 parts are much smaller say: 30 MB and I don't get the error when there is only one 512 MB part.
<br />

<br />
Any help would be appreciated,
<br />

<br />
TIA
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>zobetron wrote on Fri, 23 August 2002 17:35</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I'm using a for loop in importstream.tcl to create multiple parts in the recording object. The 3 parts are 512 MB each. I am getting the following error:
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
FsStream::Create failed (0x11006)
<br />

<br />
    while executing
<br />
&quot;mfs streamfill $recsize [expr $streamsize / $recsize]&quot;
<br />

<br />
===========================================
<br />

<br />
I don't get the error when the 3 parts are much smaller say: 30 MB and I don't get the error when there is only one 512 MB part.
<br />

<br />
Any help would be appreciated,
<br />

<br />
TIA
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
- tech support, hell-desk -
<br />

<br />
what's [expr $streamsize / $recsize] evaluate to in the above?
<br />

<br />
the value has to be &gt;0 and &lt;4096<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Fri, 23 August 2002 14:46</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>what's [expr $streamsize / $recsize] evaluate to in the above?
<br />

<br />
the value has to be &gt;0 and &lt;4096<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
The first 2 parts evaluate to 4096 each and the last part is 2088.
<br />

<br />
hmmm.. so it's not complaining about the size..
<br />
probably just a database busy error.
<br />

<br />
Try changing your transaction {}'s to RetryTransaction {}
<br />

<br />
wouldn't hurt to add 'EnableTransactionHoldoff true' aswell, just to force it to wait<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>gregggreg wrote on Fri, 23 August 2002 16:02</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>From what I've read up on the NDX stuff, it is very specific to the unique multiplexing of the MPG files on the ReplayTV box. Last I heard the biggest replay hackers (jtl and Lee Thompson) didn't think you could create NDX files from MPGs that weren't multiplexed in the exact way that they are multiplexed by the ReplayTV encoder. So I wouldn't hold out too much hope of creating NDX files (at least ones that were compatible with ReplayTV) from Tivo MPGs, if that's what you were hoping to do.<br></td></tr></table><br />
I've read both hackers information on the NDX files.  JTL does have build-ndx which reads the replay MPG to create it.  So, I've got the structures, etc.<br />
<br />
Speaking of Lee Thompson, I just sent him a number of fixes to make GuideParser compile and run correctly on the TiVo.  So, I've got all of the structures for the guide.<br />
<br />
For those of you who want to be in on the fun, DVArchive v1.1 Beta has basic support for my version of ReplayServer which is going to run on the TiVo.  It is really fun to see a TiVo icon show up.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Fri, 23 August 2002 11:12</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>TivoDvlpr:
<br />

<br />
This should hopefully simplify some things
<br />

<br />
<pre>
#define BUFSIZE 0x20000
#define MIN(x,y) (x)&lt;(y)?(x):(y)
                
int overwrite_stream(int fsid, int fd) {
        struct mfs_inode inode;
        int run;
        unsigned char buf[BUFSIZE];
        
        mfs_load_inode(fsid, &amp;inode);

        for (run=0;run&lt;inode.num_runs;run++) {
                int len=inode.u.runs[run].len;   //number of sectors left
                int sec=inode.u.runs[run].start; //sector to write to

                while (len&gt;0) {
                        int rlen = MIN(BUFSIZE&gt;&gt;SECTOR_SHIFT,len);  //number of sectors to read this round
                        int ret  = read(fd,buf,rlen&lt;&lt;SECTOR_SHIFT); //number of BYTES read

                        if (ret &lt;= 0) {
                                fprintf(stderr,&quot;read failed.\n&quot;);
                                exit(1);
                        } else if ((ret % SECTOR_SIZE) != 0) {
                                fprintf(stderr,&quot;short read.\n&quot;)
                        }

                        ret &gt;&gt;= SECTOR_SHIFT; //convert to SECTORS
                        mfs_write_sectors(buf, sec, ret);
                        
                        len -= ret;
                        sec += ret;
                }
        }
}       
</pre>
<br />
(untested)<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Wow, efficient, AND easy to read!  I'm impressed!  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> 
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>gregggreg wrote on Fri, 23 August 2002 13:10</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />

<br />
The latest upload-handling code I saw in tivoweb was horribly inefficient and was unusable on any file &gt; 100k. Not only that, but what it did was mime-decode and save any files uploaded to disk before calling your tivoweb module. So if you wanted to actually do some streaming and parse the data, then hand the socket off to another process, you would have to implement it yourself in the module.
<br />

<br />
I would be all for an extraction and insertion tivoweb module or modules. Pretty much anyone with an ethernet card in their tivo is already running tivoweb and dropping in a couple tcl scripts in the tivoweb modules directory is really easy to do. Then you have a web interface that is a nice UI that everyone can use, click a couple buttons to stream shows from tivo to tivo. That is the dream.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
At least that should give us a base of code to start with.  Any upload will have to mime-decode, that's how the uploads come in from http.  I've done it in JAVA, never done it in TCL.
<br />

<br />
We need to remove the save-to-file part, and simply interpret the data that comes in as a tarball, with a showing/parts info file in it.  Once the showing/parts file is read, pass the stream to the C code, it will handle the rest of the tarball.  At least that's my plan.
<br />

<br />
Do you still need a database dump for this from a dtivo? If so, let me know what data you need and I'll dump it tomorrow for you.It appears that someone else is already working on a good 'transplexer' from mfs-&gt;ty-&gt;mpeg transport stream. Depending on how this project looks, I may not continue on vsplit, etc, as they may not be necessary soon.Ahh, yeah I'd meant to update this.  lightn and I discussed this the other day on irc and he did some looking in the database for this.
<br />

<br />
It looks like TiVo only makes note of one conflict. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_sad.gif" border=0 alt="Sad">
<br />

<br />
My current plan is to use the same conflict finding routines that tivoweb currently uses when asked to schedule a new recording.Looked at the tivonet code for uploading files.  Problem we will have is that we are going to have to change that code, so that we can process the stream ourselves.  Have to figure out a way to do that and not &quot;break&quot; anything already working with the existing methodology.
<br />

<br />
I'm thinking that we can have the code check the upload filename extension, and perhaps implement code similar to file downloading, have a register_upload_handler for specific extensions.
<br />

<br />
Sound good to anybody?
<br />

<br />

<br />
Now, how do we configuration manage this?
<br />

<br />
I posted this on tivocommunity, but I didn't get any responses.  I'd like to get some input on this, for example, does it even work for somebody besides me?  How can I code this better?
<br />

<br />
Attached is a diff for my first stab at having local support. This is for the channellist. Note, this is for a combo unit only; DO NOT RUN ON A STANDALONE. Things may go boom.
<br />

<br />
A couple notes on what I've found:
<br />

<br />
Multiple Channels in /Setup/Sources/Channel can point to the same Station id, but different ApgChannel id.
<br />

<br />
If you receive a local, one Channel in /Setup/Sources/Channel will have ApgChannel/CanBeViewed not set. It may have other Channels that have ApgChannel/CanBeViewed set to 0.
<br />

<br />
In the &quot;All&quot; Channel listing, it displays my locals twice. I haven't had time to look into this.
<br />

<br />
---
<br />

<br />
I'll ask some specific questions about TCL on TiVo:
<br />

<br />
I'm pretty sure that the following would fail on a combo:
<br />

<br />
set ApgChannel [dbobj $channelobj get ApgChannel]
<br />

<br />
What is the &quot;right&quot; way of handling code that only runs on a combo?  Throw it in a catch?  Is there a global I should check?
<br />

<br />
Lightn, will you be able to use this at all?Ok, I was working on dtivo locals at one time, but got annoyed with it and stopped.  But I will give you any help that I can.
<br />

<br />
So first, for directtivo specific code check the global variable dtivo, ie:
<br />
if {$::dtivo} {
<br />

<br />
Now, going through your diff...
<br />

<br />
+               if { !$viewable } {
<br />
+                 if { [catch {set viewable [dbobj $ApgChannel get CanBeViewed]}] != 0 } {
<br />
+                  set viewable 0
<br />
+                }
<br />

<br />
Shouldn't that be set 'viewable 1'?
<br />

<br />
Oh, not much to the code <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />

<br />
Please tell me how testing goes...  I'll likely integrate it if it works well and is 'correct'.
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>lightn wrote on Sat, 24 August 2002 12:24</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Ok, I was working on dtivo locals at one time, but got annoyed with it and stopped.  But I will give you any help that I can.
<br />

<br />
So first, for directtivo specific code check the global variable dtivo, ie:
<br />
if {$::dtivo} {
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Figures, I was grepping for DirecTivo, DirecTv, and combo...
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
Now, going through your diff...
<br />

<br />
+               if { !$viewable } {
<br />
+                 if { [catch {set viewable [dbobj $ApgChannel get CanBeViewed]}] != 0 } {
<br />
+                  set viewable 0
<br />
+                }
<br />

<br />
Shouldn't that be set 'viewable 1'?
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
It doesn't work if viewable is set to 1.  Looking at the code, I'm not sure how it even works anymore.
<br />

<br />
My memory is so bad sometimes, I forget I have a bad memory.  Thus, I always forget to comment...
<br />

<br />
I'll investigate.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
Oh, not much to the code <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />

<br />
Please tell me how testing goes...  I'll likely integrate it if it works well and is 'correct'.
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Man, you have some high standards. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
It doesn't work if viewable is set to 1.  Looking at the code, I'm not sure how it even works anymore.
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Now I remember.  
<br />

<br />
For some reason, doing a [dbobj $ApgChannel get CanBeViewed] craps out on some locals. This is why I put it in a catch statement.
<br />

<br />
I'm not exactly sure what it returns if a channel is viewable.  I do know it's not zero, and not displayable by puts.  I think it's NULL, or the TCL equivalance of NULL.  I'm not sure how to compare to NULL, since I'm not a TCL programmer (yet). Please post additional links that I may miss.
<br />

<br />
TiVo Community forums. No video extraction talk, but lots of traffic, and good help on space upgrades, tivoweb, utilities, and the like:
<br />
<a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/" target="_blank">http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/</a>
<br />

<br />
DealDatabase DirecTivo forum, including video extraction talk:
<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/</a>
<br />
The existing upload routine in tivoweb sucked, almost done with the rewrite.
<br />

<br />
I don't think registering an extension handler is the way we want to do this; the important thing is the url they're sending it to, not what they decided to name it... still working on that part... A continuation of the tivoweb upload issues disucssed in the tystream reinsertion thread ...
<br />

<br />
First off .. I've rewritten the upload handler to deal with the data in chunks at a time rather than byte manipulations. The idea being that it speeds up the code and sets you up better for streaming into an external application.
<br />

<br />
<pre>
proc decode_upload {chan} {
    global source_dir
    global content_boundary
    global content_length
    global post_data

    set boundary &quot;--$content_boundary&quot;
    set blen 0

    set len $content_length
    set block 2048

    set fp &quot;&quot;

    fconfigure $chan -translation binary
    set buffer &quot;&quot;

    while { $len &gt; 0 } {
        set rlen $block
        if {$len &lt; $rlen} { set rlen $len }
        incr len -$rlen
        append buffer [read $chan $rlen]

        set ret [string first $boundary $buffer]
        while { $ret != -1 } {
            if {$fp != &quot;&quot;} {
                if {$ret &gt; 0} {puts -nonewline $fp &quot;[string range $buffer 0 [expr $ret -1]]&quot;}
                close $fp
                set fp &quot;&quot;
            }
            if {$blen == 0} {
                set boundary &quot;\r\n--$content_boundary&quot;
                set blen [string length $boundary]
            }

            # Crop off the boundary string
            set buffer [string range $buffer [expr $ret+$blen] end]

            # Look for header separator
            set ret [string first &quot;\r\n\r\n&quot; $buffer]
            if {$ret &gt; 0} { ;# Parse header
                set header_line &quot;[string range $buffer 0 [expr $ret -1]]&quot;
                if {[regexp -nocase {.*filename=&quot;([^&quot;]*)\&quot;} $header_line junk filename] == 1} {
                    #some browsers give the full path
                    #discard path and give just the filename.
                    regexp -nocase {[\\/]?([^\\/]*)$} $filename dummy filename
                }
                regexp -nocase {^Content-Disposition:.*\ name=&quot;([^&quot;]*)\&quot;} $header_line junk name
                if {$filename != &quot;&quot;} {
                    set fp [open &quot;$source_dir/uploads/$filename&quot; w]
                    fconfigure $fp -translation binary
                }
                if {$post_data != &quot;&quot;} { append post_data &quot;\&amp;&quot; }
                append post_data &quot;$key=$filename&quot;

                set buffer [string range $buffer [expr $ret+4] end]
            }
           #setup the whole loop again
           set ret [string first $boundary $buffer]
        }
        set slen [string length $buffer]
        # spit out block bytes if possible, otherwise just the remaining bytes
        # we need to preserve $blen bytes in the buffer to deal with edge conditions
        if {$slen &gt; $block + $blen || $rlen &lt; $block } {
            if { $fp != &quot;&quot; } {
                puts -nonewline $fp &quot;[string range $buffer 0 [expr $block -1]]&quot;
            }
            set buffer [string range $buffer $block end]
        }
    }
    fconfigure $chan -buffering none -blocking 1
}
</pre>
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<br />
It needs some extra logic to be able to stream; at this point it's only able to save to disk. I'm thinking that we're only going to be interested in streaming to external applications, if you want to send data to another tcl routine it's better off being stored in a variable and passed. Since we're dealing with an external application we can get away with
<br />
<pre>
open &quot;|/bin/command arg1 arg2&quot; &quot;w&quot;
</pre>
<br />
and just write to that as a file, what we need at this point is a handler that can determine the command to be run based on the url the file is uploaded to.
<br />

<br />
I'd like the solution to be generic enough to be reused, although at this point I can't think of anything else that would need data uploaded to an external app directly.Ok, I didn't realize that was a condition on the catch.  What I think is happening is some Channels don't have an ApgChannel, so when you do a dbobj command on it, it errors out.  So then the correct thing to do is check that '$ApgChannel != &quot;&quot;' before asking for a field in that object.
<br />

<br />
And generally you shouldn't do a catch on a db command inside a retrytransaction because I think it could get a lock conflict and then instead of retrying it will go right past the code.  I've done it a few places in tivoweb, but I need to fix those.
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<br />
And those conditions are for the 'likely to get in' category, I didn't specify other scenarios. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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<br />
And if CanBeViewed is coming back as &quot;&quot;, it could be that it defaults to 1 not 0.  The internal tivo software seems to be programmed to certain defaults, but there is no place that defines what fields default to what.  You have to observe the behavior to find the default.  And that is why I created the defaultval proc, it helps streamline the code.
<br />
If pthreads won't work, do you really need true threads in your app?  You might try using <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/pth/" target="_blank">GNU Pth</a>.
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I hope that this capability will be independant of the use of noscramble.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>gps0 wrote on Tue, 27 August 2002 01:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>If pthreads won't work, do you really need true threads in your app?  You might try using <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/pth/" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>.<br />
<br></td></tr></table><br />
I can't seem to convince it to compile.<br />
<br />
I've compiled glibc 2.2.5 with pthreads using gcc-2.95.3, but the executables seem to have a problem with ld.so.1 when I transfer them to the TiVo.<br />
<br />
I wonder if the kernel has ELF support compiled in.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Sat, 24 August 2002 23:08</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>The existing upload routine in tivoweb sucked, almost done with the rewrite.
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<br />
I don't think registering an extension handler is the way we want to do this; the important thing is the url they're sending it to, not what they decided to name it... still working on that part<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Are you going to write this such that the download handler will be able to read the stream and process it?  We'll need this to be able to process the tar file format.
<br />
[quote title=n4zmz wrote on Tue, 27 August 2002 13:30]<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>gps0 wrote on Tue, 27 August 2002 01:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I wonder if the kernel has ELF support compiled in.<br></td></tr></table>
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It would sort of have to, considering everything we cross-compile for TiVo now is ELF.I'll add what I know about the &quot;chunk table&quot; (the data which preceeds each 128KB of video data).  I've been thinking of it as the &quot;Table of Contents&quot; for each video chunk.
<br />

<br />
The chunk table indexes important events in the MPEG bit stream.  This enables TiVo to do their patented (literally) smooth fast-forward and rewind (e.g., compare TiVo FF to a DVD player FF).  TiVo doesn't need to parse the bit stream to find the next frame, they simply scan the chunk table to jump to the next frame.  A nice trick.
<br />

<br />
Starting at byte 4 there are &quot;n&quot; 16-byte records, where &quot;n&quot; is the value of the first byte in the chunk (pre-v2.0) or the first two bytes (post-v2.0).  [This change was made for dtv which can have more then 256 indexable MPEG events in a single 128KB chunk -- because the compression is too good.  Apparently it wasn't a problem for the original S/A, although presumably it could happen now using VBR].
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Each record contains:
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size: 20 bits, the size of the segment in bytes
<br />
id: 12 bits 
<br />
unknown: 32 bits of unknown data
<br />
timestamp: 64-bit time-stamp (scaled by 1e9)
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The id encodes a 4-bit type (faye's &quot;nybble&quot;) and an 8-bit stream id.  The stream id is either E0 (video) or C0 (audio) as per MPEG specs.  The type/stream id pairs I know are:
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2/c0: audio data
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3/c0: audio packet header (PES header)
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4/c0: audio data (S/A only?)
<br />
9/c0: audio packet header, AC-3 audio
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2/e0: video data
<br />
6/e0: video packet header (PES header)
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7/e0: video sequence header start
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8/e0: video I-frame header start
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a/e0: video P-frame header start
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b/e0: video B-frame header start
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c/e0: video GOP header start
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e/01: closed-caption data
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e/02: Extended data services data
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<br />
Note that AC-3 audio has a stream id of C0 and not BD, as might be expected, e.g., in a normal MPEG stream.
<br />

<br />
When the size has its MSB set, there is no corresponding record in the payload.  Instead, two bytes of data are encoded directly into the size field.  This is used to put two bytes of CC/XDS data directly into the table of contents.
<br />

<br />
There are some nasty alignment issues I won't go in to, except to note that &quot;size&quot;, although a count of bytes, is always a multiple of 4.  This doesn't work well for e.g., D-TV normal audio packets which are always 587 bytes long.  This leads to some 0-byte stuffing issues, which is why on the Dtivo the index into the audio bit-stream is close, but not perfect.<font size="1"><pre>
proc decode_upload {chan content_boundary content_length} {
    global source_dir
    upvar post_data post_data
    global block

    set boundary &quot;--$content_boundary&quot;
    set blen [expr [string length $boundary]+2]

    set len $content_length
    set block 200

    set fp &quot;&quot;
    set key &quot;&quot;
    set header &quot;&quot;

    fconfigure $chan -translation binary
    set buffer &quot;&quot;

    while { $len &gt; 0 } {
        set rlen $block
        if {$len &lt; $rlen} { set rlen $len }
        incr len -$rlen

        append buffer [read $chan $rlen]
        set ret [string first $boundary $buffer]

        while { $ret != -1 } {
            if {$fp != &quot;&quot;} {
                if {$ret &gt; 0} {puts -nonewline $fp &quot;[string range $buffer 0 [expr $ret -1]]&quot;}
                close $fp
            } elseif {$key != &quot;&quot;} {
                if {$post_data != &quot;&quot;} { append post_data &quot;\&amp;&quot; }
                append post_data &quot;$key=[string range $buffer 0 [expr $ret -1]]&quot;
            }
            set fp &quot;&quot;
            set key &quot;&quot;

            # Crop off the boundary string
            # Careful not to bisect headers
            # ie &quot;--BOUND Con&lt;EOF&gt;&quot;
            set tmp [expr $ret+$blen]
            set ret [string first &quot;\r\n\r\n&quot; $buffer]
            if {$ret &gt; $tmp || $ret &lt; 0} {
                set buffer [string range $buffer $tmp end]
                incr ret -$tmp
                set header &quot;&quot;
            }

            if {$ret &gt; 0} { ;# Parse header
                if { $header == &quot;&quot; } {
                    set filename &quot;&quot;
                    set name &quot;&quot;
                    set key &quot;&quot;
                    set header &quot;[string range $buffer 0 [expr $ret -1]]&quot;

                    if {[regexp -nocase {^Content-Disposition:.*\ name=&quot;([^&quot;]*)\&quot;} $header junk name] ==1} {
                        if {[regexp -nocase {.*filename=&quot;([^&quot;]*)\&quot;} $header junk filename] == 1} {
                            #some browsers give the full path
                            #discard path and give just the filename.
                            regexp -nocase {[\\/]?([^\\/]*)$} $filename dummy filename
                        }
                        set key [httpMapReply $name]
                        if {$filename != &quot;&quot;} {
                            set fp [open &quot;$source_dir/uploads/$filename&quot; w]
                            fconfigure $fp -translation binary
                            if {$post_data != &quot;&quot;} { append post_data &quot;\&amp;&quot; }
                            append post_data &quot;$key=$filename&quot;
                        }
                    } else {
                        #clear invalid headers
                        set header &quot;&quot;
                    }
                }
                set buffer [string range $buffer [expr $ret+4] end]
            }

            if {$boundary == &quot;--$content_boundary&quot;} {
                set boundary &quot;\r\n--$content_boundary&quot;
                set blen [expr [string length $boundary]+2]
            }

            #setup the whole loop again
            set ret [string first $boundary $buffer]
        }
        set slen [string length $buffer]
        # spit out block bytes if possible, otherwise just the remaining bytes
        # we need to preserve $blen bytes in the buffer to deal with edge
        # conditions
        # NOTE: if we aren't writing to a file we just let the buffer fill 
        if { $fp != &quot;&quot; } {
            if {$slen &gt; $block + $blen || $rlen &lt; $block } {
                puts -nonewline $fp &quot;[string range $buffer 0 [expr $block -1]]&quot;
                set buffer [string range $buffer $block end]
            }
        }
    }
    fconfigure $chan -buffering none -blocking 1
}
</pre></font>... A continuation of the tivoweb upload issues disucssed in the tystream reinsertion thread ...
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<br />
First off .. I've rewritten the upload handler to deal with the data in chunks at a time rather than byte manipulations. The idea being that it speeds up the code and sets you up better for streaming into an external application.
<br />

<br />
<pre>
-- updated code below --
</pre>
<br />

<br />
It needs some extra logic to be able to stream; at this point it's only able to save to disk. I'm thinking that we're only going to be interested in streaming to external applications, if you want to send data to another tcl routine it's better off being stored in a variable and passed. Since we're dealing with an external application we can get away with
<br />
<pre>
open &quot;|/bin/command arg1 arg2&quot; &quot;w&quot;
</pre>
<br />
and just write to that as a file, what we need at this point is a handler that can determine the command to be run based on the url the file is uploaded to.
<br />

<br />
I'd like the solution to be generic enough to be reused, although at this point I can't think of anything else that would need data uploaded to an external app directly.Hi all,
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<br />
This must be the single most asked question (besides &quot;do you come here often&quot; <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool">), but what is the best proven and tested method of creating a development for the TiVo?
<br />

<br />
Ideally this question would be answered with &quot;use distro version such and so, install this script here, run that command there, and bob is your uncle&quot;, but if that were the case, why hasn't this been documented yet? Or am I just useless at using search engines <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif" border=0 alt="Rolling Eyes">?
<br />

<br />
Please help, or I... er... or I... uhm... can't develop any nice tools <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">?
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<br />
Q.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>ppchacker wrote on Wed, 28 August 2002 02:00</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I'll add what I know about the &quot;chunk table&quot; (the data which preceeds each 128KB of video data).  I've been thinking of it as the &quot;Table of Contents&quot; for each video chunk.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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That's pretty accurate.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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The chunk table indexes important events in the MPEG bit stream.  This enables TiVo to do their patented (literally) smooth fast-forward and rewind (e.g., compare TiVo FF to a DVD player FF).  TiVo doesn't need to parse the bit stream to find the next frame, they simply scan the chunk table to jump to the next frame.  A nice trick.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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I'm sure this is accurate for dtivo, but it doesn't seem to match up so cleanly for sativo - I was looking for MPEG headers (0x00 0x00 0x01 &lt;sid&gt;) in the data and couldn't find them at the start of eg. 8,a,b packets.  I'll scan harder now that you've said this though.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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Starting at byte 4 there are &quot;n&quot; 16-byte records, where &quot;n&quot; is the value of the first byte in the chunk (pre-v2.0) or the first two bytes (post-v2.0).  [This change was made for dtv which can have more then 256 indexable MPEG events in a single 128KB chunk -- because the compression is too good.  Apparently it wasn't a problem for the original S/A, although presumably it could happen now using VBR].
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<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Which explains why the first two fields are stored in LSB order.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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size: 20 bits, the size of the segment in bytes
<br />
id: 12 bits 
<br />
unknown: 32 bits of unknown data
<br />
timestamp: 64-bit time-stamp (scaled by 1e9)
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Unknown: there are clearly some flags in the first byte. 0x20, 0x00 and 0x30 are common.
<br />

<br />
The rest of it seems to be used for different things (probably depending on the flags), look at the values for subsequent 3c0 packets and then 2c0 or 4c0 packets.  The values are accumulating the size.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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2/c0: audio data
<br />
3/c0: audio packet header (PES header)
<br />
4/c0: audio data (S/A only?)
<br />
9/c0: audio packet header, AC-3 audio
<br />
2/e0: video data
<br />
6/e0: video packet header (PES header)
<br />
7/e0: video sequence header start
<br />
8/e0: video I-frame header start
<br />
a/e0: video P-frame header start
<br />
b/e0: video B-frame header start
<br />
c/e0: video GOP header start
<br />
e/01: closed-caption data
<br />
e/02: Extended data services data
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
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perhaps e is empty.  In the UK e/05 is used to store Teletext subtitle information.  A Bombproof implementation might check for e as well as the high bit of the size set to say 'no data included'.
<br />

<br />
I'm not certain the SA tivo is as accurate about I,P,B frame header start - could by why Dtivo has more header entries per chunk than SA tivo?
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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Note that AC-3 audio has a stream id of C0 and not BD, as might be expected, e.g., in a normal MPEG stream.
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Obviously Tivo is using the extended type to determine this.  Should be straight forward to convert this back to BD in a program.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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When the size has its MSB set, there is no corresponding record in the payload.  Instead, two bytes of data are encoded directly into the size field.  This is used to put two bytes of CC/XDS data directly into the table of contents.
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Teletext subtitles were almost working in the betas of 2.5.5 but I think they've removed them - perhaps it was crashing some tv sets.  I've certainly never found useful information in the e05 stream.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
There are some nasty alignment issues I won't go in to, except to note that &quot;size&quot;, although a count of bytes, is always a multiple of 4.  This doesn't work well for e.g., D-TV normal audio packets which are always 587 bytes long.  This leads to some 0-byte stuffing issues, which is why on the Dtivo the index into the audio bit-stream is close, but not perfect.<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
That is interesting.  It's valid in MPEG to stuff with FF to fill a packet.  I wouldn't have thought it would cause sync issues though.A fully compiled environment can be found here:
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=12" target="_blank">tivodev-2.5_linux-x86_dtype2 released.</a>
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<br />
The scripts that it was based on for manually compiling the environment is here:
<br />
<a href="http://tivo.samba.org/download/mbm/tivo-build-xcompiler.tgz" target="_blank">tivo-build-xcompiler.tgz </a>
<br />

<br />
Since this thread is more a support request than anything else, it's been moved to the off-topic forum.A fully compiled environment can be found here:
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=12" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />
The scripts that it was based on for manually compiling the environment can be found here:
<br />
<a href="http://tivo.samba.org/download/mbm/tivo-build-xcompiler.tgz" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />
Since this thread is more a support request than anything else, it's been moved to the off-topic forum.A fully compiled environment can be found here:
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=12" target="_blank">tivodev-2.5_linux-x86_dtype2 released.</a>
<br />

<br />
The scripts that it was based on for manually compiling the environment is here:
<br />
<a href="http://tivo.samba.org/download/mbm/tivo-build-xcompiler.tgz" target="_blank">tivo-build-xcompiler.tgz </a>
<br />

<br />
Since this thread is more a support request than anything else, it's been moved to the off-topic forum.I guess the next step would be to re-compile all of the libraries making sure that software floating point is enabled.<br />
<br />
If I link the file staticly, I get an illegal instruction on execution.<br />
<br />
I don't relish the recompile, since the compile took me most of a week to get it right and over 8 hours to run (read slow machine...).<br />
I've verified these codes on both the S/A and dtivo.  If you interpret the &quot;id&quot; as a 12-bit field, this is a complete list of all 12-bit codes I've seen.  It's nice to know that e/05 is used for UK teletext.
<br />

<br />
Because of the alignment issues I was hinting at, you don't land exactly on the start code sequence, but come close.  Perhaps the &quot;unknown&quot; field has flags to correct for this, but that would seem silly; it would be easier to correct by not forcing &quot;size&quot; to be a multiple of 4.  Then again, it just needs to get close; the MPEG stream interpreter will skip to the next start code anyway.
<br />

<br />
Another note re: CC/XDS data.  D-TV sends this information inside the MPEG data stream using MPEG_USER_DATA_START_CODE.  The &quot;user data&quot; is still in the video stream, along with the extracted CC/XDS data in the table of contents.  MPEG does not allow start code emulation in a video bit-stream, so the CC/XDS data is further encoded to prevent an accidental 0x00 0x00 0x01.  Apparently on the S/A the CC/XDS data is provided directly by the encoder and inserted into the TOC.
<br />

<br />
A warning re: older streams.  The CC/XDS data have garbage time-stamps (0xdeadbeef) in v1.3 streams.  This has been fixed, but can cause problems with older streams if you expect valid timestamps and aren't aware of it.
<br />

<br />
For reference, the relevant MPEG start codes are 0x1b3 for the sequence header, 0x1b8 for the group header, 0x100 for a picture (subsequent data differentiates the type of frame), and 0x1bc ... 0x1ff for a packet header.
<br />

<br />
Thanks for the info re: the master chunk.  I had guessed it was a master index for the RecordingPart, saw the timestamps, but hadn't guessed it was a bitmap.  If I understand the previous comments, then each timestamp is followed by a bitmap of the next 64 chunks, showing which chunks have sequence headers?  But each RecordingPart is at most 4096 chunks, so each master chunk contains at most 64 records (1k of data).  Seems a waste to allocate 128KB for this, but I guess they wanted to keep the stream aligned on chunk boundaries.  It also means they only read/write at most the first couple of sectors of the master chunk and the rest is just stale data on the disk.
<br />

<br />
I'm not sure what the value of the sequence header bitmap is.  For random access to time &quot;t&quot;, you use the mfs database information to find the RecordingPart which contains &quot;t&quot;.  Then you binary search the master chunk table to find which set of 64 chunks contains &quot;t&quot;.  Then you binary search over these 64 chunks (reading only the table of contents for each chunk) to find the closest sequence header to time &quot;t&quot;.
<br />

<br />
Problem is, this doesn't need the sequence header bitmap.  I guess you could skip reading any chunk table of contents which doesn't have a sequence header, but in a binary search this hardly matters.  Also, the sequence headers are fairly dense in the chunks, with 1-2 sequence headers per second (i.e., 1 for every 2-3 chunks).  Or, maybe they're silly and do a linear scan over the 64 chunks, skipping any which don't have a sequence header.  Any other guesses?
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As an aside, the D-tv MPEG stream has exactly one sequence header, one GOP header, and one I-frame per second of video (i.e., about 1 per 3 chunks, on average).  For people used to analog cable, this is what causes the annoying lag on channel change, as the set-top box scans for the next sequence header before showing the video.  The S/A MPEG encoder is similar, but with two sequence headers, GOP headers, and I-frames per second (basic quality).Binary Chop through hard drive. OK if it's solid state.  Sounds like a lot of head thrash which is why I think they've done this.  You could read the index for the entire program in once and keep it in memory because it has such a small footprint, then it's a memory seek rather than a drive seek, which makes it more multiple access friendly than constantly seeking around the disk looking for the right part.  That's got to be the reason they've done it, surely?<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>faye wrote on Wed, 28 August 2002 15:33</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Binary Chop through hard drive. OK if it's solid state.  Sounds like a lot of head thrash which is why I think they've done this.  You could read the index for the entire program in once and keep it in memory because it has such a small footprint, then it's a memory seek rather than a drive seek, which makes it more multiple access friendly than constantly seeking around the disk looking for the right part.  That's got to be the reason they've done it, surely?<br></td></tr></table>
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I mostly agree, but I think it's interesting to consider the alternatives.
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&quot;seek to time t&quot; is how TiVo implements &quot;FF/REW by 15 minute increment&quot; as well as the bookmarks for saving the current position during playback.  (Bookmarks are stored in the MFS database as an integer offset into the recording measured in milliseconds.)
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If you need to do many random seeks to different times, you could keep the master chunk header and all of the chunk headers in memory.  But I don't think this is the common case, so consider instead a cold-start, i.e. nothing is yet in memory.
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If you ignore the master chunk table, you can binary search the 4096 chunks of a RecordingPart with about 12 reads of chunk headers (and each read is about 4K or 8 disk sectors).  These reads are scattered across the 1048576 sectors which make up a RecordingPart, so I agree this might be suboptimal.  The concern is noise-related, not the time required for the seeks -- acoustical noise from the drive was apparently a serious design consideration.
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Using the master chunk table timestamps, you can narrow the search for time &quot;t&quot; to a set of 64 chunks pretty easily with a single seek/read.  The question then is how to find which of those 64 chunks contains a sequence header just after time &quot;t&quot;.
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You can do a linear scan of the 64 chunk headers.  This still requires seeks, because you read the chunk header and skip the chunk data.  In the worst case you seek across all 64 chunk headers, but with small, positive seek increments.  My argument is that a binary search at this point would cut the expected number of seeks/reads from 32 to 6 and each of these seeks is not much worse then required for the linear scan.  And if you do a binary search, the sequence header bitmap doesn't really help.
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So the question remains: why bother to maintain a sequence header bitmap?  My guess is they do a linear search over the 64 chunks, using the sequence header bitmap to skip the read for any chunk which doesn't contain a sequence header (about 1/2 of them, from the previous post).  Normally I would call this the lazy approach, but creating the sequence header bitmap is hardly trivial.  So there probably is a good reason for doing it this way.
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A case of inferring the algorithm from the data structure, unless we can think of a different reason to have a sequence header bitmap.  Either way, I agree the master chunk table timestamps are useful to quickly narrow the search; it's just the sequence header bitmap that has me confused.Ok, I started off on the wrong foot a bit (sorry again, guys <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_redface.gif" border=0 alt="Embarassed">), but I would like to state here that you've done a marvellous job dtype!  If I had only known it was *that* easy...
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Installed Mandrake 8.2, downloaded the tar ball from the ftp site, untarred, tried it on YAC (<a href="http://www.sunflowerhead.com" target="_blank">http://www.sunflowerhead.com</a>) and it works!
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Now I can just concentrate on the actual development, and hopefully contribute something useful in the near future.
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Thanks again dtype (and embeem for his friendly push in the right direction <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">)
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Q.TheDoctor published some information that seems useful on DD.
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From this thread: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=15595" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
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Are a few mentions of how the timestamps work
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From this thread: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=14690" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
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Is a mention about the 16 byte headers, and the differences between a dtivo and an SA tivo.
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I'll post more like that from others as I come across it.
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Thanks for posting this embeem. Need to get my PC set up with a Linux partition (in addition to Windows). I'm a newbie at Linux also. Can you recommend any particular Linux version?In my case Mandrake 8.2 worked miracles.  Just select the Development part and you should be off...
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Hey thanks Quinten! I'll check it out.
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DonWell, I'm finally at the point that I can start to play with MFS.  I've collected the vplay sources from tivo.samba.org, but the schema.txt file seems to be out of date.<br />
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Suggestions...Suppose you go to alot of work and update the schema file to whatever version you're running (3.0?)
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What happens when you distribute this software and schema to someone who's not running a matching version? Same problem all over again.TheDoctor joined us on IRC the other night and shared some information about tystreams, heres a log of the conversation:
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(note I didn't edit it as I felt it would probably make it more confusing, since TheDoctor already stripped out the side conversations from the log)
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*** Now talking in #tivo
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&lt;lightn&gt; TheDoctor: hi, I heard you know some stuff about tystream?
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Some stuff, but far from everything
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Not sure how much info I will be able to add, it looks like you have a good start on things I have never looked at.
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&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; last thing I recall faye trying to do in her project was figure out how to put tivos zero length video PES headers into a TS packet
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I notice one comment by PCCHacker, &quot;D-TV normal audio packets which are always 587 bytes long&quot;  That's not quite true.  There is atleast one or two other sizes.  One of the problems I encountered was that the first few audio packets in a recodring stream are actually from the last stream.  So if you begin a recording on a new channel it may have a diffent playback rate, which can cause an external player to choose the wrong playback rate if you don't trim them.
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&lt;ppchacker&gt; TheDoctor: I've never seen anything other then 160 kb/s @ 48K for non-AC3 DTV
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&lt;ppchacker&gt; what other sizes (i.e., rates) have you seen?
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; PPC: The is at least one other I have seen on the low bit rate stuff like on PBSU.  I will have to dig into source code later.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; ppchacker: From source I allow sizes of 344/348 and 584/588 it appears that 488/492 may be valid as well.
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&lt;lightn&gt; TheDoctor: so how do you think those extra packets get there?  and have you found what tells you how to ignore them?
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Those are the sizes on the input records, not the output, 3 of the smaller for each one of the larger size.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Some appear to be junk.  The packet sizes in the header do not match the size of the stream.  I suspect tivo just discards the ones with the wrong sizes.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; The mpeg decoder generally has a crc check function that will filter the packets.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; lightn:  I think I misread your question.  I discard the opening audio packets until I get all of the video
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; header info I want
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Generally the audio will not be more than 2 chunks late.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; All data is also checked against the time stamps.  If the data is off by more than 1 sec I discard the data.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; If the data stays off for 30 or more records then I reset the timeindex I am testing against.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; This allows the P and B frames jumping timestamps to be processed o.k.
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&lt;lightn&gt; why would they jump?
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; In a transport stream the frames are not moved in the presentation sequence.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Otherwise if they jump in the first few chunks or the last few chunks, then they are probably part of another program stream.
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&lt;lightn&gt; nod
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Sometimes the garbage chunks also are of the correct size, but seldom would have the correct timestamp.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I have also seen some indication that on long programs the Mpeg clock may reset to 0 in mid recording, but have not verified that.
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; And finally, I had a few test streams left over from extractstream days that added extrea chunks
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; to the ends of all streams, not just the last.  That was why I wait a few records before believeing the timechange is real
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; .
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; The downside of this stream sollection method is I suspect that the records really don't meet up, and that are microseconds of silence.
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&lt;lightn&gt; shouldn't the headers tell you the real number of chunks?
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&lt;lightn&gt; or is this for doing without headers?
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; In the early days I more trusting...  I don't usually read other peoples source, if it works I use it if not I write my own.  I am note sure how extractstream worked.
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&lt;lightn&gt; not what I ment
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&lt;lightn&gt; I mean the chunk header, ie TOC for the stream
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; MFS_Export seems to work, although the last chunk seems to get extra data appended.  I have never investigated why, I did read something about the calculation being wrong.
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&lt;lightn&gt; yeah the field for the real length of the stream was recently discovered
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&lt;lightn&gt; well a few months ago anyway
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Well since I already had about 1.5 TB of data collected I decided to work around the problem rather than changing the collection method <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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&lt;lightn&gt; but regardless the stream header should have the information
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&lt;lightn&gt; although some extraction tools drop the first chunk as garbage
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&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; I think jdiner introduced that into his modification of mfs_stream
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&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; dont think extractstream did that
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&lt;lightn&gt; ahh, good
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; True, I have been collecting the first chunks, but not using them for anything.  I use PBE which uses MFS_EXPORT.
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&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; I could be wrong though
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I just had a few Extractstream files, but I try to write for all of the data samples I have access to.
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&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; worked with 100% accuracy for my test streams
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&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; or to the best of my knowledge
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Anyway I suspect that many of the player program are ignoring the audio timestamps and just packing the frames back to back thats why the sync can drift, or my theory any way.
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TheDoctor joined us on IRC the other night and shared some information about tystreams, heres a log of the conversation:
<br />
(note I didn't edit it as I felt it would probably make it more confusing, since TheDoctor already stripped out the side conversations from the log)
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*** Now talking in #tivo
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&lt;lightn&gt; TheDoctor: hi, I heard you know some stuff about tystream?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Some stuff, but far from everything
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Not sure how much info I will be able to add, it looks like you have a good start on things I have never looked at.
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; last thing I recall faye trying to do in her project was figure out how to put tivos zero length video PES headers into a TS packet
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I notice one comment by PCCHacker, &quot;D-TV normal audio packets which are always 587 bytes long&quot;  That's not quite true.  There is atleast one or two other sizes.  One of the problems I encountered was that the first few audio packets in a recodring stream are actually from the last stream.  So if you begin a recording on a new channel it may have a diffent playback rate, which can cause an external player to choose the wrong playback rate if you don't trim them.
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&lt;ppchacker&gt; TheDoctor: I've never seen anything other then 160 kb/s @ 48K for non-AC3 DTV
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&lt;ppchacker&gt; what other sizes (i.e., rates) have you seen?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; PPC: The is at least one other I have seen on the low bit rate stuff like on PBSU.  I will have to dig into source code later.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; ppchacker: From source I allow sizes of 344/348 and 584/588 it appears that 488/492 may be valid as well.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; TheDoctor: so how do you think those extra packets get there?  and have you found what tells you how to ignore them?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Those are the sizes on the input records, not the output, 3 of the smaller for each one of the larger size.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Some appear to be junk.  The packet sizes in the header do not match the size of the stream.  I suspect tivo just discards the ones with the wrong sizes.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; The mpeg decoder generally has a crc check function that will filter the packets.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; lightn:  I think I misread your question.  I discard the opening audio packets until I get all of the video header info I want
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Generally the audio will not be more than 2 chunks late.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; All data is also checked against the time stamps.  If the data is off by more than 1 sec I discard the data.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; If the data stays off for 30 or more records then I reset the timeindex I am testing against.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; This allows the P and B frames jumping timestamps to be processed o.k.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; why would they jump?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; In a transport stream the frames are not moved in the presentation sequence.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Otherwise if they jump in the first few chunks or the last few chunks, then they are probably part of another program stream.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; nod
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&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Sometimes the garbage chunks also are of the correct size, but seldom would have the correct timestamp.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I have also seen some indication that on long programs the Mpeg clock may reset to 0 in mid recording, but have not verified that.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; And finally, I had a few test streams left over from extractstream days that added extrea chunks to the ends of all streams, not just the last.  That was why I wait a few records before believeing the timechange is real.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; The downside of this stream sollection method is I suspect that the records really don't meet up, and that are microseconds of silence.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; shouldn't the headers tell you the real number of chunks?
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; or is this for doing without headers?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; In the early days I more trusting...  I don't usually read other peoples source, if it works I use it if not I write my own.  I am note sure how extractstream worked.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; not what I ment
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; I mean the chunk header, ie TOC for the stream
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; MFS_Export seems to work, although the last chunk seems to get extra data appended.  I have never investigated why, I did read something about the calculation being wrong.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; yeah the field for the real length of the stream was recently discovered
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; well a few months ago anyway
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Well since I already had about 1.5 TB of data collected I decided to work around the problem rather than changing the collection method <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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&lt;lightn&gt; but regardless the stream header should have the information
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; although some extraction tools drop the first chunk as garbage
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; I think jdiner introduced that into his modification of mfs_stream
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; dont think extractstream did that
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; ahh, good
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; True, I have been collecting the first chunks, but not using them for anything.  I use PBE which uses MFS_EXPORT.
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; I could be wrong though
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I just had a few Extractstream files, but I try to write for all of the data samples I have access to.
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; worked with 100% accuracy for my test streams
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; or to the best of my knowledge
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Anyway I suspect that many of the player program are ignoring the audio timestamps and just packing the frames back to back thats why the sync can drift, or my theory any way.
<br />
TheDoctor joined us on IRC on 31-Aug-02 and shared some information about tystreams, heres a log of the conversation:
<br />
(note I didn't edit it as I felt it would probably make it more confusing, since TheDoctor already stripped out the side conversations from the log)
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*** Now talking in #tivo
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; TheDoctor: hi, I heard you know some stuff about tystream?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Some stuff, but far from everything
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Not sure how much info I will be able to add, it looks like you have a good start on things I have never looked at.
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; last thing I recall faye trying to do in her project was figure out how to put tivos zero length video PES headers into a TS packet
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I notice one comment by PCCHacker, &quot;D-TV normal audio packets which are always 587 bytes long&quot;  That's not quite true.  There is atleast one or two other sizes.  One of the problems I encountered was that the first few audio packets in a recodring stream are actually from the last stream.  So if you begin a recording on a new channel it may have a diffent playback rate, which can cause an external player to choose the wrong playback rate if you don't trim them.
<br />
&lt;ppchacker&gt; TheDoctor: I've never seen anything other then 160 kb/s @ 48K for non-AC3 DTV
<br />
&lt;ppchacker&gt; what other sizes (i.e., rates) have you seen?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; PPC: The is at least one other I have seen on the low bit rate stuff like on PBSU.  I will have to dig into source code later.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; ppchacker: From source I allow sizes of 344/348 and 584/588 it appears that 488/492 may be valid as well.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; TheDoctor: so how do you think those extra packets get there?  and have you found what tells you how to ignore them?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Those are the sizes on the input records, not the output, 3 of the smaller for each one of the larger size.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Some appear to be junk.  The packet sizes in the header do not match the size of the stream.  I suspect tivo just discards the ones with the wrong sizes.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; The mpeg decoder generally has a crc check function that will filter the packets.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; lightn:  I think I misread your question.  I discard the opening audio packets until I get all of the video header info I want
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Generally the audio will not be more than 2 chunks late.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; All data is also checked against the time stamps.  If the data is off by more than 1 sec I discard the data.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; If the data stays off for 30 or more records then I reset the timeindex I am testing against.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; This allows the P and B frames jumping timestamps to be processed o.k.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; why would they jump?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; In a transport stream the frames are not moved in the presentation sequence.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Otherwise if they jump in the first few chunks or the last few chunks, then they are probably part of another program stream.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; nod
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Sometimes the garbage chunks also are of the correct size, but seldom would have the correct timestamp.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I have also seen some indication that on long programs the Mpeg clock may reset to 0 in mid recording, but have not verified that.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; And finally, I had a few test streams left over from extractstream days that added extrea chunks to the ends of all streams, not just the last.  That was why I wait a few records before believeing the timechange is real.
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; The downside of this stream sollection method is I suspect that the records really don't meet up, and that are microseconds of silence.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; shouldn't the headers tell you the real number of chunks?
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; or is this for doing without headers?
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; In the early days I more trusting...  I don't usually read other peoples source, if it works I use it if not I write my own.  I am note sure how extractstream worked.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; not what I ment
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; I mean the chunk header, ie TOC for the stream
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; MFS_Export seems to work, although the last chunk seems to get extra data appended.  I have never investigated why, I did read something about the calculation being wrong.
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; yeah the field for the real length of the stream was recently discovered
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; well a few months ago anyway
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Well since I already had about 1.5 TB of data collected I decided to work around the problem rather than changing the collection method <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; but regardless the stream header should have the information
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; although some extraction tools drop the first chunk as garbage
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; I think jdiner introduced that into his modification of mfs_stream
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; dont think extractstream did that
<br />
&lt;lightn&gt; ahh, good
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; True, I have been collecting the first chunks, but not using them for anything.  I use PBE which uses MFS_EXPORT.
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; I could be wrong though
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; I just had a few Extractstream files, but I try to write for all of the data samples I have access to.
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; worked with 100% accuracy for my test streams
<br />
&lt;AlphaWolf&gt; or to the best of my knowledge
<br />
&lt;TheDoctor&gt; Anyway I suspect that many of the player program are ignoring the audio timestamps and just packing the frames back to back thats why the sync can drift, or my theory any way.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Fri, 30 August 2002 23:55</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Suppose you go to alot of work and update the schema file to whatever version you're running (3.0?)<br />
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What happens when you distribute this software and schema to someone who's not running a matching version? Same problem all over again.<br></td></tr></table><br />
One option would be to learn a lot more TCL and recode the guide file generator (read not a lot of fun).<br />
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Another option would be to have a program generate the new schema.txt file from MFS.<br />
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Still another would be to modify the access routines to get the data types, etc out of MFS.<br />
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Ultimately, I would prefer the later.  Since it would be independant of the version of software.A little progress on the tystream &quot;master&quot; chunk.  Some of this is, at best, just a guess.  I'm curious to see counterexamples.
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0x00: always 0xf5467abd (&quot;PES FILE&quot; magic number)
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0x04: always 0x00000002 (object type, i.e., MFS_FILE_STREAM)
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0x08: always 0x00020000 (the chunk size, i.e., 128KB)
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0x0c: number of chunks * 256 + 4
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0x10: always 0x00000008?
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0x14: always 0x00000008?
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0x18: always 0x3b9aca00 (time scale factor, i.e., 1,000,000,000)
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0x1c: byte offset of last record
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These fields are stored big-endian, i.e., as appropriate for the PowerPC.
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The rest of the master chunk is 16-byte records giving an 8-byte timestamp and an 8-byte bitmap (for the next 64 chunks) up to the last record offset given by 0x1c [as identified by embeem/faye above].This may be nothing, but I got bored and pulled a random stream from my tivo. Everything you said in that last post looks correct, except on this particular stream, 0x0C / 256 + 4 = 4099...IIRC the chunk limit is 4096? *shrug*
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Now in the second part of that same 30 minute clip, 0x0C is zero. The combined size of this stream is 685,768,704 bytes, divide that by 131,072 and we have 5,232 total 128kb chunks. (give or take a few as mfs_export can't properly identify the end of the file and dumps a bunch of zeros)
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This may be nothing, but I got bored and pulled a random stream from my tivo. Everything you said in that last post looks correct, except on this particular stream, 0x0C / 256 + 4 = 4099...IIRC the chunk limit is 4096? *shrug*
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Now in the second part of that same 30 minute clip, 0x0C is zero. The combined size of this stream is 685,768,704 bytes, divide that by 131,072 and we have 5,232 total 128kb chunks. (give or take a few as mfs_export can't properly identify the end of the file and dumps a bunch of zeros)
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EDIT:
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Guess after some looking, the chunk number is correct, but its off by one bugged. Also its now very apparent that f5467abd doesn't necessarily indicate the start of a PES file, as the second 64 byte area I was looking at wasn't a header at all. The real second MC indicated a number of chunks that indicated the exact end of the file, so your formula is correct.
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Some new information.
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In the chunk table of contents, bytes 0 and 1 give the number of records in the chunk, stored in little-endian order (this was described previously).
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Bytes 2 and 3 give the record index of the first video sequence header in the chunk.  This is stored little-endian.  Byte 3 always has its most significant bit set (i.e., it is effectively a 15-bit field).  Bytes 2 and 3 are 0xffff if there is no video sequence header in the chunk.  Call this value &quot;vsh&quot;.
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<br />
Thus, if the master chunk tells you that chunk #n has a video sequence header, you simply read chunk #n and look at the &quot;vsh&quot; field to find the record index of the video sequence header in that chunk's table of contents.  From this you can quickly get its timestamp.  However, to see the MPEG data for this record, you still need to scan all records in the table of contents up to this one (to accumulate the sizes to find the offset into the MPEG data).
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<br />
There doesn't seem to be any provision, in either the bitmap of the master chunk or the &quot;vsh&quot; field of each data chunk, for the case where a chunk has more then one video sequence header.  I guess this was a rare enough case that it didn't matter.
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<br />
The setting of the msb of byte 3 is probably how TiVo detects v1.3 streams from v2.0 and later streams (see previous post describing this format change).  For v1.3 streams, byte 0 is the number of records, byte 1 is the record index of the first video sequence header (or 0xff if there is no video sequence header), and bytes 2 and 3 are always 0x00.Posting a few notes incase someone is looking for ideas to play with.
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<br />
---
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<br />
The tivo seems to do inter process communication through the use of shared memory in addition to the event switcher. In early versions the shared memory was done by way of mmap()'ing a file stored in temp but these days they use shm segments.
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<br />
When you startup tivosh it'll create a private pool which can be referenced as pool0. For the most part you can use it just like any other file descriptor but there's a few pool specific tivosh commands:
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<br />
usage: pool allocate [-force {-name &lt;POOLNAME&gt;} {-size &lt;SIZEINBYTES&gt;}]
<br />
usage: pool attach &lt;POOLNAME&gt;
<br />
usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; address
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; size
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; dump
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; registery &lt;ITEMNO&gt;
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; info
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They're pretty self explainitory, you can do things like &quot;gets pool0 string&quot; and &quot;close pool0&quot; just to mess with tivosh. You can also allocate new pools and dump various obscure statistics on the pools. The only one I really can't make much sense out of is the registery command; nomatter what &lt;ITEMNO&gt; I give it I just get a 'not such item' error.
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<br />
As for the 'pool attach' command, that'll look in /tmp for &lt;POOLNAME&gt;.mpkey which contains a 12 byte description of the shm segment to be used:
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<br />
void * address (4 bytes)
<br />
int size (4 bytes)
<br />
int key (4 bytes)
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I should note at this point that not all pools create a mpkey, most pools are private. The only pools I've ever noticed in /tmp are Osd, TvFont, fsmem and mom.
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<br />
....
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<br />

<br />
Objectives:
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Understand the purpose of the mempools and design an interface from C
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<br />
Well, designing an interface from C isn't very hard:
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<pre>
#include &lt;stdio.h&gt;
#include &lt;fcntl.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/ipc.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/shm.h&gt;
#include &lt;errno.h&gt;

unsigned buf[3];

int main(int argc, char **argv) {
        int fd;
        struct shmid_ds shm;

        if (argc&lt;2) exit(0);
        fd = open(argv[1],O_RDONLY);
        read(fd,buf,12);
        close(fd);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;ADDRESS: %08x\n&quot;,buf[0]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;   SIZE: %08x\n&quot;,buf[1]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;    KEY: %08x\n&quot;,buf[2]);

        fd = shmget(buf[2],0,0);
        shmctl(fd, IPC_STAT, &amp;shm);
        shmat(fd, (void *)buf[0], 0);
        {
                int x;
                unsigned char *c=(unsigned char *)buf[0];
                for (x=0;x&lt;buf[1];x++)
                {
                      if (x%8==0) printf(&quot; &quot;);
                      if (x%(2*8)==0) printf(&quot;\n%08x  &quot;,x);
                      printf(&quot;%02x &quot;,(c++)[0]);
                }
                printf(&quot;\n&quot;);

        }
        shmdt((void *)buf[0]);
}
</pre>
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<br />
I haven't yet figured out the format or purpose though. The original thought was that memory addresses were being shared by event switcher to send data which would not otherwise fit into an event however inital experiments in that direction haven't come up with anything.Background:
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In /SwSystem/ACTIVE you'll find a set of ResourceGroup's each containg a number of ResourceItems along with a 'CompressedFile'. Each resource Item is a constant or toggle, and the items are grouped into categories by function with a CompressedFile acting as a cache for all items in that category.
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<br />
Ok, that was confusing, this will help explain it.
<br />

<br />
<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# 2002, embeem

EnableTransactionHoldoff true

set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set swsysa [db $db open &quot;/SwSystem/ACTIVE&quot;]
  set resgrp [dbobj $swsysa get ResourceGroup]
  set groupn 0
  foreach group $resgrp {
     set items [dbobj $group get Item]
     set itemn 0
     foreach item $items {
       puts &quot;$groupn $itemn [dbobj $item get &quot;String&quot;]&quot;
       incr itemn
     }
     incr groupn
  }
}
</pre>
<br />

<br />
Running this code you'll get a list of items like
<br />
<pre>
0 0 {No rating.}
0 1 {Rated G.}
0 2 {Rated PG.}
0 3 {Rated PG-13.}
0 4 {Rated R.}
0 5 {Rated X.}
0 6 {Rated NC-17.}
...
</pre>
<br />
columns are &lt;group #&gt; &lt;item #&gt; &lt;data&gt;
<br />

<br />
(The fsid numbers numbers will vary but the order will be constant, hence the numbering above)
<br />

<br />
Somewhere around group 31 you'll see they're distinctly different. Instead of string constants and random values you have a large chunk with the values set to 1's and 0's. This is where tivo toggles specific sets of features, typically the value added things such as the ability of sony units to control sony vcrs.
<br />

<br />
The following table should give you some idea:
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
<pre>
00 1 1 1 1
01 0 1 0 1 sony vcr control
02 0 1 0 1 remote (sony toggle)
03 1 0 1 0 remote (philips toggle)
04 1 1 1 1
05 1 1 1 1
06 0 1 0 0 remote (??)
07 0 0 0 0
08 1 0 1 0
09 1 0 1 0
10 1 0 0 0
11 0 1 0 1
12 1 1 0 0
13 1 1 0 0
14 1 1 0 0
(end 2.0 resources)
15 1 1 1 1
16 1 1 0 0
(end 2.5 resources)
17 | | 0 0
18 | | 0 1
19 | | 0 0
20 | | 0 0
21 | | 0 0
22 | | 0 0
23 | | 1 0
24 | | 0 0
25 | | 0 0
26 | | 0 0
27 | | 0 0
28 | | 0 0
29 | | 0 0
30 | | 0 0
31 | | 0 0
32 | | 1 1
33 | | 0 0 DCT2xxx cablebox serial control
34 | | 1 1
35 | | 1 1 'save disk space' menu enable
36 | | 0 0
   | | | |_ sony SA
   | | |___ philips SA
   | |_____ sony DTV
   |_______ philips DTV
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />
ok, hughes Dtivo 2.5 box here
<br />

<br />
here's my group 31 values
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<br />
1001110011101111
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<br />
dunno what they mean (yet), but if anybody's got values from a sony or phillips at least we can compare and contrast...
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<br />
--
<br />
RileyNext up.. editing the resources using tivoweb.
<br />

<br />
Tivoweb comes with a nifty little module called the resource editor. Upon startup it scans your modules directory for resource definition files (*.res).
<br />

<br />
The format for the files is
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
&lt;version prefix&gt;
<br />
&lt;category name&gt; &lt;item name&gt; &lt;group #&gt; &lt;item #&gt;
<br />
&lt;category name&gt; &lt;item name&gt; &lt;group #&gt; &lt;item #&gt;
<br />
....
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Example:
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>tvhack.res</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
<pre>
2.5
test test0  31  0
test test1  31  1
test test2  31  2
test test3  31  3
test test4  31  4
test test5  31  5
test test6  31  6
test test7  31  7
test test8  31  8
test test9  31  9
test test10 31 10
test test11 31 11
test test12 31 12
test test13 31 13
test test14 31 14
test test15 31 15
test test16 31 16
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Restart tivoweb, you should have a new 'test' category under the Resource Editor. There's not an individual submit button for each field so just just enter in the box after you've changed the value. Afterwards be sure to go back a page and hit 'update resources' to remove the resource cache files and reboot.
<br />

<br />
*** NOTE: be sure to note down the defaults before changing them ***
<br />

<br />
test0-test16 in the above should map to rows 0-16 of the table in the original post.Background:
<br />
In /SwSystem/ACTIVE you'll find a set of ResourceGroup's each containg a number of ResourceItems along with a 'CompressedFile'. Each resource Item is a constant or toggle, and the items are grouped into categories by function with a CompressedFile acting as a cache for all items in that category.
<br />

<br />
Ok, that was confusing, this will help explain it.
<br />

<br />
<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# 2002, embeem

EnableTransactionHoldoff true

set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set swsysa [db $db open &quot;/SwSystem/ACTIVE&quot;]
  set resgrp [dbobj $swsysa get ResourceGroup]
  set groupn 0
  foreach group $resgrp {
     set items [dbobj $group get Item]
     set itemn 0
     foreach item $items {
       puts &quot;$groupn $itemn [dbobj $item get &quot;String&quot;]&quot;
       incr itemn
     }
     incr groupn
  }
}
</pre>
<br />

<br />
Running this code you'll get a list of items like
<br />
<pre>
0 0 {No rating.}
0 1 {Rated G.}
0 2 {Rated PG.}
0 3 {Rated PG-13.}
0 4 {Rated R.}
0 5 {Rated X.}
0 6 {Rated NC-17.}
...
</pre>
<br />
columns are &lt;group #&gt; &lt;item #&gt; &lt;data&gt;
<br />

<br />
(The fsid numbers numbers will vary but the order will be constant, hence the numbering above)
<br />

<br />
Somewhere around group 31 you'll see they're distinctly different. Instead of string constants and random values you have a large chunk with the values set to 1's and 0's. This is where tivo toggles specific sets of features, typically the value added things such as the ability of sony units to control sony vcrs.
<br />

<br />
The following table shows all 36 values found in mfs for 3.0 (listed in order)
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Default 'toggle' values</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
<pre>
00 1 1 1 1
01 0 1 0 1 sony vcr control
02 0 1 0 1 remote (sony toggle)
03 1 0 1 0 remote (philips toggle)
04 1 1 1 1
05 1 1 1 1
06 0 1 0 0 remote (??)
07 0 0 0 0
08 1 0 1 0
09 1 0 1 0
10 1 0 0 0
11 0 1 0 1
12 1 1 0 0
13 1 1 0 0
14 1 1 0 0
(end 2.0 resources)
15 1 1 1 1
16 1 1 0 0
(end 2.5 resources)
17 | | 0 0
18 | | 0 1
19 | | 0 0
20 | | 0 0
21 | | 0 0
22 | | 0 0
23 | | 1 0
24 | | 0 0
25 | | 0 0
26 | | 0 0
27 | | 0 0
28 | | 0 0
29 | | 0 0
30 | | 0 0
31 | | 0 0
32 | | 1 1
33 | | 0 0 DCT2xxx cablebox serial control
34 | | 1 1
35 | | 1 1 'save disk space' menu enable
36 | | 0 0
   | | | |_ sony SA
   | | |___ philips SA
   | |_____ sony DTV
   |_______ philips DTV
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />
on my philips dsr6000 dtivo i didn't notice any changes in the menus anywhere after changing bits 7-16.  maybe i overlooked something.  it could be that i overlooked something or that these control something behind the scenes, extra backdoors, or do absolutely nothing at all.
<br />

<br />
my default values were the same as rc3105's.On a Phillips SA the values were in group 30.  Item 0 appears to be related to the serial number.  The other items are:
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
30 1 1
<br />
30 2 0
<br />
30 3 0
<br />
30 4 1
<br />
30 5 1
<br />
30 6 1
<br />
30 7 0
<br />
30 8 0
<br />
30 9 1
<br />
30 10 1
<br />
30 11 0
<br />
30 12 0
<br />
30 13 0
<br />
30 14 0
<br />
30 15 0
<br />
30 16 1
<br />
30 17 0
<br />
30 18 0
<br />
30 19 0
<br />
30 20 0
<br />
30 21 0
<br />
30 22 0
<br />
30 23 0
<br />
30 24 1
<br />
30 25 0
<br />
30 26 0
<br />
30 27 0
<br />
30 28 0
<br />
30 29 0
<br />
30 30 0
<br />
30 31 0
<br />
30 32 0
<br />
30 33 1
<br />
30 34 0
<br />
30 35 1
<br />
30 36 1
<br />
30 37 0
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<br />
JohnI'm not terribly interested in the inital values; for the most part those were documented by the table in the first post. When I say to document their inital settings this is just for your own purposes as there's no button for 'reset to defaults'.
<br />

<br />
<b>What does each item mean?</b>
<br />

<br />
Toggle a few dozen items, reboot, go through the menus; see if you see a difference. If you do then try to narrow down which item caused that. Some may add a new menu item in the middle of nowhere, others may affect back door codes; I really don't know.
<br />

<br />
I want to be able to fill in the table and say specifically what each item does.For some reason, your item numbers off by one relative to mine (my first item -- item 0 -- is a string like jnk27 reported).  But,
<br />
for the purpose of this post, I'll use your numbering scheme.
<br />

<br />
I observed the following in the tivoapp disassembly:
<br />

<br />
Item 12: If 1, then something related to &quot;Advanced Program Guide&quot; is reported.
<br />

<br />
Item 13: If 1, then &quot;Dolby Digital&quot; is reported.
<br />

<br />
Item 14: If 1, then &quot;DIRECTV Multi-Sat&quot; is reported.
<br />

<br />
Item 16: If 1, then &quot;2 Tuners (Record/Record): %s&quot; is reported (where %s is either &quot;enabled&quot; or &quot;not enabled&quot;).
<br />

<br />
Item 32: Something to do with whether Guided Setup is run.
<br />

<br />
MuscleNerd: Yes, they move around slightly between versions; 3.0 added some odd string which offsets the binary values by one. Regardless of the position the order seems to be constant.
<br />

<br />
I'm still looking for the one that reenables teachtivo under 3.0 <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />

<br />
(side note: curious what you used to disassemble)I used objdump to get the raw disassembly.  Then I annotated it with the strings from .rodata and MFS.  After that, it becomes a matter of walking through the code, annotating it with comments, figuring out what individual routines do, giving those routines names, and re-annotating the listing with those names where appropriate.
<br />
Would it be possible to have a Sony SA listen to the Philips SA remote codes just by changing these resources?
<br />

<br />
I would try it, but I don't have telnet access to it anymore (tivonet it in the combo).Would it be possible to have a Sony SA listen to the Philips SA remote codes just by changing these resources?
<br />

<br />
I would try it, but I don't have telnet access to it anymore (tivonet is in the combo).<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jamus wrote on Wed, 11 September 2002 20:56</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Would it be possible to have a Sony SA listen to the Philips SA remote codes just by changing these resources?
<br />

<br />
I would try it, but I don't have telnet access to it anymore (tivonet is in the combo).<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Yep done that already
<br />

<br />
2=0
<br />
3=1
<br />
6=1
<br />

<br />
hint: set both remote addresses to 1 beforehandI use the following script to spawn bash repeatedly with
<br />
job control:
<br />

<br />
#!/bin/bash
<br />

<br />
export HOME=/var/hack
<br />
cd $HOME
<br />

<br />
exec 0&lt;&gt;/dev/ttyS3 1&gt;&amp;0 2&gt;&amp;1
<br />
stty sane
<br />
set -m
<br />
while : ; do
<br />
    bash -login
<br />
doneok, I see 4 stages of sophistication in editing shows for archiving / re-insert
<br />

<br />
#1 - GENERAL CONVERSION:
<br />
extract, split, mux, transcode into some easily editable format (or wait for jdiner or faye to &quot;perfect&quot; a converter that ouputs files that work with standard editors)
<br />

<br />
#2 - PREVIEW &amp; GENERATE CUT POINT LIST:
<br />
extract, split/mux, preview &amp; set cutpoints, chop up extracted file creating tystream segments for further processing
<br />

<br />
#3 - INTELLIGENT EXTRACT:
<br />
an extract util that has the features of #2 but only extracts requested segments
<br />

<br />
#4 - FULL BLOWN EDITOR
<br />
in-tivo interface option, the ability to copy just selected segments to a new now showing entry and/or to &quot;defrag&quot; undesirable segments to the end of the show or just flat out delete them
<br />

<br />

<br />
stage 1, we allready have the utils to do this, YMMV
<br />

<br />
stage 2, can and is being done by hand, has been mostly automated by myself and some others - still needs a decent interface and serious optomization.  I have an interface in mind, but not coded yet.  I'll post a jpeg fairly soon.   
<br />

<br />
stage 3, I've done some of this in &quot;proof of concept&quot; mode, basically my stage 2 routines getting preview frames directly from the tivo instead of from an allready extracted file.  presently I just generate the cut point list while the complete file is being extracted, then post process to slice up the file.  
<br />

<br />
stage 4, program flow worked out, done by hand from command promt, nothing coded yet except re-usable modules from stages 1-3
<br />

<br />

<br />
comments?  suggestions?  volunteers? 
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileythis doesn't aim to do anything you can't do with 2 vcr's and WAY too much spare time
<br />

<br />
it just does it much more easily
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />
I'm working on a new version of Playitsam
<br />
(<a href="http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Playitsam/" target="_blank">http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Playitsam/</a>)
<br />
which will internally convert tystream chunks into groups of pictures and their associated audio records. From there, editing on GOPs is trivial. Once I learn how a multiplexed MPEG stream is made, it should be easy to then convert directly to MPEG.
<br />

<br />
In terms of editing and re-inserting into the TiVo, that would
<br />
involve rewriting the chunks and altering the master chunk at
<br />
the beginning of each 4096 chunks. Someone else can do that!well, it's pretty obvious people much smarter than myself are allready farther along here
<br />

<br />
(not exactly unexpected)
<br />

<br />
guess I'll focus on a nice neat front end for a stage 2 editor
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyHeres a script that will dump the recording mfs object content, and its relavent subobjects to stdout in an XML format.
<br />

<br />
Specific subobjects and attributes excluded are ActualShowing, Index*, Version, File, and *Server*, as none of them are necessary.
<br />
Heres a script that will dump the recording mfs object content, and its relavent subobjects to stdout in an XML format.
<br />

<br />
Specific subobjects and attributes excluded are ActualShowing, Index*, Version, File, and *Server*, as none of them are necessary.
<br />

<br />
EDIT: Minor update to the script, we now strip out curly brackets from variables that have spaces.
<br />
Heres a script that will dump the recording mfs object content, and its relavent subobjects to stdout in an XML format.
<br />

<br />
Specific subobjects and attributes excluded are ActualShowing, Index*, Version, File, and *Server*, as none of them are necessary.
<br />

<br />
EDIT: Minor update to the script, we now strip out curly brackets from variables that have spaces.
<br />
Here's a tiny script that will list the fsids and sizes of all parts given a showing fsid.  (to be integrated into mfs_tarstream or anything else)
<br />
<pre>
bash-2.02# ./GetPartFsids.tcl 273496
280406/536870912 280407/536870912 280410/536870912 280414/536870912 280417/536870912 280436/536870912 280668/486539264
</pre>
<br />
PS  AlphaWolf, line 45 of your dumprec.tcl should be modified so that it surrounds the type attribute with quotes (required for valid XML)
<br />
<pre>
    puts $outFile [format &quot;%s%s %s &quot; $spaces &lt;Object type=\&quot;$objType\&quot;&gt;]
</pre>
<br />
Data between tags also needs to have &amp;, &lt; and &gt; characters escaped to their &amp;amp; &amp;lt; and &amp;gt; representations.  i only pretend to know tcl, presumably that's easy.Heres a script that will dump the recording mfs object content, and its relavent subobjects to stdout in an XML format.
<br />

<br />
Specific subobjects and attributes excluded are ActualShowing, Index*, Version, File, and *Server*, as none of them are necessary.
<br />

<br />
EDIT: Minor update to the script, we now strip out curly brackets from variables that have spaces.
<br />

<br />
EDIT2: Oops, I did put quotes around the type tag at first, dunno what happened...oh well, fixed.
<br />

<br />
Also FYI, the usage of this script is &quot;dumprec.tcl &lt;FSID&gt;&quot;, where FSID is the recording FSID of the showing you need.
<br />
I downloaded the latest compiler and installed it on Mandrake Linux 8.2. I then attempted to build the tivovbi project, and got the following error:<br />
<br />
/home/tivodev/root/powerpc-TiVo-linux/include/linux/config.h :4 linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory<br />
<br />
Can anyone give me a hand here how to fix this?<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>ppchacker wrote on Tue, 27 August 2002 18:00</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
There are some nasty alignment issues I won't go in to, except to note that &quot;size&quot;, although a count of bytes, is always a multiple of 4.  This doesn't work well for e.g., D-TV normal audio packets which are always 587 bytes long.  This leads to some 0-byte stuffing issues, which is why on the Dtivo the index into the audio bit-stream is close, but not perfect.<br></td></tr></table>
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<i>close</i> isn't a good description.  I've been examining tystreams from my dtivo and notice that 2/c0 type records rarely line up at all; they seem more like a stream event indicator than a record specifier.
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<pre>video at 0x2f4 of size 0x410 type 2/e0
video at 0x704 of size 0x4 type 2/e0
audio at 0x708 of size 0x248 type 3/c0
start code found 0x0 bytes ahead
data: (00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00)  00 00 01 c0  02 45 21 02  e9 ba 21 ff  fd a4 60 33  33 33 44 44  44 44 44 44
audio at 0x950 of size 0x24c type 3/c0
start code found 0x3 bytes ahead
data: (64 9a 21 4c  6a e9 12 8a)  80 00 00 00  00 01 c0 02  45 21 02 e9  cb 01 ff fd  a4 60 33 33  33 44 33 43
audio at 0xb9c of size 0x110 type 3/c0
start code found 0x2 bytes ahead
data: (f5 6f 1b 6b  b2 b4 26 e0)  00 00 00 00  01 c0 02 45  21 02 e9 db  e1 ff fd a4  60 33 33 33  54 44 44 44
audio at 0xcac of size 0x13c type 2/c0
start code found 0x13d bytes ahead
data: (d5 9d 51 24  2a 3b 40 a9)  ee 7e 9f ad  e3 8d 3e 4d  12 8c 00 96  19 08 c9 a6  de ad 6d d1  48 94 33 11
audio at 0xde8 of size 0x24c type 3/c0
start code found 0x1 bytes ahead
data: (aa 58 09 e6  80 00 00 00)  00 00 00 01  c0 02 45 21  02 e9 ec c1  ff fd a4 60  33 33 33 54  44 44 44 44
two byte CC/XDS index entry, no data included</pre>
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(data in parens is immediately before the offset)
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Of particular note is that the 0x110 + 0x13c lengths add up to 0x24c which is the typical (587 multiple of 4) length on most of the normal 3/c0 audio records.
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Is it true that they are always 587 bytes on dtivo?  Or does this vary with different bitrates?  I'll have to check that out later using the handy low bitrate RFD channel.  Anyone have anything with AC3 audio to check that on?
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Regardless the appropriate size for the stream at hand should be easily guessable after examining the first handful of audio records in a tystream part.
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autoconf.h is automatically generated durring kernel compile to indicate the current configuration. Grab the kernel sources; copy linux-2.1/arch/ppc to linux-2.1/.config and run &quot;make oldconfig&quot; and it'll be generated in linux-2.1/include/linux/autoconf.h . It's really only needed for kernel and module compilation so you can probably get away with just creating an empty file.
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Or you can just use the file attached ...That solved the problem! Thanks embeem.Hey all, just thought I'd point out this incase you hadn't already seen it -
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<a href="http://www.corruptdb.com/" target="_blank">http://www.corruptdb.com/</a>
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PHP module for tivoweb and some tystream import scripts
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... unfortunately it blatently rips off ideas and code posted here without any form of regongnition -- thoughts?So you wanna be a developer huh?
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Well, this is the place for it. We've already got some threads going about some pretty advanced topics but don't let that stop you from starting up your own threads. Anything of interest to developers is fair game; this probably isn't the place to run a beta test for your upcoming program though.
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PS. Please don't plagiarize informationer woa, that was out of nowhere...shows me what happens for all but dissapearing for a week <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> ...how well does it work? (er better yet, who is corruptdb if nobody minds me asking?)
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I haven't tried it yet, however I did speak to the author and asked that the code be marked as alpha/beta and that the CREDITS file be created to recognise some of the original work. He apologized stating that the code in question was not clearly marked and has since updated his webpage.
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He did ask if he should decist; I really don't know what to tell him. I'm not going to force him to do things the way we had been planning. I did ask that he communicate more though.well, it doesn't seem to like tivoweb 1.9.3
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guess I'll learn php so I can start debugging....
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Rileywell, it doesn't seem to like tivoweb 1.9.3
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guess I'll learn php so I can start debugging....
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Riley
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edit: ok, that was a waste of time.  nice idea though.  if we could just get gosquad to code it...   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> well, it doesn't seem to like tivoweb 1.9.3
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guess I'll learn php so I can start debugging....
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edit: ok, that was a waste of time.  nice idea though.  if we could just get gosquad to implement it...   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> I don't think things in his version were done quite as we envisioned it, but nevertheless, I wouldn't be against welcoming him into the fold here. I don't quite feel like its my call though...
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I don't think things in his version were done quite as we envisioned it, but nevertheless, I wouldn't be against welcoming him into the fold here. I don't quite feel like its my call though...
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EDIT:
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(sorry for not talking in IRC and just idling, I have a huge school project im working on, the forum makes it easier on my time because I can just drop a message and go)Can anyone point me to a list of all the known ioctl codes used with the mpeg decoder (CS22)? 
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The only one I know of is 0x0403 to display the OSD. I want to do other things to the OSD, like change its mode, link multiple bitmaps together, etc. Basically I want as much control as possible, which I can't get with just 0x0403.
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I've looked at px_hw.h, which contains #defines for CS22 registers, and I've looked at the CS22 manual (thanks embeem!). But I need to know how the ioctl codes map to valid CS22 commands, and I need to know all the ioctl codes for the mpeg device.
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Any help would as always be appreciated.A related question; I assume ioctl is simply the way the TiVo software talks to the hardware, correct? I mean, there's nothing stopping me from accessing the MPEG registers directly, right? Has anyone experimented with this yet?I know that there's a lot of people coming to this site from various mentions on tivocommunity (AVS) and other sites like dealdatebase and others people that have been just lurking on the site for months now.
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Welcome -
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This site is geared towards all things involved with writing and developing software (or hardware) for the tivo.
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Does this mean that you have to be a developer to participate?
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heck no! This site is to encourage development; all that we ask is that you be interested in the development process and participate in some of the discussions. I want everyone here to take part in a discussion even if it's only to point out a flaw in the theory/logic/implementation. Get involved; communicate; no lurking.
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<b>The strings:</b>
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I don't want this to become a support site. If there's a problem with your tivo or you don't have the foggiest clue on how to hack it then there's other sites for you. If the problem was directly caused by you experimenting with some of the stuff posted here and you think we should know about it then that's fair game, just don't be too surprised if you're expected to restore your tivo yourself.
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If you're worried that the subject falls borderline of what should or shouldn't be posted then I'd encourage you to post it anyways. Your post may be of interest to others; the worst that can happen is that it gets moderated out of existance. I really don't think anyone is going to flame you for trying.
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If you find any information posted on here useful then please give us credit for our involvment. Also, remeber that many of the programs posted here are 'works in progress' so please make arrangements with the author(s) before repackaging/redistributing them.
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<b>The IRC channel:</b>
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This forum does have a semi official IRC channel which is better for communicating some ideas and getting feedback. The channel is often very informal (understatement) but we do ask that when serious discussion picks up that you be respectful. Idling on the channel is allowed/expected lurking (not contributing) however is seen as disrespectful.
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<b>The &quot;FAQ&quot;</b>
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There is an faq for the forum over <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=5" target="_blank">here</a>; it's baiscally a recap of everything above but it's suggested that you read it aswell.
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<b>Comments?</b>
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I've said everything I wanted to say; feel free to add to it or comment on it.An ioctl is simply a method of giving commands to a kernel module. The name ioctl comes from the fact that traditionally they were used as controls to manipulate io devices. An ioctl does not get seen by the actual hardware as such.
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Anyways, you're in luck because I happen to have spent alot of time (more than I care to admit) experimenting with and documenting various ioctls. The following apply to any /dev/mpeg0* device and unless otherwise specified the data value -- ioctl(fd,command,data) -- is ignored and should be set to 0
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>mbm's list of ioctls (patent pending)</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><font face="courier">
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0x3E8 = mpeg resume
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0x3E9 = mpeg pause
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0x3ED = frame advance
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0x3EE = stop ?
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0x3EF = resume ?
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0x3F0 = stop ?
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0x3F1 = video sync off (video paused, audio continues)
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0x3F2 = 351 (decimal) while live, 0 while menu ?
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<b>0x3F3 = osd on
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0x3F4 = osd off</b>
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0x3F5 = play only key frames ? (0x3e8 cancels)
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0x3F7 = slow motion, larger data values are slower
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<b>0x3F8 = audio sync off
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0x3F9 = audio sync on</b>
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0x3FB = set timestamp command (see below)
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0x3FD = get timestamp (pts?), divide by 90000 for offset from start of buffer (in seconds)
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0x403 = MPEG_OSD_WRITE; data is pointer to struct (see osd.c)
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0x404 = osd link address (chain multiple osd segments togather; see cs22 manual)
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0x406 = MPEG_OSD_ANIMATE (see manual)
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0x408 = MPEG_INT_MASK_WRITE
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<b>0x413 = rf passthru (used in standby), arg is 0/1 (disbale/enable)
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0x41B = blank video (black screen)
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0x41C = unblank video
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0x421 = output disable (turn off audio/video)
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0x422 = output enable
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0x425 = audio off
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0x426 = audio on
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</b></font><br></td></tr></table>Hey thanks embeem.
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Ok, I get that ioctl communicates with a module or driver, that in turn communicates with the hardware. But is it possible to bypass ioctl and, for instance, drive the OSD by writing/reading the CS22 registers directly? If possible, what is involved in doing this? I mean, is the MPEG chip memory mapped, or is the interface via I2C, etc? I saw a posting on the Underground forum allude to an I2C interface for the CS22, but it was never clarified.The registers of the cs22 are mapped to protected memory, the actual osd buffer is not; module probably communicates with it over i2c.
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You can bypass the module to a certain extent and communicate with the device on i2c (see tridge's dir on tivo.samba.org/download for some c programs dealing with i2c) but you need to take care that you're not interrupting the communication between the module and hardware and that you don't leave the hardware in an unexpected state and crash the module. I'd say to stick to the ioctls, avoiding direct communication unless there's really something you can't do otherwise.Hello,
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Well I experienced this situation where the tivo stops responding to events such as the remote, tivoweb, and showing delete prompt at end of show.  It will keep recording or playing though and you can still log in via telnet.  I have posted and read a bunch of posts on TC.com and others are having the same problems.  It seems to be a problem with having telnet and tivoweb running.  People have experienced it most frequently with running both, but also with only running one or the other.  Maybe also with running other things.  Also thoughts that certain tivoweb modules (screen and phone) cause this problem, but removing these does not stop the problem.  
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I thought I would post this here to see if anyone had any ideas about how to determine where the problem is.  The only thing I can think of is somehow the interupts are being masked, but then I don't know if there is an interupts when you make a telnet connection.    
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The only other Theory so far comes from Zirak(TCS) on TC.com and he says:
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   <table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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I have opined in other threads that there is a bug in the 3.0 event manager which is the cause. Empirical evidence suggests that the busier the tivo, the more likely an occurrence. Additionally, I suspect that running more processes that monitor tivo events exacerbates the problem. Both tivoweb and TCS monitor events. 
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Another interesting post said their tivo locked up, and they just left it and went to bed, and the tivo rebooted itself by the morning.  So they thought maybe the tivo had a way of determining if it was in this state. 
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Any ideas?
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CP
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Also some have run strace on tivoweb when tivoweb wont respond and this is what is output:
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nanosleep(0x7fffe8e8, 0, 0, 0x1, 0x7ffff148) = 0
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nanosleep(0x7fffe8e8, 0, 0, 0x1, 0x7ffff148) = 0
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...
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I apologize in advance if this post is a bit too much like tech support. I am also sorry to bring up a subject that is probably a bit sore around here (Tivo PHP), but I want this functionality so bad I can taste it!
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Anyway, I downloaded WebPHP, installed it and all is well except for the MySQL server... I would like to get one going on my WindowsXP machine so I downloaded the Windows version of MySQL for their site and installed it but something must not be quite right because the Tivo won't connect -- it says access denied even though I double checked the passwords and login. So I have a question or two...
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Has anyone tried this who can give me an idea of what to try next? Also, do you think it would be possible to develop a Linux boot cd that will set up MySQL on an old computer or something (a kind of plug and play media server)?
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Any thoughts you have would be cool...So the first 520 bytes of the region buffer is reserved, 8 bytes for header and 512 bytes for color palette. The ioctl will use the TiVo palette and header if what we supply is 0? What if I specify my own header values (ie, link address, start row, or start column). Will the header TiVo uses be trashed? What about if I specify my own color palette?
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You indicated that ioctl 0x404 is the osd_link_addr. Does setting this value automatically set the BMLA bit in the mode register? I guess I'm confused about what I need to do to chain multiple bitmaps together. I've read the CS22 spec, but I'm not sure how that maps to the known ioctl's, and maybe it doesn't.
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Maybe a concrete example would help. Let's say I have a graphic widget that draws a filled oval at specified coordinates and color and orientation (horiz or vert). I want to draw one oval horiz across the middle of the screen. I also want to draw an oval vertical in the middle, so that the vertical overlaps the horizontal in the middle. I choose to define two separate bitmap regions for this (which happen to intersect). Let's say for the sake of argument that the TiVo colors are cool. Drawing one oval is fine, but what about the other one? How do I create the second bitmap and link it to the first? (Disclaimer: you may say &quot;this is a stupid example, why would you want to do that? I'm only using this example to illustrate a point.)
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Or is what I'm asking not possible with what is currently known about the ioctl's on the TiVo? 
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The 0x403 ioctl can be thought of as a glorified memcpy that overwrites the private cs22 osd buffer. The amount of space used by the osd is a function of the screen resolution and desired color depth; generally starting at offset=0 in the private cs22 buffer. With the 0x403 ioctl you specify three things:
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int start
int length
void *data
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If you set the start to 0 then it will start overwriting at offset=0 in the private cs22 buffer; this means that you can overwrite the header (change resolution, color depth) and the palette and infact if you trace myworld performing a 0x403 ioctl you will see it making several calls like:
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start=0    length=8   data=...
start=8    length=512 data=...
start=...  length=... data=...
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first setting up the header, then the palette before finally writing the osd data. If you want to, you can do this too, you just need to keep in mind that any data not overwritten will still be there. This works to an advantage for programs such as tivovbi which try to coexist with the normal user interface because it means that we can leave everything as is and just overwite a select portion of the screen. If you plan on chaning the resolution or the palette you'll find the same thing to be a nuisance since you'll get garbage on the screen if you don't clear away everything which may be interpreted as part of that osd segment.
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As far as the link address scheme I really haven't had the oppertunity or desire to play with it. My undstanding is that you write two complete osd image into the buffer and then link them togather; this is really only needed when you want to link two sections of differing resolution or color palettes. There's also some odd restrictions like the fact the osd segments can't be on the same horizonal level; ie they can't share any of the same scanlines. This means that your example of two overlapping ovals could not be done as separate segments and would have to be done as one single image of twp already overlapped ovals. To this end I suggest that you keep your own copy of the osd buffer (or atleast the segment you're using) draw an oval in it, update the screen and while not clearing your buffer draw another oval and update the screen with your new buffer containing the combined image.
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(the best way to learn more of this stuff would be to play with it, you'll learn it better than I can explain it)It's not specific to 3.0 and knowing that it's in nanospeed is almost useless if you don't know how the nanosleep got called.
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You can do 'kill -SIGUSR2 &lt;pid&gt;' and get a stack dump, but you'd need to know which routines the addresses belong to if you hoped to accomplish anything with them. If you do 'set ::tcl_traceExec 2' at the top of your script you'll get tons of debugging information such as the following
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>trace fragment</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
Executing ByteCode 0x7fa85298, ref ct 2, epoch 0, interp 0x7f8991e8(epoch 0)
  Source: &quot;return \&quot;/adams.css\&quot;&quot;
  Cmds 1, chars 19, inst 7, objs 2, aux 0, stk depth 2, code/src 9.68n  Code 184 = 100(header)+7(inst)+64(objs)+0(exc)+0(aux)+4(cmd map)
  Starting stack top=33
13: (4) invoking &quot;return&quot; &quot;/adams.css&quot; 
11: (498) invoking &quot;regexp&quot; &quot;-nocase&quot; &quot;/([^/]+)\.(A-Z&quot; &quot;/adams.css&quot; &quot;dummy&quot; &quot;filename&quot; &quot;suffix&quot; 
11: (516) invoking &quot;lsearch&quot; &quot;js css png&quot; &quot;css&quot; 
11: (537) invoking &quot;lindex&quot; &quot;{text/javascrip&quot; &quot;1&quot; 
11: (541) invoking &quot;lindex&quot; &quot;text/css . 0 se&quot; &quot;3&quot; 
11: (569) invoking &quot;serve_file&quot; &quot;sock36&quot; &quot;adams.css&quot; &quot;0&quot; &quot;1027276402&quot; 
Calling proc &quot;serve_file&quot; &quot;sock36&quot; &quot;adams.css&quot; &quot;0&quot; &quot;1027276402&quot; 
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note the address of the routine given, it will be an address within the mempool associated with that tivosh process. This means that you can either log the complete output of the above and use it directly or in conjunction with the SIGUSR2 dump.
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(or you can dump the mempool segment and try to map it out ...)Posting a few notes incase someone is looking for ideas to play with.
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The tivo seems to do inter process communication through the use of shared memory in addition to the event switcher. In early versions the shared memory was done by way of mmap()'ing a file stored in temp but these days they use shm segments.
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When you startup tivosh it'll create a private pool which can be referenced as pool0. For the most part you can use it just like any other file descriptor but there's a few pool specific tivosh commands:
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usage: pool allocate [-force {-name &lt;POOLNAME&gt;} {-size &lt;SIZEINBYTES&gt;}]
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usage: pool attach &lt;POOLNAME&gt;
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; address
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; size
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; dump
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; registery &lt;ITEMNO&gt;
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usage: pool &lt;CHANNEL&gt; info
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They're pretty self explainitory, you can do things like &quot;gets pool0 string&quot; and &quot;close pool0&quot; just to mess with tivosh. You can also allocate new pools and dump various obscure statistics on the pools. The only one I really can't make much sense out of is the registery command; nomatter what &lt;ITEMNO&gt; I give it I just get a 'not such item' error.
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As for the 'pool attach' command, that'll look in /tmp for &lt;POOLNAME&gt;.mpkey which contains a 12 byte description of the shm segment to be used:
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void * address (4 bytes)
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int size (4 bytes)
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int key (4 bytes)
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I should note at this point that not all pools create a mpkey, most pools are private. The only pools I've ever noticed in /tmp are Osd, TvFont, fsmem and mom.
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Objectives:
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Understand the purpose of the mempools and design an interface from C
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Well, designing an interface from C isn't very hard:
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#include &lt;stdio.h&gt;
#include &lt;fcntl.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/ipc.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/shm.h&gt;
#include &lt;errno.h&gt;

unsigned buf[3];

int main(int argc, char **argv) {
        int fd;
        struct shmid_ds shm;

        if (argc&lt;2) exit(0);
        fd = open(argv[1],O_RDONLY);
        read(fd,buf,12);
        close(fd);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;ADDRESS: %08x\n&quot;,buf[0]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;   SIZE: %08x\n&quot;,buf[1]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;    KEY: %08x\n&quot;,buf[2]);

        fd = shmget(buf[2],0,0);
        if (fd &lt; 0) {
                fd = buf[2];
        }
        shmctl(fd, IPC_STAT, &amp;shm);
        shmat(fd, (void *)buf[0], 0);
        {
                int x;
                unsigned char *c=(unsigned char *)buf[0];
                for (x=0;x&lt;buf[1];x++)
                {
                      if (x%8==0) printf(&quot; &quot;);
                      if (x%(2*8)==0) printf(&quot;\n%08x  &quot;,x);
                      printf(&quot;%02x &quot;,(c++)[0]);
                }
                printf(&quot;\n&quot;);

        }
        shmdt((void *)buf[0]);
}
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I haven't yet figured out the format or purpose though. The original thought was that memory addresses were being shared by event switcher to send data which would not otherwise fit into an event however inital experiments in that direction haven't come up with anything.I just want to formally apologize to everyone involved for releasing the code in this thread without permission.  I realize now that it was the wrong thing to do.  I assure you there was no malicious intent, I am just a thoughtless bastard.  If you would like to flame/curse/slap me, please send an email or PM, I hate to divert the main topic of this forum.  Once again, I'm sorry and hope nobody is severely pissed at me over this. CorruptDb: I think you really ought to post something on avs to clarify the situation; they saw all the flames but they never saw you really respond the issue publically. Perhaps you could explain why the credits file was added?
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Anyways; I'd love to hear your thoughts on our implementation ideas.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Wed, 02 October 2002 20:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>CorruptDb: I think you really ought to post something on avs to clarify the situation; they saw all the flames but they never saw you really respond the issue publically. Perhaps you could explain why the credits file was added?
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Done.  It can be found <a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=733030#post733030" target="_blank"> here</a>.  I hope you have some time on your hands, it got pretty long <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> CorruptDb:
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thanks for the public clarification.  
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on a slightly more cheerfull topic...
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are you exporting shows as one large file or multiple parts?  
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are you correctly exporting / saving the first chunk or corrupting / discarding it like tytool does?
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Hi, 
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I was looking for a solution for streaming recorded shows from TiVo to other computers on my home network so I can watch them on my computer. I finially came across a program called Playitsam which would allow me to do that on my Linux (or any other unix) box, and it's a fairly straitforward process with acceptable quality and result.
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The funtionality of the program is very limited right now. For example, it would not allow you to fast forward/rewind, or even stop the play, nor do the audio and video in perfect sync. HOwever, it's pretty cool already. 
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I didn't find much information on this anywhere, so I write down some simple notes on how to do this to share.
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Here we go: 
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<a href="http://leinux.stanford.edu/tivo/tivostreaming.html" target="_blank">http://leinux.stanford.edu/tivo/tivostreaming.html</a>
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Just want to clarify that I didn't write this program. So, any questions regarding the program should be directed to the  author.I know that there's a lot of people coming to this site from various mentions on tivocommunity (AVS) and other sites like dealdatebase and others people that have been just lurking on the site for months now.
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Welcome -
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This site is geared towards all things involved with writing and developing software (or hardware) for the tivo.
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Does this mean that you have to be a developer to participate?
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heck no! This site is to encourage development; all that we ask is that you be interested in the development process and participate in some of the discussions. I want everyone here to take part in a discussion even if it's only to point out a flaw in the theory/logic/implementation. Get involved; communicate; no lurking.
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<b>The strings:</b>
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I don't want this to become a support site. If there's a problem with your tivo or you don't have the foggiest clue on how to hack it then there's other sites for you. If the problem was directly caused by you experimenting with some of the stuff posted here and you think we should know about it then that's fair game, just don't be too surprised if you're expected to restore your tivo yourself.
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If you're worried that the subject falls borderline of what should or shouldn't be posted then I'd encourage you to post it anyways. Your post may be of interest to others; the worst that can happen is that it gets moderated out of existance. I really don't think anyone is going to flame you for trying.
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If you find any information posted on here useful then please give us credit for our involvment. Also, remeber that many of the programs posted here are 'works in progress' so please make arrangements with the author(s) before repackaging/redistributing them.
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<b>The IRC channel:</b>
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This forum does have a semi official IRC channel which is better for communicating some ideas and getting feedback. The channel is often very informal (understatement) but we do ask that when serious discussion picks up that you be respectful. Idling on the channel is allowed/expected lurking (not contributing) however is seen as disrespectful.
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<b>The &quot;FAQ&quot;</b>
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There is an faq for the forum over <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=5" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>; it's baiscally a recap of everything above but it's suggested that you read it aswell.
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<b>Comments?</b>
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I've said everything I wanted to say; feel free to add to it or comment on it.I know that there's a lot of people coming to this site from various mentions on tivocommunity (AVS) and other sites like dealdatebase and others people that have been just lurking on the site for months now.
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Welcome -
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This site is geared towards all things involved with writing and developing software (or hardware) for the tivo.
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Does this mean that you have to be a developer to participate?
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heck no! This site is to encourage development; all that we ask is that you be interested in the development process and participate in some of the discussions. I want everyone here to take part in a discussion even if it's only to point out a flaw in the theory/logic/implementation. Get involved; communicate; no lurking.
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<b>The strings:</b>
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I don't want this to become a support site. If there's a problem with your tivo or you don't have the foggiest clue on how to hack it then there's other sites for you. If the problem was directly caused by you experimenting with some of the stuff posted here and you think we should know about it then that's fair game, just don't be too surprised if you're expected to restore your tivo yourself.
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If you're worried that the subject falls borderline of what should or shouldn't be posted then I'd encourage you to post it anyways. Your post may be of interest to others; the worst that can happen is that it gets moderated out of existance. I really don't think anyone is going to flame you for trying.
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If you find any information posted on here useful then please give us credit for our involvment. Also, remeber that many of the programs posted here are 'works in progress' so please make arrangements with the author(s) before repackaging/redistributing them.
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<b>The IRC channel:</b>
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This forum does have a semi official IRC channel which is better for communicating some ideas and getting feedback. The channel is often very informal (understatement) but we do ask that when serious discussion picks up that you be respectful. Idling on the channel is allowed/expected lurking (not contributing) however is seen as disrespectful.
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<b>The &quot;FAQ&quot;</b>
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There is an faq for the forum over <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=5" target="_blank">here</a>; it's baiscally a recap of everything above but it's suggested that you read it aswell.
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I've said everything I wanted to say; feel free to add to it or comment on it.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2002 23:20</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>CorruptDb:
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thanks for the public clarification.  
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on a slightly more cheerfull topic...
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are you exporting shows as one large file or multiple parts?  
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are you correctly exporting / saving the first chunk or corrupting / discarding it like tytool does?
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I am using Tridge's original mfs_export to extract the parts individually.  The files are named &lt;part fsid&gt;-&lt;showing fsid&gt;-&lt;Title&gt;-&lt;Episode Title&gt;.ty.  The file names for each part are stored in the database.  When the show is imported back into MFS, I simply loop through the file list and create a part in the new showing object for each part that was originally extracted.  From what I understand, mfs_export makes an exact copy of the part, without altering or discarding the first chunk.  I was originally using mfs_stream and exporting only one ty file, but I was running into problems importing streams &gt; 512 MB and decided it would be better to just use mfs_export than to attempt to cut up the mfs_stream file on the part boundaries.
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I didn't know whether or not this bug was limited to 3.0, or not.  I don't recall ever seeing it in 2.5.1, certainly not frequently enough to remember it, if I had.  So, perhaps only the frequency has increased by 2+ orders of magnitude with 3.0.
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I think I will add the trace code to see what happens.  It might also be interesting to see if the process responds to the signal when hung.  &lt;shameless plug&gt;
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hmm...so far as credits go...
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twas my idea that got us started <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool">
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&lt;/shameless plug&gt;
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/me has a lot of school work ATM though
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I didn't know whether or not this bug was limited to 3.0, or not.  I don't recall ever seeing it in 2.5.1, certainly not frequently enough to remember it.  So, perhaps only the frequency has increased by 2+ orders of magnitude with 3.0.
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It seems more likely to occur if:
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I think I will add the trace code to see what happens.  It might also be interesting to see if the process responds to the signal when hung.  &lt;shameless plug&gt;
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hmm...so far as credits go...
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twas my idea that got us started, and embeems code which proved it was possible <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool">
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&lt;/shameless plug&gt;
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/me has a lot of school work ATM though
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&lt;shameless plug&gt;
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hmm...so far as credits go...
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twas my idea that got us started, and embeems code which proved it was possible <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool">
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&lt;/shameless plug&gt;
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/me has a lot of school work ATM though
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Also FYI we were working on getting the showing data in an XML layout, and we are including everything that the NowShowing has beyond the basics. Note the very last script I posted on the previous page. The script dumps that information, then the extraction binary sticks it in a plaintext file. Upon reinsertion, this is parsed and added to the mfs database.
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We were going to have all of the tystream parts, as well as the plaintext xml file be tarballed into one file, which simplifies the hell out of things for the user.&lt;shameless plug&gt;
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hmm...so far as credits go...
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twas my idea that got us started, and embeems code which proved it was possible <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool">
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&lt;/shameless plug&gt;
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CorruptDb: FYI we were working on getting the showing data in an XML layout, and we are including everything that the NowShowing has beyond the basics. Note the very last script I posted on the previous page. The script dumps that information, then the extraction binary sticks it in a plaintext file. Upon reinsertion, this is parsed and added to the mfs database.
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We were going to have all of the tystream parts, as well as the plaintext xml file be tarballed into one file, which simplifies the hell out of things for the user.It might be helpful if you could make a program that could cause the problem on cue.
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just some of my notes for later reference -
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<pre>BASE: 0x7F9FC000

OFFSET
0x00000000:   0xA6003E02 ;# magic
0x00000004:   0x00165000 ;# size
0x00000008: *(0x7F9FC6CC) -&gt; 0x00000000
0x0000000c: *(0x7F9FC790) -&gt; 0x03000008
0x00000010: *(0x7FA4278C) -&gt; 0x03000008
0x00000014:   0x00000200
0x00000018:   0x7FB61000 ;# end of shm segment
0x0000001c:   0x00000200
0x00000020: *(0x7F9FC7C8) -&gt; 0x7F9FC000 ; start of shm
0x00000024: *(0x7F9FC7A0) -&gt; 0x7F9FC000
0x00000028: *(0x7F9FC0DC) -&gt; 0x00000000
0x0000002c:   0x00000000
0x00000030: *(0x7F9FC0E0) -&gt; struct pool_info
0x00000034: *(0x7F9FCB00) -&gt; 0x7F9FC000
0x00000038:   0x00000000
0x0000003c:   0x00000000
0x00000040: &quot;tivosh&quot;     ;# pool name

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0x000000E0:   0x00000EF3 ;# nblocks
0x000000E4:   0x00036EAC ;# nbytes
0x000000E8:   0x00000F0B ;# maxblocks
0x000000Ec:   0x0003ED10 ;# maxbytes
0x000000F0:   0x00000000 ;# nchunks
0x000000F4:   0x00000000 ;# nchunkbytes
0x000000F8:   0x00000000 ;# maxchunks
0x000000Fc:   0x00000000 ;# maxchunkbytes</pre><br></td></tr></table>Any updates? Anyone? There are a lot of us anxiously watching this thread... Thanks.
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DerekIt's not abandoned yet, although another project did take away some of the inital steam. I think for the most part people are just too busy with real life; I know I am.Hey guys!  Sorry I got lost for a little while, I definitely got too busy with life.  Two hurricanes, a vacation, and a lot of catchup at the office makes me a dull boy.
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Anyway, I'm back.  I've successfully gotten the tarstream code working, but don't have it working multi-threaded just yet (only one movie at a time).
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I'll upload what I have for others to play with soon (I've got to pull everything back together).
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The unfunny thing is that is does - unless I got it wrong. I assume if  byte 0 &gt;&gt; 4  == 0x08 then we have a zero size record.<br />
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Attached small prog to make my point so to say.<br />
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Cheers OlafOk, as promised.  In the interest of keeping this thread alive and kicking, I'm posting what I have.  Its the stuff to download the tarred xml &amp; parts files.
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Please, read the readme, this is development version stuff, enjoy!
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tivodvlpr: thanks for posting that, i've been sitting on our tarstream stuff as well as i hadn't gotten around to doing any integration work.  good start.
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Personally I prefer to keep the webbrowser out of the loop for saving the archives.  Having it launch something similar to a &quot;mfs_tarstream -x ... | nc serverip 6900&quot; to send the data to a server listening on the host that will store it would be my preferred method.  Through browser streaming/saving is a good simple feature to keep for people who browse and save everything on one machine (many i'd assume).
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requiring a mysql server, adding another language and using a network filesystem are my real issues with it (but i didn't write it so i can't rightly complain <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">.
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I have a dtivo, which your showlist.tcl will not run on (because its 2.5.2 and a dtivo).  Since the php you compiled has XML parsing you could use a modified version of alphawolf's dumprec to get the data that showlist.tcl spits out in what i believe is a much more tivo software version agnostic manner; store records important for searching as database columns but always store the entire xml chunk as anothe record and use that when re-importing rather than reconstructing things from the database columns.
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            puts $outFile [format &quot;    %s%s&quot; $spaces &quot;&lt;FSID bytes=\&quot;$fsidbytes\&quot;&gt;$file&lt;/FSID&gt;&quot;]
 
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I prefer to avoid network filesystem access from the tivo or sending large streams of data through a web browser.  However that does save the work of writing a sever to accept and save streams. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>gps0 wrote on Tue, 15 October 2002 00:40</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>tivodvlpr: thanks for posting that, i've been sitting on our tarstream stuff as well as i hadn't gotten around to doing any integration work.  good start.
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Personally I prefer to keep the webbrowser out of the loop for saving the archives.  Having it launch something similar to a &quot;mfs_tarstream -x ... | nc serverip 6900&quot; to send the data to a server listening on the host that will store it would be my preferred method.  Through browser streaming/saving is a good simple feature to keep for people who browse and save everything on one machine (many i'd assume).
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The development tree has support to store the recording data in either MySQL or XML files.  I have also expanded the amount of data I store (and consequently the SQL DB structures).  Data is now stored in close to the same tree as it is in MFS, and is consequently much easier to import.  The functionality of the two methods should be close to the same, although the XML files will not have the searching and sorting capabilities that I can get with the MySQL server.  
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I have a dtivo, which your showlist.tcl will not run on (because its 2.5.2 and a dtivo).  Since the php you compiled has XML parsing you could use a modified version of alphawolf's dumprec to get the data that showlist.tcl spits out in what i believe is a much more tivo software version agnostic manner;
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showlist.tcl has been rewritten (and renamed to avoid confusion) in development, but I have no idea how well the new version will work on 2.x/Dtivos.  I used a slightly different method of getting the values (looping through a list of attributes, catching errors) that may be kinder when it encounters a missing value.  I also added support for outputting in XML, using a schema very similar to the one outputted by the script posted by AlphaWolf in the hopes that there can be interoperability.  
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If I did that then any edits made to the data for an exported show would not be imported back into MFS.  My experience so far is that MySQL is faster than using XML, since some of the work (disk accesses, sorting, etc.) is offloaded onto the server. 
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I prefer to avoid network filesystem access from the tivo or sending large streams of data through a web browser.  However that does save the work of writing a sever to accept and save streams. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">
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I have been looking into methods to insert the streams directly into the MySQL DB so that the fileserver requirement can be bypassed, but have not yet written any code to integrate it into my package.  Just spawing a netcat would be nice, but my application is designed to run directly on the Tivo and I would have to concoct a way to get the destination machine to spawn a netcat listener.  I have been having some problems with running out of kernel memory that may be related to nfs, I will most likely eventually code something so that I don't have to use it.And just because I love talking to myself ....
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#!/tvbin/tivosh
puts [format &quot;%08x&quot; [pool pool0 address]]
set size [pool pool0 size]
set fd [open &quot;/tmp/mem&quot; &quot;w&quot;]
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#!/tvbin/tivosh
set size [pool pool0 size]
set fd [open &quot;/tmp/mem&quot; &quot;r&quot;]
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puts -nonewline pool0 [read $fd $size]
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The dump script performs the same action as the c in the original post *yawn*. The load script attempts to replace the active mempool with the contents of the /tmp/mem file .. for obvious reasons overwriting the active memory causes segfaults.
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More notes coming later .. I hope someone else finds them of use<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>gps0 wrote on Tue, 15 October 2002 00:40</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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Personally I prefer to keep the webbrowser out of the loop for saving the archives.  Having it launch something similar to a &quot;mfs_tarstream -x ... | nc serverip 6900&quot; to send the data to a server listening on the host that will store it would be my preferred method.  Through browser streaming/saving is a good simple feature to keep for people who browse and save everything on one machine (many i'd assume).
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Personally, I find that the browser downloading is just so darn easy, I hate to have to run a listener on the client to retrieve the data from the server, etc.  If we want to do the above, that's fine, but I suggest the default be browser downloading, its just so darn easy.
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gps, if you look in the tcl code, you'll find that it shouldn't be too hard to have mulitple simultaneious streaming downloads from the tivo.  I disabled the code because it used temp files and I was having some problems with that.  But at one point I had 5 simultaneous streams downloading.  In the interest of getting something up here and sparking further development I posted what I had so far, but as soon as I get some time I'll get the multiple download working.
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for the extraction UI, I am thinking on the range of maybe we could add an action button to the nowshowing portion of the user interface module. Namely on the show description screen, there could be a &quot;Backup to local disk&quot; button.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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Yes it is simple (in my package, comment out 'wait $!' in mfs_queue_export), but I really don't see the point of it.  When I am exporting to the network it seems as if I am limited more by the TCP stack of the Tivo than I am by the number of streams I can export.  Even if I have 5 streams going at once, I can still only get about 1 MB/sec via NFS.  If I use netcat, I can get a little faster, but I am still limited by how fast the tivo can put out the data.  Since it is already recording to the disk, playing back from the disk and doing various other operations, I would think that it would be most efficient to extract one stream at a time, to avoid the extra head seeks incurred by extracting multiple streams.  I realize the DTivo has more processing power than my SA, but I still wouldn't think it would be faster or more efficient to simultaneously extract the streams.  TivoDvlpr, what kind of throughput are you getting while extracting single streams vs what you get extracting multiple streams?chunk size isn't set in stone
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Riley<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>DoctorW wrote on Fri, 13 September 2002 01:56</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I'm working on a new version of Playitsam
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(<a href="http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Playitsam/" target="_blank">http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Playitsam/</a>)
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which will internally convert tystream chunks into groups of pictures and their associated audio records. From there, editing on GOPs is trivial. Once I learn how a multiplexed MPEG stream is made, it should be easy to then convert directly to MPEG.
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In terms of editing and re-inserting into the TiVo, that would
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involve rewriting the chunks and altering the master chunk at
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the beginning of each 4096 chunks. Someone else can do that!<br></td></tr></table>
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That may very well not be too hard given what is documented about tystream structure so far. It could be as simple as somebody resizing the stream, altering the number of chunks listed, and &quot;viola!&quot; it works. Wont know til somebody tries it though... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...Any one looking at TY creation independant of ele2pestipple.  I ask because I'd like to use WepPHP to share streams between SAs and Dtivos.  I would guess you'd have to split them and rebuild them.
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Thanks<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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Any one looking at TY creation independant of ele2pestipple. I ask because I'd like to use WepPHP to share streams between SAs and Dtivos. I would guess you'd have to split them and rebuild them
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AFAIK, TivoDvlpr's mfs_import will insert a ty stream into mfs, regardless of the system (and assuming the DTivo stream is unscrambled).  If you just want to transfer shows, why go to the extra trouble of converting them to MPEG?  I don't have a DTivo and I could be way off on this, but it seems you could just insert the ty into the other machine no problem.  he wants to move streams from a SA to a DTivo.  
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you can directly insert a sa stream in a dtivo but there are enough differences that it's not gonna work.  sometimes it'll even reboot.  (yike!)
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if you split a dtivo or sa stream ele2pestriple may not necesarily be able to rebuild it.  a while back there was some discussion on &quot;cleaning&quot; mpeg for sa ele2pestriple insert but that's not my cup of tea.  I have dtivo's and mpeg2 capture cards.  
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I have found as a general rule that ele2pestriple REALLY wants &quot;standard&quot; mpeg files.  I generally &quot;clean&quot; mpeg to be inserted by transcoding it with an output data rate 20% higher than the input file or doing quality based compression at 100%.  
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the hdtv community has a util that converts mpeg into transport streams for transfer to s-vhs or playback.  with the proper specs it could be adapted to create tystreams.  it'd probably need to run pc-side though, not much horsepower available in the tivo.  
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not a lot of call for importing video, but I bought T2 back when it came out on vcd and it looks gooooood on the big sony via the dtivo.  I can also watch dvds or stuff archived to svcd that way.  Most video available online is in divx, and that's what I archive everything to.  To import I just stream divx -&gt; mpeg2 -&gt; split -&gt; ele2pestriple.  it's only about 20% slower than a direct insert and I get 1 hr down to about 200 meg on the server that way.
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RileyTO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
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I'm considering posting some scripts &amp; a modified mfsstream module for extracting/inserting tystreams.  
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I've gotten a LOT of pm/mail from peeps at dd &amp; avs forum asking howto.  I've given general info, told them to read some more and pointed them this way.  
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what I have so far that I'm thinking about releasing uses tivodvlpr's posted insert as-is and is primarily geared towards repairing / inserting tytool extracts.  
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questions / comments / objections / suggestions?
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RileyI don't see why not...are you generating a new master chunk? Or are you copying an old one from somewhere else? It would be best if you at least corrected the mc header.
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well, I was concerned about that for a while.  it's amazing in that it doesn't seem to care where the first 131072 bytes of the first inserted file came from as long as they were once the header of a tystream fsid.  
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identical hardware/software configs may contribute to that here.  the 4 dtivos here and the one 900 miles away on the other end of a cable modem are all running the same 2.5.1 sw.  all are taking sdd's but none have tried to update. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil"> I have to go into info and look at the source channel to tell if it originally came in from the sat, a different reciever, an old tytool extract or a transcoded divx file off the net.  
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new tytool extracts are inserting fine if extracted as parts and seem to be ok if large files are split into 4096 chunk pieces.  For this release I'll probably include some batch file(s) to segment/repair old tytool extracts with a generic header chunk.  
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In trying to pull things together to document it all for myself and a faq I realized that: 
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a. I need to take better notes
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b. I was rube goldberg in a previous life
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I don't want to get inundated with tech support requests.  I'm not going to post my current config / utils.  (can't remember specifics on half of 'em anyway) I'm thinking this will be 1 step up from bash control.  just something simple to stuff old shows back in. 
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Rileywell, I was concerned about that for a while.  it's amazing in that it doesn't seem to care where the first 131072 bytes of the first inserted file came from as long as they were once the header of a tystream fsid.  
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identical hardware/software configs may contribute to that here.  the 4 dtivos here and the one 900 miles away on the other end of a cable modem are all running the same 2.5.1 sw.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil">  I have to go into info and look at the source channel to tell if it originally came in from the sat, a different reciever, an old tytool extract or a transcoded divx file off the net.  
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new tytool extracts are inserting fine if extracted as parts and seem to be ok if large files are split into 4096 chunk pieces.  For this release I'll probably include some batch file(s) to segment/repair old tytool extracts with a generic header chunk.  
<br />

<br />
In trying to pull things together to document it all for myself and a faq I realized that: 
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<br />
a. I need to take better notes
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<br />
b. I was rube goldberg in a previous life
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<br />

<br />
I don't want to get inundated with tech support requests.  I'm not going to post my current config / utils.  (can't remember specifics on half of 'em anyway) I'm thinking this will be 1 step up from bash control.  just something simple to stuff old shows back in. 
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RileyI have been working on a way to possibly circumvent the event bug which makes use of mempools - experience to this point is good, but not the focus of this post.  
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This will mostly serve as my experiences using a mempool from tivosh.  Mempools have a particular format, call it a data structure, as tivo uses them.   mbm's efforts have largely been trying to determine the format of the tivo mempool data structure, henceforth &quot;tivo data strucure&quot;, and how tivo is using them.  What I have done ignores the tivo mandated structure, as I am just using it as tivosh shared memory.  That said, there are several anomalies accessing the data from tivosh, which I will try to document here.
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<b>Pool creation -</b>
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<br />
Simple enough, pool allocate will give you a pool and build the &quot;tivo data structure&quot; in the pool.  If a pool by the same name already exists, pool allocate will fail, unless you use the -force option, which seems to just recreate the pool. The -force option will fail if any process is attached to the pool, with the same &quot;permission error&quot; as given when the -force option isn't specified and the pool already exists.  The -size parameter is in bytes, but there is a minimum size that gets allocated.
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set poolhandle [pool allocate -force -name fred -size 100]
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<b>Binary data -</b>
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fconfigure seems to work properly if you want to use the pool for binary data.
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fconfigure $poolhandle -translation binary
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<b>POOL ACCESS</b>
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<b>Positioning the pool - seek</b>
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The pool is just a bunch of memory, which, from tivosh, is accessed like a random file.  To position yourself in the pool, use the seek command.
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seek $poolhandle 10
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positions the pool at byte 10 for reading and writing.
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<b>Reading:</b>
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The read command seems to be the best way to get data out of the pool, although gets seems to function.  
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set x [read $poolhandle 10]
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gets the next 10 bytes from the pool.  If will also move the pointer along, where subsequent reads will pick up the data following the first read:
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<br />
set x [read $poolhandle 10]
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set y [read $poolhandle 10]
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will get 20 contiguous bytes from the pool.
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<b>Writing:</b>
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The puts command works as expected.
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puts $poolhandle &quot;This is a test&quot;
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<br />
however, if you are working with binary data, -nonewline needs to be used.
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<br />
puts -nonewline $poolhandle $binarydata
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If you don't use -nonewline, even in the first example, be aware that an extra byte will be written, the end of line.
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<b>Flushing:</b>
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To get the writes out to the pool, you have to flush, which works as expected:
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flush $poolhandle 
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Attaching to the pool from another process:
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set poolhandle [pool attach fred]
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This will give you a handle to the pool named fred, from which you can read or write.  There is no functional access difference from a pool handle created with pool allocate and pool attach.
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<b>Closing:</b>
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Closing seems to work as expected.  I haven't verified that a close will do a flush though.
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close $poolhandle
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<b>Bizarreness - the meat of this post</b>
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<br />
Everything above that &quot;works as expected&quot; does work, at least most of the time.  There is some really bizarre behavior though, that will get you something other than what you expect.  I don't believe this to be a comprehensive accounting of the problems that arise, but weirdness I have seen and how I got around it.  You may or may not see the same behavior in the same cases that I outline.  You will almost certainly have problems if you ignore this section.
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1) You try to seek and you get an error message: 
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<br />
seek $poolhandle 10
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error during seek on &quot;pool1&quot;: bad address in system call argument
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catch {seek $poolhandle 10}
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will do the seek (i.e. it does move to that location) and ignores the error.
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<br />
If you do a puts to write to  the pool, and then try to seek somewhere else in the pool you will get this error.  If you flush your puts before seeking the problem seems to go away.  Make sure to flush after your writes.
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<br />
I have been able to totally avoid this error by &quot;following the rules&quot;
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<br />
2) error flushing &quot;pool1&quot;: math result unrepresentable
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<br />
This is a strange error, which I have also seen on the seek command.  If you do a puts to the pool, and then seek without flushing (see the catch example above), you will get this error.  Again,
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<br />
catch {flush $poolname} 
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<br />
will generally write the data to the pool and ignore the error, although there is more strangeness here.  
<br />

<br />
I have not been able to totally avoid this error, although I have been able to get it to do what I want.
<br />

<br />
3) Writing data and flushing doesn't always write to the pool.
<br />

<br />
I have noticed that:
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<br />
puts $poolhandle $data
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puts $poolhandle $data1
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flush $poolhandle
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<br />
doesn't always work.  Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. The same is true of putting a seek between the puts-s.  However,
<br />

<br />
puts $poolhandle $data
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flush $poolhandle
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puts $poolhandle $data1
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flush $poolhandle
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<br />
does seem to always write the data to the pool.  However, as mentioned above, flush will sometimes generate an error, but work.  You may need to:
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<br />
puts $poolhandle $data
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catch {flush $poolhandle}
<br />
puts $poolhandle $data1
<br />
catch {flush $poolhandle}
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<br />
It does seem that if an error is going to occur on a flush, it will ALWAYS occur on that flush.  Its not random, so I may be missing something here.
<br />

<br />
I don't put the catch in unless I get an error, in hopes of better understanding the problem.
<br />

<br />
4) pool attach will cause the tivo to assert/reboot
<br />

<br />
pool attach apparently will &quot;verify&quot; the &quot;tivo data structure&quot; in the pool before handing you a handle.  If the data structure appears corrupt, you're going down.
<br />

<br />
However, pool allocate will build a valid &quot;tivo data structure&quot; in the pool, and pool attach will work properly.
<br />

<br />
If you are going to use a pool for your own purposes and want to ignore/avoid having a &quot;tivo data structure&quot; you can still do it, but all processes MUST attach before you change the contents of the pool with your data structure. This means that you can't have processes coming in and out attaching to the pool as things move along.  If something dies or loses the handle for whatever reason, you must start with a fresh pool.
<br />

<br />
<b>Very short list of rules to make it work: </b>
<br />

<br />
1) If you aren't using the &quot;tivo data structure&quot; (which isn't yet sufficiently understood to use) then you absolutely must have all processes attach to the pool before you write to it.  Nothing can attach to a pool with an invalid &quot;tivo data structure&quot;
<br />

<br />
2) Always flush after every puts.  You won't get errors if you don't but there is also a good chance your data won't make it to the pool.
<br />

<br />
3) Flush sometimes gives a spurious error.  Catch wrapping it seems to work, and gets past the error.
<br />

<br />
4) I don't pretend this to be a comprehensive set of rules, only my experiences.  If you have other problems, try catch wrapping it.  It seems to always work.
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Another (trivial) subcommand for &quot;pool&quot; is handles...&quot;pool handles&quot; lists all the pools the current process is attached to.
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Regarding the &quot;registery&quot; subcommand...the valid registery item numbers to use are different for each pool.  For example, I think only item number for the tvfont pool is 0.  For the fsmem pool, the valid numbers are 0x10000, 0x10001, 0x10003, 0x10004, 0x10006, and 0x10007:
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<font face="Courier">
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set tvfont [pool attach TvFont]
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set fsmem [pool attach fsmem]
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format &quot;%x&quot; [pool $tvfont registery 0]
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7fb68ba8
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for {set i 0x10000} {$i &lt; 0x10050} {incr i} {
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catch {puts [format &quot;reg item 0x%x is %x&quot; $i [pool $fsmem registery $i]] }}
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reg item 0x10000 is 7fee53c8
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reg item 0x10001 is 7fef9f48
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reg item 0x10003 is 7fefa534
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reg item 0x10004 is 7fefa0b8
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reg item 0x10006 is 7fef9fbc
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reg item 0x10007 is 7fee4b60
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</font>
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The values stored in the registery are addresses in the mempool.  For example, apparently (from looking at the code) the value in fsmem/0x10007 is initialized to the starting address of the globals in the fsmem mempool.
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There is a tool out there called mplex which will take a TS stream a PES or ES or even just mpeg and audio and multiplex/mux to any other.   I was considering modifying the TS_STREAM import module to accept TY_STREAM with a -s switch for SA.  Does this sound like a good approach?  The idea being that for WebPHP each request for a stream would run a conversion if required from the TYs native format to its needed format.  That way WebPHP could work with DVBpvr, SA, Dtivo, ... anything.  The final dream of course tivonapster:)that'd be fantastic!
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<br />
that's one big can of worms though....
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<br />
--
<br />
RileyI have been working on a way to possibly circumvent the event bug which makes use of mempools - experience to this point is good, but not the focus of this post.  
<br />

<br />
This will mostly serve as my experiences using a mempool from tivosh.  Mempools have a particular format, call it a data structure, as tivo uses them.   mbm's efforts have largely been trying to determine the format of the tivo mempool data structure, henceforth &quot;tivo data strucure&quot;, and how tivo is using them.  What I have done ignores the tivo mandated structure, as I am just using it as tivosh shared memory.  That said, there are several anomalies accessing the data from tivosh, which I will try to document here.
<br />

<br />
<b>Pool creation -</b>
<br />

<br />
Simple enough, pool allocate will give you a pool and build the &quot;tivo data structure&quot; in the pool.  If a pool by the same name already exists, pool allocate will fail, unless you use the -force option, which seems to just recreate the pool. The -force option will fail if any process is attached to the pool, with the same &quot;permission error&quot; as given when the -force option isn't specified and the pool already exists.  The -size parameter is in bytes, but there is a minimum size that gets allocated.
<br />

<br />
set poolhandle [pool allocate -force -name fred -size 100]
<br />

<br />
<b>Binary data -</b>
<br />

<br />
fconfigure seems to work properly if you want to use the pool for binary data.
<br />

<br />
fconfigure $poolhandle -translation binary
<br />

<br />
<b>POOL ACCESS</b>
<br />

<br />
<b>Positioning the pool - seek</b>
<br />

<br />
The pool is just a bunch of memory, which, from tivosh, is accessed like a random file.  To position yourself in the pool, use the seek command.
<br />

<br />
seek $poolhandle 10
<br />

<br />
positions the pool at byte 10 for reading and writing.
<br />

<br />
<b>Reading:</b>
<br />

<br />
The read command seems to be the best way to get data out of the pool, although gets seems to function.  
<br />

<br />
set x [read $poolhandle 10]
<br />

<br />
gets the next 10 bytes from the pool.  If will also move the pointer along, where subsequent reads will pick up the data following the first read:
<br />

<br />
set x [read $poolhandle 10]
<br />
set y [read $poolhandle 10]
<br />

<br />
will get 20 contiguous bytes from the pool.
<br />

<br />
<b>Writing:</b>
<br />

<br />
The puts command works as expected.
<br />

<br />
puts $poolhandle &quot;This is a test&quot;
<br />

<br />
however, if you are working with binary data, -nonewline needs to be used.
<br />

<br />
puts -nonewline $poolhandle $binarydata
<br />

<br />
If you don't use -nonewline, even in the first example, be aware that an extra byte will be written, the end of line.
<br />

<br />
<b>Flushing:</b>
<br />

<br />
To get the writes out to the pool, you have to flush, which works as expected:
<br />

<br />
flush $poolhandle 
<br />

<br />
<b>Attaching to the pool from another process:</b>
<br />

<br />
set poolhandle [pool attach fred]
<br />

<br />
This will give you a handle to the pool named fred, from which you can read or write.  There is no functional access difference from a pool handle created with pool allocate and pool attach.
<br />

<br />
<b>Closing:</b>
<br />

<br />
Closing seems to work as expected.  I haven't verified that a close will do a flush though.
<br />

<br />
close $poolhandle
<br />

<br />
<b>Bizarreness - the meat of this post</b>
<br />

<br />
Everything above that &quot;works as expected&quot; does work, at least most of the time.  There is some really bizarre behavior though, that will get you something other than what you expect.  I don't believe this to be a comprehensive accounting of the problems that arise, but weirdness I have seen and how I got around it.  You may or may not see the same behavior in the same cases that I outline.  You will almost certainly have problems if you ignore this section.
<br />

<br />
1) You try to seek and you get an error message: 
<br />

<br />
seek $poolhandle 10
<br />

<br />
error during seek on &quot;pool1&quot;: bad address in system call argument
<br />

<br />
catch {seek $poolhandle 10}
<br />

<br />
will do the seek (i.e. it does move to that location) and ignores the error.
<br />

<br />
If you do a puts to write to  the pool, and then try to seek somewhere else in the pool you will get this error.  If you flush your puts before seeking the problem seems to go away.  Make sure to flush after your writes.
<br />

<br />
I have been able to totally avoid this error by &quot;following the rules&quot;
<br />

<br />
2) error flushing &quot;pool1&quot;: math result unrepresentable
<br />

<br />
This is a strange error, which I have also seen on the seek command.  If you do a puts to the pool, and then seek without flushing (see the catch example above), you will get this error.  Again,
<br />

<br />
catch {flush $poolname} 
<br />

<br />
will generally write the data to the pool and ignore the error, although there is more strangeness here.  
<br />

<br />
I have not been able to totally avoid this error, although I have been able to get it to do what I want.
<br />

<br />
3) Writing data and flushing doesn't always write to the pool.
<br />

<br />
I have noticed that:
<br />

<br />
puts $poolhandle $data
<br />
puts $poolhandle $data1
<br />
flush $poolhandle
<br />

<br />
doesn't always work.  Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. The same is true of putting a seek between the puts-s.  However,
<br />

<br />
puts $poolhandle $data
<br />
flush $poolhandle
<br />
puts $poolhandle $data1
<br />
flush $poolhandle
<br />

<br />
does seem to always write the data to the pool.  However, as mentioned above, flush will sometimes generate an error, but work.  You may need to:
<br />

<br />
puts $poolhandle $data
<br />
catch {flush $poolhandle}
<br />
puts $poolhandle $data1
<br />
catch {flush $poolhandle}
<br />

<br />
It does seem that if an error is going to occur on a flush, it will ALWAYS occur on that flush.  Its not random, so I may be missing something here.
<br />

<br />
I don't put the catch in unless I get an error, in hopes of better understanding the problem.
<br />

<br />
4) pool attach will cause the tivo to assert/reboot
<br />

<br />
pool attach apparently will &quot;verify&quot; the &quot;tivo data structure&quot; in the pool before handing you a handle.  If the data structure appears corrupt, you're going down.
<br />

<br />
However, pool allocate will build a valid &quot;tivo data structure&quot; in the pool, and pool attach will work properly.
<br />

<br />
If you are going to use a pool for your own purposes and want to ignore/avoid having a &quot;tivo data structure&quot; you can still do it, but all processes MUST attach before you change the contents of the pool with your data structure. This means that you can't have processes coming in and out attaching to the pool as things move along.  If something dies or loses the handle for whatever reason, you must start with a fresh pool.
<br />

<br />
<b>Very short list of rules to make it work: </b>
<br />

<br />
1) If you aren't using the &quot;tivo data structure&quot; (which isn't yet sufficiently understood to use) then you absolutely must have all processes attach to the pool before you write to it.  Nothing can attach to a pool with an invalid &quot;tivo data structure&quot;
<br />

<br />
2) Always flush after every puts.  You won't get errors if you don't but there is also a good chance your data won't make it to the pool.
<br />

<br />
3) Flush sometimes gives a spurious error.  Catch wrapping it seems to work, and gets past the error.
<br />

<br />
4) I don't pretend this to be a comprehensive set of rules, only my experiences.  If you have other problems, try catch wrapping it.  It seems to always work.
<br />

<br />

<br />
the trick is someone has most likely already built can.c and worms 1-1000:)  Seriously I was hoping to leverage the vsplit stuff but it isn't open so I was thinking of using the older tytool stuff and the info in the chunk thread here.  I am going to have to steal at least the vsplit ideas because audio video sync on dtivo streams is a holy nightmare.Interesting ..
<br />

<br />

<br />
At one point I did try to go through the various pool registery numbers but I ended up crashing tivosh and overflowing the mempool before I hit anything.
<br />

<br />
I looked at the values that the 0x1000<b>X</b> items point to, appears they all point back to the start of the pool as given by 'pool $fsmem address'.
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<br />
Here's a partial deconstruction of an empty tivosh pool
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(pool allocate -size 1  .. it'll actually allocate a minimum of 4k)
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>mempool-notes</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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<pre>
34000000:   0xA6003E02  ;# MAGIC
34000004:   0x00001000  ;# pool size
34000008: *(0x340006CC) -&gt; 0x00000000
3400000C: *(0x34000790) -&gt; 0x03000008
34000010: *(0x34000B38) -&gt; 0x03000008
34000014:   0x00000200
34000018:   0x34001000 ;# end of shm
3400001C:   0x00000200
34000020: *(0x340007C8) -&gt; 0x34000000
34000024: *(0x340007A0) -&gt; 0x34000000
34000028: *(0x340000DC) -&gt; 0x00000000
3400002C:   0x00000000
34000030: *(0x340000E0) -&gt; struct pool_info
34000034: *(0x34000B00) -&gt; 0x34000000

34000040: &quot;tivosh-pool&quot; ;# pool name

34000070: &quot;local0&quot;
3400007D: &quot;local1&quot;
3400008A: &quot;local2&quot;
34000097: &quot;local3&quot;
340000A4: &quot;local4&quot;
340000B1: &quot;local5&quot;
340000BE: &quot;local6&quot;
340000CB: &quot;local7&quot;

340000DC:   0x00000000

340000E0:   0x00000004  ;# nblocks
340000E4:   0x00000380  ;# nbytes
340000E8:   0x00000004  ;# maxblocks
340000EC:   0x00000380  ;# maxbytes
340000F0:   0x00000000  ;# nchunks
340000F4:   0x00000000  ;# nchunkbytes
340000F8:   0x00000000  ;# maxchunks
340000FC:   0x00000000  ;# maxchunkbytes

3400010C:   0x00000003

34000140:   0x00000001

340001e0:   0x00000001

3400024c:   0x00000360

34000284:   0x00000020

340002ec:   0x00000360

34000324:   0x00000020

340006A0:   0x00000360  ;# emptybytes
340006A4:   0x00000003  ;# emptyblocks
340006A8:   0x00000000  ;# emptychunks
340006AC:   0x00000004

34000790:   0x03000008
34000794:   0x00000000
34000798:   0x03000028
3400079C:   0x00000008
340007A0: *(0x34000000) ;# start of shm
340007A4:   0x00000000
340007A8:   0x00000000
340007AC:   0x00000000
340007B0:   0x00000000
340007B4: *(0x34000B18) ;# pointer to the second 0xdeadbeef segment
340007B8:   0x00000001
340007BC:   0x00000001
340007C0:   0x03000338
340007C4:   0x00000028
340007C8: *(0x34000000) ;# start of shm
340007CC:   0x00000000
340007D0:   0x00000000
340007D4: *(0x34000AE8) ;# pointer to the end of 0xdeadbeef linked list
340007D8:   0xDEADBEEF 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
340007E8:   0xDEADBEEF 0x00000000 0x340007D8 0x00000000
340007F8:   0xDEADBEEF 0x00000000 0x340007D8 0x00000000
...
34000AC8:   0xDEADBEEF 0x00000000 0x34000AB8 0x00000000
34000AD8:   0xDEADBEEF 0x00000000 0x34000AC8 0x00000000
34000AE8:   0xDEADBEEF 0x00000000 0x34000AD8 0x00000000
</pre>
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<br></td></tr></table>
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I've been playing around a bit and it seems the only requirement for tivosh to attach to a pool is that the pointer to struct pool_info be valid. It also appears that emptybytes is a constant offset from the start of the pool_info struct suggesting it may be part of one massive structure. The deadbeef linked list is interesting but I've never seen any suggestion of it being used.
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<br />
The fsmem pool appears to be a cache of mfs transactions and possibly a lock file. I say this because you can see the results of an mfs transaction being stored in the mempool and yet when I allocated my own shm segment it worked equally well considering that there were no other processes using the segment. All I did was copy the existing fsmem into a new shm segment and then create a /tmp/fsmem.mpkey for it.
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<br />
One more toy -
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>shmstat.c</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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<pre>
#include &lt;stdio.h&gt;
#include &lt;fcntl.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/ipc.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/shm.h&gt;
#include &lt;errno.h&gt;

unsigned buf[3];

int main(int argc, char **argv) {
        int fd;
        struct shmid_ds shm;
        void *ptr,*ptr1;

        if (argc&lt;2) exit(0);
        fd = open(argv[1],O_RDONLY);
        read(fd,buf,12);
        close(fd);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;ADDRESS: %08x\n&quot;,buf[0]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;   SIZE: %08x\n&quot;,buf[1]);
        fprintf(stderr,&quot;    KEY: %08x\n&quot;,buf[2]);

        fd = shmget(buf[2],0,0);
        if (fd &lt; 0) {
                fd = buf[2];
        }
        ptr=(void *)malloc(buf[1]);

        shmctl(fd, IPC_STAT, &amp;shm);
        ptr1=shmat(fd, 0, 0);
        memcpy(ptr,(void *)buf[0],buf[1]);
        printf(&quot;-- ready --\n&quot;);
        while (1)
        {
                int x;
                int changes=-1;
                unsigned short *new, *old;
                new=(void *)ptr1;
                old=(void *)ptr;
                for (x=0;x&lt;buf[1];x+=2) {
                        if (*old != *new) {
                                char *c;
                                c = (char *)new;
                                if (changes==-1) {
                                        printf(&quot; --- refresh ---\n&quot;);
                                        changes=0;
                                }
                                if (changes%8==0) {
                                        printf(&quot;\n%08x: &quot;,x);
                                }
                                printf(&quot;\33[1m%04x\33[m %04x &quot;,*new,*old); // ]
                                *old=*new;
                                changes++;

                        } else if (changes&gt;0) {
                                printf(&quot;\n&quot;);
                                changes=0;
                        }
                        new++;
                        old++;
                }
                usleep(5000);
        }
        shmdt(ptr1);
}
</pre>
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<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Pretty simple, create a private copy of the shm contents then continually diff them. The effect is that you can watch the changes to the pools in near realtime which will lead you towards the interesting bits.I don't think using the tystream info jdiner's worked out would even remotely be considered stealing.  he's had tons of help from the general community, stated he would open the source AND he's build on what was open source to begin with without sharing in a timely manner.  not to mention thumbing his nose at the mac community.  
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<br />
exit rant mode...
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<br />
--
<br />
Rileyok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
<br />

<br />
this can insert upto 5 individual fsid's that were extracted with tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion
<br />

<br />
tytool names files xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
<br />

<br />
I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for the dtv02.ty header chunk.  you don't need it, it's just a placeholder to allow you to begin playing an inserted file immediatly after starting the process.  
<br />

<br />
usage is 
<br />

<br />
rcinsert.tcl sourcepath 'basefilename' 'nowshowing description'
<br />

<br />
where basefilename is xxxx leaving off the -#.ty suffix
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyI don't think using the tystream info jdiner's worked out would even remotely be considered stealing.  he's had tons of help from the general community and stated AGES ago he would open the source...
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<br />
--
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Rileyany plans for adding support for greater that 5 fsid's? I have a few that are in excess of 8...the header chunks for each fsid are ~ self contained
<br />

<br />
you can insert a show of 8 as 2 sets of 4 and they should play fine - a nuisance to switch to the second nowshowing halfway through, but not too bad
<br />

<br />
I had originally intended to set a limit of 10 fsid's or to let it insert an arbitrary number, 
<br />

<br />
BUT
<br />

<br />
it uses retry transaction when creating the nowshowing database entries (just the way things work), if the database is locked the retry seems to cause a major memory leak, which causes a reboot after a few retries.  right now the script allocates 128k &amp; 3 fsid's never reboots, 5 only rarely, 8 about 1/3 of the time.  
<br />

<br />
I'm going to tinker with extracting / restoreing show data &amp; let this problem rattle around in the back of my brain a bit.  
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo browsing &amp; transfer is going to require some fundamental changes anyway so I'll probably just leave this script as-is for now.  
<br />

<br />
take a look at the script, you can up it from 5 to 10 with some simple cut &amp; paste.  try it out 'n let us know how it works for you.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileySounds great...could you point me in to where I can get some help using the nfs server that you included? It seems to be discontinued. I have it running on my WinXP machine but I am not sure that I have the .conf set correctly and I don't know how to access it from the tivo....hmmm This has to be such a newbie question... It comes back 'bash: rcinsert.tcl: command not found'... before you ask, I did do chmod 777 on it...what did I do wrong?ok, for anyone else who need help with nfs, here is a very helpful thread:
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=805410#post805410" target="_blank">http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&amp;p ostid=805410#post805410</a>
<br />

<br />
ok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
<br />

<br />
this can insert upto 5 individual fsid's that were extracted with tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion
<br />

<br />
tytool names files xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
<br />

<br />
I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for the dtv02.ty header chunk.  you don't need it, it's just a placeholder to allow you to begin playing an inserted file immediatly after starting the process.  
<br />

<br />
usage is 
<br />

<br />
rcinsert.tcl sourcepath 'basefilename' 'nowshowing description'
<br />

<br />
where basefilename is xxxx leaving off the -#.ty suffix
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: updated the readme's 'n split the nfsserv files out to a seperate zip file<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Sun, 10 November 2002 18:21</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>ok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Hey rc3105, 
<br />

<br />
After months of my TiVo being packed up (during a move), I'm just getting back into the swing of things and catching up on the forums. 
<br />

<br />
Is the above script for 2.x or 3.x? My TiVo has just uprgraded to 3.x, and I haven't had a chance to re-hack it and try the script yet. 
<br />

<br />
Cheers, Mark. ok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
<br />

<br />
this can insert upto 5 individual fsid's that were extracted with tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion
<br />

<br />
tytool names files xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
<br />

<br />
I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for the dtv02.ty header chunk.  you don't need it, it's just a placeholder to allow you to begin playing an inserted file immediatly after starting the process.  
<br />

<br />
usage is 
<br />

<br />
rcinsert.tcl sourcepath 'basefilename' 'nowshowing description'
<br />

<br />
where basefilename is xxxx leaving off the -#.ty suffix
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: updated the readme's 'n split the nfsserv files out to a seperate zip filethe header chunks for each fsid are ~ self contained
<br />

<br />
you can insert a show of 8 as 2 sets of 4 and they should play fine - a nuisance to switch to the second nowshowing halfway through, but not too bad
<br />

<br />
I had originally intended to set a limit of 10 fsid's or to let it insert an arbitrary number, 
<br />

<br />
BUT
<br />

<br />
it uses retry transaction when creating the nowshowing database entries (just the way things work), if the database is locked the retry seems to cause a major memory leak, which causes a reboot after a few retries.  right now the script allocates 128k &amp; 3 fsid's never reboots, 5 only rarely, 8 about 1/3 of the time.  
<br />

<br />
I'm going to tinker with extracting / restoreing show data &amp; let this problem rattle around in the back of my brain a bit.  
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo browsing &amp; transfer is going to require some fundamental changes anyway so I'll probably just leave this script as-is for now.  
<br />

<br />
take a look at the script, you can up it from 5 to 10 with some simple cut &amp; paste.  try it out 'n let us know how it works for you.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: updated the script to handle upto 10 fsid's, but it generally causes a reboot if you try to insert 7 or more - that's the total number of files, if you have parts 0 through 9 but 3,4,5 are missing it's only trying to insert 6 filesok, I split the files into seperate zip archives, updated the script to handle upto 10 fsid's and fixed a few typos that snuck by me last night
<br />

<br />
it still has problems inserting 6+ fsids.  it scans for files xxxx-.ty through xxxx-9.ty  it will ignore missing files and properly inserts the parts that are present.  
<br />

<br />
if the show was originally 5 parts but you only have parts 1,2,3,5 in the source path it will stitch them together and play fine, 1x ff/rw should work but replay/catchup may have some issues.  
<br />

<br />

<br />
I have extreme 2.5.01 on dtivos.  this will require some minor changes to work on boxes with 3.x but I don't have one don don't hold your breath...
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyok, I split the files into seperate zip archives, updated the script to handle upto 10 fsid's and fixed a few typos that snuck by me last night
<br />

<br />
it still has problems inserting 6+ fsids.  it scans for files xxxx-.ty through xxxx-9.ty  it will ignore missing files and properly inserts the parts that are present.  
<br />

<br />
if the show was originally 5 parts but you only have parts 1,2,3,5 in the source path it will stitch them together and play fine, 1x ff/rw should work but replay/catchup may have some issues.  
<br />

<br />
I have extreme 2.5.01 on dtivos.  this will require some minor changes to work on boxes with 3.x but I don't have one don don't hold your breath...
<br />

<br />
I posted a link to this thread at 
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=70180#post70180</a>
<br />

<br />
please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
<br />

<br />
this can insert upto 5 individual fsid's that were extracted with tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion
<br />

<br />
tytool names files xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
<br />

<br />
I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for the dtv02.ty header chunk.  you don't need it, it's just a placeholder to allow you to begin playing an inserted file immediatly after starting the process.  
<br />

<br />
usage is 
<br />

<br />
rcinsert.tcl sourcepath 'basefilename' 'nowshowing description'
<br />

<br />
where basefilename is xxxx leaving off the -#.ty suffix
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
I posted a link to this thread at 
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=70180#post70180</a>
<br />

<br />
please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: updated the readme's 'n split the nfsserv files out to a seperate zip fileok, I split the files into seperate zip archives, updated the script to handle upto 10 fsid's and fixed a few typos that snuck by me last night
<br />

<br />
it still has problems inserting 6+ fsids.  it scans for files xxxx-.ty through xxxx-9.ty  it will ignore missing files and properly inserts the parts that are present.  
<br />

<br />
if the show was originally 5 parts but you only have parts 1,2,3,5 in the source path it will stitch them together and play fine, 1x ff/rw should work but replay/catchup may have some issues.  
<br />

<br />
I have extreme 2.5.01 on dtivos.  this will require some minor changes to work on boxes with 3.x but I don't have one so don't hold your breath...
<br />

<br />
I posted a link to this thread at 
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />
please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyok, I split the files into seperate zip archives, updated the script to handle upto 10 fsid's and fixed a few typos that snuck by me last night
<br />

<br />
it still has problems inserting 6+ fsids.  it scans for files xxxx-.ty through xxxx-9.ty  it will ignore missing files and properly inserts the parts that are present.  
<br />

<br />
if the show was originally 5 parts but you only have parts 1,2,3,5 in the source path it will stitch them together and play fine, 1x ff/rw should work but replay/catchup may have some issues.  
<br />

<br />
I have extreme 2.5.01 on dtivos.  this will require some minor changes to work on boxes with 3.x but I don't have one so don't hold your breath...
<br />

<br />
I posted a link to this thread at dealdatabase
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />
please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyHi folks. First post here. I've got a Sony SAT-T60 running 2.5. I've got the extraction-&gt;DVD process down pretty well using TyTool, TMPGEnc, etc. and I'm looking into insertion so I can share streams with a friend whose SAT-T60 just arrived (it's not even out of the box yet.)
<br />

<br />
Running rcinsert.tcl without an argument rebooted my dtivo <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_surprised.gif" border=0 alt="Surprised"> but with the proper arguments it runs, creates an entry in my Now Showing, but I get a &quot;no video&quot; message when I try to play the resulting entry.
<br />

<br />
Meanwhile, rcinsert.tcl generates the error below.
<br />

<br />
Any ideas?
<br />

<br />
Thanks for all your work on this to date. My first language is Perl, but I know enough Tcl that I might be able to give back something one of these days...
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<br />
<font face="Courier">inserting a dummy header block in fsid #1
<br />
child process exited abnormally
<br />
    while executing
<br />
&quot;exec /var/insert/mfs_insert $fsid1 /var/insert/dtvh02.ty &gt;&amp;/dev/null&quot;
<br />
    (file &quot;rcinsert.tcl&quot; line 258)</font>Hi folks. First post here. I've got a Sony SAT-T60 running 2.5. I've got the extraction-&gt;DVD process down pretty well using TyTool, TMPGEnc, etc. and I'm looking into insertion so I can share streams with a friend whose SAT-T60 just arrived (it's not even out of the box yet.)
<br />

<br />
Anybody tried it on a SAT-T60 2.5? I've got no problem running relatively untested code...I'm just not sure I want to be the first <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">mfs_insert needs to be chmod +x'd
<br />

<br />
please direct suport/bug posts to the dealdatabase thread
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileytwo of my dtivo's are sony t60's two are hughes gxcebot's &amp; two are homebrew, some have extreme 2.5 &amp; some have 2.5 mod'd by hand (which is which I dont' remember w/o looking)
<br />

<br />
mfs_insert needs to be chmod +x'd
<br />

<br />
please direct suport/bug posts to the dealdatabase thread
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyWill do, Riley.
<br />

<br />
I figured since I know some Tcl I might lend a hand on this at some point, but meanwhile I'll stick to the Deal thread.ok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
<br />

<br />
this can insert upto 5 individual fsid's that were extracted with tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion
<br />

<br />
tytool names files xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
<br />

<br />
I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for the dtv02.ty header chunk.  you don't need it, it's just a placeholder to allow you to begin playing an inserted file immediatly after starting the process.  
<br />

<br />
usage is 
<br />

<br />
rcinsert.tcl sourcepath 'basefilename' 'nowshowing description'
<br />

<br />
where basefilename is xxxx leaving off the -#.ty suffix
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
I posted a link to this thread at 
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />
please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: updated the readme's 'n split the nfsserv files out to a seperate zip fileWell I'm still trying to get my bearings, but after reading through this and a few other threads I might sort of understand what everybody's working on.
<br />

<br />
The tivoweb module approach makes a whole lot of sense given how the framework is there on pretty much every hacked box, but personally I've never been a big fan of large file downloads/uploads via HTTP, what with the lack of progress feedback and poor error recovery.
<br />

<br />
The TyTool client/server approach with feedback on both ends is much more appealing to me, although the error recovery still leaves something to be desired.
<br />

<br />
Has anybody talked to jdiner about either extending TyTool to handle insertion or about using the TyTool source as the basis for a extraction/insertion specific tool? Or is anyone working on a standalone extration/insertion client/server app?
<br />

<br />
rc3105:
<br />

<br />
Just to get my feet wet, I did a minor refactor of sorts on rcinsert.tcl.
<br />

<br />
Also, while experimenting with the original script, I found that when I gave it incorrect agruments I could end up with a Now Showing entry that couldn't be deleted from the dtivo UI. It had to be killed from tivoweb. So this new version...
<br />

<br />
- Aborts before creating the Now Showing entry if no .ty files are found and is a bit more verbose about the files it's looking for.
<br />

<br />
- Builds an fsid array as it finds parts, then iterates over the array as it does mfs_inserts (not apparent to the end-user).
<br />

<br />
Not sure what the protocol is for this sort of thing...whether I should send this to you by email or just post. What the heck....
<br />

<br />

<br />
By the way, maybe it's just me, but it'd sure be nice if mfs_insert had an option to display some sort of progress info. Maybe just -v to get &quot;0.....10.....20....&quot; style output or something.well, since the script I posted is only a minor update from the one that comes in the tivo feel free to modify it to your hearts content.  
<br />

<br />
if it's usefull, post away, you may think of / discover something nobody else found yet.  (the pool of people working on this stuff is depressingly small)
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
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<br />
Rileywell, since the script I posted is only a minor update from the one that comes in the tivo feel free to modify it to your hearts content.  
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if it's usefull, post away, you may think of / discover something nobody else found yet.  (the pool of people working on this stuff is depressingly small)
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you might rename it for clarity's sake, at the VERY least make some comments at the beginning of the script &quot;this is my interpretation of riley's interpretation of the file-to-recording.tcl script that ships in the tivo...&quot;  something like that with some contact info so I don't get a wierd pm outta the blue from somebody using your varient that thinks I wrote it and wants to know why his tivo is smoking...   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"> 
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Rileywell, since the script I posted is only a minor update from the one that comes in the tivo feel free to modify it to your hearts content.  
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if it's usefull, post away, you may think of / discover something nobody else found yet.  (the pool of people working on this stuff is depressingly small)
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you might rename it for clarity's sake, at the VERY least make some comments at the beginning of the script &quot;this is my interpretation of riley's interpretation of the file-to-recording.tcl script that ships in the tivo...&quot;  something like that with some contact info so I don't get a wierd pm outta the blue from somebody using your varient that thinks I wrote it and wants to know why his tivo is smoking...   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"> 
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edit: just took a look at your rewrite, definatly more elegantWell I would've renamed it if it hadn't taken me until just this second to realize why the name starts with &quot;rc&quot; <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> I did add a line to the header and incremented the version number (sort of...it's now 0.061). Feel free to claim it as your own if the tweeks make sense to you. Otherwise I'll post any other descendants with a different name.
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Meanwhile, over on dealdatabase I took note of your comment about insertion via TyTool and the lack of response from jdiner. Seems like there are many other things in the queue first.
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In feeling my way around tivoweb and the other parts folks are working on I got slightly distracted and ended up heading down a TyTool-style path.
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Specifically, I've got a trivial little Tcl TCP server that sits on my dtivo and responds to simple simple requests for the NowShowing list and program information. If I can get it to spit out mfs_export by fsid and catch a tystream file coming over TCP and feed it to mfs_import...oh, and do the rcinsert-like stuff given program info as input...then I think I'll have learned what I need to know to be able to contribute to something. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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At that point I might just go ahead and try to put together a TyTool-like Java client that'll download NowShowing, select a program, grab the program info and tystreams and create the tarball on the client side...or go in the opposite direction: examine a tarball for program info, then upload that followed by the tystreams back to the dtivo.
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Two questions:
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1) Is there an accepted DTD somewhere for NowShoing or program information? The output of the NowShowing.tcl that TyTools doesn't strike me as being valid XML.
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and
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2) Is...
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<font face="Courier">exec myprogram myargs &lt;@ $chan &gt;@ $chan 2&gt;@ stderr &amp; </font>
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the prefered method for handing off IO to/from the mfs_export and mfs_insert programs?
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I installed the latest version of the compiler, and have had success using it. But I am having a problem. Whenever I try to use powerpc-TiVo-linux-c++, I get the following error: &quot;..../bin/ld: cannot open -lstdc++: No such file or directory.&quot; 
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I have verified that the correct binaries are being run. I'm no linux expert, but I believe this error means that the stdc++.a library cannot be found. I noticed that this library is not a part of the cross-compiler distribution. I'm assuming that the c++ compiler invokes ld with this option to load the c++ library, which it must need.
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Is there an stdc++.a library compiled for the TiVo dev environment? Or is there a workaround, or possibly a different c++ compiler I should be using?
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Any help would be appreciated.First off let me say that I am impressed with the work you all have done so far. As I said on dealdatabase yesterday I was able to extract a show and insert it back onto my Tivo.
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If that could be automated I would be really impressed.
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I'd like to contribute to this effort, but am not sure where to begin. I don't want to duplicate work or go off in a direction that is not consistant with the other developers. I can offer to write some design documents, write TCL or C code on the Tivo, or any other Language for Linux. 
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I got laid off a few weeks ago, and am being paid until next year. So I might as well spend my time doing something worthwhile and what would be better than improving the Tivo.
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Well I would've renamed it if it hadn't taken me until just this second to realize why the name starts with &quot;rc&quot; <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> I did add a line to the header and incremented the version number (sort of...it's now 0.061). Feel free to claim it as your own if the tweeks make sense to you. Otherwise I'll post any other descendants with a different name.
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Meanwhile, over on dealdatabase I took note of your comment about insertion via TyTool and the lack of response from jdiner. Seems like there are many other things in the queue first.
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In feeling my way around tivoweb and the other parts folks are working on I got slightly distracted and ended up heading down a TyTool-style path.
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Specifically, I've got a trivial little Tcl TCP server that sits on my dtivo and responds to simple simple requests for the NowShowing list and program information. If I can get it to spit out mfs_export by fsid and catch a tystream file coming over TCP and feed it to mfs_import...oh, and do the rcinsert-like stuff given program info as input...then I think I'll have learned what I need to know to be able to contribute to something. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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[Edit: I realize this is basically what AlphaWolf suggested back in August.]
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At that point I might just go ahead and try to put together a TyTool-like Java client that'll download NowShowing, select a program, grab the program info and tystreams and create the tarball on the client side...or go in the opposite direction: examine a tarball for program info, then upload that followed by the tystreams back to the dtivo.
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Two questions:
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1) Is there an accepted DTD somewhere for NowShoing or program information? The output of the NowShowing.tcl that TyTools doesn't strike me as being valid XML.
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and
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2) Is...
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<font face="Courier">exec myprogram myargs &lt;@ $chan &gt;@ $chan 2&gt;@ stderr &amp; </font>
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the prefered method for handing off IO to/from the mfs_export and mfs_insert programs?Could someone please post in here a link to any tystream extraction tool that keeps the stream perfect.
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I've seen people mention the problematic ones, and alphawolf mentioned on dd forum the names of the good ones, but I could not see any links.
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I just don't want to archive precious recordings without knowing that they will work again.
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TIA
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tivoweb mfsstream works fine
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or just telnet in &amp; use mfs_extract
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RileyActualy that depends on what binary you are trying to extract with.  Gosquads tivoweb module is good, but it comes with mfs_stream which is no good, I just tried it a minute ago and I looked at the contents with a hex editor, and it adds some strange text to the beginning of the file that shouldn't be there, and I didn't verify this, but it looks like part of the master chunk is missing too. I havent played with extracting anything in a long time, the only playing I did for insertion was extracting with just plain mfs_export.
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I think the good one to use for all around extraction for the time being is mfs_queue_export, which was released by edpuffedmonster on dealdatabase, but its since been deleted by the moderators. Other than that I honestly can't tell you what to look for for the time being if your goal is to preserve the tystreams for later, other than to use tridges origional mfs_export to extract each part at a time, which you can easily merge using pretty much any file copying utilities that come with most OSes.
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tivoweb mfsstream works fine
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edit: ok, the mfsstream I have works fine, the header chunks are intact &amp; I've inserted short shows extracted with it.  it gives you one large file like tytool does though instead of individual parts so it's not the best solution.  
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I installed the latest version of the C compiler, and have had success using it. But I am having a problem with C++. Whenever I try to use powerpc-TiVo-linux-c++, I get the following error: &quot;..../bin/ld: cannot open -lstdc++: No such file or directory.&quot; 
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I have verified that the correct binaries are being run. I'm no linux expert, but I believe this error means that the stdc++.a library cannot be found. I noticed that this library is not a part of the cross-compiler distribution. I'm assuming that the c++ compiler invokes ld with this option to load the c++ library, which it must need. 
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Is there an stdc++.a library compiled for the TiVo dev environment? Or is there a workaround, or possibly a different c++ compiler I should be using? 
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Any help would be appreciated. 
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I have spent a good deal of time working on this problem, so I thought I would post some thoughts/experiences.
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First, the trace mbm suggests would be useful, however the hang occurs infrequently enough that it isn't practical unless you have a huge amount of disk space to capture the log.  Due to technical limitations, I don't currently have a way to do this.
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Background
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I initially made the assumption that the event hang was caused by one of several possibilities.  The primary assumption was that events had to be processed quickly, or a hang could potentially result.  Perhaps it was a event queue overflow, an &quot;off by one error&quot;, or the like.  If you could guarantee fast processing of events, it wouldn't occur.  Evidence is to the contrary, I no longer believe this to be true.
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In TCS I added a process whose sole responsibility is to monitor events and write them to a mempool event queue.  The main TCS process polls the queue for the remote events.  The remote monitoring process (&quot;event server&quot;) runs at setpri ts, in hopes that this would help prevent the event hang.  It may or may not help, its hard to tell. The event server also sends a heartbeat through the mempool, which tcs monitors.  No heartbeart in (an arbitrary) X seconds is considered to be an event hang.  The TCS main process will then kill and restart the event server to get around the bug.  Since the event server is very specific in what it does, it can be killed and restarted without causing tivosh to assert. (I.E., it doesn't touch MFS).
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Observations:
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Running at a high priority doesn't stop a process from event hanging, and therefore client speed is probably not the issue.
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I set the queue size at an ungodly large number to see if the problem subsided.  It didn't.  This would seem to indicate that queue or buffer overflow is probably not the problem.
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I had the event server log all the events it saw come in.  In one instance, immediately prior to one hang, there were several remote events logged (5) which corresponded to keypresses that I don't think I pressed (same key).  This point is a bit questionable, as I wasn't paying careful attention.  The key pressed is something I could have done, so take this point with a grain of salt.  It wasn't a key that just doesn't make sense to press 5 times in a row. (think Tivo key)
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Here is where it gets interesting.  On one hang, I checked the event server process and it was in the nansleep of death, indicating the event hang.  I killed the process, and _immediately_ following that, myworld received/processed the 5-10 keys which I had pressed before I recognized &quot;event hang&quot; and killed the event server. This now makes me think that the problem isn't an &quot;off by one&quot; of &quot;overflow&quot; type of error, but rather the tivo event system is somehow blocking, waiting for some type of response from a &quot;dead&quot; client.
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I also saw a process hang in nanosleep of death that was not monitoring events (event register), but had sometime in the past sent an event (event send).  mbm indicated on irc that a process that only sent events could hang like this, and the evidence certainly supports that.  It does somewhat call into question whether the tivo event system is blocking communicating with a client, since this hung process was not _currently_ trying to send an event.  It was not really possible to kill this process to see if the tivo freed up, since it accessed MFS, and that would assert the tivo.   Well, you have a couple of seconds after the kill before the tivo asserts, so it might be _possible_.
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It is useful to keep in mind that the event hang has been reported on unhacked boxes, sometimes with the screen going black.
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I have seen TCS hang (non event server version), but the tivo keeps functioning.  Often, however, myworld will hang within an hour or two of TCS hanging, but NOT with a black screen, just a frozen one.
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In one case where the TCS event server hung, and the tivo did not, I killed the TCS event server, restarted it, and everything was OK.  Twenty minutes later (top of the hour!) the tivo hung with the black screen.  I didn't think to see if the TCS event server was hung, or if I could do any OSD.  At the time, I was using the tivo as a TV watching device, and wasn't in that mindset.  I just rebooted.
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Current thoughts
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The tivo event communication mechanism is just a socket connection.  I have seen some bizzare behavior with tivosh sockets on the tivo.
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I wrote a simple tivosh client/server socket system that does nothing, client sends a line, server prints it out.  The server cranks up and runs fine.  When the client starts up, the tivo would hang, no response from bash, thus can't do a ps, strace or anything.  Cntrl-C the client and everything immediately frees up.
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I ran the simple server and telneted into the machine to the server socket, sent a line and it worked as expected.  I ran the tcl client on a different machine, and it worked as expected.  This causes me to speculate that there may be some kind of problem with tivosh sockets, which ties into how tivosh gets events, and _possibly_ the event bug.
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TCS listens on a socket for commands off the network.  If you connect to the TCS socket, the _tivo_ will hang _until_ some data is sent through the socket. (No response from bash, tv continues to play)  This is strange behavior.
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I tried doing the same thing with tivoweb to see if it showed the same behavior.  It did not.
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So, I looked into the differences in how tivoweb and TCS are managing the socket.  The primary difference is that TCS is using &quot;fileevent readable&quot; with a callback routine to process the socket data.  Tivoweb does not use fileevent, but instead sets  blocking and just reads the data.  TCS doesn't touch blocking mode, but it would seems that blocking is unrelated since Tivoweb doesn't hang on &quot;connect.&quot; 
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This leads me to question the robustness of &quot;fileevent&quot; in tivosh, and _perhaps_ the event hangs are related to the tivo sockets and the fileevent implementation.  Maybe tivosh is looking at the event socket and using fileevent? 
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If however, the problem is just the tivo event server blocking on a tivosh client using fileevent, then you would expect that just killing the process would make everything fine again.  It seems to do just that, but recall that one observation where the tivo &quot;black screened&quot; twenty minutes later.  It would seem that tivosh fileevent can not completely explain what I have observed.  The two hangs so close together could be coincidence, but it doesn't seem likely.
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I find no smoking gun.  This post is intended to share my observations and speculation so others can benefit from them, and perhaps tickle some more insight.
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I have spent a good deal of time working on this problem, so I thought I would post some thoughts/experiences.
<br />

<br />
First, the trace mbm suggests (tcltrace/strace) would be useful, however the hang occurs infrequently enough that it isn't practical unless you have a huge amount of disk space to capture the log.  Due to technical limitations, I don't currently have a way to do this.
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Background
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-----------------
<br />
I initially made the assumption that the event hang was caused by one of several possibilities.  The primary assumption was that events had to be processed quickly, or a hang could potentially result.  Perhaps it was a event queue overflow, an &quot;off by one error&quot;, or the like.  If you could guarantee fast processing of events, it wouldn't occur.  Evidence is to the contrary, I no longer believe this to be true.
<br />

<br />
In TCS I added a process whose sole responsibility is to monitor events and write them to a mempool event queue.  The main TCS process polls the queue for the remote events.  The remote monitoring process (&quot;event server&quot;) runs at setpri ts, in hopes that this would help prevent the event hang.  It may or may not help, its hard to tell. The event server also sends a heartbeat through the mempool, which tcs monitors.  No heartbeart in (an arbitrary) X seconds is considered to be an event hang.  The TCS main process will then kill and restart the event server to get around the bug.  Since the event server is very specific in what it does, it can be killed and restarted without causing tivosh to assert. (I.E., it doesn't touch MFS).
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<br />
Observations:
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-------------------
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<br />
Running at a high priority doesn't stop a process from event hanging, and therefore client speed is probably not the issue.
<br />

<br />
I set the queue size at an ungodly large number to see if the problem subsided.  It didn't.  This would seem to indicate that queue or buffer overflow is probably not the problem.
<br />

<br />
I had the event server log all the events it saw come in.  In one instance, immediately prior to one hang, there were several remote events logged (5) which corresponded to keypresses that I don't think I pressed (same key).  This point is a bit questionable, as I wasn't paying careful attention.  The key pressed is something I could have done, so take this point with a grain of salt.  It wasn't a key that just doesn't make sense to press 5 times in a row. (think Tivo key)
<br />

<br />
Here is where it gets interesting.  On one hang, I checked the event server process and it was in the nansleep of death, indicating the event hang.  I killed the process, and _immediately_ following that, myworld received/processed the 5-10 keys which I had pressed before I recognized &quot;event hang&quot; and killed the event server. This now makes me think that the problem isn't an &quot;off by one&quot; of &quot;overflow&quot; type of error, but rather the tivo event system is somehow blocking, waiting for some type of response from a &quot;dead&quot; client.
<br />

<br />
I also saw a process hang in nanosleep of death that was not monitoring events (event register), but had sometime in the past sent an event (event send).  mbm indicated on irc that a process that only sent events could hang like this, and the evidence certainly supports that.  It does somewhat call into question whether the tivo event system is blocking communicating with a client, since this hung process was not _currently_ trying to send an event.  It was not really possible to kill this process to see if the tivo freed up, since it accessed MFS, and that would assert the tivo.   Well, you have a couple of seconds after the kill before the tivo asserts, so it might be _possible_.
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<br />
It is useful to keep in mind that the event hang has been reported on unhacked boxes, sometimes with the screen going black.
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<br />
I have seen TCS hang (non event server version), but the tivo keeps functioning.  Often, however, myworld will hang within an hour or two of TCS hanging, but NOT with a black screen, just a frozen one.
<br />

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In one case where the TCS event server hung, and the tivo did not, I killed the TCS event server, restarted it, and everything was OK.  Twenty minutes later (top of the hour!) the tivo hung with the black screen.  I didn't think to see if the TCS event server was hung, or if I could do any OSD.  At the time, I was using the tivo as a TV watching device, and wasn't in that mindset.  I just rebooted.
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<br />
Current thoughts
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-----------------------
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The tivo event communication mechanism is just a socket connection.  I have seen some bizzare behavior with tivosh sockets on the tivo.
<br />

<br />
I wrote a simple tivosh client/server socket system that does nothing, client sends a line, server prints it out.  The server cranks up and runs fine.  When the client starts up, the tivo would hang, no response from bash, thus can't do a ps, strace or anything.  Cntrl-C the client and everything immediately frees up.
<br />

<br />
I ran the simple server and telneted into the machine to the server socket, sent a line and it worked as expected.  I ran the tcl client on a different machine, and it worked as expected.  This causes me to speculate that there may be some kind of problem with tivosh sockets, which ties into how tivosh gets events, and _possibly_ the event bug.
<br />

<br />
TCS listens on a socket for commands off the network.  If you connect to the TCS socket, the _tivo_ will hang _until_ some data is sent through the socket. (No response from bash, tv continues to play)  This is strange behavior.
<br />

<br />
I tried doing the same thing with tivoweb to see if it showed the same behavior.  It did not.
<br />

<br />
So, I looked into the differences in how tivoweb and TCS are managing the socket.  The primary difference is that TCS is using &quot;fileevent readable&quot; with a callback routine to process the socket data.  Tivoweb does not use fileevent, but instead sets  blocking and just reads the data.  TCS doesn't touch blocking mode, but it would seems that blocking is unrelated since Tivoweb doesn't hang on &quot;connect.&quot; 
<br />

<br />
This leads me to question the robustness of &quot;fileevent&quot; in tivosh, and _perhaps_ the event hangs are related to the tivo sockets and the fileevent implementation.  Maybe tivosh is looking at the event socket and using fileevent? 
<br />

<br />
If however, the problem is just the tivo event server blocking on a tivosh client using fileevent, then you would expect that just killing the process would make everything fine again.  It seems to do just that, but recall that one observation where the tivo &quot;black screened&quot; twenty minutes later.  It would seem that tivosh fileevent can not completely explain what I have observed.  The two hangs so close together could be coincidence, but it doesn't seem likely.
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<br />
I find no smoking gun.  This post is intended to share my observations and speculation so others can benefit from them, and perhaps tickle some more insight.
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Once again, embeem to the rescue. Thanks man!Alpha, what was Edpuffmonster's last (or latest) version of his modified mfs_queue_export?  I found one he last did on March 31, 2002, in an archive labeled &quot;mfs_extract_tivoweb-v0.5beta.zip&quot;, on dealdatabase, located  <a href="http://dealdatabase.com/forum/attachment.php?postid=38841" target="_blank">here.</a>Thanks in advance.That one extracts fine, but I remember there being one which was compatible with netcat. You could simply replace the mfs_stream binary with that one in gosquads module. Again though, I am not sure where you can find it.here's a little script that dumps shows to a nfs network mount.  
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it defaults to /nfs/ns or accepts a different base path via a command line option
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it creates a directory for each series, a subfolder for each episode, a text file with basic nowshowing database info and fsids as individual p#.ty files
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if there's no episode info in the nowshowing database a substitute episode name is created using the raw data from the originalairdate &amp; showingdate.  recurring stuff w/o specific guide data like talkshows &amp; vh1 music shows will still extract as distinct subdirectories.  (who needs napster when you have vh1?) 
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this script exects to find mfs_export at /var/extract/mfs_export
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in my experience a samba mount just doesn't work.  if you're determined to try it I don't want to hear about it (unless it works <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> )
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in the dbt (databasetext) file I use the AutoSyncNo/AutoSyncYes line to determine whether or not a &quot;slave&quot; tivo will automatically insert this show, original air date should be pretty self explainatory, and the following records are the fsid sizes.  nomoreparts is my EOF indicator for basic info.  
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Rileyhere's a pair of little script that dumps shows to &amp; from network/local nfs/ext2/joliet/udf mounts.    
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they default to /nfs/ns or accept a different base path via a command line option
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extract creates a directory for each series, a subfolder for each episode, a text file with basic nowshowing database info and fsids as individual p#.ty files
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<br />
if there's no episode info in the nowshowing database a substitute episode name is created using the raw data from the originalairdate &amp; showingdate.  recurring stuff w/o specific guide data like talkshows &amp; vh1 music shows will still extract as distinct subdirectories.  (who needs napster when you have vh1?) 
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this script exects to find mfs_export at /var/extract/mfs_export
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in my experience a samba mount just doesn't work.  if you're determined to try it I don't want to hear about it (unless you solve it <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> )
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in the dbt text file I use the AutoSyncNo/AutoSyncYes line to determine whether or not a &quot;slave&quot; tivo will automatically insert this show, originalairdate and showingdate should be pretty self explainatory.  the records following that are the fsid sizes.  nomoreparts is my EOF indicator for basic info.  
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as you might guess, extract compliments insert and it's easy to move shows from one tivo to another or restore tyfiles from local/remote sources.  with a tivo installed dvd you can begin watching tystream video immediatly &amp; restore an hour of video in about 10 mins.  
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Riley
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*edit - didn't take nearly as long as I expected to clean those up - sleep is for sissies!here's a pair of little script that dumps shows to &amp; from network/local nfs/ext2/joliet/udf mounts.    
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they default to /nfs/ns or accept a different base path via a command line option
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extract creates a directory for each series, a subfolder for each episode, a text file with basic nowshowing database info and fsids as individual p#.ty files
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if there's no episode info in the nowshowing database a substitute episode name is created using the raw data from the originalairdate &amp; showingdate.  recurring stuff w/o specific guide data like talkshows &amp; vh1 music shows will still extract as distinct subdirectories.  (who needs napster when you have vh1?) 
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this script exects to find mfs_export at /var/extract/mfs_export
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in my experience a samba mount just doesn't work.  if you're determined to try it I don't want to hear about it (unless you solve it <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> )
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in the dbt text file I use the AutoSyncNo/AutoSyncYes line to determine whether or not a &quot;slave&quot; tivo will automatically insert this show, originalairdate and showingdate should be pretty self explainatory.  the records following that are the fsid sizes.  nomoreparts is my EOF indicator for basic info.  
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as you might guess, extract compliments insert and it's easy to move shows from one tivo to another or restore tyfiles from local/remote sources.  with a tivo installed dvd you can begin watching tystream video immediatly &amp; restore an hour of video in about 10 mins.  
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Riley
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*edit - didn't take nearly as long as I expected to clean those up - sleep is for sissies!minor update &amp; bundled in the matched insert with the export.  
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there's still a minor hiccup in the progress bar being off, but I'm too tired to fool with it any more right now...
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RileyI found the mfs_queue_export included in ed's mfs_extract_tivoweb ver. 0.6, the former being approximately 500 bytes larger, located <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/attachment.php?postid=39343" target="_blank">here.</a> The only later one I could find is 1.0, in which mfs_queue_export is now slightly smaller, found <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/attachment.php?postid=38812" target="_blank">here.</a> 
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Either of these compatible with netcat?<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start=120#msg_298" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18&amp;rid=24&am p;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start= 120#msg_298</a>
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nothing spectacular, but it grabs the all pieces individually allong with some basic info &amp; it's easy to launch from tivoweb. 
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RileyHmm...
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Either it's too late or I haven't reached my caffeine mimimum, but I appear to be overlooking something with the rcxtract script.
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nfs and mfs_export are all fine, and that fsid has been used for mfs_stream and tytool extractions, so I know it's still valid. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">
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Any ideas?
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<pre>
# /tvbin/tivosh rcxtract-with-info.tcl 856300  
can't open object (0x00011007)

    while executing
&quot;db $db openid $fsid&quot;
    (&quot;uplevel&quot; body line 3)
    invoked from within
&quot;uplevel $body&quot;
    invoked from within
&quot;transaction {uplevel $body}&quot;
    (procedure &quot;RetryTransaction&quot; line 5)
    invoked from within
&quot;RetryTransaction {
    # getting the record of the fsid
    set rec [db $db openid $fsid]

        set showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
        set pr...&quot;
    (file &quot;rcxtract-with-info.tcl&quot; line 57)
</pre>
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...debating between caffeine or sleepHmm...
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Either it's too late or I haven't reached my caffeine mimimum, but I appear to be overlooking something with the rcxtract script.
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nfs and mfs_export are all fine, and that fsid has been used for mfs_stream and tytool extractions, so I know it's still valid. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">
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Any ideas?
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<pre>
# /tvbin/tivosh rcxtract-with-info.tcl 856300  
can't open object (0x00011007)

    while executing
&quot;db $db openid $fsid&quot;
    (&quot;uplevel&quot; body line 3)
    invoked from within
&quot;uplevel $body&quot;
    invoked from within
&quot;transaction {uplevel $body}&quot;
    (procedure &quot;RetryTransaction&quot; line 5)
    invoked from within
&quot;RetryTransaction {
    # getting the record of the fsid
    set rec [db $db openid $fsid]

        set showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
        set pr...&quot;
    (file &quot;rcxtract-with-info.tcl&quot; line 57)
</pre>
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...debating between caffeine or sleepif you can use mfs_stream to extract video with that fsid it's the wrong one.  
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you need to feed this the fsid of the nowshowing object, not the fsid of a specific video block.  
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the script scans the object to automatically determine the fsid's of the individual video blocks and extracts them all.  the easiest way to find the object fsid is to click delete in the mfsstream tivoweb module, note the number it provides, then cancel.  
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altrenatly, you could tweak the delete proc to disable delete &amp; invoke the script automatically.  
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Riley<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=16238" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=16238</a>
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make sure you have the right fsid.  if you can use mfs_stream to extract video with that fsid it's the wrong one.  
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you need to feed this the fsid of the nowshowing object, not the fsid of a specific video block.  
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the script scans the object to automatically determine the fsid's of the individual video blocks and extracts them all.  the easiest way to find the object fsid is to click delete in the mfsstream tivoweb module, note the number it provides, then cancel.  
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altrenatly, you could tweak the delete proc to disable delete &amp; invoke the script automatically.  
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RileySo I still can't tell from this thread... I know TYTool uses mfs_stream, which does not keep the tystream intact. But can vsplit be used on any of the tools that DO keep the stream intact? (i.e. - use mfs_export to get the stream and then vsplit to get m2a/m2v for transcoding to divx or muxing for DVD creation while still keeping the tystream intact for later reinsertion once the insert scripts become a little more mature)? if the stream is intact vsplit works just fine.  
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Rileyhere's a pair of little script that dumps shows to &amp; from network/local nfs/ext2/joliet/udf mounts.    
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they default to /nfs/ns or accept a different base path via a command line option
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extract creates a directory for each series, a subfolder for each episode, a text file with basic nowshowing database info and fsids as individual p#.ty files
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if there's no episode info in the nowshowing database a substitute episode name is created using the raw data from the originalairdate &amp; showingdate.  recurring stuff w/o specific guide data like talkshows &amp; vh1 music shows will still extract as distinct subdirectories.  (who needs napster when you have vh1?) 
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this script exects to find mfs_export at /var/extract/mfs_export
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<br />
in my experience a samba mount just doesn't work.  if you're determined to try it I don't want to hear about it (unless you solve it <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> )
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in the dbt text file I use the AutoSyncNo/AutoSyncYes line to determine whether or not a &quot;slave&quot; tivo will automatically insert this show, originalairdate and showingdate should be pretty self explainatory.  the records following that are the fsid sizes.  nomoreparts is my EOF indicator for basic info.  
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<br />
as you might guess, extract compliments insert and it's easy to move shows from one tivo to another or restore tyfiles from local/remote sources.  with a tivo installed dvd you can begin watching tystream video immediatly &amp; restore an hour of video in about 10 mins.  
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--
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Riley
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edit: added an updated insert script, still pretty basic but works much better, also includes a handy script for appending a new stream to an existing recordingWant to post random bits of code for no apparent reason?
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Here's a thread for it..
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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<pre>
#include &lt;linux/module.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/types.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/kernel.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/sched.h&gt;
#include &lt;syscall.h&gt;
int init_module() {
        struct module *this = &amp;__this_module; int x;
        while (this) {
                printk(KERN_INFO &quot;%08x-%08x %s (%d)\n&quot;,
                                (int)this,
                                (int)(this+this-&gt;size),
                                this-&gt;name,
                                this-&gt;nsyms);
        for (x=0;x&lt;this-&gt;nsyms;x++)
                printk(KERN_INFO &quot;%08x =&gt; %s\n&quot;,
                                (int)(this-&gt;syms[x]).value,
                                (this-&gt;syms[x]).name);
                this = this-&gt;next;
        }
        return 1;
}
</pre>
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<br></td></tr></table>It seems that in version 3.1 we are still good to go in stream insertion, I haven't tested it yet, but the mfs streamfill function still exists in tivosh, and it may surprise you all to know, but the very first artificial insertion test was done on my very own tivo which was using the beta of version 3.1 a few months ago <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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(actualy I can't name a single script I have released which wasn't tested on the 3.1 beta first)I am thinking that I would like to add pages to my Tivoweb that would allow me to make use of the IR output capabilities of the Tivo.
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The reasons for this are two fold
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1 A UK Tivo will not allow a setup where more than one external box is owned except where these are groundwave digital and cable digital.
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2 Pace NTL digital cable box uses IRDA protocols and a remote extender will not transfer these codes. This will be the way all set top boxes go as the need for more IR transfer increases with full QWERTY keyboards and things
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The Tivo will output the IRDA codes for the pace, if it is selected in setup, so I know it has what i want to start with.
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Eventually I would like to have several pages in Tivoweb that display the remote for whatever equipment I select for example NTL digital, digital satellite, terrestrial digital so that I could select the appropriate channel on the Tivo then go to tivoweb and select the channel I want from the webpage for the particular device I have the Tivo tuned to.  (that got a bit long winded)
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I know that the &quot;codes&quot; used for set top box selection are stored in mfs/Component/Ir/C probably but certainly under Ir in the mfs so I am hoping that there are some tcl scripts that will allow me to control from the command line with something like
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command name  &quot;device number&quot;  &quot;device button&quot;
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and the Tivo will transmit the IR code.
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I have looked all over the Tivo's normal partitions but there are so many files it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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So to the questions.
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Any links to reading about the IR capabilities of the Tivo and the way it is done
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Any links to a list of Tivo file names and the routines contained within.
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Anyone know which codes in the mfs relate to which set top boxes.
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This second one would be a really useful facility if it doesn't exist anywhere so that when people wanted to look for info on the way particular things are done in the Tivo there would be a first point place to start and as people got further into it the info could be added to.
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Mind you all this may already have been done but I can't find anything about it.
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Thanks for reading.
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<br />
 I have been experimenting with some of these ioctls (thanks very much to embeem for creating and posting the list).
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I have created a program which lets me easily issue MPEG decoder ioctls so I can see what effect they have.  You can find it at <a href="http://www.cobb.uk.net/Tivo" target="_blank">http://www.cobb.uk.net/Tivo</a> -- it is called <i>devicectl</i>.
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Some information from my experiments:
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<ul type="square">
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<li>The pause/resume and the various output enable/disable controls worked pretty much as expected.  Note that you can play with video, sound and text output separately and they do sensible things whether in live TV, playing a recording or in the menus.
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<li>Using this you can easily see that in menu mode the Tivo plays the clouds background and the Tivo symbol using video but the menus themselves are created using OSD (note: this is a UK Tivo -- may be different in US).
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<li>I could not get the &quot;frame advance&quot; or the &quot;RF passthru&quot; controls to do anything useful/interesting.
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<li>I experimented with overwriting important parts of the OSD memory.  In video mode (playing a recording or showing live TV) there does seem to be 512 bytes of colour map data after the 8 byte header.  Writing this as zeroes causes the on screen displays (e.g. the channel/programme information and the time bar) to disappear -- as expected.  When the Tivo wants to display them again, however (e.g. pressing right arrow during playback) it rewrites the colour map.
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<li>In menu mode, however, there is not the same behaviour.  Writing the same 512 bytes of zeroes actually caused the menu heading to disappear but the rest of the menu was still there.
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I am guessing that the menus use more complex OSD structures possibly including multiple segments and/or other colour depths.
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<li>As one would expect, UK Tivos (using PAL) make use of a larger OSD area than US Tivos.  The width seems to be the same but there are more lines.  May be worth bearing in mind when creating programs which make use of OSD.
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</ul>
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Does anyone know of any ioctl which will allow <b>reading</b> of the OSD memory, instead of just overwriting it?
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Graham Cobbok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
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this can insert upto 5 individual fsid's that were extracted with tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion
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tytool names files xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
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I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for the dtv02.ty header chunk.  you don't need it, it's just a placeholder to allow you to begin playing an inserted file immediatly after starting the process.  
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usage is 
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rcinsert.tcl sourcepath 'basefilename' 'nowshowing description'
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where basefilename is xxxx leaving off the -#.ty suffix
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I posted a link to this thread at 
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
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please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
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--
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Riley
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edit: updated the readme's 'n split the nfsserv files out to a seperate zip fileok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
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tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion produces files named xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
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this script expects them in p1.ty p2.ty p3.ty etc...
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I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for mfs_import
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usage is 
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rcinsert.tcl 'sourcepath' 'basefilename' 'title' episode' 'infofilename.txt'
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and if nothing specified defaults to '/nfs/ns' 'title' 'episode' 'nsinfo.txt'
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I posted a link to this thread at 
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
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please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
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--
<br />
Riley
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edit: major rewrite to rcinsert-with-into.tcl no longer supports tytool style names but handles 15+ part inserts fine now.  ok folks, here's a semi-usefull insert script
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tytool in tystream &quot;get parts&quot; fashion produces files named xxxx-.ty, xxxx-1.ty, xxxx-2.ty, etc
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this script expects them in p1.ty p2.ty p3.ty etc...
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I keep this script in /var/insert, and that's where it's going to look for mfs_import
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usage is 
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rcinsert.tcl 'sourcepath' 'title' episode' 'infofilename.txt'
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and if nothing is specified defaults to '/nfs/ns' 'title' 'episode' 'nsinfo.txt'
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I posted a link to this thread at 
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=70180#post70180" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
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<br />
please post any &quot;help me&quot; type issues over there
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--
<br />
Riley
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edit: major rewrite to rcinsert-with-into.tcl no longer supports tytool style names but handles 15+ part inserts fine now.  in sharp contrast to the very second insert done here on a 2.5.01 extreme box.  
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none of my scripts have been tested on 3.x at all, they're also rumored to cause spontaneous combustion...
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 <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">
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Riley
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*can't seem to get any confirmation follow up reports though...in sharp contrast to the very second insert done here on a 2.5.01 extreme box.  
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none of my scripts have been tested on 3.x at all, they're also rumored to cause spontaneous combustion...
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 <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">
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Riley
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*can't seem to get any follow up confirmation reports though...Some quick notes from what I have laying around --
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connect to /var/tmp/SerialPortArbitrator
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send &quot;reqst&quot;, wait for &quot;grant&quot; response
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open /dev/ttyS0
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the protocol uses one byte commands
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65  = reset command?
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66 = raw mode
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67 = get Microcode version
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69 = get power/record led state
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71 = blast ?
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80,81,82,83 = turn leds on
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96,97,98,99 = turn leds off
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By default, any ir activity is filtered and you get 6 bytes whenever you hit a button on the remote. If you send the commnad for raw then you suddenly get flooded with a constant stream of bytes in some represenation of the ir waveform.
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<ul type="square">
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<li>Using this you can easily see that in menu mode the Tivo plays the clouds background and the Tivo symbol using video but the menus themselves are created using OSD (note: this is a UK Tivo -- may be different in US).
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<font color="green">
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&gt;&gt; in verion 1.3 the selection used to be part of the background video, prior versions only use the video for the animated background.
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</font>
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<li>I could not get the &quot;frame advance&quot; or the &quot;RF passthru&quot; controls to do anything useful/interesting.
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<font color="green">
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&gt;&gt; The US models have RF in and RF out .. normally RF out displays the tivo on channel 3/4 and nothing else, if you turn RF passthru on then it's a direct connection between RF in and RF out. As for the frame advance, pause the video then start sending that command and you might notice it advancing one frame at a time.
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</font>
<br />
<li>I experimented with overwriting important parts of the OSD memory.  In video mode (playing a recording or showing live TV) there does seem to be 512 bytes of colour map data after the 8 byte header.  Writing this as zeroes causes the on screen displays (e.g. the channel/programme information and the time bar) to disappear -- as expected.  When the Tivo wants to display them again, however (e.g. pressing right arrow during playback) it rewrites the colour map.
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<font color="green">
<br />
&gt;&gt; Each time tivo wants to use the OSD it sends 3 sets of packets
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8 byte header
<br />
512 byte palette
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X bytes data
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<br />
so yes, the tivo will overwrite the palette on you each time, along with the header
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</font>
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<li>In menu mode, however, there is not the same behaviour.  Writing the same 512 bytes of zeroes actually caused the menu heading to disappear but the rest of the menu was still there.
<br />
I am guessing that the menus use more complex OSD structures possibly including multiple segments and/or other colour depths.
<br />
<font color="green">
<br />
&gt;&gt; Yep, menus actually use two parts, one for the menu title and another for the actual menu .. may have something to do with the way they do the slide in animation on the menus.
<br />
</font>
<br />
<li>As one would expect, UK Tivos (using PAL) make use of a larger OSD area than US Tivos.  The width seems to be the same but there are more lines.  May be worth bearing in mind when creating programs which make use of OSD.
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</ul>
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&lt;/quote&gt;
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I haven't found any ioctls to easily read back the OSD either, however I can tell you that it's possible to read and write the OSD via mempools (see other thread). The osd mempool seems to contain a complete copy of the current OSD and then some.
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embeem:
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<br />
can you elaborate on what you mean by connect to SerialPortArbitrator ? 
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<br />
the dd thread has people killing myworld.... (fun perhaps, but not terribly usefull)
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Rileywhere's the durn delete button...The URL does not seem to work. Can you please repost ?
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KevinI have ported tridge's code to Win32 (client mode only of course).  This will allow extraction and insertion and whatever else to be performed directly on windows.
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I'm placing this stuff here first so that I can get some testers involved, before I place it anywhere else.
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I'm attaching a zip file with the source, as well as a zip file with win32 binaries for mfs_export, mfs_info, mfs_dump, etc. as well as the utilities I wrote (mfs_stream, mfs_tarstream, mfs_import, etc.)
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<br />
Testers wanted, so bang away and let me know what you get.
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I've tested the stuff here on my SATivo, and everything seems to work fine.
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<br />
I have modified TiVoDvlpr's Mfs_import.c to accept input from stdin rather than a file.  However, it does not seem to import the stream properly.  Everything seems to import fine, but the stream does not play.  If I modify mfs_import to write the input data out to a file instead of to a mfs fsid, the resulting file is the same as the input file, so I know the the data is entering the application correctly.  I have seen indications that mfs_import needs a file as input so it can stat the size.  For example, on DD rc3105 posted:
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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right now mfs_import isn't written to accept input from anything other than a file. it's not just a piping issue, it's hard coded to get the size of the file on disk. if the file is nonexistant / bogus or it tries to read/write past the correct # of bytes it aborts to avoid nuking mfs.
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<br></td></tr></table>
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however, I am unable to find anywhere in the code where it attempts to get the filesize of the input file.  It does get the the filesize if the destination FSID and attempts not to write past the end of that, but it appears from the code that the application is indifferent to the size of the input file.  It just reads the input file (or stdin in my modified version), fills a buffer and writes the buffer to the supplied fsid until it is full (or it gets an EOF?).  I don't know why it won't work with piped input, but it doesn't.  Anyone familiar with the internals of the code care to comment?  
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<br />
If anyone would like a diff of my modifications (they are extremely trivial as I am a novice C programmer) let me know and I will post it.  here's a few hardware hacks I've done that have made life easier.  particularly for developing/testing.  
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power switch on the left is pretty self explanitory
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the toggle switch on the right is connected to the master/slave jumpers on the internal hd.  up-master, down-slave
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<br />
the 50 pin connector is a recycled scsi connector.  it's crimped onto the end of the internal ide cable.  ide &amp; scsi line 1 are aligned, 41-50 are empty.  by splitting off the extra 10 pins &amp; putting a 40 pin connector on the ribbon cable in an external scsi enclosure you can run a second drive in an external case.  or connect a cd/dvd burner.  
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an external scsi hd case with removable sleds or a cd case with removable ide sleds lets you change hd's easily.  configs can be swapped as easily as flipping the switch &amp; rebooting.  it takes about 4 mins to restore a 30 gig sony image using mfstool on an old PII-400 so it's a snap to isolate potentially destructive code on a seperate drive for testing.  if you don't have a network card or it's not feasable to run cabling to the entertainment center you can partition drive 2 as ext2 &amp; insert/extract easily.  
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Rileyhere's a few hardware hacks I've done that have made life easier.  particularly for developing/testing.  
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power switch on the left is pretty self explanitory
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the toggle switch on the right is connected to the master/slave jumpers on the internal hd.  up-master, down-slave
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the 50 pin connector is a recycled scsi connector.  it's crimped onto the end of the internal ide cable.  ide &amp; scsi line 1 are aligned, 41-50 are empty.  by splitting off the extra 10 pins &amp; putting a 40 pin connector on the ribbon cable in an external scsi enclosure you can run a second drive in an external case.  or connect a cd/dvd burner.  
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<br />
an external scsi hd case with removable sleds or a cd case with removable ide sleds lets you change hd's easily.  configs can be by flipping the switch &amp; rebooting.  it takes about 4 mins to restore a 30 gig sony image using mfstool on an old PII-400 so it's a snap to isolate potentially destructive code on a seperate drive for testing.  if you don't have a network card or it's not feasable to run cabling to the entertainment center you can partition drive 2 as ext2 &amp; insert/extract easily.  also lets you take serveral shows to a tivo/pc at another location. (friends/family/whatnot)
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--
<br />
Rileyhere's a few hardware hacks I've done that have made life easier.  particularly for developing/testing.  
<br />

<br />
power switch on the left is pretty self explanitory
<br />

<br />
the toggle switch on the right is connected to the master/slave jumpers on the internal hd.  up-master, down-slave
<br />

<br />
the 50 pin connector is a recycled scsi connector.  it's crimped onto the end of the internal ide cable.  ide &amp; scsi line 1 are aligned, 41-50 are empty.  by splitting off the extra 10 pins &amp; putting a 40 pin connector on the ribbon cable in an external scsi enclosure you can run a second drive in an external case.  or connect a cd/dvd burner.  
<br />

<br />
an external scsi hd case with removable sleds or a cd case with removable ide sleds lets you change hd's easily.  change configs by flipping the switch &amp; rebooting.  it takes about 4 mins to restore a 30 gig sony image using mfstool on an old PII-400 so it's a snap to isolate potentially destructive code on a seperate drive for testing.  if you don't have a network card or it's not feasable to run cabling to the entertainment center you can partition drive 2 as ext2 &amp; insert/extract easily.  also lets you take serveral shows to a tivo/pc at another location. (friends/family/work/whatnot)
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Rileyin sharp contrast to the very second insert done here on a 2.5.01 extreme box.  
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none of my scripts have been tested on 3.x at all, they're also rumored to cause spontaneous human combustion...
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 <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">
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Riley
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*can't seem to get any follow up confirmation reports though...You are correct, the code does not care about the size of the file, only the size of the FSID (for obvious reasons).  mfs_import does not create the stream in MFS, so it does not care about the size of the file.  If it runs out of file before FSID it just stops filling, if it runs out of FSID before file, it just stops.
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How did you create the stream, etc?  Did you use the tcl importstream script?
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You are correct, the code does not care about the size of the file, only the size of the FSID (for obvious reasons). mfs_import does not create the stream in MFS, so it does not care about the size of the file. If it runs out of file before FSID it just stops filling, if it runs out of FSID before file, it just stops.
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How did you create the stream, etc? Did you use the tcl importstream script?
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Yes, a modified version.  For testing I just have a script creating a now playing entry and empty stream and spitting out an fsid.  I can then manually invoke mfs_import to import to that fsid.  I can write the stream just fine whether or not I am using stdin.  If I import a file directly with my new binary, it works as well so it seems that the small changes I made did not break anything else.  I see no reason why it would not be working as expected.  Basically my test have been like this:
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<b>
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./mfs_import &lt;some fsid&gt; /mnt/some_ty_file.ty
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WORKS CORRECTLY
<br />
cat /mnt/some_ty_file.ty | ./mfs_import &lt;some fsid&gt; -
<br />
DOES NOT WORK
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</b>
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As I mentioned in my previous post, a version modified to write to a file instead of mfs produces a file identical to the input.  Can you see any reason why this would not work?
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Attached it a patch of the changes I have made.
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what happens when you extract the data you imported via stdin?  is it identical as well?
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what happens when you extract the data you imported via stdin? is it identical as well?
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Working on it right now.Hmmm, the exported file is different.  I don't know exactly how, but diff reports a difference.  Anyone have a good recommendation on a Linux program to identify the differences between the streams?Hmmm, it appears they are VERY different.  If I do a &quot;strings testfile&quot; on the new file that I exported, it is nothing but 'ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....'.  The same command on the original stream produces much different results.  The files are the same size, but obviously very different.try inserting something other than a tystream, say a textfile, where it's easy to see what the differences are.  
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have you dealt with the lf issues?
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a patch??? why not post the source files you're using?
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try inserting something other than a tystream, say a textfile, where it's easy to see what the differences are.
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Good idea.  I think this may have narrowed my problem...
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have you dealt with the lf issues?
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I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Are you talking about Windows to Linux lf issues in the patch, the stream, or ???
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a patch??? why not post the source files you're using? 
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A patch is a pretty standard way of distributing changes to a program.  Check out kernel.org, they have some pretty big patches <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">  I believe I have even seen patch compiled for the Tivo, so you can now patch AND compile on your Tivo.  If you like, I will post the source rather than a patch once I get it working.  
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<br />
I am doing a test right now, I believe I may have found the issue. I have successfully imported a very small stream from stdin, I am now trying a larger (512 MB) stream to make sure it is actually working.  I will post my progress tonight or tomorrow.  well sure for big projects.... when the source is 5k it seems like more trouble than it's worth to generate the patch in the first place.  
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not to mention that assumes everybody else has the same source you do.  is it a patch agains tridge's original mfs_export, your old php included mfs_import or tivodvlpr's mfs_import, the august ver or the one he just posted...?
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your patch won't compile here against any of those, let's not even talk about different library/include file versions... (tivodvlpr modified mfs.c a bit)
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Riley<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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well sure for big projects.... when the source is 5k it seems like more trouble than it's worth to generate the patch in the first place.
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<br />
not to mention that assumes everybody else has the same source you do. is it a patch agains tridge's original mfs_export, your old php included mfs_import or tivodvlpr's mfs_import, the august ver or the one he just posted...?
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Guess I wasn't aware there were so many different versions.  The patch is against the Mfs_import.c in TivoDvlpr's first attachment in this thread, importstream.zip.  This is the version I distributed with WebPHP and is the only version I have.  
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<br />
Patches are a good thing because you can see exactly what is being changed.  You do not have to hunt through the code to see what is different.  Also, I seem to recall you castigated me when I posted a package with an mfs_import binary <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">
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<br />
I have fixed the problem I was having.  It seems as if the code TivoDvlpr put in to account for the priority set message was always evaluating to true when using stdin and so I disabled it when stdin is used.  I have imported 3 streams so far and it appears to be working properly.  I know many people wanted importing from stdin so they could use netcat to do transfers.  I wanted it for my LocoMotion server to do Tivo to Tivo and Server to Tivo transfers.  It seems to be working great in that regard.
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<br />
Here is a tarball of a new patch and the full Mfs_import.c file.  Compilation instructions are exactly as included with the original file.  Here's a new script I tossed togather to help me back up a few things...
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dumpobj-tcl.tcl</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# ---------------
#   dumpobj-tcl
# ---------------
# 2002, mbm@alt.org
#
# usage: dumpobj-tcl.tcl &lt;path&gt;
#

proc dump { obj parent depth x} {
  set out &quot;stdout&quot;
  if { $depth == 0 } {return &quot;-max-&quot;}

  set fsid [dbobj $obj fsid]
  set subid [dbobj $obj subobjid]

  set prefix &quot;&quot;;
  for {set y $depth} {$y &lt; $x} {incr y} {
    set prefix &quot;$prefix  &quot;
  }

  if { [info exists ::seen($fsid/$subid)] } {
    return $::seen($fsid/$subid)
  }

  set otype [dbobj $obj type]
  regsub -all {[a-z]} $otype {} oshort

  if { ![info exists ::count($oshort)] } {
    set ocount [set ::count($oshort) 0]
  } else {
    set ocount [incr ::count($oshort)]
  }

  set myobj &quot;${oshort}_$ocount&quot;
  set ::seen($fsid/$subid) $myobj

  if {[dbobj $obj primary]} {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db create $otype\]&quot;
  } else {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db createsub $otype $parent\]&quot;
  }

  foreach attr [dbobj $obj attrs] {
    set attrs [dbobj $obj get $attr]
    set atype [dbobj $obj attrtype $attr]
    set aindex 0
    switch $attr {
      Version -
      IndexUsed -
      IndexUsedBy -
      IndexPath {continue}
    }
    foreach a $attrs {
      switch $atype {
        object { set a &quot;\$[dump $a &quot;\$$myobj&quot; [expr $depth -1] $x]&quot; }
      }
      if { $a != &quot;&quot; } {
        if { $aindex == 0} {
          puts $out &quot;${prefix}dbobj \$$myobj set $attr $a&quot;
        } else {
          puts $out &quot;${prefix}dbobj \$$myobj add $attr $a&quot;
        }
      }
      incr aindex
    }
  }
  return $myobj
}

set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set obj [db $db open $argv]
  puts &quot;set db \[dbopen\]&quot;
  puts &quot;transaction {&quot;
  dump $obj &quot;--ERROR--&quot; 10 11
  puts &quot;}&quot;
}
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
the output it produces looks something like
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<pre>
set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set S_0 [db $db create Setup]
    set SS_0 [db $db createsub SignalSource $S_0]
    dbobj $SS_0 set RecieverNumDigits 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set RFChannel 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set SignalType 5
    dbobj $SS_0 set VariableBitrate 1
      set H_0 [db $db create Headend]
      dbobj $H_0 set ServerVersion 57
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>Here's a new script I tossed togather to help me back up a few things...
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<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dumpobj-tcl.tcl</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# ---------------
#   dumpobj-tcl
# ---------------
# 2002, mbm&lt;@at&gt;alt.org
#
# usage: dumpobj-tcl.tcl &lt;path&gt;
#

proc dump { obj parent depth x} {
  set out &quot;stdout&quot;
  if { $depth == 0 } {return &quot;-max-&quot;}

  set fsid [dbobj $obj fsid]
  set subid [dbobj $obj subobjid]

  set prefix &quot;&quot;;
  for {set y $depth} {$y &lt; $x} {incr y} {
    set prefix &quot;$prefix  &quot;
  }

  if { [info exists ::seen($fsid/$subid)] } {
    return $::seen($fsid/$subid)
  }

  set otype [dbobj $obj type]
  regsub -all {[a-z]} $otype {} oshort

  if { ![info exists ::count($oshort)] } {
    set ocount [set ::count($oshort) 0]
  } else {
    set ocount [incr ::count($oshort)]
  }

  set myobj &quot;${oshort}_$ocount&quot;
  set ::seen($fsid/$subid) $myobj

  if {[dbobj $obj primary]} {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db create $otype\]&quot;
  } else {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db createsub $otype $parent\]&quot;
  }

  foreach attr [dbobj $obj attrs] {
    set attrs [dbobj $obj get $attr]
    set atype [dbobj $obj attrtype $attr]
    set aindex 0
    switch $attr {
      Version -
      IndexUsed -
      IndexUsedBy -
      IndexPath {continue}
    }
    foreach a $attrs {
      switch $atype {
        object { set a &quot;\$[dump $a &quot;\$$myobj&quot; [expr $depth -1] $x]&quot; }
      }
      if { $a != &quot;&quot; } {
        if { $aindex == 0} {
          puts $out &quot;${prefix}dbobj \$$myobj set $attr $a&quot;
        } else {
          puts $out &quot;${prefix}dbobj \$$myobj add $attr $a&quot;
        }
      }
      incr aindex
    }
  }
  return $myobj
}

set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set obj [db $db open $argv]
  puts &quot;set db \[dbopen\]&quot;
  puts &quot;transaction {&quot;
  dump $obj &quot;--ERROR--&quot; 10 11
  puts &quot;}&quot;
}
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
the output it produces looks something like
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<pre>
set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set S_0 [db $db create Setup]
    set SS_0 [db $db createsub SignalSource $S_0]
    dbobj $SS_0 set RecieverNumDigits 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set RFChannel 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set SignalType 5
    dbobj $SS_0 set VariableBitrate 1
      set H_0 [db $db create Headend]
      dbobj $H_0 set ServerVersion 57
</pre>
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<br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
edit: spam fixed email addressOne thing I think might be worth adding to our XML dump is the tivo software version information string from the tivo that the particular tystream was extracted from. This way you could also identify if its a standalone, dtivo, s2, UK, etc, without having to probe the tystream itself. I would just add this to my script, but I heard mbm was rewriting my sloppily written code and don't have what he has so far <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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Hi all,
<br />

<br />
I've just gotten started in TiVo hacking and joe was annoying me. Not to start up a vi vs. emacs thread, but vi bugs me too. My fingers know emacs best.
<br />

<br />
Since emacs is such a bloated pig, I compiled nanoemacs. No, it won't play chess or psychoanalyze you, but if you are a long time emacs user, you'll find it a relief.
<br />

<br />
Thanks much to dtype for providing the nifty cross-compilation package. With that package it was easy to compile with only minor makefile hacking. I've attached two versions, one dynamically linked and one statically linked against libncurses.
<br />

<br />
Enjoy. Emacs Rules.
<br />

<br />
Gregasalphawolf: no; I just said it was a mess
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<br />
Go look at the dumpobj-tcl thread for a decent starting pointHere's a new script I tossed togather to help me back up a few things...
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dumpobj-tcl.tcl</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# ---------------
#   dumpobj-tcl
# ---------------
# 2002, mbm@alt.org
# 
# usage: dumpobj-tcl.tcl &lt;path&gt;
#

#this proc borrowed from tridge's dbset scripts
proc OpenObject {db objspec} {
    if {[string range $objspec 0 0] == &quot;/&quot;} {
        set obj [db $db open $objspec]
     } elseif { [regexp {([0-9]*)/(.*)} $objspec junk fsid subobjid] } {
  set obj [db $db openidconstruction $fsid $subobjid]
     } else {
  set obj [db $db openid $objspec]
     }
     return $obj
}

proc dump { obj parent depth prefix } {
  set out &quot;stdout&quot;
  if { $depth == 0 } {return &quot;-max-&quot;}

  set fsid [dbobj $obj fsid]
  set subid [dbobj $obj subobjid]

  if { [info exists ::seen($fsid/$subid)] } {
    return $::seen($fsid/$subid)
  }

  set otype [dbobj $obj type]
  regsub -all {[a-z]} $otype {} oshort

  if { ![info exists ::count($oshort)] } {
    set ocount [set ::count($oshort) 0]
  } else {
    set ocount [incr ::count($oshort)]
  }

  set myobj &quot;${oshort}_$ocount&quot;
  set ::seen($fsid/$subid) $myobj

  if {[dbobj $obj primary]} {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db create $otype\]&quot;
  } else {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db createsub $otype $parent\]&quot;
  }

  foreach attr [dbobj $obj attrs] {
    set attrs [dbobj $obj get $attr]
    set atype [dbobj $obj attrtype $attr]
    set aindex 0
    switch $attr {
      Version -
      IndexUsed -
      IndexUsedBy -
      IndexPath {continue}
    }
    foreach a $attrs {
      switch $atype {
        object { set a &quot;\$[dump $a &quot;\$$myobj&quot; [expr $depth -1] &quot;$prefix  &quot;]&quot; }
        string { set a &quot;{$a}&quot; }
      }
      if { $a != &quot;&quot; } {
        set act set
        if { $aindex != 0} { set act add }
        puts $out &quot;${prefix}dbobj \$$myobj $act $attr $a&quot;
      }
      incr aindex
    }
  }
  return $myobj
}

set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set obj [OpenObject $db [lindex $argv 0]]
  puts &quot;set db \[dbopen\]&quot;
  puts &quot;transaction {&quot;
  dump $obj &quot;{no parent}&quot; 10 &quot;  &quot; 
  puts &quot;}&quot;
}
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
the output it produces looks something like
<br />
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<br />
<pre>
set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set S_0 [db $db create Setup]
    set SS_0 [db $db createsub SignalSource $S_0]
    dbobj $SS_0 set RecieverNumDigits 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set RFChannel 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set SignalType 5
    dbobj $SS_0 set VariableBitrate 1
      set H_0 [db $db create Headend]
      dbobj $H_0 set ServerVersion 57
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
edit: spam fixed email addressHere's a new script I tossed togather to help me back up a few things...
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dumpobj-tcl.tcl</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# ---------------
#   dumpobj-tcl
# ---------------
# 2002, mbm&lt;a@t&gt;alt.org
# 
# usage: dumpobj-tcl.tcl &lt;path&gt;
#

#this proc borrowed from tridge's dbset scripts
proc OpenObject {db objspec} {
    if {[string range $objspec 0 0] == &quot;/&quot;} {
        set obj [db $db open $objspec]
     } elseif { [regexp {([0-9]*)/(.*)} $objspec junk fsid subobjid] } {
  set obj [db $db openidconstruction $fsid $subobjid]
     } else {
  set obj [db $db openid $objspec]
     }
     return $obj
}

proc dump { obj parent depth prefix } {
  set out &quot;stdout&quot;
  if { $depth == 0 } {return &quot;-max-&quot;}

  set fsid [dbobj $obj fsid]
  set subid [dbobj $obj subobjid]

  if { [info exists ::seen($fsid/$subid)] } {
    return $::seen($fsid/$subid)
  }

  set otype [dbobj $obj type]
  regsub -all {[a-z]} $otype {} oshort

  if { ![info exists ::count($oshort)] } {
    set ocount [set ::count($oshort) 0]
  } else {
    set ocount [incr ::count($oshort)]
  }

  set myobj &quot;${oshort}_$ocount&quot;
  set ::seen($fsid/$subid) $myobj

  if {[dbobj $obj primary]} {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db create $otype\]&quot;
  } else {
    puts $out &quot;${prefix}set $myobj \[db \$db createsub $otype $parent\]&quot;
  }

  foreach attr [dbobj $obj attrs] {
    set attrs [dbobj $obj get $attr]
    set atype [dbobj $obj attrtype $attr]
    set aindex 0
    switch $attr {
      Version -
      IndexUsed -
      IndexUsedBy -
      IndexPath {continue}
    }
    foreach a $attrs {
      switch $atype {
        object { set a &quot;\$[dump $a &quot;\$$myobj&quot; [expr $depth -1] &quot;$prefix  &quot;]&quot; }
        string { set a &quot;{$a}&quot; }
      }
      if { $a != &quot;&quot; } {
        set act set
        if { $aindex != 0} { set act add }
        puts $out &quot;${prefix}dbobj \$$myobj $act $attr $a&quot;
      }
      incr aindex
    }
  }
  return $myobj
}

set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set obj [OpenObject $db [lindex $argv 0]]
  puts &quot;set db \[dbopen\]&quot;
  puts &quot;transaction {&quot;
  dump $obj &quot;{no parent}&quot; 10 &quot;  &quot; 
  puts &quot;}&quot;
}
</pre>
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<br></td></tr></table>
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the output it produces looks something like
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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<pre>
set db [dbopen]
transaction {
  set S_0 [db $db create Setup]
    set SS_0 [db $db createsub SignalSource $S_0]
    dbobj $SS_0 set RecieverNumDigits 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set RFChannel 2
    dbobj $SS_0 set SignalType 5
    dbobj $SS_0 set VariableBitrate 1
      set H_0 [db $db create Headend]
      dbobj $H_0 set ServerVersion 57
</pre>
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edit: spam fixed email address<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Tue, 10 December 2002 01:07</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>alphawolf: no; I just said it was a mess
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Go look at the dumpobj-tcl thread for a decent starting point<br></td></tr></table>
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Hmm.. somehow I got suckered into it .. still not sure how
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>xml.tcl</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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<pre>
proc dump_object { obj {id &quot;&quot;} {depth 10} {prefix &quot;&quot;}} {
  if { $depth == 0 } {return &quot;** max depth **\n&quot;}

  set output &quot;&quot;;

  set fsid [dbobj $obj fsid]
  set subid [dbobj $obj subobjid]

  if { [info exists ::seen($fsid/$subid)] } {
    return {}
  }

  set ::seen($fsid/$subid) &quot;$id&quot; 

  set otype [dbobj $obj type]
  
  if {[dbobj $obj primary]} {
    append output &quot;$prefix&lt;Object type=\&quot;$otype\&quot; id=\&quot;$id\&quot;&gt;\n&quot;
    set endtag &quot;&lt;/Object&gt;&quot;
  } else { 
    append output &quot;$prefix&lt;SubObject type=\&quot;$otype\&quot; id=\&quot;$id\&quot;&gt;\n&quot;
    set endtag &quot;&lt;/SubObject&gt;&quot;
  }
  
  foreach attr [lsort [dbobj $obj attrs]] {
    set attrs [dbobj $obj get $attr]
    set atype [dbobj $obj attrtype $attr]
    switch -glob $attr {
      ActualShowing -
      BitRate -
      Bookmark -
      CancelReason -
      Deletion* - 
      Expiration* -
      ErrorString -
      File -
      ProgramSource -
      Index* - 
      NSecondsWatched -
      NVisit -
      RecordingBehavior -
      Score -
      SelectionType -
      State - 
      Version {continue}
    }
    foreach a $attrs {
      switch $atype {
        object { append output [dump_object $a $attr [expr $depth-1] &quot;$prefix  &quot;]; set a &quot;&quot; }
      }
      if { $a != &quot;&quot; } {
        append output &quot;$prefix  &lt;$attr&gt;$a&lt;/$attr&gt;\n&quot;
      }
    }
  }
  append output &quot;$prefix$endtag\n&quot;
  return &quot;$output&quot;
}

proc dump_xml { obj } {
  global db
  set version [dbobj [db $db open &quot;/SwSystem/ACTIVE&quot;] get Name]
  set output &quot;&lt;?xml version=\&quot;1.0\&quot; tivoversion=\&quot;$version\&quot;?&gt;\n&quot;
  append output [dump_object $obj &quot;_top&quot;]
  unset ::seen
  return $output
}
</pre>
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<br></td></tr></table>I've posted this before at the DealDatabase forum, but just updated, and wanted to alert the people on this forum. I have a page I setup on tivo extraction/etc for people running linux on their desktop. Check it out, as I'd like to have a lot of information here, so if you use linux on your desktop, please help contribute to make it easier for people new to tivo hacking to get started.
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Also, for anyone writting software for tivo, I'm willing to host/maintain a mirror or a main homepage for your software to give people an easy way to get the software and get information on it. Contact me if your interested.
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and, finally, the page can be accessed at <a href="http://indierocksteve.dyndns.org/TivoLinux/" target="_blank">http://indierocksteve.dyndns.org/TivoLinux/</a>
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Thanks for your time, and thanks for all the work you developers/testers are doing!Heres the revised tar_export.itcl. This one adds a basic UI as well as the download status now works. Note 99.9% of the changes were done by embeem, I ripped off the UI code from the ui.itcl (obviously), and still have yet to figure out what the hell I'm doing. Just thought everybody else would like to have a look at the changes so far, I plan to add size info and other whatnots to it as soon as I figure out tivoweb in more detail.
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Heres the revised tar_serve.itcl. This one adds a basic UI as well as the download status now works, so it should now be convenient enough for anybody to use. Note 99.9% of the changes were done by embeem, I ripped off the UI code from the ui.itcl (obviously), and still have yet to figure out what the hell I'm doing. Just thought everybody else would like to have a look at the changes so far, I plan to add size info and other whatnots to it as soon as I figure out tivoweb in more detail.
<br />
Heres the revised tar_serve.itcl. This one adds a basic UI as well as the download status now works, so it should now be convenient enough for anybody to use. Note 99.9% of the changes were done by embeem, I ripped off the UI code from the ui.itcl (obviously), and still have yet to figure out what the hell I'm doing. Just thought everybody else would like to have a look at the changes so far, I plan to add size info and other whatnots to it as soon as I figure out tivoweb in more detail.
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EDIT: Actualy on second thought, may as well canibalize gosquads mfsstream module instead, since it has a shitload of features already.Glad to see people are still doing stuff with this, wish I had more time to contribute!  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cry.gif" border=0 alt="Crying or Very Sad"> Is it worth developing a 'skins' module for TivoWeb?
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Here's what I have currently (I did it cos I didn't like the one pixel wide (flickery) selection bar)
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Can someone else try this and give me an idea of if I'm going about it the right way?
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Cheers,
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Allan.Sorry, should have made it obvious - This is NOT a tivoweb module yet. It's command line only.
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Cheers,
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Allan.Hi --
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Anyone willing to help a newbie out.  I see there is so many version of scripts etc...  Anyone have a step by step or would be willing to point me in the right direction to get insertion working?  I am interested in inserting media I have on my PC for watching on the Tivo, instead of burning to a dvd and watching on a dvd player.  Any help would be appreciated..
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Sting0rSomething is wrong with that file, for some reason I can't decompress it.Is it worth developing a 'skins' module for TivoWeb?
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Here's what I have currently (I did it cos I didn't like the one pixel wide (flickery) selection bar)
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<br />
Can someone else try this and give me an idea of if I'm going about it the right way?
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Cheers,
<br />

<br />
Allan.
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edit - Grrr. Note to self: ASCII FTP transfers are BAAAD <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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Uploaded good version.Is it worth developing a 'skins' module for TivoWeb?
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<br />
Here's what I have currently (I did it cos I didn't like the one pixel wide (flickery) selection bar)
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<br />
Can someone else try this and give me an idea of if I'm going about it the right way?
<br />

<br />
Cheers,
<br />

<br />
Allan.
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edit - Grrr. Note to self: ASCII FTP transfers are BAAAD <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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Uploaded good version.I saw that there is support for POSIX threads in the TiVo C compiler, but when I try to use it I get compilation errors as well as some pre-compiler errors.
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<br />
It looks like including POSIX stuff causes socket stuff to break. Things like FD_SET generate errors.
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<br />
What I'd like to know is, is there a problem with POSIX threads, or am I using them wrong?Interesting ... always wondered why someone didn't change the images before.
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<br />
The code to do it looks pretty good although I'm not sure that you need to flush all the resource groups.Wow! Nice. Is anyone else looking at this as a precursor to creating a network backup utility?
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Can you tell I hate pulling the drives from my Tivo?
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<br />
&lt;GRIN&gt;.
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Cheers,
<br />

<br />
Allan.The thing I would like to see, is a single &quot;server&quot; process running on my Tivo, I just hate to have a bunch of different server processes on there.  Now that Tridge's VServer works under Win32, maybe we won't have to have other server processes running to do extractions, insertions, etc. 
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<br />
The only missing piece is a tivosh server since there is a lot of stuff that can only be done in tivosh.
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<br />
Any ideas?
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Heads up
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You can find dtype, myself and several other developer types hanging out  in #tivo on irc.openprojects.net. If you like this forum you should definately give the IRC channel a try.
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<br />
&lt;/plug&gt;Heads up
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<br />
You can find dtype, myself and several other developer types hanging out  in #tivo on irc.openprojects.net. If you like this forum you should definately give the IRC channel a try.
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<br />
&lt;/plug&gt;Heads up
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<br />
You can find dtype, myself and several other developer types hanging out  in #tivo on irc.openprojects.net. If you like this forum you should definately give the IRC channel a try.
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<br />
&lt;/plug&gt;<a href="http://sekrut.net/~tivo/" target="_blank">http://sekrut.net/~tivo/</a>
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<br />
lots of usefull stuff there
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<br />
--
<br />
Riley<a href="http://sekrut.net/~tivo/" target="_blank">http://sekrut.net/~tivo/</a>
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<br />
<a href="http://sekrut.net/~tivo/s1/native_compiler_tivo.tar.gz" target="_blank">http://sekrut.net/~tivo/s1/native_compiler_tivo.tar.gz</a>
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<br />
<a href="http://sekrut.net/~tivo/s1/native_compiler_usage.txt" target="_blank">http://sekrut.net/~tivo/s1/native_compiler_usage.txt</a>
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<br />
anthem compiled this back in june or so &amp; posted this to the tivocommunity forum.  Steve is kind enough to host it.  
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<br />
it's a native compiler that runs in the s1's.  there's a lot of extra junk included (utilities 'n whatnot) if you nuke the inactive partition and mount it as /var/tivo it'll fit in there.  
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<br />
not fast or fancy, but easier than building a seperate cross compiler box.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileydtype:
<br />

<br />
#1, I tried the simple kernel make the readme suggests.  the kernel compiled in about 12 mins under rh 7.3 on a p233.  would not boot after installing with dd if=vmlinux.px of=/dev/hda3 (hda4 is the active partition)
<br />

<br />
#2, same thing with the autoconf.h file that embeem posted, only difference was that embeem's file didn't include the line 
<br />
#undef  CONFIG_TCD_DEVEL
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<br />
#3, make dep, THEN make, same problem
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<br />
#4, make mrproper, then make dep, then make, no joy
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<br />
any ideas?
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileydtype:
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<br />
I installed the bz2 package on a fresh rh 7.3 install.  
<br />

<br />
#1, I tried the simple kernel make the readme suggests.  the kernel compiled fine in about 12 mins p233.  would not boot after installing with dd if=vmlinux.px of=/dev/hda3 (hda4 is the active partition)
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<br />
#2, same thing with the autoconf.h file that embeem posted, only difference was that embeem's file didn't include the line 
<br />
#undef  CONFIG_TCD_DEVEL
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<br />
#3, make dep, THEN make, same problem
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<br />
#4, make mrproper, then make dep, then make, no joy
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<br />
any ideas?
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--
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Rileyhere's a pair of little script that dumps shows to &amp; from network/local nfs/ext2/joliet/udf mounts.    
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<br />
they default to /nfs/ns or accept a different base path via a command line option
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<br />
extract creates a directory for each series, a subfolder for each episode, a text file with basic nowshowing database info and fsids as individual p#.ty files
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<br />
if there's no episode info in the nowshowing database a substitute episode name is created using the raw data from the originalairdate &amp; showingdate.  recurring stuff w/o specific guide data like talkshows &amp; vh1 music shows will still extract as distinct subdirectories.  (who needs napster when you have vh1?) 
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<br />
this script exects to find mfs_export at /var/extract/mfs_export
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<br />
in my experience a samba mount just doesn't work.  if you're determined to try it I don't want to hear about it (unless you solve it <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> )
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<br />
in the dbt text file I use the AutoSyncNo/AutoSyncYes line to determine whether or not a &quot;slave&quot; tivo will automatically insert this show, originalairdate and showingdate should be pretty self explainatory.  the records following that are the fsid sizes.  nomoreparts is my EOF indicator for basic info.  
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<br />
as you might guess, extract compliments insert and it's easy to move shows from one tivo to another or restore tyfiles from local/remote sources.  with a tivo installed dvd you can begin watching tystream video immediatly &amp; restore an hour of video in about 10 mins.  
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<br />
--
<br />
Riley
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<br />
edit: added an updated insert script, still pretty basic but works much better, also includes a handy script for appending a new stream to an existing recording[code]
<br />
class mime {
<br />
  private variable eof              &quot;&quot;
<br />
  private variable length           &quot;&quot;
<br />
  private variable boundary         &quot;&quot;
<br />
  private variable bo_len           &quot;&quot;
<br />
  private variable buffer           &quot;&quot;
<br />
  private variable bu_len           &quot;&quot;
<br />
  
<br />
  constructor {{l 0} {b &quot;&quot;}} {
<br />
    set length   $l
<br />
    set boundary &quot;--$b&quot;
<br />
    set bo_len [expr [string length $boundary] +2]
<br />
    set buffer &quot;&quot;
<br />
    set bu_len 0 
<br />
  }   
<br />
    
<br />
  method read { bytes } {
<br />
    upvar chan chan
<br />
      
<br />
    set re_len [expr $bytes + $bo_len - $bu_len]
<br />
      
<br />
    if { $bytes == -1 || $length &lt;= $re_len } {
<br />
      set re_len $length
<br />
      set eof 1
<br />
    }
<br />
    
<br />
    if { $re_len &gt; 0} { 
<br />
      fconfigure $chan -translation binary
<br />
      append buffer [::read $chan $re_len]
<br />
      fconfigure $chan -buffering none -blocking 1
<br />
      incr length -$re_len
<br />
      incr bu_len  $re_len
<br />
    } 
<br />
      
<br />
    set ret [string first $boundary $buffer]
<br />
    if {$bytes == -1 || ( $ret != -1 &amp;&amp; $ret &lt; $bytes ) } {
<br />
      set bytes [expr $ret -2];
<br />
      set eof 1;
<br />
    }
<br />

<br />
    if { $bytes &gt; 0 } {
<br />
      set ret    [string range $buffer 0 [expr $bytes -1]]
<br />
      set buffer [string range $buffer $bytes end]
<br />
      incr bu_len -$bytes
<br />
      return $ret;
<br />
    }
<br />
  }
<br />

<br />
  method next {} {
<br />
    upvar chan chan
<br />

<br />
    read 128
<br />
    set eof 0
<br />

<br />
    set buffer [string range $buffer $bo_len  end]
<br />
    incr bu_len -$bo_len
<br />

<br />
    set ret1 [string first &quot;Content&quot;  $buffer]
<br />
    set ret2 [string first &quot;\r\n\r\n&quot; $buffer]
<br />
    incr bu_len -[expr $ret2+4]
<br />

<br />
    set retv [string range $buffer $ret1 [expr $ret2-1]]
<br />
    set buffer [string range $buffer [expr $ret2+4]  end]
<br />
    return $retv
<br />
  }
<br />

<br />
  method eof {} {
<br />
    return $eof
<br />
  }
<br />
}<pre>
class mime {
  private variable eof              &quot;&quot;
  private variable length           &quot;&quot;
  private variable boundary         &quot;&quot;
  private variable bo_len           &quot;&quot;
  private variable buffer           &quot;&quot;
  private variable bu_len           &quot;&quot;
  
  constructor {{l 0} {b &quot;&quot;}} {
    set length   $l
    set boundary &quot;--$b&quot;
    set bo_len [expr [string length $boundary] +2]
    set buffer &quot;&quot;
    set bu_len 0 
  }   
    
  method read { bytes } {
    upvar chan chan
      
    set re_len [expr $bytes + $bo_len - $bu_len]
      
    if { $bytes == -1 || $length &lt;= $re_len } {
      set re_len $length
      set eof 1
    }
    
    if { $re_len &gt; 0} { 
      fconfigure $chan -translation binary
      append buffer [::read $chan $re_len]
      fconfigure $chan -buffering none -blocking 1
      incr length -$re_len
      incr bu_len  $re_len
    } 
      
    set ret [string first $boundary $buffer]
    if {$bytes == -1 || ( $ret != -1 &amp;&amp; $ret &lt; $bytes ) } {
      set bytes [expr $ret -2];
      set eof 1;
    }

    if { $bytes &gt; 0 } {
      set ret    [string range $buffer 0 [expr $bytes -1]]
      set buffer [string range $buffer $bytes end]
      incr bu_len -$bytes
      return $ret;
    }
  }

  method next {} {
    upvar chan chan

    read 128
    set eof 0

    set buffer [string range $buffer $bo_len  end]
    incr bu_len -$bo_len

    set ret1 [string first &quot;Content&quot;  $buffer]
    set ret2 [string first &quot;\r\n\r\n&quot; $buffer]
    incr bu_len -[expr $ret2+4]

    set retv [string range $buffer $ret1 [expr $ret2-1]]
    set buffer [string range $buffer [expr $ret2+4]  end]
    return $retv
  }

  method eof {} {
    return $eof
  }
}
</pre>interp, the fun tcl command to create a new tcl interpreter under the existing one.
<br />

<br />
set interp [interp create]
<br />
$interp eval { ... code ... }
<br />

<br />
but wait, the new interp is stupid and doesn't know anything we haven't explicitly told it -- let's use the alias command to point to routines outside our interp ...
<br />

<br />
$interp alias &lt;source&gt; &lt;destination&gt;
<br />

<br />
^%&amp;^%&amp;^% tcl it runs the routine outside of our new interp ...
<br />

<br />
the bastard solution:
<br />

<br />
<pre>
set interp &quot;interp0&quot;;
proc SOURCE {proc} {
  set args &quot;&quot;
  foreach arg [info args $proc] {
    if {[info default $proc $arg default]} {
      lappend args &quot;$arg [list $default]&quot;
    } else {
      lappend args &quot;$arg&quot;
    }
  }
  return &quot;proc $proc {$args} {[info body $proc]}&quot;
}

proc test1 {} {puts &quot;1: $::interp&quot;}

set new_interp [interp create interp1]
$new_interp alias $new_interp $new_interp

#============================
   $new_interp alias SOURCE SOURCE
# - vs -
#  $new_interp alias test1 test1
#============================

$new_interp eval set ::interp $new_interp

$new_interp eval {
  proc unknown {args} {
    set proc [lindex $args 0]
    puts &quot;importing: [SOURCE $proc]&quot;
    if 1 [SOURCE $proc]
    if 1 $args
  }
  proc test2 {} {puts &quot;2: $::interp&quot;}
  test1; test2
}
</pre>
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>IRC</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
<pre>
&lt;inubus&gt; I wouldn't quite call that nasty though ..
&lt;[mbm]&gt; in concept it is
&lt;[mbm]&gt; you realize that tcl compiles to bytecode right?
&lt;[mbm]&gt; and that each interp has to keep copies of the proc as both string and bytecode
&lt;[mbm]&gt; so when we do this, we're asking the parent interp for the string
&lt;[mbm]&gt; then recompiling it to bytecode
&lt;inubus&gt; that's disturbing
&lt;[mbm]&gt; be so much nicer if tcl would just let us use alias and store only one copy of the code
&lt;[mbm]&gt; but when we do that it goes outside our interp
</pre>
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />
nm, where's delete when you need it...
<br />

<br />
 <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> nm, where's delete when you need it...
<br />

<br />
 <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> I actually modfied play it sam to do this.  I compiled the server to run on the tivo and modfied it slightly.  I then modfied the client to connect to the server on the other tivo.  I was successful in streaming content from one tivo to the other.  The content was played from the stream and not stored on the client tivo.  It worked ok but playback could sometimes be a little jerky.  I got distracted on another project and haven't looked at it again...  Do a search on the web for Warren Toomey and Tivo and you should be able to find the play it sam web page.
<br />

<br />
XnaronCan someone tell me which chip the TiVo uses for IR?  I've had some success with the codes embeem listed (flashing the LEDs is great fun for a few minutes <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz">), but I'd like to download a datasheet to find out more.
<br />

<br />
Thanksit's likely to be a custom thingHi,
<br />
I tried to run playitsam with the ttyserver running on the tivo and the playitsam running on the linux box. The ttyserver starts and waits for a command. Once I start playitsam I will get an error message with &quot;broken Pipe&quot;. I am running Tivo SW 3.0, so I might have a problem with ttyserver not supporting this. Anyone out there with some hints ? Embeem,
<br />
Do you have any example code you could post for the connection to /var/tmp/serialPortArbitrator?
<br />

<br />
Thanks...or an example of how to convert from Pronto or MFS database format to a string to blast.
<br />

<br />
Do I just send 71 and a string of bytes to ttyS0 or is it expecting a length code and then data ?
<br />

<br />
Thanks <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">Is it possibly the following that jdiner is referring to?
<br />

<br />
[18:27] *** Mode change &quot;+i&quot; for user Dibblah by Dibblah
<br />
*** Your user mode is &quot;+i&quot;
<br />
*** Cannot join #tivo: (+b you!) Banned.
<br />

<br />
This is from trying to join the channel.
<br />

<br />
Is this something we're doing wrong, or is it a private channel?
<br />

<br />
Cheers,
<br />

<br />
Allan.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Dibblah wrote on Tue, 07 January 2003 13:31</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Is it possibly the following that jdiner is referring to?
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[18:27] *** Mode change &quot;+i&quot; for user Dibblah by Dibblah
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*** Your user mode is &quot;+i&quot;
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*** Cannot join #tivo: (+b you!) Banned.
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This is from trying to join the channel.
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Is this something we're doing wrong, or is it a private channel?
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Cheers,
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Allan.<br></td></tr></table>
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We've had abuse from your isp before, and since it uses dynamic ip addresses we had no choice at the time but to ban the whole range -- it's unbanned for now.
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(side note, yes it is a 'private' channel in a sense; see <a href="http://alt.org/tivo/ircrules.html" target="_blank">http://alt.org/tivo/ircrules.html</a>)I'm trying to do some video extraction using things like TiVoApp and TyTool.  They seem to work fine on recently recorded items, but I have two things that are about 2 years old that aren't working.  TiVoApp crashes no matter what output format I use.  TyTool gives me a ton of Access Violation errors then dies.
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I assume it's because the tools are aimed at 2.5 and higher and these recordings may pre-date that.  Any pointers?do cron jobs have to be written in TCL?  Basically I want to do the following:
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Every night at midnight:
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send a &quot;Got to live TV&quot; keystroke
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send a &quot;instant replay&quot; keystroke (5x)
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This is for an artpiece in which I use the Tivo to provide a time-delay video signal.
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TIA for any helpI used to use version 1 of Playitsam to get programs off
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my 1.3 SA TiVo. The user-interface is awful though. See
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<a href="http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Playitsam_v1/" target="_blank">http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Playitsam_v1/</a>well, before I go reinvent the whell (again) I thought I'd check 'n see if anybody had posted a tivoweb module to generate tarserver links
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anybody?
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Rileythese are tweaked versions of the mfsstream98 modules to generate links to invoke tivodvlprs tarserver automatically.  
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to use, you need tivoweb, mfsstream98, and the tarserver handler.  once they are all installed &amp; working, replace the original files with these two (and change the pathnames in .cfg if appropriate) 
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the link from the show name works as normal, the delete link has been replaced with an extract link that will get you a tarball.  
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REBOOT THE TIVO BEFORE USING!!! (otherwise the delete function may still be delete, and please try it on a junk show before the one you just really gotta have archived)
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Rileyhere's a little script that will take a tarball and extract the showing.xml file and generate a single mfsstream style tystream. 
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the tydetar.tcl.zip is the tcl script, 
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tydetar.zip is a windows executable (just change the name from .zip to .exe) freewrap runtime library that includes the tcl script and will execute as though it were a regular compiled binary.  freewrap uses the executable zip packing method so DO NOT OPEN IT WITH WINZIP.  (unless you want to poke through the runtime lib) just change it from .zip to exe
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just set tydetar to be associated with .tar files on your system, or drag and drop tytarballs onto the prog.  
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Is there a document that details what software to be loaded on the tivo and PC?
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I realize this isn't the best place to ask this question, but if anyone has an answer, it's you guys.
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Thanks,
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Patif it's a generally available tivo utility it's posted / covered (with a help thread or 20) on tivocommunity.com or dealdatabase.com
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(check the newbie guides / howto's)
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if it's something developed here or by someone that participates here there's generally usage/info with it or a link to a site.  
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RileySorry, that was specifically clear.
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I meant to ask about the Extraction/Insertion that everyone in this thread is working on.
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I've definately got the basic stuff working, but I haven't attempted to figure this out.Sorry, that wasn't specifically clear.
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I meant to ask about the Extraction/Insertion that everyone in this thread is working on.
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I've definately got the basic stuff working, but I haven't attempted to figure this out.
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The basic tools for extraction and insertion.  I can track down the most current version but there's just so much in this thread.I finally had a chance today to sit down and catch up on everything that's been going on for the last month; here's the very minimal you need to connect to the ir and query the version:
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>ir framework</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
#include &lt;stdio.h&gt;
#include &lt;fcntl.h&gt;
#include &lt;unistd.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/socket.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/un.h&gt;
#include &lt;errno.h&gt;

char buf[1024];

int serial_lock() {
        int fd;
        struct sockaddr_un addr;
        addr.sun_family=AF_UNIX;
        strcpy(addr.sun_path,&quot;/var/tmp/SerialPortArbitrator&quo t;);
        fd = socket(PF_UNIX,SOCK_STREAM,0);
        if (connect(fd,(struct sockaddr *)&amp;addr,sizeof(addr)))
                goto error;

        write(fd,&quot;reqst&quot;,5);
        read(fd,buf,1024);

        if (!strcmp(&quot;grant&quot;,buf))
                return fd;

error:
        perror(&quot;SerialPortArbitrator&quot;);
        exit(-1);
}

void serial_unlock(int fd) {
        write(fd,&quot;done.&quot;,5);
        close(fd);
}

int main(int argc, char **argv) {
        int sockfd, irfd;

        sockfd = serial_lock();

        irfd = open(&quot;/dev/ttyS0&quot;, O_RDWR);
        write(irfd, &quot;\x43&quot;, 1);
        buf[read(irfd,&amp;buf,10)]=0;
        printf(&quot;Microcode version %s.\n&quot;,buf+1);
        close(irfd);

        serial_unlock(sockfd);
        return 0;
}
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.. archived here for posterityRight, its not realy intended to work that way. Nothing here is to be considered even being near completion, even though it may appear that way. There will never be any support for the kind of questions you have here.
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Show me your insides  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> Is it possible to control a DirecTivo unit with a SA Tivo remote?  Specifically, can I use the RMT-V303 remote from the Sony SVR2000 to control the Sony Sat T-60 (RM-Y809 remote)?  Thank you in advance for your assistance.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Fri, 24 January 2003 21:54</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I finally had a chance today to sit down and catch up on everything that's been going on for the last month; here's the very minimal you need to connect to the ir and query the version:
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&lt;SNIP&gt;<br></td></tr></table>
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... Which works on 3.0, I assume. 2.5.5 (UK) doesn't have /var/tmp/SerialPortArbitrator.
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Any clues as to how the serial port is locked on 2.5.5?
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Cheers,
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Allan.(Deleted) - I missed SerialPortArbitrator <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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Cheers,
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Allan.here's a few additional specs that would greatly increase
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tytar functionality.
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the ability to discard / skip encapsulated files with any other suffix. .txt .zip .whatever - this allows additional info to be combined within the tarball and parsed by yet to be developed utilities. data included could be produced by tivo side modules such as: commercial detection - a closed captioning decoder - remote keypress generated cut lists - (insert your idea here)
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the ability to combine sub-segments of a fsid when encapsulated as seperate files.  tytar server encapsulates each extracted fsid as a single segment. part04.ty is the 4th fsid from the recording.  a tarball parser should be able to handle an extened tarball like this:
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showing.xml
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rileyheader.txt
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part00.ty
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part01.ty
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part02.ty
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part03.ty
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part04a.ty
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whatever.data
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part04b.ty
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part04c.ty
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part05.ty
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where the .txt &amp; .data segments can be channeled to apropriate modules (or discarded) and part04a.ty part04b.ty and part04c.ty are effectively treated as part04.ty. this allows position sensitive data to be interleaved when random access isn't feasable (cc text, logged remote keypresses, etc - support for out of sequence segments would be a headache &amp; I don't really see a need for it)
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multiple tarballs should also be accessable as one large virtual tarball. recording.00.tar recording.01.tar recording.02.tar should be treated as though they had been catted together into a simple recording.tar.  this allows archiving of large shows to zip/jazz/cd or even dvd for HUGE recordings and avoids filesize limitations for w95/98 mac os 7/8/9.
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these extensions would greatly expand the flexibility of the ty-tarball format and I'm allready using them here.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
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RileyMotion to name our tystream archiving tarball format to .tmf for &quot;Tivo Media Format&quot;.
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Objections?
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I am ready to help out with this venture. I have a way to turn transmitted signals into a jpg via an old IR device called a Red October with some ugly code. 
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For starters, where can I read up on the various IR types. I understand the standard carriers, headers, selections, repeat counts, trailers, button held down, etc.
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I am extremely week on the IrDA spec. Can someone easily explain the diference or a web resource? 
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It would be very cool to use the TiVo IR receiver to capture the signals, compress to the minimal about of information required to store them either in the standard format. I have past experience doing this with the Red October hardware and would be glad to be a part of this project. Thanks! It appears that the dns client's IP address has changed and has not been updated. Hmm in regards to the internal file name I would suggest something in style with the DVD std<br />
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Hence a fixed number of charachters makes it a whole lot easier.<br />
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Cheers Olaf<br />
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Fri, 31 January 2003 00:35</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>here's a few additional specs that would greatly increase<br />
tytar functionality.<br />
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the ability to discard / skip encapsulated files with any other suffix. .txt .zip .whatever - this allows additional info to be combined within the tarball and parsed by yet to be developed utilities. data included could be produced by tivo side modules such as: commercial detection - a closed captioning decoder - remote keypress generated cut lists - (insert your idea here)<br />
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the ability to combine sub-segments of a fsid when encapsulated as seperate files.  tytar server encapsulates each extracted fsid as a single segment. part04.ty is the 4th fsid from the recording.  a tarball parser should be able to handle an extened tarball like this:<br />
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showing.xml<br />
rileyheader.txt<br />
part00.ty<br />
part01.ty<br />
part02.ty<br />
part03.ty<br />
part04a.ty<br />
whatever.data<br />
part04b.ty<br />
part04c.ty<br />
part05.ty<br />
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where the .txt &amp; .data segments can be channeled to apropriate modules (or discarded) and part04a.ty part04b.ty and part04c.ty are effectively treated as part04.ty. this allows position sensitive data to be interleaved when random access isn't feasable (cc text, logged remote keypresses, etc - support for out of sequence segments would be a headache &amp; I don't really see a need for it)<br />
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multiple tarballs should also be accessable as one large virtual tarball. recording.00.tar recording.01.tar recording.02.tar should be treated as though they had been catted together into a simple recording.tar.  this allows archiving of large shows to zip/jazz/cd or even dvd for HUGE recordings and avoids filesize limitations for w95/98 mac os 7/8/9.<br />
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these extensions would greatly expand the flexibility of the ty-tarball format and I'm allready using them here.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> <br />
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Riley<br></td></tr></table>the title says it all...  details to follow
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Rileysounds like a decent name / extension to me
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<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=55&amp;start=0&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=55&amp;start=0&a mp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
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Rileytcl script to take a tarserver 1.0 tarball &amp; split it into xml &amp; an old style mfsstream .ty file
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<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=50&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=50&amp;rid=2 4&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
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same script, with the windows freewrap runtime library.  change the extension from .zip to .exe &amp; drop the tar on it.  
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<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=51&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=51&amp;rid=2 4&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
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Rileyhere's a few additional specs that would greatly increase 
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tytar functionality. 
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the ability to discard / skip encapsulated files with any other suffix. .txt .zip .whatever - this allows additional info to be combined within the tarball and parsed by yet to be developed utilities. data included could be produced by tivo side modules such as: commercial detection - a closed captioning decoder - remote keypress generated cut lists - (insert your idea here) 
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the ability to combine sub-segments of a fsid when encapsulated as seperate files. tytar server encapsulates each extracted fsid as a single segment. part04.ty is the 4th fsid from the recording. a tarball parser should be able to handle an extened tarball like this: 
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showing.xml 
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rileyheader.txt 
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part00.ty 
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part01.ty 
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part02.ty 
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part03.ty 
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part04a.ty 
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whatever.data 
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part04b.ty 
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part04c.ty 
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part05.ty 
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<br />
where the .txt &amp; .data segments can be channeled to apropriate modules (or discarded) and part04a.ty part04b.ty and part04c.ty are effectively treated as part04.ty. this allows position sensitive data to be interleaved when random access isn't feasable (cc text, logged remote keypresses, etc - support for out of sequence segments would be a headache &amp; I don't really see a need for it) 
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multiple tarballs should also be accessable as one large virtual tarball. recording.00.tar recording.01.tar recording.02.tar should be treated as though they had been catted together into a simple recording.tar. this allows archiving of large shows to zip/jazz/cd or even dvd for HUGE recordings and avoids filesize limitations for w95/98 mac os 7/8/9. 
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these extensions would greatly expand the flexibility of the ty-tarball format and I'm allready using them here.  
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Riley tivodvlpr's original tivoweb tytar server.  
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<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=45&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=45&amp;rid=2 4&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
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my mfsstream tweak to invoke it
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<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=49&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=49&amp;rid=2 4&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
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Rileyfor anybody that doesn't know, these posts/info are basically cut &amp; paste from this thread 
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<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start=140#msg_376" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18&amp;rid=24&am p;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start= 140#msg_376</a>
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hopefully splitting TMF format/spec discussion over here will simplify things.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
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Riley<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>olaf_sc wrote on Sun, 02 February 2003 21:56</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Hmm in regards to the internal file name I would suggest something in style with the DVD std
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Hence a fixed number of charachters makes it a whole lot easier.
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Cheers Olaf
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Although DVD isn't our intended goal, I don't see why not.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>olaf_sc wrote on Sun, 02 February 2003 21:56</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Hmm in regards to the internal file name I would suggest something in style with the DVD std
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part-0001.ty
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Hence a fixed number of charachters makes it a whole lot easier.
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Cheers Olaf
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Although DVD isn't our intended goal, I don't see why not.Yea, my server went down and some stuff happened with it, I'm setting it back up and updating it, check it again tomorrow.Yea, I had to change servers. Its back up now and with updates, so all you linux users check it out!
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-StevenIt just occured to me that there's really nothing saying how to line up the tystream fragments with the xml, it's more or less assumed that they're in logical order.
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rc3105:
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while you can probably add whatever files that you want to the tar and still have it parse, the end user will have no idea which files are contained within and hence which utils it can be used with unless there's a naming scheme.In the interests of general community contributions, I've started a Wiki at <a href="http://alt.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://alt.org/wiki</a> , and have moved my TiVo hack links page there.
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Feel free to take a look at this, edit it, add new pages, etc. Wikis can be great fun.here we go, tydemux info, discussion, whatnot
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Rileyhere we go, tydemux info, discussion, whatnot
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ONLY DEVELOPERS &amp; THOSE WITH A CLUE POSTING PLEASE!
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as allways, this is NOT a help forum.  keep that on dd.  
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due to some bad experiences with code being &quot;borrowed&quot; before the primaries were ready, some things probably won't show up here until a public release on dd.  
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if it's in here &amp; not on dd it's a alpha/beta and don't bother unless you're willing to spend some time analyzing problems &amp; writing bug reports.
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there's a sourceforge project and a IRC.FREENODE.NET #tydemux channel.  (lurking there won't get you anything any faster so please don't)
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that said, if you'd like to contribute, please do.  attaboys &amp; marriage proposals to olaf should be limited to dd.
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Rileyhere we go, tydemux info, discussion, whatnot
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ONLY DEVELOPERS &amp; THOSE WITH A CLUE POSTING PLEASE!
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as allways, this is NOT a help forum.  keep that on dd.  
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due to some bad experiences with code being &quot;borrowed&quot; before the primaries were ready, some things probably won't show up here until a public release on dd.  
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if it's in here &amp; not on dd it's a alpha/beta and don't bother unless you're willing to spend some time analyzing problems &amp; writing bug reports.
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there's a sourceforge project and a IRC.FREENODE.NET #tydemux channel.  (lurking there won't get you anything any faster so please don't)
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that said, if you'd like to contribute, please do.  attaboys &amp; marriage proposals to olaf should be limited to dd.   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
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Rileyembeem: I would guess that no matter what, building the tarball from the tivo end would make the parts in logical order. Building a tarball on the PC end wouldn't necessarily be of course, but all software that parses it should do so in the part## order.here we go, tydemux info, discussion, whatnot
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ONLY DEVELOPERS &amp; THOSE WITH A CLUE POSTING PLEASE!
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as allways, this is NOT a help forum.  keep that on dd.  
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due to some bad experiences with code being &quot;borrowed&quot; before the primaries were ready, some things probably won't show up here until a public release on dd.  
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if it's in here &amp; not on dd it's a alpha/beta and don't bother unless you're willing to spend some time analyzing problems &amp; writing bug reports.
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there's a IRC.FREENODE.NET #tydemux channel.  (lurking there won't get you anything any faster so please don't)
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that said, if you'd like to contribute, please do.  attaboys &amp; marriage proposals to olaf should be limited to dd.   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
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Rileyembeem: I would guess that no matter what, building the tmf tarball from the tivo end would make the parts in logical order. Building a tmf on the PC end wouldn't necessarily be of course, but all software that parses it should do so in the part## order. I can't think of any reason to build a tmf from the PC though.embeem: I would guess that no matter what, building the tmf tarball from the tivo end would make the parts in logical order. Building a tmf on the PC end wouldn't necessarily be of course, but all software that parses it should do so in the part## order. I can't think of any reason to build a tmf from the PC though, unless of course conversion from mpeg --&gt; tystream were to come into play.embeem: I would guess that no matter what, building the tmf tarball from the tivo end would make the parts in logical order. Building a tmf on the PC end wouldn't necessarily be of course, but all software that parses it should do so in the part## order. I can't think of any reason to build a tmf from the PC though, unless of course conversion from mpeg --&gt; tystream were to come into play.
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If so then spec to ensure that files are no larger than 512 meg and other whatnots of the limitations of tystreams is also called for.well, lesse
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TMF 1.0 is out there, in tivodvlpr's tarserver.  dunno how many streams have been extracted in that format but any tystream util that gets a tar file can pretty well assume it meets those specs.   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
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we definatly need to map out some suffixes for files included in TMF 1.1.  a new tivoweb file handler that produces tmf files is also indicated.  
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a cc text generator would only need the partXX.ty files, so it could discard anything else.  same goes for a player, cut point generator, etc.  
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In my LocoMotion software, that information (and any other extra data) is included in the XML file, rather than in a seperate file.  For example, I have a field named &quot;Mfsids&quot;.  For shows that are still on the tivo, the field has the FSIDs of the ty streams that make up the program.  For exported shows, it has a list of paths to the .ty parts (or a path to a TMF file).  
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I think that any extra metadata about the program should be stored in the XML file for easier parsing.  Not only is it easier to parse the program data, it is easier to operate on the file if it has a fixed order of parts.  I would like to see a standard for the XML file (perhaps draw up a DTD and an XML schema) in order to foster interoperability between applications.  I thought about just adding the info to the xml segment, here's how I see it.  
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You're crazy <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">.  The whole point of XML is that it is EASY to parse.  Under PHP, getting a struct full of the XML data is just a matter of calling a single function.  I would imagine TCL has similar XML parsing functions, but perhaps not on the version supplied with the Tivo.  While it is nice to have a mirror of the original MFS data from a program, I don't think it would be too detrimental to include some extra data in there as well.  It just seems counter-productive to produce additional flat files when there is already a file in the archive intended for data interchange.How about this, leave the XML file reserved only for information that actualy comes from the tivo itself. No extra files should be put in between the storage of the XML file, and the part-XXXX.ty (4 digits as per olaf_sc's request) files. The reason being is that the XML contains everything we need for on the fly insertion, and it would just make things messier to include another file that includes the same information over again.
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However, you should be able to place files after the part-XXXX.ty files, e.g. at the end of the archive. These files would be easily ignored by any insertion software, because once it finishes the last part-XXXX.ty, it can just stop reading from there and be done with it. There will be no limit as to what kinds of files you can put at the end of the archive; it can be just anything. That would include key files, cut files, or anything else that you can imagine. This way we do not have to worry about re-arranging the contents of the archive, among other things.How about this, leave the XML file reserved only for information that actualy comes from the tivo itself; no other information should be placed here, period. No extra files should be put in between the storage of the XML file, and the part-XXXX.ty (4 digits as per olaf_sc's request) files. The reason being is that the XML contains everything we need for on the fly insertion, and it would just make things messier to include another file that includes the same information over again. We want to be able to easily perform on the fly insertion, adding anything unnecessary will complicate that.
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However, you should be able to place files after the part-XXXX.ty files, e.g. at the end of the archive. These files would be easily ignored by any insertion software, because once it finishes the last part-XXXX.ty, it can just stop reading from there and be done with it. There will be no limit as to what kinds of files you can put at the end of the archive; it can be just anything. That would include key files, cut files, or anything else that you can imagine. This way we do not have to worry about re-arranging the contents of the archive, among other things.How about this, leave the XML file reserved only for information that actualy comes from the tivo itself; no other information should be placed here, period. No extra files should be put in between the storage of the XML file, and the part-XXXX.ty (4 digits as per olaf_sc's request) files. The reason being is that the XML contains everything we need for on the fly insertion, and it would just make things messier to include another file that includes the same information over again. We want to be able to easily perform on the fly insertion, adding anything unnecessary will complicate that.
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However, you should be able to place files after the part-XXXX.ty files, e.g. at the end of the archive. These files would be easily ignored by any insertion software, because once it finishes the last part-XXXX.ty, it can just stop reading from there and be done with it. There will be no limit as to what kinds of files you can put at the end of the archive; it can be just anything. That would include key files, cut files, or anything else that you can imagine. This way we do not ever have to worry about re-arranging the contents of the archive, among other things.How about this, leave the XML file reserved only for information that actualy comes from the tivo itself; no other information should be placed here, period. No extra files should be put in between the storage of the XML file, and the part-XXXX.ty (4 digits as per olaf_sc's request) files. The reason being is that the XML contains everything we need for on the fly insertion, and it would just make things messier to include another file that includes the same information over again. We want to be able to easily perform on the fly insertion, that was the whole point of creating this standard, adding anything unnecessary will complicate that.
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However, you should be able to place files after the part-XXXX.ty files, e.g. at the end of the archive. These files would be easily ignored by any insertion software, because once it finishes the last part-XXXX.ty, it can just stop reading from there and be done with it. There will be no limit as to what kinds of files you can put at the end of the archive; it can be just anything. That would include key files, cut files, or anything else that you can imagine. This way we do not ever have to worry about re-arranging the contents of the archive, among other things.How about this, leave the XML file reserved only for information that actualy comes from the tivo itself; no other information should be placed here, period. No extra files should be put in between the storage of the XML file and the part-XXXX.ty (4 digits as per olaf_sc's request) files. The reason being is that the XML contains everything we need for on the fly insertion, and it would just make things messier to include another file that includes the same information over again. We want to be able to easily perform on the fly insertion, that was the whole point of creating this standard, adding anything unnecessary will complicate that.
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However, you should be able to place files after the part-XXXX.ty files, e.g. at the end of the archive. These files would be easily ignored by any insertion software, because once it finishes the last part-XXXX.ty, it can just stop reading from there and be done with it. There will be no limit as to what kinds of files you can put at the end of the archive; it can be just anything. That would include key files, cut files, or anything else that you can imagine. This way we do not ever have to worry about re-arranging the contents of the archive, among other things.How about this, leave the XML file reserved only for information that actualy comes from the tivo itself; no other information should be placed here, period. No extra files should be put in between the storage of the XML file and the part-XXXX.ty (4 digits as per olaf_sc's request) files. The reason being is that the XML contains everything we need for on the fly insertion, and it would just make things messier to include another file that includes the same information over again. We want to be able to easily perform on the fly insertion, that was the whole point of creating this standard, adding anything unnecessary will complicate that.
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Now, we can still allow for extensions, theres no harm in allowing the format to serve multiple purposes. This could be in the form of allowing the placement of files after the part-XXXX.ty files, e.g. at the end of the archive. These files would be easily ignored by any insertion software, because once it finishes the last part-XXXX.ty, it can just stop reading from there and be done with it. There will be no limit as to what kinds of files you can put at the end of the archive; it can be just anything. That would include key files, cut files, or anything else that you can imagine. This way we do not ever have to worry about re-arranging the contents of the archive, among other things.How about this, leave the XML file reserved only for information that actualy comes from the tivo itself; no other information should be placed here, period. No extra files should be put in between the storage of the XML file and the part-XXXX.ty (4 digits as per olaf_sc's request) files. The reason being is that the XML contains everything we need for on the fly insertion, and it would just make things messier to include another file that includes the same information over again. We want to be able to easily perform on the fly insertion, that was the whole point of creating this standard, adding anything unnecessary will complicate that.
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Now, we can still allow for extensions, theres no harm in allowing the format to serve multiple purposes. This could be in the form of allowing the placement of files after the part-XXXX.ty files, e.g. at the end of the archive. These files would be easily ignored by any insertion software, because once it finishes the last part-XXXX.ty, it can just stop reading from there and be done with it. Remember, the tivo will not be able to make use of anything beyond the XML and the tystream parts. There will be no limit as to what kinds of files you can put at the end of the archive; it can be just anything. That would include key files, cut files, or anything else that you can imagine. This way we do not ever have to worry about re-arranging the contents of the archive, among other things.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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That sounds like a very reasonable policy for the format.  It would allow extension while keeping interchange and importation easy.They need not be in tcl, but this release fixed a problem tcl scripts were having. As for how to send keystrokes via command line, that is something I'm pretty sure can be looked up on the TiVo Community Forums somewhere.not everything you need for on-the-fly insertion is in the xml header.  not the way I do it anyway, but I like to be able to watch the show as soon as I start loading it.  an extra file between showing.xml &amp; part0000.ty lets me do that.  
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corruptdb can put his extended xml info into a showing.cdb between showing.xml and part0000.ty and I'll tuck a showing.rc3 in the same spot.  his utils can ignore my header &amp; mine can ignore his (or parse, whatever)  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
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at the very *least*, a requirement in the standard that any files added that aren't in the standard must be documented in a scratchpad section of the xml.  every file in the archive should have metadata in the xml so that the xml file is all you need to determine EVERYTHING you're looking at.  you don't want to have parse an entire archive just do determine if it has been &quot;prepped for instant-on insertion&quot; or &quot;prepped for gop-editing&quot;.  i mean what a mess.parsing the xml to create the new nowshowing isn't a problem.  works fine.  you get a new recording with no video segments.  
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but in a nutshell, even though this particular problem could be solved on the onset by including this dummy file at the head of every tmf file as part of the tmf spec it seems silly to do so (IMHO).  who's to say there won't be other similar problems that need special requirements down the road ?
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fixing the problem with either a client-server application, like a smarter tmf server that generates these dummy headers upon request of a tmf file from the client (the playing tivo), or by simply making random file access to any tmf file *the* requirement for this particular application (instant-on insertion) both seem like the *correct* place to fix this problem, not explicitly in the spec.
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Obviously, for backwards compatability on old streams, the TiVo software must deal with both formats.
<br />
drum roll please...  here's the version you've all been waiting for
<br />

<br />
version 1.1 includes a 2.x / 3.x check
<br />

<br />
faster indexing &amp; better error recovery
<br />

<br />
tmf to tivo upload / insert with title-episode info restore.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyas allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dd thread
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=21915</a>
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileydrum roll please...  here's the version you've all been waiting for
<br />

<br />
version 1.1 includes a 2.x / 3.x check
<br />

<br />
faster indexing &amp; better error recovery
<br />

<br />
tmf to tivo upload / insert with title-episode info restore.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileydrum roll please...  here's the version you've all been waiting for
<br />

<br />
version 1.1 includes a 2.x / 3.x check
<br />

<br />
faster indexing &amp; better error recovery
<br />

<br />
tmf to tivo upload / insert with title-episode info restore.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyversion 1.1.1
<br />

<br />
this sets the 3.x specific attributes so that insertion works on 3.x as well as 2.x. 
<br />

<br />
don't try to use passive transfers for inserts (doesn't work) allthough passive extracts are fine.  
<br />

<br />
I'm not directly restoring the xml to the db, so putting a 2.x tmf in a 3.x box or vice versa will not hurt anything.  (I know, not all the attibutes are being restored yet)
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyTwo suggestions:
<br />

<br />
1- Per RFC 959, lines should be terminated with \r\n.
<br />

<br />
2- I think I see code to map &quot;?&quot; &quot;:&quot; and &quot; &quot; to underscores,
<br />
but it's commented out. This is a really good feature for those
<br />
of us who live on UNIX boxen (filtering &quot;'&quot; might also be a
<br />
good idea).
<br />

<br />
I'll leave the above to the TCL hackers. I'm a perl guy. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk
<br />
Two suggestions:
<br />

<br />
1- Per RFC 959, lines should be terminated with \r\n.
<br />

<br />
2- I think I see code to map &quot;?&quot; &quot;:&quot; and &quot; &quot; to underscores,
<br />
but it's commented out. This is a really good feature for those
<br />
of us who live on UNIX boxen (filtering &quot;'&quot; might also be a
<br />
good idea).
<br />

<br />
I'll leave the above to the TCL hackers. I'm a perl guy. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk
<br />

<br />
EDIT:
<br />

<br />
Oh, and yeah, seems to work great with lukemftp on Sol8 and FreeBSD's ftp client. Don't forget the quotes around filenames, however.Ok, just I can get this all straight in my little brain:
<br />

<br />
<pre>

#define PES_FILE_MAGIC 0xf5467abd
#define MFS_FILE_STREAM 0x00000002
#define STREAM_TIMEBASE 0x3b9aca00 /* 1E9 */

/*****[ 1 chunksize ]********************************************************/
/* tyStream header contained on all streams (each part??) */
typedef struct {
  uint32_t magic; /* Should be PES_FILE_MAGIC */
  uint32_t obj_type; /* Should be MFS_FILE_STREAM */
  uint32_t chunksize; /* Usually 128k, might not always be .. */
  uint32_t numchunks; /* Number of chunks in this stream * 256 + 4 */
  uint32_t unknown0x10; /* ?? */
  uint32_t unknown0x14; /* Bitmap size? pre v3.1 is 0x00000008 */
  uint32_t timebase; /* Should be STREAM_TIMEBASE unless it ever changes ?? */
  uint8_t last_recidx;
} tyStreamHeader;  

/* tyStreamHeader is followed by 0 .. tyStreamHeader.last_recidx of these */
/* Should probably check this isn't &gt; chunksize - sizeof(tyStreamHeader) */
/* Timestamp &amp; bitmap for GOP-containing chunks in pre v3.1 software */
typedef struct {
  uint64_t timestamp; /* scaled by STREAM_TIMEBASE */
  uint64_t bitmap; /* Bitmap, bit per chunk if that chunk has GOP start-code */
} tyStreamHeaderRec;
/*********************************************************** *****************/

/*****[ 1 chunksize ]********************************************************/
/* Rest of the chunks in this stream have this header on them */
typedef struct {
  uint16_t numrecords; /* LE */
  uint16_t indextovsh; /* v2.0-later 0xffff means none ; v1.3 always 0x0000*/
} tyChunkHeader;

/* Again, per chunk, there should be 0 .. numrecords of these */
/* These records specify the type and size of data and it's timestamp */
typedef struct {
  uint32_t sizeid; /* size is first 20 bits, id is next 12 bits */
  uint32_t unknown0x04; /* ?? */
  uint64_t timestamp; /* scaled by STREAM_TIMEBASE */
} tyChunkRec;

/* Now comes the actual data tacked on to the end, which should be this big: */
/*  chunksize - sizeof(tyChunkHeader) - sizeof(numrecords*tyChunkRec)        */

/*********************************************************** *****************/

</pre>
<br />

<br />
--- sbrkAnd it appears this is the case (except that last_recidx should be uint32_t). All fields in the header are big-endian. Alignment
<br />
is the nominal 32bit, as one would expect for ppc.
<br />
 
<br />
magic: 0xf5467abd, obj_type: 0x00000002, chunksize: 0x00020000
<br />
numchunks: 0x000fd304, unknown0x10: 0x00000008, bitmapsize: 0x00000008
<br />
timebase: 0x3b9aca00, last_recidx: 0x00000408
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk (hoping to get MPlayer to read a tyStream directly soon)<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>ppchacker wrote on Sun, 01 September 2002 15:47</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>A little progress on the tystream &quot;master&quot; chunk.  Some of this is, at best, just a guess.  I'm curious to see counterexamples.
<br />

<br />
0x00: always 0xf5467abd (&quot;PES FILE&quot; magic number)
<br />
0x04: always 0x00000002 (object type, i.e., MFS_FILE_STREAM)
<br />
0x08: always 0x00020000 (the chunk size, i.e., 128KB)
<br />
0x0c: number of chunks * 256 + 4
<br />
0x10: always 0x00000008?
<br />
0x14: always 0x00000008?
<br />
0x18: always 0x3b9aca00 (time scale factor, i.e., 1,000,000,000)
<br />
0x1c: byte offset of last record
<br />

<br />
These fields are stored big-endian, i.e., as appropriate for the PowerPC.
<br />

<br />
The rest of the master chunk is 16-byte records giving an 8-byte timestamp and an 8-byte bitmap (for the next 64 chunks) up to the last record offset given by 0x1c [as identified by embeem/faye above].<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Actually, 0x1c appears to be the next 16-bit aligned position in the file right after the end of the 16-byte records. (ie. in my stream == 0x408 which would make it record 64.5)
<br />

<br />
I'm not sure why one would want it this way (a simple count of records would have been simper, I would think).
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>ppchacker wrote on Sun, 01 September 2002 15:47</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>A little progress on the tystream &quot;master&quot; chunk.  Some of this is, at best, just a guess.  I'm curious to see counterexamples.
<br />

<br />
0x00: always 0xf5467abd (&quot;PES FILE&quot; magic number)
<br />
0x04: always 0x00000002 (object type, i.e., MFS_FILE_STREAM)
<br />
0x08: always 0x00020000 (the chunk size, i.e., 128KB)
<br />
0x0c: number of chunks * 256 + 4
<br />
0x10: always 0x00000008?
<br />
0x14: always 0x00000008?
<br />
0x18: always 0x3b9aca00 (time scale factor, i.e., 1,000,000,000)
<br />
0x1c: byte offset of last record
<br />

<br />
These fields are stored big-endian, i.e., as appropriate for the PowerPC.
<br />

<br />
The rest of the master chunk is 16-byte records giving an 8-byte timestamp and an 8-byte bitmap (for the next 64 chunks) up to the last record offset given by 0x1c [as identified by embeem/faye above].<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Actually, 0x1c appears to be the next 32-bit aligned position in the file right after the end of the 16-byte records. (ie. in my stream == 0x408 which would make it record 64.5)
<br />

<br />
I'm not sure why one would want it this way (a simple count of records would have been simper, I would think).
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk
<br />

<br />
EDIT: 16-bit aligned -&gt; 32-bit aligned. Too late, need more caffiene.
<br />
0x1c is a 32-bit &quot;length&quot; of the variable data record part (in bytes), not the number of records.
<br />

<br />
Note that there is always a final timestamp (w/o a bitmap) as the last record in the master chunk.  This is the timestamp of the last video sequence header in the tystream.  So the length is always 16*n + 8 or 10*n + 8, depending on the release.
<br />

<br />
The total length of the master chunk is 32 + &quot;length&quot; (the variable data part starts as 0x20).
<br />

<br />
I think it is a reasonable guess to call the field at 0x10 &quot;timestamp_size&quot;, in analogy to the field at 0x14 which is &quot;bitmap_size&quot;, although I've yet to see anything but 8 in this field.
<br />

<br />
And, to make it clear, the bitmap is not a uint64_t, but instead is a &quot;char bitmap[8]&quot; or &quot;char bitmap[2]&quot;, depending on the release.  Just another reason that attempting to describe these variable-records in C is problematic.I am hoping to prepare a list of the most feasable responses to the following situation. If anyone can please add suggestions that I have not already listed it would be greatly appreciated. 
<br />

<br />
So the situation is: 
<br />

<br />
- A database that handles customers and customer  invoices.
<br />
- The invoice along with other data, includes the customers address.
<br />
- customer_1 changes their address, and the new address is updated in the database. 
<br />
- customer_1 wants a copy of an invoice that  just so happens to be from a date prior to when that customer moved. 
<br />
- the invoice MUST print the customers old address, not the new one, because invoice data must not change from when the customer first recieved the invoice. 
<br />
- the current system has no way of knowing customer_1 has changed thier address, because the customer table only holds the customers current address. 
<br />

<br />
I have to rectify this situation, I have compliled the following
<br />
list of ways correcting for this instance.  I was hoping on top of what I listed here, that people would be able to offer their advise/suggestions/comments.
<br />

<br />
1) The simpilest way to make sure this does not happen, is to 
<br />
   have a hard copy of the invoice. (maybe even microfishe)
<br />

<br />
2) re-store a back-up of the database and print. 
<br />

<br />
3) adjust the data model, so their is a customer_address_history
<br />
   table, that notes customer address changes.
<br />

<br />
4) make a customer_invoice_detailed table that hold specific information relating to the invoice (include customer address). 
<br />

<br />
 
<br />
thanks
<br />

<br />

<br />
Any idea on this one?
<br />
=== tyChunkRec ===
<br />
&lt;...&gt;
<br />
0x00000005: id: 0xe02 [Data services data] size: 0x88080 unknown0x04: 0x00000000 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000006: id: 0x7e0 [UNKNOWN] size: 0x00054 unknown0x04: 0x30234a10 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000007: id: 0x2e0 [Video data] size: 0x00004 unknown0x04: 0x3000b68c timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000008: id: 0xce0 [Video GOP start] size: 0x00008 unknown0x04: 0x3000b690 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000009: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b698 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000a: id: 0x8e0 [Video I-frame start] size: 0x00004 unknown0x04: 0x3000b6a8 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000b: id: 0x2e0 [Video data] size: 0x07a04 unknown0x04: 0x30234a70 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000c: id: 0xe01 [Closed-caption data] size: 0x88080 unknown0x04: 0x00000000 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
&lt;...&gt;
<br />

<br />
--- sbrkAny idea on this one?
<br />
=== tyChunkRec ===
<br />
&lt;...&gt;
<br />
0x00000005: id: 0xe02 [Data services data] size: 0x88080 unknown0x04: 0x00000000 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000006: id: 0x7e0 [UNKNOWN] size: 0x00054 unknown0x04: 0x30234a10 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000007: id: 0x2e0 [Video data] size: 0x00004 unknown0x04: 0x3000b68c timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000008: id: 0xce0 [Video GOP start] size: 0x00008 unknown0x04: 0x3000b690 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000009: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b698 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000a: id: 0x8e0 [Video I-frame start] size: 0x00004 unknown0x04: 0x3000b6a8 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000b: id: 0x2e0 [Video data] size: 0x07a04 unknown0x04: 0x30234a70 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000c: id: 0xe01 [Closed-caption data] size: 0x88080 unknown0x04: 0x00000000 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
&lt;...&gt;
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk
<br />

<br />
EDIT:
<br />

<br />
Was referring to id: 0x7e0, btw.Any idea on this one?
<br />
=== tyChunkRec ===
<br />
&lt;...&gt;
<br />
0x00000005: id: 0xe02 [Data services data] size: 0x88080 unknown0x04: 0x00000000 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000006: id: 0x7e0 [UNKNOWN] size: 0x00054 unknown0x04: 0x30234a10 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000007: id: 0x2e0 [Video data] size: 0x00004 unknown0x04: 0x3000b68c timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000008: id: 0xce0 [Video GOP start] size: 0x00008 unknown0x04: 0x3000b690 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x00000009: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b698 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000a: id: 0x8e0 [Video I-frame start] size: 0x00004 unknown0x04: 0x3000b6a8 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000b: id: 0x2e0 [Video data] size: 0x07a04 unknown0x04: 0x30234a70 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
0x0000000c: id: 0xe01 [Closed-caption data] size: 0x88080 unknown0x04: 0x00000000 timestamp: 0x0000000000000000
<br />
&lt;...&gt;
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk
<br />

<br />
EDIT:
<br />

<br />
Was referring to id: 0x7e0, btw.
<br />

<br />
EDIT2:
<br />

<br />
Ack, I need to proofread when I type #defines in... Nevermind.here's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf files with a regular ftp client.  it's also possible for a conversion process like tydemux to access a directory listing in easily parsable text and/or files using a few simple ftp commands.  (list / retr)
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get ~ 900k second from a dtivo/tivonet under 2.5.01.  
<br />

<br />
ftp is VERY basic, but also easy to implement which is good for us.  I have versions with resume &amp; upload/insert but nothing ready to share yet.  this has extracted ~ 200 gig w/o a hitch so I thought I'd put it up for anybody interested.  
<br />

<br />
I have another version that runs on a pc, connects to this version, and does on-the fly conversion to mpeg. 
<br />

<br />
regular ftp client connects to mpg-ftp &amp; requests a directory
<br />

<br />
mpg-ftp connects to mfs-ftp &amp; requests  a directory
<br />

<br />
mfs-ftp query's the tivo nowshowing database, generates the directory &amp; feeds it to mpg-ftp
<br />

<br />
mpg-ftp adds 5% to each filesize, changes the suffix to .mpg &amp; feeds the dir to the originating ftp client.  
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp to mpg-ftp, tydemux is started &amp; generates local temp files, after a few seconds mplex is started at low priority and reads the temp mpa/mpv files, muxes them,  &amp; mpg-ftp streams the output to the original ftp client.  
<br />

<br />
not exactly elegant, but VERY groovy to extract 10 gig of mpeg with a simple drag &amp; drop.  
<br />

<br />
comments, ideas, suggestions?
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit:  version 1.2 attached, old version removedhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf files with a regular ftp client.  it's also possible for a conversion process like tydemux to access a directory listing in easily parsable text and/or files using a few simple ftp commands.  (list / retr)
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get ~ 900k second from a dtivo/tivonet under 2.5.01.  
<br />

<br />
ftp is VERY basic, but also easy to implement which is good for us.  I have versions with resume &amp; upload/insert but nothing ready to share yet.  this has extracted ~ 200 gig w/o a hitch so I thought I'd put it up for anybody interested.  
<br />

<br />
I have another version that runs on a pc, connects to this version, and does on-the fly conversion to mpeg. 
<br />

<br />
regular ftp client connects to mpg-ftp &amp; requests a directory
<br />

<br />
mpg-ftp connects to mfs-ftp &amp; requests  a directory
<br />

<br />
mfs-ftp query's the tivo nowshowing database, generates the directory &amp; feeds it to mpg-ftp
<br />

<br />
mpg-ftp adds 5% to each filesize, changes the suffix to .mpg &amp; feeds the dir to the originating ftp client.  
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp to mpg-ftp, tydemux is started &amp; generates local temp files, after a few seconds mplex is started at low priority and reads the temp mpa/mpv files, muxes them,  &amp; mpg-ftp streams the output to the original ftp client.  
<br />

<br />
not exactly elegant, but VERY groovy to extract 10 gig of mpeg with a simple drag &amp; drop.  
<br />

<br />
comments, ideas, suggestions?
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit:  version 1.2 attached, old version removedversion 1.2 uploaded, attached to the first post in the thread
<br />

<br />
fxp transfers
<br />

<br />
tmf, ty &amp; ty+ extraction
<br />

<br />
built in delete
<br />

<br />
LOTS of bugfixes and....
<br />

<br />
(drum roll please)
<br />

<br />
2.x 3.x cross compatible show attribute restore and transfer/streaming
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileydrum roll please...  here's the version you've all been waiting for
<br />

<br />
version 1.1 includes a 2.x / 3.x check
<br />

<br />
faster indexing &amp; better error recovery
<br />

<br />
tmf to tivo upload / insert with title-episode info restore.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: check the first post of this thread for the latest versionversion 1.1.1
<br />

<br />
this sets the 3.x specific attributes so that insertion works on 3.x as well as 2.x. 
<br />

<br />
don't try to use passive transfers for inserts (doesn't work) allthough passive extracts are fine.  
<br />

<br />
I'm not directly restoring the xml to the db, so putting a 2.x tmf in a 3.x box or vice versa will not hurt anything.  (I know, not all the attibutes are being restored yet)
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: check the first post of this thread for the latest versionhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf files with a regular ftp client.  it's also possible for a conversion process like tydemux to access a directory listing in easily parsable text and/or files using a few simple ftp commands.  (list / retr)
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get ~ 900k second from a dtivo/tivonet under 2.5.01.  
<br />

<br />
ftp is VERY basic, but also easy to implement which is good for us.  I have versions with resume &amp; upload/insert but nothing ready to share yet.  this has extracted ~ 200 gig w/o a hitch so I thought I'd put it up for anybody interested.  
<br />

<br />
I have another version that runs on a pc, connects to this version, and does on-the fly conversion to mpeg. 
<br />

<br />
regular ftp client connects to mpg-ftp &amp; requests a directory
<br />

<br />
mpg-ftp connects to mfs-ftp &amp; requests  a directory
<br />

<br />
mfs-ftp query's the tivo nowshowing database, generates the directory &amp; feeds it to mpg-ftp
<br />

<br />
mpg-ftp adds 5% to each filesize, changes the suffix to .mpg &amp; feeds the dir to the originating ftp client.  
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp to mpg-ftp, tydemux is started &amp; generates local temp files, after a few seconds mplex is started at low priority and reads the temp mpa/mpv files, muxes them,  &amp; mpg-ftp streams the output to the original ftp client.  
<br />

<br />
not exactly elegant, but VERY groovy to extract 10 gig of mpeg with a simple drag &amp; drop.  
<br />

<br />
comments, ideas, suggestions?
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit:  version 1.2 attached, old version removedhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files with a regular ftp client.
<br />

<br />
this makes it possible for a conversion process like tydemux (or whatnot) to easily access a mfs directory listing and/or recording xml data as text files using a few simple ftp commands.  (list, retr, etc)
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  .ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams.  
<br />

<br />
xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  not all of it, just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
allows interchange of tmf's between SA &amp; DTivo's.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp needs mfs_tarstream, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert in the same directory with it.
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: post updated for the latest version, 1.2.1 attached, older versions removedHere's my $0.02
<br />

<br />
usage: import.tcl &lt;tmf filename&gt;
<br />

<br />
support: none, nadda.bug fixes, better logging &amp; such
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileybug fixes, better logging &amp; such
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=59&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start=0#msg_401" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />
a basic tivo side ftp server that generates tmf files dynamicly and lets you re-insert them with some show info restored.  
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=59&amp;start=0&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=59&amp;start=0&a mp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
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a basic tivo side ftp server that generates tmf files dynamicly and lets you re-insert them with some show info restored.  
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--
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Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files with a regular ftp client.
<br />

<br />
this makes it possible for a conversion process like tydemux (or whatnot) to easily access a mfs directory listing and/or recording xml data as text files using a few simple ftp commands.  (list, retr, etc)
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<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
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<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  .ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams.  
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<br />
xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  not all of it, just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
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2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
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<br />
allows interchange of tmf's between SA &amp; DTivo's.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
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<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
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<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
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<br />

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<br />
mfs_ftp needs mfs_tarstream, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert in the same directory with it.
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--
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Riley
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<br />
edit: post updated for the latest version, 1.2.3 attached, older versions removedhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files with a regular ftp client.
<br />

<br />
this makes it possible for a conversion process like tydemux (or whatnot) to easily access a mfs directory listing and/or recording xml data as text files using a few simple ftp commands.  (list, retr, etc)
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  .ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams.  
<br />

<br />
xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  not all of it, just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
allows interchange of tmf's between SA &amp; DTivo's.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp needs mfs_tarstream, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert in the same directory with it.
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />
edit: post updated for the latest version, 1.2.3 attached, older versions removedhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files with a regular ftp client.
<br />

<br />
this makes it possible for a conversion process like tydemux (or whatnot) to easily access a mfs directory listing and/or recording xml data as text files using a few simple ftp commands.  (list, retr, etc)
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  .ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams.  
<br />

<br />
xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  not all of it, just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
allows interchange of tmf's between SA &amp; DTivo's.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp needs mfs_tarstream, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert in the same directory with it.
<br />

<br />
--
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Riley
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<br />
edit: post updated for the latest version, 1.2.3 attached, older versions removeduses tydemux 4.2 (renamed to tdm.exe) and mplex,  unpacks a .tmf into a .ty, converts the .ty into an mpg, and indexes all three by series / title &amp; includes some date info in the filename. 
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tmf2mpg.tcl
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--
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RileyPatch to common.h for FreeBSD
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--- common.h+   Sun Mar  2 17:42:00 2003
<br />
+++ common.h    Sun Mar  2 17:44:45 2003
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@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@
<br />
 //typedef struct stat stat64_t;
<br />
 
<br />
 #else  /* Unix */
<br />
-#if !defined(__bsdi__)
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+#if !defined(__bsdi__) || !defined(__FreeBSD__)
<br />
 #include &lt;inttypes.h&gt;
<br />
 #else
<br />
 #define uint64_t u_int64_t
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@@ -83,8 +83,16 @@
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 #include &lt;unistd.h&gt;
<br />
 #define OS_FLAGS 0
<br />
 
<br />
+#if defined(__FreeBSD__)
<br />
+#define off64_t off_t
<br />
+#define lseek64 lseek
<br />
+#define fstat64 fstat
<br />
+typedef struct stat stat_t;
<br />
+#define stat64_t stat_t
<br />
+#else
<br />
 /* 64 bit file access */
<br />
 typedef struct stat64 stat64_t;
<br />
+#endif
<br />
 #endif
<br />
 
<br />
 /* 64 bit version of the abs function */
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bug fixes, better logging &amp; such
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--
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Riley
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edit: 1.2.4 also attachedbug fixes, better logging &amp; such
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--
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Riley
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edit: 1.2.4 also attachedFYI, I have mplayer reading a ty stream directly from local fs (reading over TCP (via Tridge's vserver, will be very easy).  This is from a SA 2.5 TiVo.
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<br />
I am having issues maintaining sync during stream skips though.
<br />

<br />
Anyone want to collaborate on a solution?  I need to understand timestamps better.I think I have the PTS issue handled.  Some web searches and the splitstream source are very enlightening.
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<br />
bug fixes, better logging &amp; such
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--
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Riley
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edit: 1.2.4 also attachedbug fixes, better logging &amp; such
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--
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Riley
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edit: 1.2.4 also attached<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>cwingert wrote on Wed, 12 March 2003 07:37</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I think I have the PTS issue handled.  Some web searches and the splitstream source are very enlightening.
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<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
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I've been developing a toolbox library for dealing with tystreams based on only the content of this of thread (and a few other threads on dealdatabase), without reference to any other source code. For reference, I've been comparing my output with that of &quot;tyc&quot;. Right now, I have a complete solution to read master ty headers and the chunk data (indexed per-chunk by record). Right now, I'm working on proper parsing of the MPEG data itself.
<br />

<br />
I, too, think the concept of split -&gt; remux is inherently flawed. I also believe some of the chunk extraction tools are flawed and produce invalid .ty files. So far, the mfs_stream included with mfsstreamweb98b has proven reliable, while mfs_ftp's tools have produced invalid .ty files.
<br />

<br />
Scanning for MPEG start codes without paying attention to the tystream chunk headers is very error-prone, as the headers may emulate MPEG start codes. 
<br />

<br />
--- sbrkOne of the most annoying problems with the PES video packets in the streams I've observed is that they seem to lack the proper size field.
<br />

<br />
Fer example:
<br />

<br />
<pre>
=== tyChunkHeader ===
numrecords: 0x00000048 indextovsh: 0x000000ff
0x0001: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b740 timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0x15 0x57 0xff 0xff 
0x0004: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b754 timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0x2c 0xcd 0xff 0xff 
0x0016: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b770 timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0x5b 0xb9 0xff 0xff 
0x0019: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b784 timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0x73 0x2f 0xff 0xff 
0x002d: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b7a4 timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0xa2 0x1b 0xff 0xff 
0x0031: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b7bc timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0xb9 0x91 0xff 0xff 
0x0041: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b7dc timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0xe8 0x7d 0xff 0xff 
0x0045: id: 0x6e0 [Video PES header] size: 0x00010 unknown0x04: 0x3000b7f4 timestamp: 0x0000000009f1a631
    0x00 0x00 0x01 0xe0 0x00 0x00 0x8c 0x80 0x07 0x21 0x00 0x09 0xff 0xf3 0xff 0xff 
</pre>
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--- sbrk<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>cwingert wrote on Wed, 12 March 2003 07:37</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I think I have the PTS issue handled.  Some web searches and the splitstream source are very enlightening.
<br />

<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
I've been developing a toolbox library for dealing with tystreams based on only the content of this of thread (and a few other threads on dealdatabase), without reference to any other source code. For reference, I've been comparing my output with that of &quot;tyc&quot;. Currently, I have a complete solution to read master ty headers and the chunk data (indexed per-chunk by record). I'm now working on proper parsing of the MPEG data itself.
<br />

<br />
I, too, think the concept of split -&gt; remux is inherently flawed. I also believe some of the chunk extraction tools are flawed and produce invalid .ty files. So far, the mfs_stream included with mfsstreamweb98b has proven reliable, while mfs_ftp's tools have produced invalid .ty files.
<br />

<br />
Scanning for MPEG start codes without paying attention to the tystream chunk headers is very error-prone, as the headers may emulate MPEG start codes. 
<br />

<br />
--- sbrkhere we go, tydemux info, discussion, whatnot
<br />

<br />
ONLY DEVELOPERS &amp; THOSE WITH A CLUE POSTING PLEASE!
<br />

<br />
as allways, this is NOT a help forum.  keep that on dd.  
<br />

<br />
due to some bad experiences with code being &quot;borrowed&quot; before the primaries were ready, some things probably won't show up here until a public release on dd.  
<br />

<br />
if it's in here &amp; not on dd it's a alpha/beta and don't bother unless you're willing to spend some time analyzing problems &amp; writing bug reports.
<br />

<br />
there's a IRC.FREENODE.NET #tydemux channel.  (lurking there won't get you anything any faster so please don't)
<br />

<br />
that said, if you'd like to contribute, please do.  attaboys &amp; marriage proposals to olaf should be limited to dd.   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere we go, tydemux info, discussion, whatnot
<br />

<br />
ONLY DEVELOPERS &amp; THOSE WITH A CLUE POSTING PLEASE!
<br />

<br />
as allways, this is NOT a help forum.  keep that on dd.  
<br />

<br />
due to some bad experiences with code being &quot;borrowed&quot; before the primaries were ready, some things probably won't show up here until a public release on dd.  
<br />

<br />
if it's in here &amp; not on dd it's a alpha/beta and don't bother unless you're willing to spend some time analyzing problems &amp; writing bug reports.
<br />

<br />
there's a IRC.FREENODE.NET #tydemux channel.  (lurking there won't get you anything any faster so please don't)
<br />

<br />
that said, if you'd like to contribute, please do.  attaboys &amp; marriage proposals to olaf should be limited to dd.   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> 
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileybug fixes, better logging &amp; such
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<br />
--
<br />
Rileybug fixes, better logging &amp; such
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyFYI.  I have released a beta version of a ty enabled mplayer.
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=22972" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=22972</a>mfs_ftp uses mfsstream to dump ty to a channel (tcp socket)
<br />

<br />
for .ty extract there was an issue with only the first fsid being extracted for a while but that's fixed in 1.2.5.1 &amp; later.  also, the xml data is appended to the end of the stream but it's easy to check for because it's preceeded and followed by 512 # characters
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileytmf2mpg.tcl is the raw tcl script, has windows specific paths in it.
<br />

<br />
tmf2mpg.exe is a freewrap compiled version that moves whatever tmf/tytar is dropped onto it &amp; puts it in c:\extracts\title-episode-date-station (from the xml info) and extracts the ty &amp; creates a mpg if tydemux.exe and mplex.exe are in your path. 
<br />

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--
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Riley<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>cwingert wrote on Mon, 24 March 2003 00:06</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>FYI.  I have released a beta version of a ty enabled mplayer.
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=22972" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Good work.
<br />

<br />
--- sbrk--- vstream/mfs.h+      Sun Mar 30 11:01:03 2003
<br />
+++ vstream/mfs.h       Sun Mar 30 11:02:56 2003
<br />
@@ -14,7 +14,9 @@
<br />
 #include &lt;signal.h&gt;
<br />
 #include &lt;unistd.h&gt;
<br />
 #include &lt;ctype.h&gt;
<br />
+#ifndef __FreeBSD__
<br />
 #include &lt;getopt.h&gt;
<br />
+#endif
<br />
 #include &lt;sys/types.h&gt;
<br />
 #include &lt;sys/ioctl.h&gt;
<br />
 #include &lt;dlfcn.h&gt;
<br />
@@ -79,6 +81,9 @@
<br />
 typedef unsigned long long u64;
<br />
 typedef unsigned u32;
<br />
 // typedef loff_t u64;
<br />
+#ifdef __FreeBSD__
<br />
+#define loff_t off_t
<br />
+#endif
<br />
 typedef unsigned short u16;
<br />
 typedef unsigned char u8;
<br />

<br />
--- libmpdemux/demux_mpg.c+     Sun Mar 30 10:55:19 2003
<br />
+++ libmpdemux/demux_mpg.c      Sun Mar 30 10:59:41 2003
<br />
@@ -533,6 +533,7 @@
<br />
    int              i;
<br />
    int              aid;
<br />
    demux_stream_t   *ds = NULL;
<br />
+   demux_packet_t   *dp = NULL;
<br />
    int              errorHeader = 0;
<br />
    float            pts = 0;
<br />
    int              readSize;
<br />
@@ -717,7 +718,7 @@
<br />
                ds = demux-&gt;video;
<br />
                if( !ds-&gt;sh ) ds-&gt;sh = demux-&gt;v_streams[ aid ];
<br />
             }
<br />
-            demux_packet_t *dp = new_demux_packet( size );
<br />
+            dp = new_demux_packet( size );
<br />
             memcpy( dp-&gt;buffer, &amp;chunk[ offset ], size );
<br />
             dp-&gt;pts = pts;
<br />
             dp-&gt;pos = demux-&gt;filepos + offset;
<br />
@@ -768,8 +769,6 @@
<br />
 
<br />
             aid = demux-&gt;audio-&gt;id;
<br />
 
<br />
-            demux_packet_t *dp;
<br />
-
<br />
             // SA DTiVo Audio Data, no PES
<br />
             // ================================================
<br />
             if ( nybbleType == 0x02 )
<br />
@@ -1075,9 +1074,9 @@
<br />
    sh_video_t     *sh_video = d_video-&gt;sh;
<br />
 
<br />
    //================= seek in MPEG ==========================
<br />
-   demuxer-&gt;filepos = stream_tell( demuxer-&gt;stream );
<br />
    off_t newpos = ( flags &amp; 1 ) ? demuxer-&gt;movi_start : demuxer-&gt;filepos;
<br />
    off_t res;
<br />
+   demuxer-&gt;filepos = stream_tell( demuxer-&gt;stream );
<br />
 
<br />
    if( flags &amp; 2 )
<br />
    {
<br />
[/code]
<br />

<br />
Also, you need to increment DEMUXER_TYPE_MAX in demuxer.h since
<br />
you've added one or -demuxer command won't work if autodetect fails.
<br />

<br />
--sbrk<pre>
--- vstream/mfs.h+      Sun Mar 30 11:01:03 2003
+++ vstream/mfs.h       Sun Mar 30 11:02:56 2003
@@ -14,7 +14,9 @@
 #include &lt;signal.h&gt;
 #include &lt;unistd.h&gt;
 #include &lt;ctype.h&gt;
+#ifndef __FreeBSD__
 #include &lt;getopt.h&gt;
+#endif
 #include &lt;sys/types.h&gt;
 #include &lt;sys/ioctl.h&gt;
 #include &lt;dlfcn.h&gt;
@@ -79,6 +81,9 @@
 typedef unsigned long long u64;
 typedef unsigned u32;
 // typedef loff_t u64;
+#ifdef __FreeBSD__
+#define loff_t off_t
+#endif
 typedef unsigned short u16;
 typedef unsigned char u8;

--- libmpdemux/demux_mpg.c+     Sun Mar 30 10:55:19 2003
+++ libmpdemux/demux_mpg.c      Sun Mar 30 10:59:41 2003
@@ -533,6 +533,7 @@
    int              i;
    int              aid;
    demux_stream_t   *ds = NULL;
+   demux_packet_t   *dp = NULL;
    int              errorHeader = 0;
    float            pts = 0;
    int              readSize;
@@ -717,7 +718,7 @@
                ds = demux-&gt;video;
                if( !ds-&gt;sh ) ds-&gt;sh = demux-&gt;v_streams[ aid ];
             }
-            demux_packet_t *dp = new_demux_packet( size );
+            dp = new_demux_packet( size );
             memcpy( dp-&gt;buffer, &amp;chunk[ offset ], size );
             dp-&gt;pts = pts;
             dp-&gt;pos = demux-&gt;filepos + offset;
@@ -768,8 +769,6 @@
 
             aid = demux-&gt;audio-&gt;id;
 
-            demux_packet_t *dp;
-
             // SA DTiVo Audio Data, no PES
             // ================================================
             if ( nybbleType == 0x02 )
@@ -1075,9 +1074,9 @@
    sh_video_t     *sh_video = d_video-&gt;sh;
 
    //================= seek in MPEG ==========================
-   demuxer-&gt;filepos = stream_tell( demuxer-&gt;stream );
    off_t newpos = ( flags &amp; 1 ) ? demuxer-&gt;movi_start : demuxer-&gt;filepos;
    off_t res;
+   demuxer-&gt;filepos = stream_tell( demuxer-&gt;stream );
 
    if( flags &amp; 2 )
    {
</pre>
<br />

<br />
Also, you need to increment DEMUXER_TYPE_MAX in demuxer.h since
<br />
you've added one or -demuxer command won't work if autodetect fails.
<br />

<br />
--sbrkHas the server moved?  This name (irc.openprojects.net) doesn't resolve.
<br />

<br />
Thanks...
<br />
DocIs it possible to shut down MyWorld (or whatever), and display my own screen (graphics and all). Overlay it with my own text, then interact with the remote to make selections (ala my own menu)? If so, how? I know how to interact with the remote, but how do I display my own scheiss on the screen? 
<br />

<br />
Thanks...
<br />
DocOops, irc.openprojects.org was renamed to irc.freenode.orgDisplaying to the screen is rather trivial [1], and you don't even need to shutdown myworld to do it. Read over the source to tivovbi (or any number of programs that stole the osd.c from it) along with the  
<br />
dec-cs22-usrapgd.pdf around page 64 if you want to know how it works.
<br />

<br />
[1] Trivial assuming you use C; tivosh (tcl) can't handle the required structs and pointers.I'm downloading the PDF and tivovbi now for review.
<br />

<br />
Thanks Embeem!
<br />
DocOops, irc.openprojects.net was renamed to irc.freenode.orgThat did it, thanks!
<br />
DocI have tried quite unsuccessfully to build a mips cross compiler for the tivo (series 2).
<br />

<br />
I've tried using build_mips_x_compiler.sh from <a href="http://sekrut.net/~tivo/" target="_blank">http://sekrut.net/~tivo/</a> but have been so far unable to get a toolchain to work.  That site has an already built toolchain for series 2 but I have not yet been unable to build the TiVo 3.0 kernel.  I don't know, though, if its the fault of the toolchain or my ignorance (certainly wouldn't rule out the latter).
<br />

<br />
Any suggestions/advice?
<br />

<br />
thanks
<br />
duoCool.. Hadn't looked at the .res files before..
<br />

<br />
Just added the following two lines to my tvres-3.0.res file:
<br />

<br />
<pre>
MenuTitles NowPlayingTitle 1 5
MenuTitles TiVoCentralTitle 1 6
</pre>
<br />

<br />
..Jeff
<br />
I've ran the script what seems like hundreds of times (having written it), including tonight when I saw your post, and haven't had any failures.
<br />

<br />
If it's failing sometime during the glibc process, due to an issue in regards to bigmips32 (or something), it's due to you having an existing mips-TiVo-linux-gcc in your path (i.e. /usr/local/mips-tivo/bin is in your path).  Removing that from your path should eliminate that error.
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If it's another issue you're having with the script, I'd be interested in hearing what it is.
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As far as building kernels, the toolchain works fine for that.  I'd have to assume it's something on your end, such as not having the proper CFLAGS in use. Easiest solution is to use the ism crud that TiVo supplied in the TIVO_2_0.tgz file (tivo.com/linux/).  In linux-2.4/ismdefs, point ROOT to the location of cmd/root (located in the forementioned file).  Edit the cmd/root/include/make/commondefs file per your local environment, and then try building the kernel.  Should work. I tried to build the cross-compiler using the instructions here:
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<a href="http://www.bileduct.org/tivo/xcompiler.html" target="_blank">http://www.bileduct.org/tivo/xcompiler.html</a>
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But it dies with this error:
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strerror.c:461: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
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/usr/include/bits/sys_errlist.h:28: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
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make[1]: *** [strerror.o] Error 1
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make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/tivo-xcompile/BUILD/toolchain/binutils-2.9.1/lib iberty'
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make: *** [all-libiberty] Error 2
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+ echo '**** binutils compile failed'
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**** binutils compile failed
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+ exit 1
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I'm trying to do it in a RedHat 8 machine running gcc 3.2.  Is there something I'm missing?
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Also, assuming I can get it working, what next?  I've never done any cross-compilation on Linux, so I'm wondering what kind of environment variables I'll need to set, what defines to use, etc.  Any suggestions and things to be careful about?Okay, so I know that the Tivo can be controlled by using SendKeyAndWait dumpState to look at the menu system.  That's what TivoWeb does.
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<br />
My question is, does nayone know how to play a show given its FSID?  Basically, more details about how the menu system works?  Lots of information is available about the MFS and getting shows out of MFS, but I have not found anything that lets you play a show given its MFS object ID.
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<br />
Anyone know how to do this?
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Okay, so I know that the Tivo can be controlled by using SendKeyAndWait dumpState to look at the menu system.  That's what TivoWeb does.
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<br />
My question is, does anyone know how to play a show given its FSID?  Basically, more details about how the menu system works?  Lots of information is available about the MFS and getting shows out of MFS, but I have not found anything that lets you play a show given its MFS object ID.
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<br />
Anyone know how to do this?
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OK, I have come across an issue.  We know that the first chunk (128k) of a Part File is a header with some cool information regarding the Part file.
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During my work on mplayer, I have found that the last chunk (128K)  of a Part file doesn't seem to belong to the presentation either.   If I decode that chunk, I seem to get a valid chunk from a different stream (ie PTS goes off in the weeds), however, the MPEG decoder crashes hard.  If I skip the sector, playback occurs fine.
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Anyone know what this last sector is for?
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Gracias
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Probably garbage, as the filesize in MFS is greater than number of chunks in the master chunk. 
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One of those &quot;easier to grab a few extra blocks just in case&quot; issues, most likely.
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--- sbrkHi,
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I have problems with osd.c with a Series 2 Version 4.0.
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I installed the home media option, still have bash with the prom hack, but the open command to /dev/mpeg0v fails and therefore
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nothing is displayed with none of the text2osd versions <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_sad.gif" border=0 alt="Sad">(
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Has anyone the same problems and found a workaround for this ?
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KaneTheGermanHi,
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with the home media option and software version 4.0 I have a number of problems with the old tools out there: TiVoWeb does not run, text2osd fails as /dev/mpeg0v can not be opend and there is no longer a working sendkey command (the new tcl script file complains that /devbin/sendkey can not be found). Therefore I have had a deeper look at the compiled tivoapp and detected a number of strings which show that there may be a way to send keys and other commands over tcp. Has anyone experience with that?
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<br />
On the other hand any hint how I can build my own sendkey and/or text2osd would be very nice. Anyone else having this problems with the home media oiption ?
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KaneTheGermanThe series2 is an entirely different system and architecture, or as you've noticed, it means that the old programs don't work. I'll post some notes on it when I get a chance but that won't be for awhile.<pre>: /root/tivo/build-glibc/libc_pic.a
mips-TiVo-linux-gcc   -nostdlib -nostartfiles -r -o /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/librtld.os '-Wl,-(' /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/dl-allobjs.os /root/tivo/build-glibc/libc_pic.a -lgcc '-Wl,-)'
mips-TiVo-linux-gcc   -nostdlib -nostartfiles -shared -o /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/ld.so -T /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/rtld-ldscript \
          /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/librtld.os         \
          -Wl,--version-script=/root/tivo/build-glibc/ld.map -Wl,-soname=ld.so.1
/usr/local/mips/lib/gcc-lib/mips-TiVo-linux/3.0/../../../../ mips-TiVo-linux/bin/ld: target elf32-bigmips not found
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [/root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/ld.so] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/tivo/glibc-2.2.3/elf'
make[1]: *** [elf/subdir_lib] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/tivo/glibc-2.2.3'
make: *** [all] Error 2
**** glibc compile failed
[root@EUN tivo]# export
declare -x BASH_ENV=&quot;/root/.bashrc&quot;
declare -x G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=&quot;1&quot;
declare -x HISTSIZE=&quot;1000&quot;
declare -x HOME=&quot;/root&quot;
declare -x HOSTNAME=&quot;EUN&quot;
declare -x INPUTRC=&quot;/etc/inputrc&quot;
declare -x LANG=&quot;en_US.UTF-8&quot;
declare -x LESSOPEN=&quot;|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s&quot;
declare -x LOGNAME=&quot;root&quot;
declare -x LS_COLORS=&quot;no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01 ;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:ex =01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com=01;32:*.btm=01;32:*.bat =01;32:*.sh=01;32:*.csh=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj= 01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;3 1:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:* .cpio=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.xbm=01;35: *.xpm=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.tif=01;35:&quot;
declare -x MAIL=&quot;/var/spool/mail/root&quot;
declare -x OLDPWD=&quot;/root&quot;
declare -x PATH=&quot;/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sb in:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin&quot;
declare -x PWD=&quot;/root/tivo&quot;
declare -x SHELL=&quot;/bin/bash&quot;
declare -x SHLVL=&quot;1&quot;
declare -x SSH_ASKPASS=&quot;/usr/libexec/openssh/gnome-ssh-askpass&quo t;
declare -x SSH_CLIENT=&quot;**************&quot;
declare -x SSH_CONNECTION=&quot;**************&quot;
declare -x SSH_TTY=&quot;/dev/pts/0&quot;
declare -x TERM=&quot;vt100&quot;
declare -x USER=&quot;root&quot;
declare -x USERNAME=&quot;root&quot;</pre>
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I don't have anything old in my path.  First time I've run ths script on this box.  Any other ideas?
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<pre>: /root/tivo/build-glibc/libc_pic.a
mips-TiVo-linux-gcc   -nostdlib -nostartfiles -r -o /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/librtld.os '-Wl,-(' /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/dl-allobjs.os /root/tivo/build-glibc/libc_pic.a -lgcc '-Wl,-)'
mips-TiVo-linux-gcc   -nostdlib -nostartfiles -shared -o /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/ld.so -T /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/rtld-ldscript \
          /root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/librtld.os         \
          -Wl,--version-script=/root/tivo/build-glibc/ld.map -Wl,-soname=ld.so.1
/usr/local/mips/lib/gcc-lib/mips-TiVo-linux/3.0/../../../../  mips-TiVo-linux/bin/ld: target elf32-bigmips not found
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [/root/tivo/build-glibc/elf/ld.so] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/tivo/glibc-2.2.3/elf'
make[1]: *** [elf/subdir_lib] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/tivo/glibc-2.2.3'
make: *** [all] Error 2
**** glibc compile failed
[root@EUN tivo]# export
declare -x BASH_ENV=&quot;/root/.bashrc&quot;
declare -x G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=&quot;1&quot;
declare -x HISTSIZE=&quot;1000&quot;
declare -x HOME=&quot;/root&quot;
declare -x HOSTNAME=&quot;EUN&quot;
declare -x INPUTRC=&quot;/etc/inputrc&quot;
declare -x LANG=&quot;en_US.UTF-8&quot;
declare -x LESSOPEN=&quot;|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s&quot;
declare -x LOGNAME=&quot;root&quot;
declare -x declare -x MAIL=&quot;/var/spool/mail/root&quot;
declare -x OLDPWD=&quot;/root&quot;
declare -x PATH=&quot;/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sb  in:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin&quot;
declare -x PWD=&quot;/root/tivo&quot;
declare -x SHELL=&quot;/bin/bash&quot;
declare -x SHLVL=&quot;1&quot;
declare -x SSH_ASKPASS=&quot;/usr/libexec/openssh/gnome-ssh-askpass&amp ;quo t;
declare -x SSH_CLIENT=&quot;**************&quot;
declare -x SSH_CONNECTION=&quot;**************&quot;
declare -x SSH_TTY=&quot;/dev/pts/0&quot;
declare -x TERM=&quot;vt100&quot;
declare -x USER=&quot;root&quot;
declare -x USERNAME=&quot;root&quot;</pre>
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I don't have anything old in my path.  First time I've run ths script on this box.  Any other ideas?
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There's really no magic function/syscall/ioctl that you can call from your own program to tell the tivo to start playing an fsid. You're limited to what you can do by modifying the mfs and/or sendkeys etc. If you were motivated enough you could extract the tystream from mfs and convert it to mpeg in realtime and then proceed to feed that into the /dev/mpeg0a and /dev/mpeg0v and get it to play the file.
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The problem you'll run into is the fact that all the rewind/fastforward/replay etc is done in software and built into the myworld program, in other words if you try sending the data to the hardware directly you won't have any of that functionality unless you explicitly write the code to do it.
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Bottom line? Not possible unless you rewrite the interface and everything that goes with it, you're talking code to tune channels, schedule recordings and handle all user input; it's just not worth the effort. Be creative and try to manipulate myworld by intercepting data, using sendkeys, etc.The hacks that use the osd make use of the 0x403 ioctl which basically just dumpped data to the cs22 chip found in the series1. The series2 changes to a broadcom chipset and a different set of modules (and hence ioctls). No documentation on the broadcom chip without an NDA so you'll just have to spy on how tivo's applications control the osd to figure out the ioctls and the data format.
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As for the tcp ports, they just moved the event handler from an old unix socket to tcp the format should be the same. All the sendkeys program needs to do is connect into the event handler and issue key events. I haven't looked but I'd imagine tivosh still has the 'event' command that you could use to do it instead of messing with the event handler directly.Thanks for your valuable input embeem.  I have no intention of rewriting any Tivo interfaces.  In fact, for what I have in mind I want to use all of myworld, including all the functions you mentioned.  I just want a quicker way for another computer to tell the Tivo to play a show without having to navigate through the menus.
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Do you know if anybody has a myworld event debugger?  In the same way that the Tivo SendKey.tcl script registers for the EVT_MW_STATUS event, there are a bunch of other events that could be registered as well, and I'm wondering if one of those events might contain what I am looking for.<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh

#event handler callback ...

proc status_callback { type subtype } {
  global NumEvents EventData
  binary scan $EventData H* data
  binary scan $EventData I* idata
  putlog &quot;TYPE: [format &quot;%02d&quot; $type] SUBTYPE: [format &quot;%02d&quot; $subtype] $data ($idata)&quot;
}

event connect

#set traps for all events ...

for {set x 0} {$x&lt;70} {incr x} {
  event register $x status_callback
}
#event send 19 11 [binary format I [pid]]


#wait forever ...

set StillWaiting 1
while { $StillWaiting } {
  vwait StillWaiting
}
</pre>
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Some events you send get broadcasted to every client requesting notification of the events, some don't; it basically depends on the type of event. I.e. the client connects to the event handler and request events using events, those aren't retransmitted, other events like status of various subsystems are; you change channels and it'll transmit type 45, subtype 3 to signal that the  program information has changed.
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The above segment of tcl code just hooks into the event handler and tries to register all events and dumps whatever it gets.
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<br />
...
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You might want to take a look at tivoweb's screen module, code behind it is an overwhelming mess but it does a good job of quickly navigating the menus with a minimal of keystrokes.
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<br />
Another idea that might be worth following up on is tracing exactly what happens between the various threads of myworld when you try to change the channel, you might find some IPC (inter-process communication) going on that you could potentially intercept/modify with a kernel module to manipulate the tivo.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh

#event handler callback ...

proc status_callback { type subtype } {
  global NumEvents EventData
  binary scan $EventData H* data
  binary scan $EventData I* idata
  putlog &quot;TYPE: [format &quot;%02d&quot; $type] SUBTYPE: [format &quot;%02d&quot; $subtype] $data ($idata)&quot;
}

event connect

#set traps for all events ...

for {set x 0} {$x&lt;70} {incr x} {
  event register $x status_callback
}
#event send 19 11 [binary format I [pid]]


#wait forever ...

set StillWaiting 1
while { $StillWaiting } {
  vwait StillWaiting
}
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
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<br />
Some events you send get broadcasted to every client requesting notification of the events, some don't; it basically depends on the type of event. I.e. the client connects to the event handler and request events using events, those aren't retransmitted, other events like status of various subsystems are; you change channels and it'll transmit type 45, subtype 3 to signal that the  program information has changed.
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<br />
The above segment of tcl code just hooks into the event handler and tries to register all events and dumps whatever it gets.
<br />

<br />
...
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<br />
You might want to take a look at tivoweb's screen module, code behind it is an overwhelming mess but it does a good job of quickly navigating the menus with a minimal of keystrokes.
<br />

<br />
Another idea that might be worth following up on is tracing exactly what happens between the various threads of myworld when you try to change the channel, you might find some IPC (inter-process communication) going on that you could potentially intercept/modify with a kernel module to manipulate the tivo. The lowlevel internals will change between versions though making such a hack very version specific.Hey folks,
<br />

<br />
Is anyone here working with HMO's Photo and Music Server Protocol?  I'm writing a HMOPMS (wow, what a great acronym! <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil">  ) module for Postnuke and would like to discuss various problems I've run into.
<br />

<br />
DmitryHrm.  What type of box is this?  I vaguely recall you saying it was RedHat 8.0, but honestly can't recall.  Three &quot;solutions&quot; I can think of.... If you can give me a shell on the box, I can probably fix this in a few minutes.  Alternatively, I can try installing whatever distro you're running on a spare box here (although I'd prefer to avoid that if possible).  Or, get my attention on IRC sometime again and see if we can walk through this problem (I was out of town this past weekend, hence why I didn't catch/reply to your messages).I'm curious to hear about it but I haven't had a chance to poke at HMO myself. (The only thing about HMO that really caught my attention was the remote viewing)Well, just as a follow up for any potential lurkers.  The problem KRavEN is having seems to stem from using binutils-2.13 instead of binutils-2.11.  Using 2.11 (i.e. what the script uses) does not have this issue.Sorry for the long no reply.  Work is keeping me busy.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
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I ran the script unmodified on a fresh installation of Redhat 8.0 and Redhat 9.  I didn't have tivo-mips installed and I got the same problem on either installation.  It was during the glibc doc installation.  I think it was trying to the compile the docs or something and it failed.
<br />

<br />
At any rate, I was trying to get on your site (sekrute.net/~tivo) but it seems down right now.  If I remember correctly you were using slakware.  Can you tell me which version?  I can easily download it and use it as my build environment.
<br />

<br />
I've heard of docs problems while building glibc on certain RedHat distro's.  Can't really give too much insight into it.  Seems to be a problem with makeinfo.  Easiest solution is to replace makeinfo with a dummy script/program that does nothing.
<br />

<br />
The site is at <a href="http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/" target="_blank">http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/</a> now. I've used Slackware 8.0+8.1, and KRavEN is running RedHat 9.0 which I was able to build the toolchain successfully with the original script.While debugging someone's DTiVo stream, I came across an e/03 packet type.  Anyone seen this before?On subuni's last post, it did compile on Redhat 9, but I had already replaced makeinfo with a dummy binary which I failed to mention to subuni.  So to get it to work on Redhat 9 that must be done.
<br />

<br />
So I finally got this working.  Subuni helped me out a great deal as well as wcb and mrblack51.  Found out that there are problems with binutils 2.11 that give symtab errors when building mips modules.  Subuni never had this problem, but I, mrblack51, and wcb have had it on several different machines and linux distributions.  This was the problem I've been having since I started working on this.  Other programs compile fine.  The compiler build script on subuni's website only works with the 2.11 binutils.  
<br />

<br />
I fiddled around a bit and finally got the script to complete with 2.13 binutils.  Now all the modules build without the symtab errors.
<br />

<br />
I've got this setup like dtype's tivodev PPC build env, so once I get the tarball uploaded somewhere I'll post a link to it.
<br />

<br />
Just in case anyone runs into a problem with the Siemens 10/100 USB adapters not working with the pegasus.o module that comes on the S2, there is a problem with the source pegasus.h file.  The two entries for the Siemens adapter should have PEGASUS_II in there.  Once those changes are made and the module is recompiled it works great.
<br />

<br />
Does anyone have any info on the environment variables that need to be set when compiling the TiVo-3.1.3.2-cmd.tar.gz stuff?Here are the few notes I actually took when I cross-compiled the mips from a Mac:
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
During the build of glibc, the first line of build-glibc/elf/rtld-ldscript had to be changed:
<br />

<br />
     OUTPUT_FORMAT(&quot;elf32-bigmips&quot;) changed to -&gt;
<br />
     OUTPUT_FORMAT(&quot;elf32-tradbigmips&quot;)
<br />

<br />
Otherwise, the ld.so dynamic linker will fail to compile.
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
On the Mac, in order to get gdb to cross-compile, I had to use this Apple-only option to the compiler:
<br />

<br />
       -no-cpp-precomp
<br />
           By default, Apple's GCC preprocesses C and Objective-C
<br />
           with a special preprocessor called cpp-precomp that
<br />
           supports precompiled headers.  This preprocessor can-
<br />
           not always handle every construct that GCC supports;
<br />
           use -no-cpp-precomp to switch to using GNU cpp
<br />
           instead.  (APPLE ONLY)
<br />

<br />
So, I configured the cross-compile like this:
<br />

<br />
CFLAGS=&quot;-no-cpp-precomp&quot; ../gdb-5.3/configure --verbose --prefix=/usr/local/tivo-mips/ --exec-prefix=/usr/local/tivo-mips --target=mips-TiVo-linux
<br />
And oddly enough, I couldn't get the powerpc-TiVo-linux stuff together on my Mac.  Partly because of assumptions made in the various (old) packages about the PPC architecture (and partly due to missing header files)Here are the few notes I actually took when I cross-compiled the mips from a Mac:
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
During the build of glibc, the first line of build-glibc/elf/rtld-ldscript had to be changed:
<br />

<br />
     OUTPUT_FORMAT(&quot;elf32-bigmips&quot;) changed to -&gt;
<br />
     OUTPUT_FORMAT(&quot;elf32-tradbigmips&quot;)
<br />

<br />
Otherwise, the ld.so dynamic linker will fail to compile.
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
On the Mac, in order to get gdb to cross-compile, I had to use this Apple-only option to the compiler:
<br />

<br />
       -no-cpp-precomp
<br />
           By default, Apple's GCC preprocesses C and Objective-C
<br />
           with a special preprocessor called cpp-precomp that
<br />
           supports precompiled headers.  This preprocessor can-
<br />
           not always handle every construct that GCC supports;
<br />
           use -no-cpp-precomp to switch to using GNU cpp
<br />
           instead.  (APPLE ONLY)
<br />

<br />
So, I configured the cross-compile like this:
<br />

<br />
CFLAGS=&quot;-no-cpp-precomp&quot; ../gdb-5.3/configure --verbose --prefix=/usr/local/tivo-mips/ --exec-prefix=/usr/local/tivo-mips --target=mips-TiVo-linux
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
I used slightly different versions of two packages than are called out in the build script on subuni's site.  (I think I was &quot;forced&quot; to):
<br />

<br />
binutils-2.13 instead of 2.11
<br />
gcc-3.0.4 instead of 3.0
<br />

<br />
Here are the few notes I actually took when I cross-compiled the mips from a Mac:
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
During the build of glibc, the first line of build-glibc/elf/rtld-ldscript had to be changed:
<br />

<br />
     OUTPUT_FORMAT(&quot;elf32-bigmips&quot;) changed to -&gt;
<br />
     OUTPUT_FORMAT(&quot;elf32-tradbigmips&quot;)
<br />

<br />
Otherwise, the ld.so dynamic linker will fail to compile.
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
On the Mac, in order to get gdb to cross-compile, I had to use this Apple-only option to the compiler:
<br />

<br />
       -no-cpp-precomp
<br />
           By default, Apple's GCC preprocesses C and Objective-C
<br />
           with a special preprocessor called cpp-precomp that
<br />
           supports precompiled headers.  This preprocessor can-
<br />
           not always handle every construct that GCC supports;
<br />
           use -no-cpp-precomp to switch to using GNU cpp
<br />
           instead.  (APPLE ONLY)
<br />

<br />
So, I configured the cross-compile like this:
<br />

<br />
CFLAGS=&quot;-no-cpp-precomp&quot; ../gdb-5.3/configure --verbose --prefix=/usr/local/tivo-mips/ --exec-prefix=/usr/local/tivo-mips --target=mips-TiVo-linux
<br />

<br />
----
<br />

<br />
I used slightly different versions of two packages than are called out in the build script on subuni's site.  (I think I was &quot;forced&quot; to):
<br />

<br />
binutils-2.13 instead of 2.11
<br />
gcc-3.0.4 instead of 3.0
<br />

<br />
Other than that, the script worked well for me on both Redhat i386, and Mac OS X.  I didn't trust the script to go off and do everything unattended though....I launched each step after being sure the previous one had no anomolies.
<br />

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i'm a new tivo owner and i have tivo version 4.0 stand alone. can i extract movie clips from it?? if it could can u point me to the program i have to use to get it...can i extract it thru the usb port? or do  i have to yank  the hd out of the unit?
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what program will i need to extra the movies?what linux distro should i use (the easiest one of course.)
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This is a developer forum, the applications and information provided aren't intended for end user use at this point.
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In other words: don't expect any support here.e03 is the I-preview data (i.e., the pop-up window on a recording with the &quot;press record to record&quot; and the thumbs-up symbol).
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For the record, e05 is the equivalent on the UK model.Kraven:  I would be very interested in getting a copy of your scripts.  I had noticed that modules problem.  I also got the regular script to work after fiddling with makeinfo.
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I also noticed while building the 3.0 kernel that it got all the way to the very end of the build and then it spit out 'couldnt allocate'.  This turns out to be from the scripts/elfextract.  Not being a perl person, I don't know exactly why it fails except that it looks like its trying to read in the file (vmlinux).
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Thanks.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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perl script fixes in scripts/
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For each of the following three files in the scripts directory:
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elf2ppceval
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elfextract
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makeppceval
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After the first &quot;open&quot; statement, add the line:
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binmode ifile;
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And save the changes.
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thats from gneufbug fixes, better logging &amp; such
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Riley<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>mrblack51 wrote on Wed, 30 April 2003 21:32</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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perl script fixes in scripts/
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For each of the following three files in the scripts directory:
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elf2ppceval
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elfextract
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makeppceval
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After the first &quot;open&quot; statement, add the line:
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binmode ifile;
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And save the changes.
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thats from gneuf<br></td></tr></table>
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From a non-perler, I thank you.
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RileyOne confirmation and two quick notes for the record..
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Tue, 01 October 2002 17:42</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><font face="courier">
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0x3ED = frame advance
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Like gcobb, I couldn't get frame advance to do anything.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Tue, 01 October 2002 17:42</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><font face="courier">
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0x3F2 = 351 (decimal) while live, 0 while menu ?
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Actually, my guess is it has something to do with either how much video is buffered up for the chip, or maybe how out of sync the audio/video is (but those are both just guesses). It returns 0 if you're watching video but you're paused, and 351 when watching video that's playing.  I've had it return numbers smaller than 351 (13, 91, etc) when doing things like changing the channel or skipping to live.
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<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Tue, 01 October 2002 17:42</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><font face="courier">
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0x3F7 = slow motion, larger data values are slower
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Meaningful values would appear to be from 0 to 7.
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..Jeff
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My solution was to take a copy of functions.def, put it in the patches dir, and add a line to the shell script to copy it back when the time was right ( same time as the other 'patches', none of which are actually diff files)
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I changed my copy by removing anything strerror, and a few other things ... basicly anything mentioned in error messages.  &lt;G&gt;
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YMMV
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Has anybody fixed the texi files, which on my system generate makeinfo errors?
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I went ahead and updated the script to use binutils-2.13 for all of you that had troubles with kernel/modules when it used binutils-2.11.
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Updated script is available at: <a href="http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/s2/build_mips_x_compiler.sh" target="_blank">http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/s2/build_mips_x_compiler.sh</a>
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The precompiled toolchain tarball has not been updated yet.  I need to contact the two people who are gracious enough to provide high speed mirrors, however with the tivocommunity.com outage I have no means of contacting them. I went ahead and updated the script to use binutils-2.13 for all of you that had troubles with kernel/modules when it used binutils-2.11.
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Updated script is available at: <a href="http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/s2/build_mips_x_compiler.sh" target="_blank">http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/s2/build_mips_x_compiler.sh</a>
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The precompiled toolchain tarball has not been updated yet.  I need to contact the two people who are gracious enough to provide high speed mirrors, however with the tivocommunity.com outage I have no means of contacting them. So until then, you'll most likely need to build the toolchain from scratch using this script.as allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dd thread
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RileyI have been having trouble cross-compiling a libc build that the TiVo-supplied binaries (including such mundane programs as /bin/sh and df) will correctly link against on my HDVR2.
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I am using glibc-2.2.3 with linuxthreads.  Whether I build it manually or copy the libraries from inubus' tarball, TiVo's binaries will give me a bus error when they try to link against the new libraries.
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ex:
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cd /usr/local/tivo-mips
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tar cf - lib | ssh tivo &quot;cd /exproot ; tar xvf -&quot;
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ssh tivo &quot;cp -a /bin /exproot/&quot;
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ssh tivo &quot;chroot /exproot /bin/sh&quot;
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gives me a bus error.
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I realize that the getpw* functions and such were disabled in TiVo's libc, but why are binaries that (presumably) have been built not to depend on these functions refusing to run?  Did TiVo do something else to glibc 2.2.3 to break compatibility?  And where the heck does pthread_condattr_setclock() come from?
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I also can't get a cross-compiled libthread_db.so for glibc 2.2.3 to work correctly on the TiVo, and therefore cannot get gdb to properly attach to multithreaded processes.
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What am I missing here?dtype,
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Any chance on getting your source for this so I can compile it for mips?  If not, could you compile it for mips?Just wondering what the general industry opinion is on the possibilities of extending the business processing software by Tibco called Integration Manager that are shown on the website:
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<a href="http://www.geocities.com/im_art_competition/IM_ART.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/im_art_competition/IM_ART.html</a>I am working on a program similar to tplayitsam and Playback.  However, I am planning on putting an OSD GUI together for the Now Playing List for remote TiVos.
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I have a new version of vplay with buffering working for local file streams, local mfs streams, and remote (vserver connected) mfs streams.
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I have done limited testing with the various versions of streams.  However, with 2.5 streams lipsync seems to work well.  I have an old 1.3 stream where lipsync seems to go off into the weeds.  I have tried the Audio Sync ioctl with no success.
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Any pointers to getting a 1.3 stream sync'ed?
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Thankshere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
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<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
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<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
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the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
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on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
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2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
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recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
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passive and fxp transfers supported.
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<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
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for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
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requirements:
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mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
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these need to exist 
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<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
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a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
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Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
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requirements:
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mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
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these need to exist 
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<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
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<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
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Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
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<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
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(Size: 19.73KB, Downloaded 684 time(s))are there any modules out there to display pictures stored on my home computer on the tivo? Support request; moved to off-topic.Attached is a version of monte ported to the MIPS architecture.  It comes in two parts: the module &quot;kmonte.o&quot; which should be inserted into the kernel using insmod.  The user-level program called &quot;monte&quot; is then used to specify which &quot;image.px&quot; to load.
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The &quot;image.px&quot; file is essentially a MIPS kernel and initrd combined into one image using TiVo's makeppceval script.
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<br />
Note that monte completely bypasses TiVo's boot prom, so don't expect any signature checking of the image.px file.   And if the initrd image within the image.px doesn't do any signature checking, well then there won't be any signature checking at all.
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Don't forget to give monte the command line that the next kernel should use.  Things like root=xx and console=2,1152000.  Depending on what initrd you choose to package up, the command line will not be filtered for &quot;approved&quot; strings.
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A number of people have been using this since February, so it shouldn't have too many kinks.
<br />
here's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
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<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
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(Size: 19.73KB, Downloaded 684 time(s))here's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />

<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stdinsert.zip
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(Size: 48.41KB, Downloaded 720 time(s)) 
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 Attachment: mfs_tarstream.zip
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(Size: 29.46KB, Downloaded 668 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stream.zip
<br />
(Size: 19.73KB, Downloaded 684 time(s))&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyI purchased a &quot;dead&quot; DTivo to use as a cheap PPC development board. (My next work project will be using a PPC.) It turns out that it is not so dead and I hope that I may be able to use it for DTivo S/W development. (I love my DTivo's.)
<br />

<br />
I have a Wiggler printer port JTAG interface that I had expected to use. I found the Wiggler connection information and the Wiggler appears to expect many more connections than those described at 
<br />
<a href="http://penguinppc.org/embedded/tivo/hardware/jtag.shtml" target="_blank">http://penguinppc.org/embedded/tivo/hardware/jtag.shtml</a>
<br />

<br />
Later today, I'll be ready to try the Wiggler connected to the following pins:
<br />
TCK      6
<br />
TMS      7
<br />
TDI      8
<br />
HALT     9
<br />
TDO      16
<br />

<br />
I doubt that I will kill anything but it will not provide all of the connections expected by the Wiggler interface S/W.
<br />

<br />
Can anyone recommend a better approach to setting up a cheap JTAG DTivo debugger?
<br />
No smoke but no success getting control of the PPC with the Wiggler. It may be next weekend before I work on this again.
<br />
here's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />

<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stdinsert.zip
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(Size: 48.41KB, Downloaded 720 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_tarstream.zip
<br />
(Size: 29.46KB, Downloaded 668 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stream.zip
<br />
(Size: 19.73KB, Downloaded 684 time(s))&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />

<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes
<br />

<br />
x:\extracts\
<br />
d:\my_recordings\
<br />
v:\video_files\
<br />

<br />
and so forth
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />

<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes
<br />

<br />
x:/extracts/
<br />
d:/my_recordings/
<br />
v:/video_files/
<br />

<br />
and so forth
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />

<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes
<br />

<br />
x:/extracts/
<br />
d:/my_recordings/
<br />
v:/video_files/
<br />

<br />
and so forth
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />

<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stdinsert.zip
<br />
(Size: 48.41KB, Downloaded 720 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_tarstream.zip
<br />
(Size: 29.46KB, Downloaded 668 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stream.zip
<br />
(Size: 19.73KB, Downloaded 684 time(s))here is a statically linked version of nec for the S2.--
<br />
RileyI made several changes to my board connector connections and the Wiggler JTAG interface appears to be working. I have started experimenting with the capabilities.
<br />
here's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />

<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stdinsert.zip
<br />
(Size: 48.41KB, Downloaded 720 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_tarstream.zip
<br />
(Size: 29.46KB, Downloaded 668 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stream.zip
<br />
(Size: 19.73KB, Downloaded 684 time(s))as allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dd thread
<br />

<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915&amp;perpage=5&amp;pagenumber=1" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley
<br />

<br />

<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stdinsert.zip
<br />
(Size: 48.41KB, Downloaded 720 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_tarstream.zip
<br />
(Size: 29.46KB, Downloaded 668 time(s)) 
<br />
 Attachment: mfs_stream.zip
<br />
(Size: 19.73KB, Downloaded 684 time(s))as allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dd thread
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=83857#post83857</a>
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley--
<br />
Riley--
<br />
Riley<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rftoggle.c</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>#include &lt;stdio.h&gt;
#include &lt;asm/px_hw.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/mman.h&gt;
#include &lt;unistd.h&gt;
#include &lt;fcntl.h&gt;

unsigned int ms_base_addr;

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
        int fd = open(&quot;/dev/kmem&quot;,O_RDWR);
        ms_base_addr = (int) mmap(0,4096,PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_SHARED,fd,USR_OLD_MS_BA SE_ADDR);
        close(fd);
        MsWrite(MS_CTL_REG,MsRead(MS_CTL_REG)^0x00010000);
        return  0;
}</pre><br></td></tr></table>here's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />

<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes
<br />

<br />
x:/extracts/
<br />
d:/my_recordings/
<br />
v:/video_files/
<br />

<br />
and so forth
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />

<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes
<br />

<br />
x:/extracts/
<br />
d:/my_recordings/
<br />
v:/video_files/
<br />

<br />
and so forth
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />

<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes
<br />

<br />
x:/extracts/
<br />
d:/my_recordings/
<br />
v:/video_files/
<br />

<br />
and so forth
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyHas anyone figured out how to zap the multiple windows (or panes) that are setup when in a TiVo menu?
<br />

<br />
For example, when I use the tivovbi functions to update the screen on the main menu.  The top of the menu is updated according to the buffer, however, where the menu items were seem to show my text (skewed a bit) for a few milliseconds and then it disappears.
<br />

<br />
Better yet, is there a way I can &quot;clear&quot; the osd such that it is in the &quot;Live TV&quot; State?
<br />

<br />
Thanks for any pointers
<br />

<br />
Nevermind, looked at the latest tivovbi.here's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so
<br />

<br />
kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later
<br />

<br />

<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes
<br />

<br />
x:/extracts/
<br />
d:/my_recordings/
<br />
v:/video_files/
<br />

<br />
and so forth
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side utility that lets you extract .tmf or .ty files or insert tmf files with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp. 
<br />

<br />
using smart-ftp (mentioned in the readme) I get about 1,050 k/sec extract/insert from a dtivo/tivonet running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x
<br />

<br />
the tmf streams from mfs-ftp are identical to those produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver.  ty's are regular old mfs_stream streams with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end.  this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files or automatic indexing / sorting of extracted files.
<br />

<br />
on tmf insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording.  just what's relevant (title / date /etc)
<br />

<br />
2.x tmf's can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x tmf's can be inserted in 2.x boxes.
<br />

<br />
recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one to another.  (if the dtivo streams are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported.
<br />

<br />
direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely via a fxp enabled ftp client.
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.xml and the fsid numbers for each part is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/fsid#.pts  -  this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily.  (the fsid# is the # of the recording object, not a video segment, those #'s are in the .pts file)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream and mfs_stdinsert need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
these need to exist 
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache
<br />

<br />
a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp - (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side ftp server that lets you transfer tivo recordings from tivo-pc, pc-tivo or tivo-tivo in tmf/ty/ty+ format with a regular ftp client or browser
<br />

<br />
<a href="ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/" target="_blank">ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/</a> will connect your browser to the default port on mfs_ftp assuming 192.168.0.2 is your tivo ip
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp
<br />

<br />
on my dtivos running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x software I get around 1,050 K/sec across tivonet and 1,900k K/sec via turbonet
<br />

<br />
tmf files from mfs-ftp are internally identical to the tarfiles produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver. ty &amp; ty+ are regular old mfs_stream files with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end. this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files, indexing / sorting extracted files or dvd menu generation
<br />

<br />
on insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording. so far just what's necesary for playback (title / date /etc) and the description. the entire xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml &amp; that's what's put in an extract if an insert is extracted again
<br />

<br />
2.x recordings can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x recordings can be inserted in 2.x boxes. recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one type to the other. (if the dtivo recordings are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely when initiated with a fxp enabled ftp client like smart-ftp or even by plain old telnet (for the hard core cmd line fanatics) 
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml and the fsid numbers for each recording part are cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.pts - this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily (for building insertable/convertable tmf/ty/ty+ files)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache needs to exist, and a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt)
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyHas anyone built one of these for the series two?<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>subuni wrote on Mon, 05 May 2003 22:39</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I went ahead and updated the script to use binutils-2.13 for all of you that had troubles with kernel/modules when it used binutils-2.11.
<br />

<br />
Updated script is available at: <a href="http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/s2/build_mips_x_compiler.sh" target="_blank">http://tivo.archaic-apples.com/s2/build_mips_x_compiler.sh</a>
<br />

<br />
The precompiled toolchain tarball has not been updated yet.  I need to contact the two people who are gracious enough to provide high speed mirrors, however with the tivocommunity.com outage I have no means of contacting them. So until then, you'll most likely need to build the toolchain from scratch using this script.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
It took some massaging but I was able to get the script to build on cygwin.  This means you can now develop tivo apps on your windows box.
<br />

<br />
If there's interest, I'll upload somewhere.
<br />

<br />
d7o<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>d7o3g4q wrote on Fri, 20 June 2003 18:50</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
It took some massaging but I was able to get the script to build on cygwin.  This means you can now develop tivo apps on your windows box.
<br />

<br />
If there's interest, I'll upload somewhere.
<br />

<br />
d7o<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
I would certainly like to try it. I have used the linux stuff, but running it on the windows box would be really convienient
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>#include &lt;linux/module.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/kernel.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/sched.h&gt;
#include &lt;syscall.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/fs.h&gt;
#include &lt;strings.h&gt;
#include &lt;asm/uaccess.h&gt;
#include &lt;sys/mman.h&gt;

extern void *sys_call_table[];
extern struct task_struct *current_set[NR_CPUS];

static asmlinkage int (*orig_open)(const char * filename,int flags,int mode);
static asmlinkage int (*link)(const char * oldname, const char * newname);
static asmlinkage int (*symlink)(const char * oldname, const char * newname);

extern unsigned long do_mmap(struct file * file, unsigned long addr, unsigned long len,
        unsigned long prot, unsigned long flags, unsigned long off);
extern int do_munmap(unsigned long, size_t);

static char *from    = &quot;/var/packages/&quot;;
static int  from_len = 14;
MODULE_PARM(from,&quot;s&quot;);

static char *to      = &quot;/tmp/&quot;;
static int to_len    = 5;
MODULE_PARM(to,&quot;s&quot;);


static int new_open(const char * filename,int flags,int mode)
{
        int ret;
        if (filename &amp;&amp; !strncmp(filename,from,from_len) &amp;&amp; flags&amp;O_WRONLY)
        {
                int len = strlen(filename) + 1 - from_len + to_len;
                char *new_file = (char *)do_mmap(0,0,len,PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE | PROT_EXEC,MAP_PRIVATE,0);

                __copy_tofrom_user((void *)(new_file+0),(const void *)to,to_len);
                __copy_tofrom_user((void *)(new_file+to_len),(const void *)(filename+from_len),len-to_len);

                ret = (*orig_open)(new_file,flags,mode);
                if ((*link)((const char *)new_file,(const char *)filename)&lt;0) {
                        (*symlink)((const char *)new_file,(const char *)filename);
                }
                do_munmap((unsigned long)new_file,(size_t)len);
        } else {
                ret = (*orig_open)(filename,flags,mode);
        }

        return ret;
}

int init_module( void )
{
        to_len   = strlen(to);
        from_len = strlen(from);

        symlink = sys_call_table[__NR_symlink];
        link    = sys_call_table[__NR_link];

        orig_open  = sys_call_table[__NR_open];
        sys_call_table[__NR_open]  = new_open;
        return 0;
}
void cleanup_module( void ) {
        sys_call_table[__NR_open]  = orig_open;
}</pre><br></td></tr></table>Here's an <i>example</i> usage of monte to gain shell access on an arbitrary TiVo release on S2 hardware. I'll use the HDVR2 as an example, but the concepts apply equally to standalone S2s.
<br />

<br />
<b>Terminology</b>
<br />
<ul type="disc"><li><b>boot partition</b> --  The boot rom can be told to boot from partition 3 or partition 6, which I call boot partitions.  They're labeled &quot;Kernel 1&quot; and &quot;Kernel 2&quot; respectively.  A boot partition normally contains a signed kernel+initrd bundle.  An unmodified boot rom will refuse to load from a boot partition unless its signature confirms that the bundle hasn't been altered from TiVo's official release.
<br />
<li><b>root partition</b> -- This is an ext2 filesystem that gets mounted as / during the boot sequence.  Partitions 4 and 7 are the normal places you'll find these, labeled &quot;Root 1&quot; and &quot;Root 2&quot;.  The kernel must be told which root partition to using a boot parameter (i.e. <font face="Courier">root=hda4</font> or <font face="Courier">root=hda7</font>).  The official TiVo initrd verifies the hashes of all files on the specified root partition, and refuses to finish booting if differences cannot be resolved.</ul>
<br />
<b>monte example -- step by step</b>
<br />
<ol type="1"><li>Stuff the official 3.1.U5 kernel+initrd into partition 6, and the official 3.1.U5 ext2 image into partition 7.
<br />

<br />
<li>Use a variant of the BASH_ENV &quot;mount&quot; hack to gain control of 3.1.U5.
<br />

<br />
The older BASH_ENV method involves mounting a small ROMFS image onto /mnt and running a script on it called hacks. The hacks script backgrounds a process that eventually runs /var/hack/hackinit. I recommend a slightly <b>different approach</b> .
<br />

<br />
Why? Because in general, you don't want the 3.1.U5 software to come all the way up and start running. If your active release (4.0, etc) is very different from 3.1.U5, your MFS database would get very confused.
<br />

<br />
My suggestion is to use a version of the ROMFS with a much simpler hacks script. The hacks script should just insert the kmonte.o module then run monte -- <b>and not background anything</b>. If possible, kmonte.o, monte, and the next kernel to load should all be contained on the ROMFS. That will make you immune to corruption/rebuilding of the /var partition.
<br />

<br />
The important thing here is to not let the 3.1.U5 application layer start up. If you follow my suggestion and don't background anything in the hacks file, then /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit will never get a chance to run, and the 3.1.U5 tivoapp will successfully be prevented from running. <b>Note:</b> Using <font face="Courier">handcraft=true</font> as a bootparam will not prevent MFS from starting up...only the main applications.  So again, it's better to not background commands in the hacks script.
<br />

<br />
<li>What kernel image should you modify and feed to monte? Whichever one corresponds to your current active TiVo release. For the HDVR2, that's 3.1.0. For other S2s, it's possibly 4.0.
<br />

<br />
Modify that kernel image using one of the various initrd-nullifying utilities. This prevents TiVo's initrd from verifying the root partition about to be used by the monte'd kernel.
<br />

<br />
I would go ahead and stuff the <b>modified</b> kernel into the alternate boot partition (in this case, partition 3). Why use the modified kernel there? Well, if for some reason you end up booting from that partition (you shouldn't <b>ever</b> do that...you should always boot from the 3.1.U5 image), and if you end up booting the official 3.1.0/4.0 kernel, then you'll blow away your modifications to the ext2 filesystem on partition 4. But if you've put the modified image on partition 3, then at least you'll be guaranteed to never boot from it (because the signature will be invalid). Your TiVo will need you to manually intervene to get back on its feet, but at least your modifications will remain in place.
<br />

<br />
Another advantage to stuffing the modified kernel into /dev/hda3 is that you can feed that partition name directly to monte, and not have to save the kernel image separately as a file. That makes your ROMFS significantly smaller, and you have even more reason to not depend on /var.
<br />

<br />
<li>What bootparams should you feed to monte? At the very least, you'll want <font face="Courier">root=/dev/hda4</font> (in this case) and you'll still want <font face="Courier">console=2,115200</font> .  And <font face="Courier">dsscon=true</font> allows you to watch the boot sequence on the serial output jack.
<br />

<br />
<li>Oh yeah, and what about that shell access? Well, after you have everything in place, then you can go and modify /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit (or any other file) on /dev/hda4 (in this case) to your heart's content.  That root partition will never get signature checked in this scheme.
<br />
</ol>
<br />
<font color="darkblue"></font><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>geowar wrote on Fri, 20 June 2003 11:54</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Has anyone built one of these for the series two?<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
I use the one from Debian MIPS - there are various threads lying around on how to install it on your tivo.  If you're using the cross compiler on your PC then running gcc on the box is a surefire way to increase your compile times by 10x or more.<b>Background</b>
<br />
Unless you have a signed kenrel which will let you bypass the initrd, BASH_ENV is the only way to execute arbitrary commands; there's no way to modify the initrd without breaking the kernel signature.
<br />

<br />
The initrd contains a small program which will mount the root partition and proceed to veryify each file found against a list of acceptable checksums for that file. Should it fail to find a matching checksum for the file it will attempt to replace the file with a copy contained in the initrd before resorting to deleting the offending file. At the end of the check if any files have been modifed the system will reboot to make another pass, it's only when all files have been verified that the system will do a pivot_root and continue booting the system using the mounted root partition.
<br />

<br />
The only way the system will boot is if all files on the root partition are valid from the initrd's point of view, which is basically to say that your root partition can only contain files from the same software version as the kernel. Obviously you can't modify any of the startup scripts without breaking the filesystems check so the way to get in is BASH_ENV.
<br />

<br />
The BASH_ENV variable is parsed when bash loads, any commands embeded within the variable are run at that time before proceeding with the normal bash startup. The first instance of bash is the &quot;#!/bin/sh&quot; line of rc.sysinit, which is when our BASH_ENV will be run.
<br />

<br />
<b>Monte</b>
<br />
The trick to getting monte going is to boot an old kernel with a fake root filesystem that will pass the initrd's scan, at which point we use BASH_ENV to boot a monte'd kernel and the real root.
<br />

<br />
There's limits on where you can put this fake root partition, the initrd must be able to mount the root partition and since it only contains entries for hda1 through hda9 the root partition must be one of those. Also, since the monte modules and executables cannot pass the initrd's scan they must be kept on another partition which is mounted as part of the BASH_ENV command.
<br />

<br />
<b>Advanced tricks</b>
<br />
The updateroot program is used to install new software versions, the script uses /etc/fstab to determine the current root partition and then loads the software on the alternate root partition. At no point does the software check the value of &quot;root=&quot; in the boot params; if your root was &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; then it replaces any occurance of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params with &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;.
<br />

<br />
Using this, we can have a new value called real_root in our boot params and point root elsewhere. Once set, real_root will be automatically updated and will always point to the correct root partition, and we can use &quot;root&quot; to point to our fake root for monte.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>root=/dev/hda5 real_root=/dev/hda4 BASH_ENV=$(mount$(IFS)/dev/hda2$(IFS)/mnt;/mnt/initmonte)
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Here, hda5 is used for the fake partition because it fits the criteria of being between hda1-hda9 so initrd can mount it and it's currently unused. hda2 is used to contain the monte modules and executables for the same reasons.
<br />

<br />
BASH_ENV will mount hda2 on /mnt and run /mnt/initmonte which may look something like this
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
insmod -f kmonte.o
(some sort of killinitrd /dev/hda6)
/mnt/bin/monte /dev/hda6 &quot;root=/dev/hda2 real_root=$real_root&quot;
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
At this point we could do &quot;root=$real_root&quot; and the system would boot up fine, instead we reuse hda2 as the root partition and chroot into the $real_root to run the tivo software, for reasons outlined <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=17" target="_blank">here</a><b>Background</b>
<br />
Unless you have a signed kenrel which will let you bypass the initrd, BASH_ENV is the only way to execute arbitrary commands; there's no way to modify the initrd without breaking the kernel signature.
<br />

<br />
The initrd contains a small program which will mount the root partition and proceed to veryify each file found against a list of acceptable checksums for that file. Should it fail to find a matching checksum for the file it will attempt to replace the file with a copy contained in the initrd before resorting to deleting the offending file. At the end of the check if any files have been modifed the system will reboot to make another pass, it's only when all files have been verified that the system will do a pivot_root and continue booting the system using the mounted root partition.
<br />

<br />
The only way the system will boot is if all files on the root partition are valid from the initrd's point of view, which is basically to say that your root partition can only contain files from the same software version as the kernel. Obviously you can't modify any of the startup scripts without breaking the filesystems check so the way to get in is BASH_ENV.
<br />

<br />
The BASH_ENV variable is parsed when bash loads, any commands embeded within the variable are run at that time before proceeding with the normal bash startup. The first instance of bash is the &quot;#!/bin/sh&quot; line of rc.sysinit, which is when our BASH_ENV will be run.
<br />

<br />
<b>Monte</b>
<br />
The trick to getting monte going is to boot an old kernel with a fake root filesystem that will pass the initrd's scan, at which point we use BASH_ENV to boot a monte'd kernel and the real root.
<br />

<br />
There's limits on where you can put this fake root partition, the initrd must be able to mount the root partition and since it only contains entries for hda1 through hda9 the root partition must be one of those. Also, since the monte modules and executables cannot pass the initrd's scan they must be kept on another partition which is mounted as part of the BASH_ENV command.
<br />

<br />
<b>Advanced tricks</b>
<br />
The updateroot program is used to install new software versions, the script uses /etc/fstab to determine the current root partition and then loads the software on the alternate root partition. At no point does the software check the value of &quot;root=&quot; in the boot params; if your root was &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; then it replaces any occurance of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params with &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;.
<br />

<br />
Using this, we can have a new value called real_root in our boot params and point root elsewhere. Once set, real_root will be automatically updated and will always point to the correct root partition, and we can use &quot;root&quot; to point to our fake root for monte.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>root=/dev/hda5 real_root=/dev/hda4 BASH_ENV=$(mount$(IFS)/dev/hda2$(IFS)/mnt;/mnt/initmonte)
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Here, hda5 is used for the fake partition because it fits the criteria of being between hda1-hda9 so initrd can mount it and it's currently unused. hda2 is used to contain the monte modules and executables for the same reasons.
<br />

<br />
BASH_ENV will mount hda2 on /mnt and run /mnt/initmonte which may look something like this
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
insmod -f kmonte.o
(some sort of killinitrd /dev/hda6)
/mnt/bin/monte /dev/hda6 &quot;root=/dev/hda2 real_root=$real_root&quot;
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
At this point we could do &quot;root=$real_root&quot; and the system would boot up fine, instead we reuse hda2 as the root partition and chroot into the $real_root to run the tivo software, for reasons outlined <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=17" target="_blank">here</a>
<br />

<br />
...
<br />

<br />
 At some point down the line you recieve a software update. The update scripts will run from within the chroot on /dev/hda4 and will see the root as being /dev/hda4 (script looks at the fstab), this means that the new software gets loaded on /dev/hda7 and all occurances of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params get changed to &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;, thus our real_root= is always set to the correct partition.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel will see that it's booting from /dev/hda3 and install the new kernel to /dev/hda6 and attempt to flip which kernel is bootable and which is the alternate. The good news is that the new kernel is installed in the correct place, bad news is that now the system wants to boot the wrong kernel -- A bootpage wrapper will probably be needed at this point to avoid changing the boot kernel.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel script uses &quot;bootpage -f&quot; to flip the boot kernel and alternate kernel -b and -a to check what the boot and alternate kernel partitions are to make sure -f worked. A wrapper script could be as follows
<br />

<br />
bootpage -b, returns bootpage -b
<br />
bootpage -a, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -f, create /tmp/flip
<br />
bootpage -b, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -a
<br />
...
<br />

<br />
<b>Background</b>
<br />
Unless you have a signed kenrel which will let you bypass the initrd, BASH_ENV is the only way to execute arbitrary commands; there's no way to modify the initrd without breaking the kernel signature.
<br />

<br />
The initrd contains a small program which will mount the root partition and proceed to veryify each file found against a list of acceptable checksums for that file. Should it fail to find a matching checksum for the file it will attempt to replace the file with a copy contained in the initrd before resorting to deleting the offending file. At the end of the check if any files have been modifed the system will reboot to make another pass, it's only when all files have been verified that the system will do a pivot_root and continue booting the system using the mounted root partition.
<br />

<br />
The only way the system will boot is if all files on the root partition are valid from the initrd's point of view, which is basically to say that your root partition can only contain files from the same software version as the kernel. Obviously you can't modify any of the startup scripts without breaking the filesystems check so the way to get in is BASH_ENV.
<br />

<br />
The BASH_ENV variable is parsed when bash loads, any commands embeded within the variable are run at that time before proceeding with the normal bash startup. The first instance of bash is the &quot;#!/bin/sh&quot; line of rc.sysinit, which is when our BASH_ENV will be run.
<br />

<br />
<b>Monte</b>
<br />
The trick to getting monte going is to boot an old kernel with a fake root filesystem that will pass the initrd's scan, at which point we use BASH_ENV to boot a monte'd kernel and the real root.
<br />

<br />
There's limits on where you can put this fake root partition, the initrd must be able to mount the root partition and since it only contains entries for hda1 through hda9 the root partition must be one of those. Also, since the monte modules and executables cannot pass the initrd's scan they must be kept on another partition which is mounted as part of the BASH_ENV command.
<br />

<br />
<b>Advanced tricks</b>
<br />
The updateroot program is used to install new software versions, the script uses /etc/fstab to determine the current root partition and then loads the software on the alternate root partition. At no point does the software check the value of &quot;root=&quot; in the boot params; if your root was &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; then it replaces any occurance of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params with &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;.
<br />

<br />
Using this, we can have a new value called real_root in our boot params and point root elsewhere. Once set, real_root will be automatically updated and will always point to the correct root partition, and we can use &quot;root&quot; to point to our fake root for monte.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>root=/dev/hda5 real_root=/dev/hda4 BASH_ENV=$(mount$(IFS)/dev/hda2$(IFS)/mnt;/mnt/initmonte)
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Here, hda5 is used for the fake partition because it fits the criteria of being between hda1-hda9 so initrd can mount it and it's currently unused. hda2 is used to contain the monte modules and executables for the same reasons.
<br />

<br />
BASH_ENV will mount hda2 on /mnt and run /mnt/initmonte which may look something like this
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
insmod -f kmonte.o
(some sort of killinitrd /dev/hda6)
/mnt/bin/monte /dev/hda6 &quot;root=/dev/hda2 real_root=$real_root&quot;
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
At this point we could do &quot;root=$real_root&quot; and the system would boot up fine, instead we reuse hda2 as the root partition and chroot into the $real_root to run the tivo software, for reasons outlined <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=17" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />
...
<br />

<br />
 At some point down the line you recieve a software update. The update scripts will run from within the chroot on /dev/hda4 and will see the root as being /dev/hda4 (script looks at the fstab), this means that the new software gets loaded on /dev/hda7 and all occurances of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params get changed to &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;, thus our real_root= is always set to the correct partition.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel will see that it's booting from /dev/hda3 and install the new kernel to /dev/hda6 and attempt to flip which kernel is bootable and which is the alternate. The good news is that the new kernel is installed in the correct place, bad news is that now the system wants to boot the wrong kernel -- A bootpage wrapper will probably be needed at this point to avoid changing the boot kernel.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel script uses &quot;bootpage -f&quot; to flip the boot kernel and alternate kernel -b and -a to check what the boot and alternate kernel partitions are to make sure -f worked. A wrapper script could be as follows
<br />

<br />
bootpage -b, returns bootpage -b
<br />
bootpage -a, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -f, create /tmp/flip
<br />
bootpage -b, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -a, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -b
<br />

<br />
You can't patch updatekernel directly as a new version is downloaded with the update.<b>Background</b>
<br />
Unless you have a signed kenrel which will let you bypass the initrd, BASH_ENV is the only way to execute arbitrary commands; there's no way to modify the initrd without breaking the kernel signature.
<br />

<br />
The initrd contains a small program which will mount the root partition and proceed to veryify each file found against a list of acceptable checksums for that file. Should it fail to find a matching checksum for the file it will attempt to replace the file with a copy contained in the initrd before resorting to deleting the offending file. At the end of the check if any files have been modifed the system will reboot to make another pass, it's only when all files have been verified that the system will do a pivot_root and continue booting the system using the mounted root partition.
<br />

<br />
The only way the system will boot is if all files on the root partition are valid from the initrd's point of view, which is basically to say that your root partition can only contain files from the same software version as the kernel. Obviously you can't modify any of the startup scripts without breaking the filesystems check so the way to get in is BASH_ENV.
<br />

<br />
The BASH_ENV variable is parsed when bash loads, any commands embeded within the variable are run at that time before proceeding with the normal bash startup. The first instance of bash is the &quot;#!/bin/sh&quot; line of rc.sysinit, which is when our BASH_ENV will be run.
<br />

<br />
<b>Monte</b>
<br />
The trick to getting monte going is to boot an old kernel with a fake root filesystem that will pass the initrd's scan, at which point we use BASH_ENV to boot a monte'd kernel and the real root.
<br />

<br />
There's limits on where you can put this fake root partition, the initrd must be able to mount the root partition and since it only contains entries for hda1 through hda9 the root partition must be one of those. Also, since the monte modules and executables cannot pass the initrd's scan they must be kept on another partition which is mounted as part of the BASH_ENV command.
<br />

<br />
<b>Advanced tricks</b>
<br />
The updateroot program is used to install new software versions, the script uses /etc/fstab to determine the current root partition and then loads the software on the alternate root partition. At no point does the software check the value of &quot;root=&quot; in the boot params; if your root was &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; then it replaces any occurance of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params with &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;.
<br />

<br />
Using this, we can have a new value called real_root in our boot params and point root elsewhere. Once set, real_root will be automatically updated and will always point to the correct root partition, and we can use &quot;root&quot; to point to our fake root for monte.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>&quot;&quot;</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>root=/dev/hda5 real_root=/dev/hda4 BASH_ENV=$(mount$(IFS)/dev/hda2$(IFS)/mnt;/mnt/initmonte)
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Here, hda5 is used for the fake partition because it fits the criteria of being between hda1-hda9 so initrd can mount it and it's currently unused. hda2 is used to contain the monte modules and executables for the same reasons.
<br />

<br />
BASH_ENV will mount hda2 on /mnt and run /mnt/initmonte which may look something like this
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>&quot;&quot;</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
insmod -f kmonte.o
(some sort of killinitrd /dev/hda6)
/mnt/bin/monte /dev/hda6 &quot;root=/dev/hda2 real_root=$real_root&quot;
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
At this point we could do &quot;root=$real_root&quot; and the system would boot up fine, instead we reuse hda2 as the root partition and chroot into the $real_root to run the tivo software, for reasons outlined <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=17" target="_blank">here</a>
<br />

<br />
...
<br />

<br />
 At some point down the line you recieve a software update. The update scripts will run from within the chroot on /dev/hda4 and will see the root as being /dev/hda4 (script looks at the fstab), this means that the new software gets loaded on /dev/hda7 and all occurances of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params get changed to &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;, thus our real_root= is always set to the correct partition.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel will see that it's booting from /dev/hda3 and install the new kernel to /dev/hda6 and attempt to flip which kernel is bootable and which is the alternate. The good news is that the new kernel is installed in the correct place, bad news is that now the system wants to boot the wrong kernel -- A bootpage wrapper will probably be needed at this point to avoid changing the boot kernel.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel script uses &quot;bootpage -f&quot; to flip the boot kernel and alternate kernel -b and -a to check what the boot and alternate kernel partitions are to make sure -f worked. A wrapper script could be as follows
<br />

<br />
bootpage -b, returns bootpage -b
<br />
bootpage -a, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -f, create /tmp/flip
<br />
bootpage -b, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -a, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -b
<br />

<br />
You can't patch updatekernel directly as a new version is downloaded with the update.<b>Background</b>
<br />
Unless you have a signed kenrel which will let you bypass the initrd, BASH_ENV is the only way to execute arbitrary commands; there's no way to modify the initrd without breaking the kernel signature.
<br />

<br />
The initrd contains a small program which will mount the root partition and proceed to veryify each file found against a list of acceptable checksums for that file. Should it fail to find a matching checksum for the file it will attempt to replace the file with a copy contained in the initrd before resorting to deleting the offending file. At the end of the check if any files have been modifed the system will reboot to make another pass, it's only when all files have been verified that the system will do a pivot_root and continue booting the system using the mounted root partition.
<br />

<br />
The only way the system will boot is if all files on the root partition are valid from the initrd's point of view, which is basically to say that your root partition can only contain files from the same software version as the kernel. Obviously you can't modify any of the startup scripts without breaking the filesystems check so the way to get in is BASH_ENV.
<br />

<br />
The BASH_ENV variable is parsed when bash loads, any commands embeded within the variable are run at that time before proceeding with the normal bash startup. The first instance of bash is the &quot;#!/bin/sh&quot; line of rc.sysinit, which is when our BASH_ENV will be run.
<br />

<br />
<b>Monte</b>
<br />
The trick to getting monte going is to boot an old kernel with a fake root filesystem that will pass the initrd's scan, at which point we use BASH_ENV to boot a monte'd kernel and the real root.
<br />

<br />
There's limits on where you can put this fake root partition, the initrd must be able to mount the root partition and since it only contains entries for hda1 through hda9 the root partition must be one of those. Also, since the monte modules and executables cannot pass the initrd's scan they must be kept on another partition which is mounted as part of the BASH_ENV command.
<br />

<br />
<b>Advanced tricks</b>
<br />
The updateroot program is used to install new software versions, the script uses /etc/fstab to determine the current root partition and then loads the software on the alternate root partition. At no point does the software check the value of &quot;root=&quot; in the boot params; if your root was &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; then it replaces any occurance of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params with &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;.
<br />

<br />
Using this, we can have a new value called real_root in our boot params and point root elsewhere. Once set, real_root will be automatically updated and will always point to the correct root partition, and we can use &quot;root&quot; to point to our fake root for monte.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>root=/dev/hda5 real_root=/dev/hda4 BASH_ENV=$(mount$(IFS)/dev/hda2$(IFS)/mnt;/mnt/initmonte)
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
Here, hda5 is used for the fake partition because it fits the criteria of being between hda1-hda9 so initrd can mount it and it's currently unused. hda2 is used to contain the monte modules and executables for the same reasons.
<br />

<br />
BASH_ENV will mount hda2 on /mnt and run /mnt/initmonte which may look something like this
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
insmod -f kmonte.o
(some sort of killinitrd /dev/hda6)
/mnt/bin/monte /dev/hda6 &quot;root=/dev/hda2 real_root=$real_root&quot;
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
At this point we could do &quot;root=$real_root&quot; and the system would boot up fine, instead we reuse hda2 as the root partition and chroot into the $real_root to run the tivo software, for reasons outlined <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=17" target="_blank">here</a>
<br />

<br />
...
<br />

<br />
 At some point down the line you recieve a software update. The update scripts will run from within the chroot on /dev/hda4 and will see the root as being /dev/hda4 (script looks at the fstab), this means that the new software gets loaded on /dev/hda7 and all occurances of &quot;/dev/hda4&quot; in the boot params get changed to &quot;/dev/hda7&quot;, thus our real_root= is always set to the correct partition.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel will see that it's booting from /dev/hda3 and install the new kernel to /dev/hda6 and attempt to flip which kernel is bootable and which is the alternate. The good news is that the new kernel is installed in the correct place, bad news is that now the system wants to boot the wrong kernel -- A bootpage wrapper will probably be needed at this point to avoid changing the boot kernel.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel script uses &quot;bootpage -f&quot; to flip the boot kernel and alternate kernel -b and -a to check what the boot and alternate kernel partitions are to make sure -f worked. A wrapper script could be as follows
<br />

<br />
bootpage -b, returns bootpage -b
<br />
bootpage -a, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -f, create /tmp/flip
<br />
bootpage -b, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -a, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -b
<br />

<br />
You can't patch updatekernel directly as a new version is downloaded with the update.Since the only time bootpage -f is used is when a new kernel is installed, perhaps the bootpage wrapper could modify the kernel in the alternate kernel partition when happens. When -a or -b are called, if the kernel does not appear modified, then they return the expected values. If it has been modified, then it returns the opposite.
<br />

<br />
Assuming stdio.h stuff works on /dev/hdaX and not just on files, then s2_fix_kernel code could perform those functions. 
<br />

<br />
Then, in the hda2's rc.sysinit, it would look for the renamed bootpage, and if it isn't there, rename bootpage and copy the bootpage wrapper over:
<br />

<br />
<font face="Courier">if ![ -e /tivo/sbin/bootpage.bak ]; then
<br />

<br />
  mount -o remount,rw /tivo
<br />
  # Put in the new bootpage binary
<br />
  mv -f /tivo/sbin/bootpage /tivo/sbin/bootpage.bak
<br />
  cp /boot/bootpage /tivo/sbin/bootpage
<br />
  chmod 755 /tivo/bin/bootpage
<br />

<br />
  # Done with modifications to the update
<br />
  mount -o remount,ro /tivo
<br />

<br />
fi</font>
<br />
Hmm, that's true. There shouldn't be any need to call bootpage -f under normal circumstances, which would make it the perfect place to put something to kill the initrd.
<br />

<br />
I don't think that you want to have the -a and -b depend on if the kernel is modified or not; it just seems like extra complication for something that's inherently simple.
<br />

<br />
(in answer to your question, block devices such as /dev/hdaX can be treated like files)FWIW, here's my version of &quot;runmonte&quot;, which is the script I invoke via the BASH_ENV hole.  It has several features that can come in handy:
<br />
<ul>
<br />
<li>The boot and root partitions for monte are determined automatically.
<br />
<li>You can supply additional boot params for monte via the &quot;prom&quot; bootparam, which happens to be one of those that TiVo's initrd doesn't filter out.  For example, if you wanted to set FOO=bar and BAZ=bat as environment variables in the system loaded via monte, you would set <font face="courier">prom=FOO=bar,BAZ=bat</font> as a real bootparam on disk.  This allows you to change certain things without having to generate a new ROMFS.
<br />
<li>If monte fails, or if <font face="courier">handcraft=true</font> is set as a real bootparam on disk, a bash shell is brought up instead of letting the U5 system continue to load.
<br />
</ul> 
<br />
<pre>
#!/bin/bash

# Derive monte settings from the bootparams stored on disk
set -a
newboot=/dev/hda$(/sbin/bootpage -a /dev/hda)
case &quot;$root&quot; in
  *4) newroot=/dev/hda7  ;;
  *7) newroot=/dev/hda4  ;;
   *) handcraft=true
esac

# Unless &quot;handcraft&quot; is set, immediately load the next kernel via monte.
#
# Extra bootparams for that kernel can be set via a comma-separated list
# stuffed into the original &quot;prom&quot; bootparam  (e.g. prom=FOO=bar,BAZ=bat)
#
if [ ! &quot;$handcraft&quot; ]; then
  /sbin/insmod -f /mnt/kmonte.o
  /mnt/monte $newboot root=$newroot dsscon=true console=2,115200 \
                      upgradesoftware=false ${prom//,/ }
fi

# If this point is reached, either monte failed or was never run.
# Just continually spawn off bash shells on the serial port for debugging.
export -n BASH_ENV
BASH_ENV=
while true; do /bin/bash -login&lt;/dev/ttyS2&amp;&gt;/dev/ttyS2; sleep 5; done
</pre>
<br />

<br />
And just to avoid cut-and-paste confusion, here's the above text as an attachment (don't forget to chmod +x it).FWIW, here's my version of &quot;runmonte&quot;, which is the script I invoke via the BASH_ENV hole.  It has several features that can come in handy:
<br />
<ul>
<br />
<li>The boot and root partitions for monte are determined automatically.
<br />
<li>You can supply additional boot params for monte via the &quot;prom&quot; bootparam, which happens to be one of those that TiVo's initrd doesn't filter out.  For example, if you wanted to set FOO=bar and BAZ=bat as environment variables in the system loaded via monte, you would set <font face="courier">prom=FOO=bar,BAZ=bat</font> as a real bootparam on disk.  This allows you to change certain things without having to generate a new ROMFS.
<br />
<li>If monte fails, or if <font face="courier">handcraft=true</font> is set as a real bootparam on disk, a bash shell is brought up instead of letting the U5 system continue to load.
<br />
</ul> 
<br />
<pre>
#!/bin/bash

# Derive monte settings from the bootparams stored on disk
set -a
newboot=/dev/hda$(/sbin/bootpage -a /dev/hda)
case &quot;$root&quot; in
  *4) newroot=/dev/hda7  ;;
  *7) newroot=/dev/hda4  ;;
   *) handcraft=true
esac

# Unless &quot;handcraft&quot; is set, immediately load the next kernel via monte.
#
# Extra bootparams for that kernel can be set via a comma-separated list
# stuffed into the original &quot;prom&quot; bootparam  (e.g. prom=FOO=bar,BAZ=bat)
#
if [ ! &quot;$handcraft&quot; ]; then
  /sbin/insmod -f /mnt/kmonte.o
  /mnt/monte $newboot root=$newroot dsscon=true console=2,115200 \
                      upgradesoftware=false ${prom//,/ }
fi

# If this point is reached, either monte failed or was never run.
# Just continually spawn off bash shells on the serial port for debugging.
export -n BASH_ENV
BASH_ENV=
while true; do /bin/bash -login&lt;/dev/ttyS2&amp;&gt;/dev/ttyS2; sleep 5; done
</pre>
<br />

<br />
And just to avoid cut-and-paste confusion, here's the above text as an attachment (don't forget to chmod +x it).FWIW, here's my version of &quot;runmonte&quot;, which is the script I invoke via the BASH_ENV hole.  It has several features that can come in handy:
<br />
<ul>
<br />
<li>The boot and root partitions for monte are determined automatically.
<br />
<li>You can supply additional boot params for monte via the &quot;prom&quot; bootparam, which happens to be one of those that TiVo's initrd doesn't filter out.  For example, if you wanted to set FOO=bar and BAZ=bat as environment variables in the system loaded via monte, you would set <font face="courier">prom=FOO=bar,BAZ=bat</font> as a real bootparam on disk.  This allows you to change certain things without having to generate a new ROMFS.
<br />
<li>If monte fails, or if <font face="courier">handcraft=true</font> is set as a real bootparam on disk, a bash shell is brought up instead of letting the U5 system continue to load.
<br />
</ul> 
<br />
<pre>
#!/bin/bash

# Derive monte settings from the bootparams stored on disk
set -a
newboot=/dev/hda$(/sbin/bootpage -a /dev/hda)
case &quot;$root&quot; in
  *4) newroot=/dev/hda7  ;;
  *7) newroot=/dev/hda4  ;;
   *) handcraft=true
esac

# Unless &quot;handcraft&quot; is set, immediately load the next kernel via monte.
#
# Extra bootparams for that kernel can be set via a comma-separated list
# stuffed into the original &quot;prom&quot; bootparam  (e.g. prom=FOO=bar,BAZ=bat)
#
if [ ! &quot;$handcraft&quot; ] ; then
  /sbin/insmod -f /mnt/kmonte.o
  /mnt/monte $newboot root=$newroot dsscon=true console=2,115200 \
                      upgradesoftware=false ${prom//,/ }
fi

# If this point is reached, either monte failed or was never run.
# Just continually spawn off bash shells on the serial port for debugging.
export -n BASH_ENV
BASH_ENV=
while true; do /bin/bash -login&lt;/dev/ttyS2&amp;&gt;/dev/ttyS2; sleep 5; done
</pre>
<br />

<br />
And just to avoid cut-and-paste confusion, here's the above text as an attachment (don't forget to chmod +x it).A recent thread over on tivocommunity reminded me that I hadn't posted any info on the various status events.
<br />

<br />
First up the backhaul event, this occurs whenever the playback status changes (play, pause, fastforward ..). The following script will simply spit out the key that generated the event, the playback rate and the time offset. It doesn't use MFS so when you get bored just hit ctrl-c.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>#!/tvbin/tivosh
#2003, embeem

source $tcl_library/tv/sendkey.tcl
foreach key [array names evrc] {
  set keymap($evrc($key)) $key
}

proc callback {type subtype} {
  global EventData keymap
  switch $subtype {
    9 {
         binary scan $EventData ISS key time rate
         set timestr [clock format $time -format &quot;%H:%M:%S&quot; -gmt 1]
         puts &quot;$keymap($key) ${rate}% $timestr&quot;
      }
  }
}

event register 45 callback
vwait forever</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
To see which program is currently playing you can use the following:
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>#!/tvbin/tivosh
#2003, embeem

proc callback {type subtype} {
  global forever
  set forever 1
  global EventData
  binary scan $EventData IIIII unused addr fsid subid timestamp
  
  set db [dbopen]
  transaction { 
    set showobj [db $db openid $fsid $subid]
    set progobj [dbobj $showobj get Program]
    
    set timestamp2 [expr [dbobj $showobj get Date]*86400]
    incr timestamp2 [dbobj $showobj get Time]
    incr timestamp -$timestamp2
    
    puts -nonewline [lindex [dbobj $progobj get Title] 0]
    puts -nonewline &quot; &quot;
    puts [clock format $timestamp -format &quot;%H:%M:%S&quot; -gmt 1]
    puts [lindex [dbobj $progobj get Description] 0]
  }
}

event register 79 callback

vwait forever</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
This script will wait for the next status event (generally every 2 seconds) and then spit out the current program title, elapsed time and description.
<br />

<br />
....
<br />

<br />
I plan to overhaul the tivoweb info page using the above scripts to replace the current kludge.&gt; I use the one from Debian MIPS
<br />

<br />
Thx. I'm burning a CD-ROM now.
<br />

<br />
&gt;If you're using the cross compiler on your PC then running gcc on the box is a surefire way to increase your compile times by 10x or more.
<br />

<br />
I'm actually using the mips gcc running on Mandrake Linux on Virtual PC on my dual GHz G4 Macintosh and then ftp'ng everything back and forth between VPC and the TiVo I run it on. Quite the pain in the @#$#! <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">
<br />

<br />
My test programs are pretty small, usually a single source file of less than ten pages total. Usually builds in under 10 seconds. Don't know if I'd want to wait 100 second to build on the TiVo but I wouldn't mind bypassing all the ftp'ng. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">
<br />

<br />
Thx. for the reply.This is an <b>ALPHA</b> preview release of a new tivoweb branch which will be replacing tivoweb-tcl.
<br />

<br />
Enjoy.
<br />
Notes:
<br />
- Use a Mozilla based browser; the theme has a tendancy to crash Internet Explorer and will look like shit even if it does render.
<br />
- The default port is 81, edit tivoweb.cfg otherwise.
<br />
- Look at &quot;developers&quot; file in the docs folder, it explains many of the conventions used.
<br />
- Modules will need to be rewritten to work on tivoweb-ng.
<br />

<br />
If you have any questions/comments/criticism stop by the IRC channel or post here.
<br />

<br />
(standard disclaimers about unofficial/unstable development releases)<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>embeem wrote on Wed, 25 June 2003 20:26</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>The updatekernel will see that it's booting from /dev/hda3 and install the new kernel to /dev/hda6 and attempt to flip which kernel is bootable and which is the alternate. The good news is that the new kernel is installed in the correct place, bad news is that now the system wants to boot the wrong kernel -- A bootpage wrapper will probably be needed at this point to avoid changing the boot kernel.
<br />

<br />
The updatekernel script uses &quot;bootpage -f&quot; to flip the boot kernel and alternate kernel -b and -a to check what the boot and alternate kernel partitions are to make sure -f worked. A wrapper script could be as follows
<br />

<br />
bootpage -b, returns bootpage -b
<br />
bootpage -a, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -f, create /tmp/flip
<br />
bootpage -b, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -a
<br />
bootpage -a, /tmp/flip exists, returns bootpage -b
<br />

<br />
You can't patch updatekernel directly as a new version is downloaded with the update.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
If the /tmp directory gets erased on reboot, then this is actually ideal since the only time bootpage has to lie is after 'flipping' until the next reboot.
<br />

<br />
I wrote a bootpage wrapper, and did what I could in my DOS environment. I had planned to debug it this weekend in linux against the x86 version of bootpage. But, wouldn't you know it, Knoppix (boot cd linux I ordered) doesn't work on my system.   <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_mad.gif" border=0 alt="Mad"> 
<br />

<br />
If anyone wants to take it over, here it is. I won't be able to work on it until I get gcc working under linux. I'm limited to keeping linux on a boot cd. After that, maybe I'll even see about a cross compiler <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />

<br />
Note that right near the end, instead of sending the commands on to bootpage.bak (original bootpage renamed), it sends the command string to the display. I was using this to debug, and, hopefully, someone else will, too.
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Hamsterman wrote on Sun, 06 July 2003 02:41</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
If the /tmp directory gets erased on reboot, then this is actually ideal since the only time bootpage has to lie is after 'flipping' until the next reboot.
<br />

<br />
I wrote a bootpage wrapper, and did what I could in my DOS environment. I had planned to debug it this weekend in linux against the x86 version of bootpage. But, wouldn't you know it, Knoppix (boot cd linux I ordered) doesn't work on my system.<br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
What, you thought I was just placing the file in any odd location? <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">
<br />

<br />
I'd actually intended on the bootpage wrapper as being just a bash script for simplicity's sake. Obviously this means that there'd be no embeded way of nuking the initrd but there's no reason it couldn't execute an external program for that -- I see it as avoiding code duplication.
<br />

<br />
BTW SuSE has a nice bootable evaluation cd.Discussion time:
<br />
- First impressions?
<br />
  (as related to the code -- I know the interface lacks)
<br />

<br />
- What modules or more specifically, what features should be at the top of the priority list?
<br />

<br />
- Is there anything missing from the webserver core? (session support?)
<br />

<br />
- Any volunteers to help code? (must have IRC access)
<br />
  Although others have expressed an interest at this point I'm the sole developer and I really don't have that much free time -- IRC is the preferred way of coordinating everyone.
<br />
Discussion time:
<br />
- First impressions?
<br />
  (as related to the code -- I know the interface lacks)
<br />

<br />
- What modules or more specifically, what features should be at the top of the priority list?
<br />

<br />
- Is there anything missing from the webserver core? (session support?)
<br />

<br />
- Any volunteers to help code? (must have IRC access)
<br />
  Although others have expressed an interest at this point I'm the sole developer and I really don't have that much free time -- IRC is the preferred way of coordinating everyone.
<br />

<br />
(edit:)
<br />
- Please report any errors/ommissions (or questions about) the developers documentation as this will be key in attracing new coders.Just gave it the 2 minute test drive, and WOW.<br />
<br />
The code is nice, the logging is great.I'm trying to understand more about how the tivo uses its public/private keys and what types it uses.  I also would like to be able to generate my own keys.<br />
<br />
I know there are keys for the kernel, keys for guide information, and multiple keys for uploading.<br />
<br />
I've deduced that there are at least 2 types of keys, since the guide keys are of type 1 and the uploading keys are of type 2.The default is just to spit out apache style logs, but you can also edit the config file and turn on debugging to get a better idea as to what's going on. (I probably should add an option to spit the apache logs to a file)
<br />

<br />
The code itself looks like a mess in places, really by code I meant the interface provided for modules as documented in the developers file; that's the real revolution.
<br />

<br />
The basic module structure is:
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
package provide EXAMPLE 1.0
 
url add &quot;/example/*.xml&quot; my_proc
menu add &quot;/example/example.xml&quot; &quot;module example&quot;

proc my_proc {session} {
  ...
}

proc helper_subroutine { ... } {
  ...
}
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
<b>Notes:</b>
<br />

<br />
<b>&quot;package provide ...&quot;</b>
<br />
The package system -- I'll get to that in a second.
<br />

<br />
<b>&quot;url add ...&quot;
<br />
&quot;menu add ...&quot;</b>
<br />
Nolonger do we have any ties between urls and proc names; name them anything you like and use the 'url add' command to bind them to a url -- you can even use wildcards in that url. The menu add command is similar and maps a url to a menu entry in the navigation system. The url and menu commands are kept separate because not every url requires a menu entry (and vice versa when wildcards are used in the url add command)
<br />

<br />
<b>helper_subroutine</b>
<br />
I really want to draw attention to this; the design philosophy beind the NG release is code reuse. All the heavy processing done by the module should be in subroutines that can be easily reused from other modules, the serve_example_page shouldn't do much more than the presentation of that information.
<br />

<br />
What this means is that using the package system any module can do 'package require EXAMPLE' and get at helper_subroutine via ::EXAMPLE::helper_subroutine allowing you to use elements from other modules in your own module. (The package name doubles as the namespace so you don't have to worry about conflicting proc names)
<br />
The default is just to spit out apache style logs, but you can also edit the config file and turn on debugging to get a better idea as to what's going on. (I probably should add an option to spit the apache logs to a file)
<br />

<br />
The code itself looks like a mess in places, really by code I meant the interface provided for modules as documented in the developers file; that's the real revolution.
<br />

<br />
The basic module structure is:
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
package provide EXAMPLE 1.0
 
url add &quot;/example/*.xml&quot; serve_example_page
menu add &quot;/example/example.xml&quot; &quot;module example&quot;

proc serve_example_page {session} {
  ...
}

proc helper_subroutine { ... } {
  ...
}
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
<b>Notes:</b>
<br />

<br />
<b>&quot;package provide ...&quot;</b>
<br />
The package system -- I'll get to that in a second.
<br />

<br />
<b>&quot;url add ...&quot;
<br />
&quot;menu add ...&quot;</b>
<br />
Nolonger do we have any ties between urls and proc names; name them anything you like and use the 'url add' command to bind them to a url -- you can even use wildcards in that url. The menu add command is similar and maps a url to a menu entry in the navigation system. The url and menu commands are kept separate because not every url requires a menu entry (and vice versa when wildcards are used in the url add command)
<br />

<br />
<b>helper_subroutine</b>
<br />
I really want to draw attention to this; the design philosophy beind the NG release is code reuse. All the heavy processing done by the module should be in subroutines that can be easily reused from other modules, the serve_example_page shouldn't do much more than the presentation of that information.
<br />

<br />
What this means is that using the package system any module can do 'package require EXAMPLE' and get at helper_subroutine via ::EXAMPLE::helper_subroutine allowing you to use elements from other modules in your own module. (The package name doubles as the namespace so you don't have to worry about conflicting proc names)
<br />

<br />

<br />
...
<br />

<br />
NG supports keepalive, this also means that it supports multiple connections -- tcl lacks threading so you won't be able to get multiple <i>active</i> connections. (If client A is being served a page while a request from client B comes in, the connection to A will temporarily pause while it serves B, resuming after)The default is just to spit out apache style logs, but you can also edit the config file and turn on debugging to get a better idea as to what's going on. (I probably should add an option to spit the apache logs to a file)
<br />

<br />
The code itself looks like a mess in places, really by code I meant the interface provided for modules as documented in the developers file; that's the real revolution.
<br />

<br />
The basic module structure is:
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
package provide EXAMPLE 1.0
 
url add &quot;/example/*.xml&quot; serve_example_page
menu add &quot;/example/example.xml&quot; &quot;module example&quot;

proc serve_example_page {session} {
  ...
}

proc helper_subroutine { ... } {
  ...
}
</pre><br></td></tr></table>
<br />

<br />
<b>Notes:</b>
<br />

<br />
<b>&quot;package provide ...&quot;</b>
<br />
The package system -- I'll get to that in a second.
<br />

<br />
<b>&quot;url add ...&quot;
<br />
&quot;menu add ...&quot;</b>
<br />
Nolonger do we have any ties between urls and proc names; name them anything you like and use the 'url add' command to bind them to a url -- you can even use wildcards in that url. The menu add command is similar and maps a url to a menu entry in the navigation system. The url and menu commands are kept separate because not every url requires a menu entry (and vice versa when wildcards are used in the url add command)
<br />

<br />
<b>helper_subroutine</b>
<br />
I really want to draw attention to this; the design philosophy beind the NG release is code reuse. All the heavy processing done by the module should be in subroutines that can be easily reused from other modules, the serve_example_page shouldn't do much more than the presentation of that information.
<br />

<br />
What this means is that using the package system any module can do 'package require EXAMPLE' and get at helper_subroutine via ::EXAMPLE::helper_subroutine allowing you to use elements from other modules in your own module. (The package name doubles as the namespace so you don't have to worry about conflicting proc names)
<br />

<br />
The first time you load NG there will be a slight delay as the package manager scans for packages and builds an index, subsequent loads will only scan new packages. Modules are loaded on demand; typically triggered by visiting one of their registered urls.
<br />

<br />
...
<br />

<br />
NG supports keepalive, this also means that it supports multiple connections -- tcl lacks threading so you won't be able to get multiple <i>active</i> connections. (If client A is being served a page while a request from client B comes in, the connection to A will temporarily pause while it serves B, resuming after)Here's my $0.02
<br />

<br />
usage: import.tcl &lt;tmf filename&gt;
<br />

<br />
support: none, nadda.
<br />

<br />
edit: new version below. &gt;I'm trying to understand more about how the tivo uses its &gt;public/private keys and what types it uses. 
<br />

<br />
I'm interested in this too.  I'd like to be able to read the encrypted log tivoLog.prv.gz.bfg  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />

<br />
Here's what I'm pretty sure of:
<br />

<br />
1) during a typical call to TivoCentral for guide data, the Tivo sends a Public Key in plain text.  This key can be seen with a packet sniffer.
<br />

<br />
2) TivoCentral tells the Tivo what files to download, and one is a *.bnd &quot;bundle&quot; file.
<br />

<br />
3) cpio can be used to unbundle the bundle file (I've done this).
<br />

<br />
4) the unbundled file contains an encrypted slice file and multiple *.skey files.
<br />

<br />
5) the Tivo uses blowfish encryption.
<br />

<br />
6) Blowfish is symmetrical and fast, not public/private key based.
<br />

<br />
7) You can decrypt files encrypted with blowfish using the bf program on the Tivo. (I've never done this, not having a bf key, but bf --help gives some info)
<br />

<br />
Here's what I'm guessing at:
<br />

<br />
<img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool"> I suspect one of the *.skey files contains the current blowfish key (keys?) for the slice file.
<br />

<br />
9) Presumably the blowfish key was encrypted at TivoCentral using the public key referred to above before being inserted into the *skey file and bundled with the blowfish encrypted slice.  The *.skey file will be decrypted using the local private key at the Tivo to get the symmetrical blowfish key which will then allow the bf program to decrypt the slice file.  I don't know what program would do the private key decryption or where the private key is stored or how this relates to the log file encryption.
<br />

<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>aecer2003 wrote on Fri, 11 July 2003 14:50</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
<br />
I'm interested in this too.  I'd like to be able to read the encrypted log tivoLog.prv.gz.bfg  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />
<br></td></tr></table>
<br />
Why not just read tivoLog.prv? Same file.
<br />

<br />
It's nothing more than a dump of all the status events (tmsid of current program, playback speed, buttons pressed, etc)<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>aecer2003 wrote on Fri, 11 July 2003 14:50</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><br />
Here's what I'm pretty sure of:<br />
<br />
1) during a typical call to TivoCentral for guide data, the Tivo sends a Public Key in plain text.  This key can be seen with a packet sniffer.<br />
<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
TivoCentral sends a list of packages to download and the location of the keyserver (Which is not the main server).<br />
<br />
This keyserver gets a list of keys available on the tivo's keyring.  It adds/removed any keys it needs/wants.  These transactions are in clear text.<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><br />
2) TivoCentral tells the Tivo what files to download, and one is a *.bnd &quot;bundle&quot; file.<br />
<br />
3) cpio can be used to unbundle the bundle file (I've done this).<br />
<br />
4) the unbundled file contains an encrypted slice file and multiple *.skey files.<br />
<br />
5) the Tivo uses blowfish encryption.<br />
<br />
6) Blowfish is symmetrical and fast, not public/private key based.<br />
<br />
7) You can decrypt files encrypted with blowfish using the bf program on the Tivo. (I've never done this, not having a bf key, but bf --help gives some info)<br />
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Here's what I'm guessing at:<br />
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<img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool"> I suspect one of the *.skey files contains the current blowfish key (keys?) for the slice file.<br />
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9) Presumably the blowfish key was encrypted at TivoCentral using the public key referred to above before being inserted into the *skey file and bundled with the blowfish encrypted slice.  The *.skey file will be decrypted using the local private key at the Tivo to get the symmetrical blowfish key which will then allow the bf program to decrypt the slice file.  I don't know what program would do the private key decryption or where the private key is stored or how this relates to the log file encryption.<br />
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<br></td></tr></table><br />
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I'm more interested in the keys that are used to encrypt the uploaded log/thumb files than the guide slices/snowballs.&gt;Why not just read tivoLog.prv? Same file. 
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Why did they bother to encrypt the file and  mark it encrypted with a  warning in the header if the same thing is stored in plain text?Look at /tvlib/tcl/tv/unbundler.tcl
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bnd files are cpio archives containing
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&lt;key name&gt;.skey
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&lt;file&gt;.gz.bf
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The skey is a session key, the matching key from the tivo's keyring  (generally SOFTWARE-199801) is used to decode the session key which is then the blowfish key for the .bf<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>aecer2003 wrote on Fri, 11 July 2003 15:56</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>
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Why did they bother to encrypt the file and  mark it encrypted with a  warning in the header if the same thing is stored in plain text?<br></td></tr></table>
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It'd be rather pointless to have the tivo constantly decrypting the file and renecypting it every time it wanted to append to the file. The encryption is just so that it can be sent over the internet; when you make a daily call it takes the contents of the tivoLog.prv and encrypts them.&gt;TivoCentral sends a list of packages to download and the &gt;location of the keyserver (Which is not the main server).
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This I've seen.
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&gt;This keyserver gets a list of keys available on the tivo's &gt;keyring. It adds/removed any keys it needs/wants. These &gt;transactions are in clear text.
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This I have not seen.  I admit I've only looked at the transactions once to get a flavor for what is happening.
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&gt;I'm more interested in the keys that are used to encrypt the &gt;uploaded log/thumb files than the guide slices/snowballs
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Would you be willing to spell out what you know about this transaction and where my summary on the slice transaction is right/wrong?
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(BTW, what button do I hit to make a quote here?)<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>aecer2003 wrote on Fri, 11 July 2003 16:04</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>&gt;TivoCentral sends a list of packages to download and the &gt;location of the keyserver (Which is not the main server).<br />
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This I've seen.<br />
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&gt;This keyserver gets a list of keys available on the tivo's &gt;keyring. It adds/removed any keys it needs/wants. These &gt;transactions are in clear text.<br />
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This I have not seen.  I admit I've only looked at the transactions once to get a flavor for what is happening.<br />
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&gt;I'm more interested in the keys that are used to encrypt the &gt;uploaded log/thumb files than the guide slices/snowballs<br />
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Would you be willing to spell out what you know about this transaction and where my summary on the slice transaction is right/wrong?<br />
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(BTW, what button do I hit to make a quote here?)<br></td></tr></table><br />
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There is a quote button next to the reply button.  I just added extra brackets around the areas to insert comments.<br />
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Here is what I see normally from a daily call.<br />
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POST to mlog.cgi (log from the previous call)<br />
POST to TCD411.cgi (check phone numbers)<br />
POST to HServer.cgi (main process)<br />
POST to keyserver.cgi (check keys)<br />
POST to acceptfile.cgi (upload logs/thumbs)<br />
POST to mlog.cgi (log for what was downloaded)<br />
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The main process sets the files to download, where the keyserver and acceptfiles should go to and much more.This is an <b>ALPHA</b> preview release of a new tivoweb branch which will be replacing tivoweb-tcl.
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Enjoy.
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edit: link removed.
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here's a little tivo side ftp server that lets you transfer tivo recordings from tivo-pc, pc-tivo or tivo-tivo in tmf/ty/ty+ format with a regular ftp client or browser
<br />

<br />
<a href="ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/" target="_blank">ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/</a> will connect your browser to the default port on mfs_ftp assuming 192.168.0.2 is your tivo ip
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp
<br />

<br />
on my dtivos running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x software I get around 1,050 K/sec across tivonet and 1,900k K/sec via turbonet
<br />

<br />
tmf files from mfs-ftp are internally identical to the tarfiles produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver. ty &amp; ty+ are regular old mfs_stream files with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end. this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files, indexing / sorting extracted files or dvd menu generation
<br />

<br />
on insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording. so far just what's necesary for playback (title / date /etc) and the description. the entire xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml &amp; that's what's put in an extract if an insert is extracted again
<br />

<br />
2.x recordings can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x recordings can be inserted in 2.x boxes. recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one type to the other. (if the dtivo recordings are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely when initiated with a fxp enabled ftp client like smart-ftp or even by plain old telnet (for the hard core cmd line fanatics) 
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml and the fsid numbers for each recording part are cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.pts - this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily (for building insertable/convertable tmf/ty/ty+ files)
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<br />

<br />
requirements:
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<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
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<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache needs to exist, and a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt)
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<br />
--
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Riley(this is mostly a cut and paste from my post on dealdatabase):
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Here is all that we know so far when it comes to encrypting a tystream.
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There are believed to be three(?) keys involved in this entire process:
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The DC keys are found in /State/Media under the DiskConfiguration attribute. These keys are some kind of a random number encoded with a checksum generated based on the public keys and the serial number that are stored in your tivos crypto chip. When these keys are corrupted or do not match the crypto chip, your tivo will give you the infamous &quot;Error 51&quot; message. These keys will automaticaly be generated if they aren't present, e.g. from a &quot;clear and delete everything&quot;, or from a software upgrade from a non stream encrypted software version to an encrypted one. You can induce them to be re-generated by simply deleting the DiskConfiguration attribute and then rebooting.
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The CSO keys are generated randomly everytime a tystream part is created, and they are unique to that specific tystream PART only (as opposed to the entire tystream). These keys are found in the respective recordingparts object, under the CommercialSkipOffset attribute (tivo sure had a sense of humor when they picked that name eh? <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">)
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If either the CSO keys or the DC keys are changed at all, then the encrypted stream(s) with which they correspond to will no longer be playable. As far as we can tell at this time, there are NO other decryption keys stored on the tivos hard disk (we have done numerous tests to verify this, but then again there could be something we missed).
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<br />
The final set of keys are those stored in the crypto chip. We can't find out whether or not the keys in the crypto chip are used directly as part of the encryption/decryption. The reason why is because if you attempted to move the drive to a different unit, then you would get an error 51, and clearing it obviously wont help. It is possible that they aren't since the DC key is generated based on them, hence it would already be included anyways.
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<br />
The question now is: where do we go from here?
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<br />
Here are a few possible paths; one, as embeem mentioned, was to write a program that runs the idescramble function, and if you enter the keys correctly, it will spit out the unencrypted tystream, but the problem is we need to find out exactly how the keys are supposed to be sent; riley suggested to do this by logging the crap out of the kernel and seeing if any of the ioctls resembled the CSO/DC/Crypto keys. Another path, which is less promising, would be to somehow force tivoapp to always set the DC and CSO keys to null, and try to find a pattern in the encryption. But I know nothing about how to do either of those, just trying to seed an idea among those more talented.Tivo did something very very cheesy...For any kind of encryption to be effective at all, you'll need to generate random numbers. Well apparently, tivo neglected to code any random number generators into tivoapp itself, and instead it relies on /dev/urandom. If you replace /dev/urandom with /dev/zero, the CSO values will always stay the same. Now, we can go even further with this. The DC keys seem somewhat random, somebody ought to try clearing their DC keys with /dev/urandom disabled at bootup. The problem though is the tivo seems to crash if /dev/urandom spits out all zeros on boot, we need a way to circumvent this. We may get interesting results if we get a non randomized DC key, and record tystreams with non randomized CSO keys, whilst logging the kernel like this.Tivo did something very very cheesy...As you all probably know, for any kind of encryption to be effective at all, you'll need to generate random numbers. Well apparently, tivo neglected to code any random number generators into tivoapp itself, and instead it relies on /dev/urandom. If you replace /dev/urandom with /dev/zero, the CSO values will always stay the same. Now, we can go even further with this. The DC keys seem somewhat random, somebody ought to try clearing their DC keys with /dev/urandom disabled at bootup. The problem though is the tivo seems to crash if /dev/urandom spits out all zeros on boot, we need a way to circumvent this. We may get interesting results if we get a non randomized DC key, and record tystreams with non randomized CSO keys, whilst logging the kernel like this.Tivo did something very very cheesy...As you all probably know, for any kind of encryption to be effective at all, you'll need to generate random numbers. Well apparently, tivo neglected to code any random number generators into tivoapp itself, and instead it relies on /dev/urandom. If you replace /dev/urandom with /dev/zero, the CSO values will always stay the same. Now, we can go even further with this. The DC keys seem somewhat random, somebody ought to try clearing their DC keys with /dev/urandom disabled at bootup. The problem though is the tivo seems to crash if /dev/urandom spits out all zeros on boot, we need a way to circumvent this (which should be easy if somebody wants to spend time on it). We may get interesting results if we get a non randomized DC key, and record tystreams with non randomized CSO keys, whilst logging the kernel like this.Tivo did something very very cheesy...As you all probably know, for any kind of encryption to be effective at all, you'll need to generate random numbers. Well apparently, tivo neglected to code any random number generators into tivoapp itself, and instead it relies on /dev/urandom. If you replace /dev/urandom with /dev/zero, the CSO values will always stay the same. Now, we can go even further with this. The DC keys seem somewhat random, somebody ought to try clearing their DC keys with /dev/urandom disabled at bootup. The problem though is the tivo seems to crash if /dev/urandom spits out all zeros on boot, we need a way to circumvent this (which should be trivial if somebody wants to spend time on it). We may get interesting results if we get a non randomized DC key, and record tystreams with non randomized CSO keys, whilst logging the kernel like this.Tivo did something very very cheesy...As you all probably know, for any kind of encryption to be effective at all, you'll need to generate random numbers. Well apparently, tivo neglected to code any random number generators into tivoapp itself, and instead it relies on /dev/urandom (yes, tivo actualy did make things that easy, I didn't believe it myself at first). If you replace /dev/urandom with /dev/zero, the CSO values will always stay the same. Now, we can go even further with this. The DC keys seem somewhat random, somebody ought to try clearing their DC keys with /dev/urandom disabled at bootup. The problem though is the tivo seems to crash if /dev/urandom spits out all zeros on boot, we need a way to circumvent this (which should be trivial if somebody wants to spend time on it). We may get interesting results if we get a non randomized DC key, and record tystreams with non randomized CSO keys, whilst logging the kernel like this.here's a little tivo side ftp server that lets you transfer tivo recordings from tivo-pc, pc-tivo or tivo-tivo in tmf/ty/ty+ format with a regular ftp client or browser
<br />

<br />
<a href="ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/" target="_blank">ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/</a> will connect your browser to the default port on mfs_ftp assuming 192.168.0.2 is your tivo ip
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp
<br />

<br />
on my dtivos running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x software I get around 1,050 K/sec across tivonet and 1,900k K/sec via turbonet
<br />

<br />
tmf files from mfs-ftp are internally identical to the tarfiles produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver. ty &amp; ty+ are regular old mfs_stream files with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end. this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files, indexing / sorting extracted files or dvd menu generation
<br />

<br />
on insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording. so far just what's necesary for playback (title / date /etc) and the description. the entire xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml &amp; that's what's put in an extract if an insert is extracted again
<br />

<br />
2.x recordings can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x recordings can be inserted in 2.x boxes. recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one type to the other. (if the dtivo recordings are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely when initiated with a fxp enabled ftp client like smart-ftp or even by plain old telnet (for the hard core cmd line fanatics) 
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml and the fsid numbers for each recording part are cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.pts - this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily (for building insertable/convertable tmf/ty/ty+ files)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache needs to exist, and a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt)
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley here's a little tivo side ftp server that lets you transfer tivo recordings from tivo-pc, pc-tivo or tivo-tivo in tmf/ty/ty+ format with a regular ftp client or browser
<br />

<br />
<a href="ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/" target="_blank">ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/</a> will connect your browser to the default port on mfs_ftp assuming 192.168.0.2 is your tivo ip
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp
<br />

<br />
on my dtivos running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x software I get around 1,050 K/sec across tivonet and 1,900k K/sec via turbonet
<br />

<br />
tmf files from mfs-ftp are internally identical to the tarfiles produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver. ty &amp; ty+ are regular old mfs_stream files with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end. this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files, indexing / sorting extracted files or dvd menu generation
<br />

<br />
on insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording. so far just what's necesary for playback (title / date /etc) and the description. the entire xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml &amp; that's what's put in an extract if an insert is extracted again
<br />

<br />
2.x recordings can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x recordings can be inserted in 2.x boxes. recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one type to the other. (if the dtivo recordings are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely when initiated with a fxp enabled ftp client like smart-ftp or even by plain old telnet (for the hard core cmd line fanatics) 
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml and the fsid numbers for each recording part are cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.pts - this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily (for building insertable/convertable tmf/ty/ty+ files)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache needs to exist, and a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt)
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side ftp server that lets you transfer tivo recordings from tivo-pc, pc-tivo or tivo-tivo in tmf/ty/ty+ format with a regular ftp client or browser
<br />

<br />
<a href="ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/" target="_blank">ftp://192.168.0.2:3105/</a> will connect your browser to the default port on mfs_ftp assuming 192.168.0.2 is your tivo ip
<br />

<br />
this simplifies achiving &amp; restore of recordings as well as scheduled batch extraction via scripts that invoke cmd line ftp
<br />

<br />
on my dtivos running 2.x / 2.5.x / 3.x software I get around 1,050 K/sec across tivonet and 1,900k K/sec via turbonet
<br />

<br />
tmf files from mfs-ftp are internally identical to the tarfiles produced by tivodvlpr's tivoweb-tarserver. ty &amp; ty+ are regular old mfs_stream files with 512 #'s, the xml txt and another 512 #'s appended to the end. this DOES NOT interfere with conversion to mpeg and the xml is available for building tmf files, indexing / sorting extracted files or dvd menu generation
<br />

<br />
on insert only some xml data is restored into the newly created recording. so far just what's necesary for playback (title / date /etc) and the description. the entire xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml &amp; that's what's put in an extract if an insert is extracted again
<br />

<br />
2.x recordings can be inserted in 3.x boxes, 3.x recordings can be inserted in 2.x boxes. recordings can be interchanged between SA &amp; DTivo's or even streamed from one type to the other. (if the dtivo recordings are mpeg audio &amp; not dolby)
<br />

<br />
passive and fxp transfers supported. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo transfers work nicely when initiated with a fxp enabled ftp client like smart-ftp or even by plain old telnet (for the hard core cmd line fanatics) 
<br />

<br />
for each recording, xml data is cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.xml and the fsid numbers for each recording part are cached to /var/mfs_ftp/cache/rec_filename.pts - this allows you to mount the drive in a pc and extract the parts + xml data easily (for building insertable/convertable tmf/ty/ty+ files)
<br />

<br />

<br />
requirements:
<br />

<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp
<br />

<br />
the directory /var/mfs_ftp/cache needs to exist, and a fifo named fifo in /var/mfs_ftp (mkfifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo will create this from the bash prompt)
<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Riley/State/Media(Diskconfiguration) only seems to be read/checked/cached at startup.
<br />

<br />
you can backup/restore valid keys and switch between sets of scrambled recordings but you have to reboot for a new key to take effect.  not just for err#51 purposes but also for playing a scramble. (durnit!)
<br />

<br />
here's some VERY basic utils to backup/restore/nuke the key
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyHere is something interesting I noticed while testing a script.
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<br />
If I set my crypto serial number to 0123456789ABCDE, nuke the DC keys, reboot, allow tivo to fully boot up, then change the serial number to EDCBA9876543210, and reboot, I notice this while watching the tivo boot up:
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<br />
<pre>
Creating ApgReader
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
Initialize with 2 live caches
</pre>
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<br />
Now, if I do a crypto -gek, I notice this interesting string in there:
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<br />
T.V..#EDCBA9876543210/################/E
<br />

<br />
(Note that I am using hash (#) symbols to cover the actual number stored in my crypto chip, and the number displayed by tivoapp is the same number as that, only its obfuscated a bit, just like the serial number is)
<br />

<br />
Evidently, this must be where the &quot;error 51&quot; checking is done. But whats more interesting is how tivo attempts to obfuscate the serial number, and more interesting than that, is that tivoapp is able to extract the tivo serial number out of the DC key, random as it is (still random if you even put fixed numbers in /dev/urandom). Its not a mere checksum or md5 of any sort as I previously thought, it gets the *exact* serial number and prime number that should be stored in the crypto chip, and when the number stored in the DC key doesn't match the crypto chip, we get error 51.
<br />

<br />
My only question now is, since this number for generating the DC key is random even without /dev/urandom, then where in the non volatile memory is the decryption key for the DC key stored? <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />
/State/Media(Diskconfiguration) only seems to be read/checked/cached at startup.
<br />

<br />
you can backup/restore valid keys and switch between sets of scrambled recordings but you have to reboot for a new key to take effect.  not just for err#51 purposes but also for playing a scramble. (durnit!)
<br />

<br />
here's some VERY basic utils to backup/restore/nuke the key
<br />

<br />
(nuking the key will eliminate the error#51 after it reboots but you will only be able to watch unscrambled recordings)
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
RileyHere is something interesting I noticed while testing a script.
<br />

<br />
If I set my crypto serial number to 0123456789ABCDE, nuke the DC keys, reboot, allow tivo to fully boot up, then change the serial number to EDCBA9876543210, and reboot, I notice this while watching the tivo boot up:
<br />

<br />
<pre>
Creating ApgReader
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
Initialize with 2 live caches
</pre>
<br />

<br />
Now, if I do a crypto -gek, I notice this interesting string in there:
<br />

<br />
T.V..#EDCBA9876543210/################/E
<br />

<br />
(Note that I am using hash (#) symbols to cover the actual number stored in my crypto chip, and the number displayed by tivoapp is the same number as that, only its obfuscated a bit, just like the serial number is)
<br />

<br />
Evidently, this must be where the &quot;error 51&quot; checking is done. But whats more interesting is how tivo attempts to obfuscate the serial number, and more interesting than that, is that tivoapp is able to extract the tivo serial number out of the DC key, random as it is. Its not a mere checksum or md5 of any sort as I previously thought, it gets the *exact* serial number and prime number that should be stored in the crypto chip, and when the number stored in the DC key doesn't match the crypto chip, we get error 51.
<br />

<br />
My only question now is, since this number for generating the DC key is random even without /dev/urandom, then where in the non volatile memory is the decryption key for the DC key stored? <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
<br />
If I read this right, this isn't doing the Monte switch of kernels.  The chroot is running the rc.sysinit under the same
<br />
kernel, but the rc.sysinit sees $TIVO_ROOT as its / filesystem.
<br />
It's great that this works, but if they change something in the tivo application that depends on an update in the kernel, it 
<br />
will not see that update.  Do we need to have a version that
<br />
does this persistent hack along with the kernel swapping?
<br />

<br />
Another thing:  Why is the insmod of ax88796 needed?  The 88796
<br />
is an ethernet controller.  In a Series two, with the ethernet on the USB, doesn't it already have the ethernet support loaded?  Is this needed because the old, hackable but signed
<br />
kernel doesn't load USB ethernet support?    
<br />

<br />
   insmod -f ax88796
<br />

<br />
Finally, how does the 'creating a new partition' work?  Isn't all (or nearly all) the available space taken up by the existing partitions?  Do you use pdisk to resize one of the MFS partitions and then add the new partition?  How do you tell MFS that one of its old partitions is smaller?  Does it need to know, or does it just handle it?
<br />

<br />

<br />
If I read this right, this isn't doing the Monte switch of kernels.  The chroot is running the rc.sysinit under the same
<br />
kernel, but the rc.sysinit sees $TIVO_ROOT as its / filesystem.
<br />
It's great that this works, but if they change something in the tivo application that depends on an update in the kernel, it 
<br />
will not see that update.  Do we need to have a version that
<br />
does this persistent hack along with the kernel swapping?
<br />

<br />
Another thing:  Why is the insmod of ax88796 needed?  The 88796
<br />
is an ethernet controller.  In a Series two, with the ethernet on the USB, doesn't it already have the ethernet support loaded?  Is this needed because the old, hackable but signed
<br />
kernel doesn't load USB ethernet support?    
<br />

<br />
   insmod -f ax88796
<br />

<br />
Finally, how does the 'creating a new partition' work?  Isn't all (or nearly all) the available space taken up by the existing partitions?  Do you use pdisk to resize one of the MFS partitions and then add the new partition?  How do you tell MFS that one of its old partitions is smaller?  Does it need to know, or does it just handle it?
<br />

<br />

<br />
Here is something interesting I noticed while testing a script.
<br />

<br />
If I set my crypto serial number to 0123456789ABCDE, nuke the DC keys, reboot, allow tivo to fully boot up, then change the serial number to EDCBA9876543210, and reboot, I notice this while watching the tivo boot up:
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<br />
<pre>
Creating ApgReader
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
BCDE789A3456/################/E is not 32107654BA98/################/E
Initialize with 2 live caches
</pre>
<br />

<br />
Now, if I do a crypto -gek, I notice this interesting string in there:
<br />

<br />
T.V..#EDCBA9876543210/################/E
<br />

<br />
(Note that I am using hash (#) symbols to cover the actual number stored in my crypto chip, and the number displayed by tivoapp is the same number as that, only its obfuscated a bit, just like the serial number is)
<br />

<br />
Evidently, this must be where the &quot;error 51&quot; checking is done. But whats more interesting is how tivo attempts to obfuscate the serial number, and more interesting than that, is that tivoapp is able to extract the tivo serial number out of the DC key, random as it is. Its not a mere checksum or md5 of any sort as I previously thought, it gets the *exact* serial number and prime number that should be stored in the crypto chip, and when the number stored in the DC key doesn't match the crypto chip, we get error 51.
<br />

<br />
My only question now is, where/how in the non volatile memory is the random number generated to decrypt the DC key stored?The original post describes running the tivo environment as part of a chroot. The instructions were written from a series1 perspective and thus they load the driver for the turbonet card to allow me to telnet to the system outside of the chroot.
<br />

<br />
It should be noted that a chroot isn't the same as monte, infact there isn't even a monte for the series1. If you want to see how this all relates to monte and the series2 you can go over <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=74#msg_488" target="_blank">here</a> and see my rambling on the subject.this version of mfs_ftp only supports insert, no extract capability (for those wacky censors over at avs)
<br />

<br />
check the first post for the current full version
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileythis is for those wacky censors over on tivocommunity
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<br />
insert works normally but extract of any kind is disabled 
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<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid= 24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
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<br />
see the thread here for the latest full version 
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<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=59&amp;start=0&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=59&amp;start=0&a mp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
or the dealdatabase thread for installation / usage / troubleshooting
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=83857#post83857</a>
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<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileythis allows you to insert video INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
this is the thread for installation / usage / troubleshooting and the latest version
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
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<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileythis allows you to insert video INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">&quot;_blank&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
this is the thread for installation / usage / troubleshooting and the latest version
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<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">setup_usage_helpme</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileythis allows you to insert video INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">&quot;mfs_ftp.tcl.gz&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
this is the thread for installation / usage / troubleshooting and the latest version
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">&quot;support-thread&quot;</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
--
<br />
Rileythis allows you to insert video INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">mfs_ftp.tcl.gz</a>
<br />

<br />

<br />
this is the thread for installation / usage / troubleshooting and the latest version
<br />

<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">setup-support-thread</a>
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<br />
--
<br />
RileyI've upgraded the forum to version 2.5 (which required an excruciating upgrade of PHP as well, but all is done). Please take a look for any inconsistencies or bugs.<br />
<br />
Of course, a full backup was made before the upgrade, but hopefully we don't need it.<br />
<br />
Again, please try to make use of all of the board functions so that we can give this new version a shakedown.I have done some analysis of the DC key, and found several values that will remain static if you only change your tivos serial number. However, some numbers may indicate other values stored in the crypto chip than just the serial number. Just for kicks, I want to compare the static numbers in my DC key with somebody elses directivo running on version 3.1.<br />
<br />
Here is the method to get around the tivo halting on waiting for random numbers from /dev/urandom and /dev/random at bootup:<br />
<br />
Edit your rc.sysinit to &quot;export tivokeys=false&quot; somewhere before it executes the &quot;switcherstart -m&quot;<br />
<br />
Create a file that has nothing but 1024 bytes of 0x01 in it (using 0x00 from /dev/zero will not work), and substitute /dev/urandom and /dev/random with this file. This will have the same effect on the random numbers as /dev/zero will, only this fools tivoapp to think its getting actual numbers other than zero.<br />
<br />
Nuke your DC keys, reboot, note their new values, nuke them again, reboot again, and make sure that they are the same as last time.<br />
<br />
BTW MuscleNerd; find anything new?<br />
I have done some analysis of the DC key, and found several values that will remain static if you only change your tivos serial number. However, some numbers may indicate other values stored in the crypto chip than just the serial number. Just for kicks, I want to compare the static numbers in my DC key with somebody elses directivo running on version 3.1.<br />
<br />
Here is the method to get around the tivo halting on waiting for random numbers from /dev/urandom and /dev/random at bootup (note, make sure you start bash from bash_env! if you execute bash at the end of the sysinit, you may lose it if this doesn't work!):<br />
<br />
- Edit your rc.sysinit to &quot;export tivokeys=false&quot; somewhere before it executes the &quot;switcherstart -m&quot;<br />
<br />
- Create a file that has nothing but 1024 bytes of 0x01 in it (using 0x00 from /dev/zero will not work), and substitute /dev/urandom and /dev/random with this file. This will have the same effect on the random numbers as /dev/zero will, only this fools tivoapp to think its getting actual numbers other than zero.<br />
<br />
- Nuke your DC keys, reboot, note their new values, nuke them again, reboot again, and make sure that they are the same as last time.<br />
<br />
BTW MuscleNerd; find anything new?<br />
/State/Media(Diskconfiguration) only seems to be read/checked/cached at startup.<br />
<br />
you can backup/restore valid keys and switch between sets of scrambled recordings but you have to reboot for a new key to take effect.  not just for err#51 purposes but also for playing a scramble. (durnit!)<br />
<br />
here's some VERY basic utils to backup/restore/nuke the key<br />
<br />
(nuking the key will eliminate the error#51 after it reboots but you will only be able to watch unscrambled recordings)<br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
RileyThe normal course of an upgrade is to format the alternate partition, mount it on /install and then unpack a new system onto it and finally change the boot order to boot that drive. The most obvious problem with that is that any changes made to the root partition are lost in the process, well, not actually lost but nolonger active. This can be a pain in the ass for anyone who does alot of tivo hacking and has a full set additional applications since you don't really want to move it over each time the system upgrades which in the case of a beta can be up to once a week.<br />
<br />
In the past the solution has always been to store the hacks in /var/hack/bin or some such nonsense since the var partition is persistant and writable. This is a good idea but it has shortcomings. Overfill /var and the tivo will just nuke it and recreate the partition, plus you're still stuck with having to redo the bash prompt every upgrade. Sure you can boot the old partition and move things over, but that's work and let's face it programmers are excessively lazy.<br />
<br />
So, we can't store to the root partition and we can't depend on /var .. whatever shall we do? Let's make our own partition .. it can be arbitrarily large and there's not really much threat of it being destroyed. But how do we pull it off?<br />
<br />
The Setup:<br />
Create a new partition, boot it, from there do a chroot to boot the normal system. With the chroot in place the tivo will hardly even know the difference and will be unable to touch it.<br />
<br />
Pulling it off:<br />
<br />
The first step of the process is creating a new partition, I won't bore everyone with the details of how to do that since it should be trivial. Aside from that you'll have to copy over the /bin, /lib and /etc directories to the point where the partition is bootable.<br />
<br />
Since the partition we're chrooting into won't be a constant we need some way of knowing which parition is currently active. Luckily the upgrader affords us a few luxuries, instead of just changing the root= in the boot arguments it does a search and replace, /dev/hda4 -&gt; /dev/hda7 and vice versa leaving the rest of the boot arguments completely alone. The upshot of this?<br />
<br />
root=/dev/hda12 REAL_ROOT=/dev/hda4<br />
<br />
Assume we have the above boot arguments, hda12 is our newly created partition. When an upgrade occurs all that will happen is that the installer will change the hda4 to hda7 and we end up with this:<br />
<br />
root=/dev/hda12 REAL_ROOT=/dev/hda7<br />
<br />
perfect!<br />
<br />
So apart from the normal stuff our layout is going to be something like this:<br />
<br />
/tivo :: place where we mount the real partition<br />
/tvbin -&gt; /tivo/tvbin :: symlink<br />
/tmp -&gt; /tivo/var/tmp :: symlink<br />
<br />
The reason we share the tmp partition is because the tivosh expects to find files there. You can symlink /tvlib but given that all the tcl scripts use $TIVO_ROOT, you shouldn't have to -- better just to shoot the 3rd parties that write their scripts wrong.<br />
<br />
Now we just need a few more things ...<br />
<br />
rc.sysinit:<br />
<pre>
#!/bin/bash
# Tivo's tcl scripts expect TIVO_ROOT to be pointed
# at / with all paths are relative to TIVO_ROOT
# this'll come in handy later

export TIVO_ROOT=/tivo
export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/hack/bin:$PATH
export PATH=$PATH:$TIVO_ROOT/bin:$TIVO_ROOT/tvbin:$TIVO_ROOT/sbin:$ TIVO_ROOT/devbin

e2fsck -p $root
mount -o remount,rw /
mount none /proc -t proc
cat /proc/mounts &gt;/etc/mtab

# we'll setup a way in here so we can get outside the chroot

# tivonet:
# insmod -f 8390 &amp;&amp; insmod -f tivone
# turbonet:
insmod -f ax88796

ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.60 up
ifconfig lo up
tnlited 23 /bin/bash --login

#now the chroot:
mount $REAL_ROOT $TIVO_ROOT -o ro
cd $TIVO_ROOT

unset $REAL_ROOT

mv /logs/tivo /logs/tivo.old
chroot $TIVO_ROOT /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit &amp;&gt; /logs/tivo 

# note the lack of &amp; on the above line, we'll wait
# here for the real partition to boot

# since we intend on running tcl scripts outside the chroot
# we need to setup the environment .. TIVO_ROOT is already set
# so the tcl scripts should have no trouble finding things
# we still need to set a few others though

export TIVO_REMOTE=TIVO
export MFS_DEVICE=/dev/hda10

export SerialNumber=`crypto -gsn`
export PROMVERSION=`getprom -version`

case `getprom -videoconfig` in
  0|1|2|3|4|5|6) export TV_STD=NTSC;;
  7)             export TV_STD=PAL;;
esac

# before we start tivoweb we need to make sure
# myworld is loaded .. this should do that
/tvbin/switcherstart -w

# from here you can start what you like

#/tivoweb-tcl/tivoweb
</pre><br />
<br />
and /etc/profile:<br />
<pre>
#!/bin/sh

alias ls='ls --color -F'
alias lsmod='cat /proc/modules'
alias which='type -path'
alias more='less'
alias reset='echo -ne &quot;\033c&quot; &amp;&amp; stty sane'
alias clear='echo -ne &quot;\33[H\33[2J&quot;'

export PS1=&quot;\h:\w\$ &quot;
export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/hack/bin:$PATH
export PATH=$PATH:$TIVO_ROOT/bin:$TIVO_ROOT/tvbin:$TIVO_ROOT/sbin:$ TIVO_ROOT/devbin
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/hack/lib
export HOME=/root
export HISTFILE=$HOME/.bash_history

export TIVO_REMOTE=TIVO
export TMK_DEBUGGER=sleep
export MFS_DEVICE=/dev/hda10
# export SerialNumber=crypto -gsn

export TERM=xterm
export COLUMNS=80
export LINES=24

setpri fifo 1 $PPID
setpri fifo 1 $$
</pre><br />
<br />
notes:<br />
Try to avoid making any changes to the $REAL_ROOT parition as they'll be lost, be creative and load your hacks from your rc.sysinit. Tcl and other tivo specific hacks should be loadad after 'switcherstart -w' to assure everything is running. Use 'cp -a' to copy /dev to your new partition. Well, it seems to have fixed the two bugs that were nagging me<br />
- tags not being parsed correctly when text contains ['s<br />
- URLs in quoted messages turning to &quot;_BLANK&quot;Ah yes. I really should just post it. Need to find it wherever it was.<br />
<br />
I remember this being only a few line patch to get it to compile, and otherwise I just used my own compile environment. The source was/is vixie cron.<br />
<br />
Lemme see if I can find source for it. (I know I have it here somewhere). Bug me if you don't see it here in a couple days.I have done some analysis of the DC key, and found several values that will remain static if you only change your tivos serial number. However, some numbers may indicate other values stored in the crypto chip than just the serial number. Just for kicks, I want to compare the static numbers in my DC key with somebody elses directivo running on version 3.1.<br />
<br />
Here is the method to get around the tivo halting on waiting for random numbers from /dev/urandom and /dev/random at bootup (note, make sure you start bash from bash_env! if you execute bash at the end of the sysinit, you may lose it if this doesn't work!):<br />
<br />
- Edit your rc.sysinit to &quot;export tivokeys=false&quot; somewhere before it executes the &quot;switcherstart -m&quot;<br />
<br />
- Create a file that has nothing but 1024 bytes of 0x01 in it (using 0x00 from /dev/zero will not work), and substitute /dev/urandom and /dev/random with this file. This will have the same effect on the random numbers as /dev/zero will, only this fools tivoapp to think its getting actual numbers other than zero.<br />
<br />
- Nuke your DC keys, reboot, note their new values, nuke them again, reboot again, and make sure that they are the same as last time.<br />
<br />
BTW MuscleNerd: find anything new?<br />
Any one care to confirm this?<br />
<br />
2.5 SW, Resource 15 set to &quot;2&quot;<br />
plus embeem's orginal 2.5 attempt at live buffer<br />
<br />
Increases live buffer???<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>BlackWidow000 wrote on Thu, 24 July 2003 05:29</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><br />
2.5 SW, Resource 15 set to &quot;2&quot;<br />
<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
What's changing 15 suppose to accomplish?<br />
(What's the basis/theory for this?)Sorry, I was really tired last night when I posted.<br />
<br />
First the basis for it is that it did work on my test bench Sony SVR-2000.<br />
<br />
Second this is how I got to this. I reapplied your expermintal buffer hack just for kicks, basicly just hoping that one of the resources would start it working.<br />
<br />
For those whom haven't seen or don't remember here is a slightly modififed version that takes 1 argument which is the size of the desired buffer, This works in 2.5 it moved in 3.0, look around the same place for &quot;1800&quot; for the correct placment in 3.0:<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br> <br />
#!/tvbin/tivosh<br />
# LiveHack (C)2001 embeem<br />
# EXPERIMENTAL - For 2.51<br />
# modified by Black Widow<br />
# 1 argument live buffer length in seconds<br />
# EG 3600 = 1hr<br />
<br />
set livebuff $argv<br />
set db [dbopen]<br />
transaction {<br />
	set swsysa [db $db open &quot;/SwSystem/ACTIVE&quot;]<br />
	set resgrp [dbobj $swsysa get ResourceGroup]<br />
	set tmpgrp [lindex $resgrp 24]<br />
	set tmpres [lindex [dbobj $tmpgrp get &quot;Item&quot;] 22]<br />
	set premod [dbobj $tmpres get &quot;String&quot;]<br />
	set prefil [dbobj $tmpgrp get &quot;CompressedFile&quot;]<br />
	set itemgr [dbobj $tmpres fsid]/[dbobj $tmpres subobjid]<br />
	set resgrp [dbobj $tmpgrp fsid]/[dbobj $tmpgrp subobjid]<br />
	dbobj $tmpres set &quot;String&quot; $livebuff<br />
	dbobj $tmpgrp remove &quot;CompressedFile&quot;<br />
	puts [format &quot;ReourceGroup - %s Item - %s<br />
 PreBuffer Size - %s CompFile - %s&quot; \ $resgrp $itemgr $premod $prefil]<br />
	puts &quot;done!&quot;<br />
}<br />
<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
 Started playing with the resources looking for the ones that where the same across all flavors of TiVO. Under the impresion that these were all boolean toggles when I got to Item 15 which was set to &quot;1&quot; I set it to &quot;0&quot; and it reduced the buffer to approx 15 min. Well I decided to try 2 instead just for the heck of it and I ended up with exactly an hour buffer. Now I have not had time to do further investigation, like if a 2 hour buffer is needed does resource 15 need to be incremented? Or is &quot;2&quot; indeed and invalid option, which inturn makes the live buffer be configured via the other resource.mark all messages as read link is not working.<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>n4zmz wrote on Fri, 25 July 2003 11:17</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>mark all messages as read link is not working.<br />
<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Hmmm, that's odd. I just tried it and it did work for me. I also had a problem when I first visited the new board, and a couple things seemed broken. Restarting my browser and manually clearing all caches seemed to help though. Could you try that and let me know if it is possible something was just cached improperly?The links in this thread are 404 now. Any updates?<br />
Well, I attempted to see if there was a way that I could safely and universaly figure out how to change this value on any tivo type and software version, but looking at all available methods, I couldn't find anything.<br />
<br />
The best thing we can do is use foreach loops to hunt for the 1800 value, but this would be dangerous if there are more strings in the resource items that contain the value &quot;1800&quot;.<br />
<br />
Attached is the script that I came up with while attempting all of this. Idealy, it should work on any tivo software revision for any tivo model, but the problem is that it could very well screw up any untested software revisions. Therefore this script is kinda unsafe ATM until we can identify a better method.<br />
Well, I attempted to see if there was a way that I could safely and universaly figure out how to change this value on any tivo type and software version, but looking at all available methods, I couldn't find anything.<br />
<br />
The best thing we can do is use foreach loops to hunt for the 1800 value, but this would be dangerous if there are more strings in the resource items that contain the value &quot;1800&quot;.<br />
<br />
Attached is the script that I came up with while attempting all of this. Idealy, it should work on any tivo software revision for any tivo model, but the problem is that it could very well screw up any untested software revisions. Therefore this script is kinda unsafe ATM until we can identify a better method.<br />
<br />
EDIT: Also, one other thing, I think I may have found a way to fix the cursor being stuck on the last 30 minutes of the buffer, but I have to wait til my buffer fills up before I can test it, and unfortunately I don't think I will stay up that late <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">Well, I attempted to see if there was a way that I could safely and universaly figure out how to change this value on any tivo type and software version, but looking at all available methods, I couldn't find anything.<br />
<br />
The best thing we can do is use foreach loops to hunt for the 1800 value, but this would be dangerous if there are more strings in the resource items that contain the value &quot;1800&quot;.<br />
<br />
Attached is the script that I came up with while attempting all of this. Idealy, it should work on any tivo software revision for any tivo model, but the problem is that it could very well screw up any untested software revisions. Therefore this script is kinda unsafe ATM until we can identify a better method. (but so far it works just fine on every tivo SW revision that I have looked at...)<br />
<br />
EDIT: Also, one other thing, I think I may have found a way to fix the cursor being stuck on the last 30 minutes of the buffer, but I have to wait til my buffer fills up before I can test it, and unfortunately I don't think I will stay up that late <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">Well, I attempted to see if there was a way that I could safely and universaly figure out how to change this value on any tivo type and software version, but looking at all available methods, I couldn't find anything.<br />
<br />
The best thing we can do is use foreach loops to hunt for the 1800 value, but this would be dangerous if there are more strings in the resource items that contain the value &quot;1800&quot;.<br />
<br />
Attached is the script that I came up with while attempting all of this. Idealy, it should work on any tivo software revision for any tivo model, but the problem is that it could very well screw up any untested software revisions. Therefore this script is kinda unsafe ATM until we can identify a better method. (but so far it works just fine on every tivo SW revision that I have looked at...but until this script is scruitinized better, it would be irresponsible to post it to any of the &quot;how-to&quot; forums.)<br />
<br />
EDIT: Also, one other thing, I think I may have found a way to fix the cursor being stuck on the last 30 minutes of the buffer, but I have to wait til my buffer fills up before I can test it, and unfortunately I don't think I will stay up that late <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">Just a Note, the Buffer Adjust script posted by Alpha, is based of Embeem's orginal scripted posted nearly a year ago., Though I do wish I could take credit for it. That aside, I'm still a bit confused and interested in other's results, as when Embeem orginaly posted that script, it did not work, for myself, or embeem. About the most you could get was about 45 min, then it would trim itself down. Now I see several people claiming that this has always worked? whats the deal. I can say that for me my previous post does, make it work for me. But why I do not know.<br />
  The old script never worked and I'm not having any luck messing with resource#15. After changing the 1800 to 3600 you can put the tivo on pause for an hour, problem is that when you play it just jumps ahead and you end up somewhere around a 30 minute buffer.<br />
<br />
There's something hardcoded in the live cache system which only keeps enough recording parts for somewhere around 40 minutes (8 parts)Embeem are you using 2.5 or 3.0? It works for me in 2.5 but 3.0 I have the exact same thingOh sorry, yeah I'm using 3.0 on mine; just noticed that after pausing in a program that was being recorded, the buffer after the program seems to be an hour long.And Embeem at the risk of insulting both of our intelligence, in 3.0 the index is 16, its intial value was &quot;1&quot;. Silly thing yes, but I didn't mention it the first time.I Was just thinking that in 3.0 their might be toggle, mabey even 15, but instead it makes it look for the mysterious, and non function LiveCacheConfig mfs dirTo answer my own question:<br />
<br />
 <a href="http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/</a><br />
My experience here, is that I do get a whole hour buffer, but the green progress bar on-screen is kind of wacky, as in...<br />
<br />
It works normal for the first 1/2 hour of the buffer, but stops moving at the :30 point. Then the video keeps moving ahead for the remaining :30, the on-screen time increments correctly, but the green progress bar stays at :30.My experience here, is that I do get a whole hour buffer, but the green progress bar on-screen is kind of wacky, as in...<br />
<br />
It works normal for the first 1/2 hour of the buffer, but stops moving at the :30 point. Then the video keeps moving ahead for the remaining :30, the on-screen time increments correctly, but the green progress bar stays at :30.<br />
<br />
This is with 2.5.2.My experience here, is that I do get a whole hour buffer, but the green progress bar on-screen is kind of wacky, as in...<br />
<br />
It works normal for the first 1/2 hour of the buffer, but stops moving at the :30 point. Then the video keeps moving ahead for the remaining :30, the on-screen time increments correctly, but the green progress bar stays at the :30 point.<br />
<br />
This is with 2.5.2.(Thanks I was in a Series 2 mindset and didn't think of your <br />
comment in a Series 1 environment.)<br />
<br />
Any have suggestions about creating space for a new partition<br />
(especially on a Series 2 box)?  I can fdisk or pdisk with the <br />
best of them, but I think there is no more space (or not much)<br />
on my S2.  Does anyone have information about how the MFS partitions are organized and how they are used?<br />
<br />
My guess would be to delete and shrink, or resize some MFS<br />
partition, but does Tivo have a file knows about the size <br />
and/or location of the MFS partitions that would need to be <br />
fixed up?  Does the MFS partition have a custom filesystem type<br />
that could be reconstructed?You have a few choices:<br />
<ul>
<li> You can chop off a piece of any partition you like to make room for your own partition; the only thing that you need to watch is the partition numbering. Creating a new partition will change the partition numbers and you'll need to renumber them so the newly created partition shows up at the end of the drive. You can steal some space from either root partition, swap or var -- most people won't need more than 32-64M
</ul><ul>
<li> If you're transfering to a new drive via mfstools, tell it to create an extra large swap partition then just chop some space off of that.
</ul><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>SR712 wrote on Sun, 27 July 2003 11:36</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>My experience here, is that I do get a whole hour buffer, but the green progress bar on-screen is kind of wacky, as in...<br />
<br />
It works normal for the first 1/2 hour of the buffer, but stops moving at the :30 point. Then the video keeps moving ahead for the remaining :30, the on-screen time increments correctly, but the green progress bar stays at the :30 point.<br />
<br />
This is with 2.5.2.<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
<br />
Same experience with 3.1JJBliss &amp; SR712? what falvor Tivo are you guys using?T60 w/2.5.2DSR6000 / 2.5.2<br />
HUGHES / 3.1<br />
<br />
After a rather informative conversation with embeem it would seem that the group and item order are consistent across same versions of Tivo software.<br />
<br />
I've concluded so far that<br />
<br />
2.5.2 is definitley group 24 item 22<br />
3.1 is definitley group 22 item 24<br />
3.0 is definitley group 23 item 24<br />
<br />
I presume that if we had a confirmation of 2.5.1, Alphawolf could update his script to indentify the OS, and then apply the appropriate resource hack for the specific os version.<br />
<br />
His idea of parsing the entire /SwSystem/ACTIVE looking for the 1800 is grwat, but it seems to take a lot of processing time, and we can prove the group/item is a constant.<br />
<br />
Now if someone smarter than me could fix the progress meter problem, we'd be able to get this out to all the kids in the audience. Without that, it doesn't seem ready for primetime.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
After a rather informative conversation with embeem it would seem that the group and item order are consistent across same versions of Tivo software.<br />
<br />
I've concluded so far that<br />
<br />
2.5.2 is definitley group 24 item 22<br />
3.1 is definitley group 22 item 24<br />
3.0 is definitley group 23 item 24<br />
<br />
I presume that if we had a confirmation of 2.5.1, Alphawolf could update his script to indentify the OS, and then apply the appropriate resource hack for the specific os version.<br />
<br />
His idea of parsing the entire /SwSystem/ACTIVE looking for the 1800 is grwat, but it seems to take a lot of processing time, and we can prove the group/item is a constant.<br />
<br />
Now if someone smarter than me could fix the progress meter problem, we'd be able to get this out to all the kids in the audience. Without that, it doesn't seem ready for primetime.<br />
<br />
<br />
edit:<br />
<br />
I just tried my hand at defining the software version and addressing the group/item based on the constants that I knew.  Obviously it can be modded to add version 2.5.1 once we confirm it.<br />
<br />
Comments?<br />
<br />
Suggestions?<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Well so far it seems to me that this only works on DTivos, granted I have limited information. But it does not work on my Sony SA, without modifying Constant 15, and I have yet to make any progress on my Phillips SA with 3.0.After a rather informative conversation with embeem it would seem that the group and item order are consistent across same versions of Tivo software.<br />
<br />
I've concluded so far that<br />
<br />
2.5.2 is definitley group 24 item 22<br />
3.1 is definitley group 22 item 24<br />
3.0 is definitley group 23 item 24<br />
<br />
I presume that if we had a confirmation of 2.5.1, Alphawolf could update his script to indentify the OS, and then apply the appropriate resource hack for the specific os version.<br />
<br />
His idea of parsing the entire /SwSystem/ACTIVE looking for the 1800 is grwat, but it seems to take a lot of processing time, and we can prove the group/item is a constant.<br />
<br />
Now if someone smarter than me could fix the progress meter problem, we'd be able to get this out to all the kids in the audience. Without that, it doesn't seem ready for primetime.<br />
<br />
<br />
edit:<br />
<br />
I just tried my hand at defining the software version and addressing the group/item based on the constants that I knew.  Obviously it can be modded to add version 2.5.1 once we confirm it.<br />
<br />
Comments?<br />
<br />
Suggestions?<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
After a rather informative conversation with embeem it would seem that the group and item order are consistent across same versions of Tivo software.<br />
<br />
I've concluded so far that<br />
<br />
2.5.2 is definitley group 24 item 22<br />
3.1 is definitley group 22 item 24<br />
3.0 is definitley group 23 item 24<br />
<br />
I presume that if we had a confirmation of 2.5.1, Alphawolf could update his script to indentify the OS, and then apply the appropriate resource hack for the specific os version.<br />
<br />
His idea of parsing the entire /SwSystem/ACTIVE looking for the 1800 is grwat, but it seems to take a lot of processing time, and we can prove the group/item is a constant.<br />
<br />
Now if someone smarter than me could fix the progress meter problem, we'd be able to get this out to all the kids in the audience. Without that, it doesn't seem ready for primetime.<br />
<br />
<br />
edit:<br />
<br />
I just tried my hand at defining the software version and addressing the group/item based on the constants that I knew.  Obviously it can be modded to add version 2.5.1 once we confirm it.<br />
<br />
Comments?<br />
<br />
Suggestions?<br />
<br />
<br />
edit #2:<br />
<br />
I would like to solicit hellp with my goddamn braces and formating.  I uploaded a new version that still doesn't work (yeah, yeah, I know I shoulda tested it before I uploaded it)<br />
<br />
Where the hell is my mistake?<br />
<br />
And will it even work when it's coded properly?<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
OK.<br />
<br />
Fixed it.<br />
<br />
I was apparently just up too late last night.<br />
<br />
This has been tested on 3.1 and 2.5.2 but not on 3.0  I would love to get the group/item for 2.5.1<br />
<br />
Hope it's what we're lookin for.<br />
Great. I think AlphaWolf said he he had an idea to fix the progress bar.Great. I think AlphaWolf said he he had an idea to fix the progress bar. Maybe I'll extreme a drive tonight and see if I can get those values for 2.5.1embeem<br />
<br />
I just did a straight extreme install, and it appears that the values for 2.5.1 are the same as 2.5.2. [24 &amp; 22]GREAT !<br />
<br />
I just finished working with embeem (great teacher, BTW) on some code that will tend to all versions of DTivo.<br />
<br />
I haven't checked it on any SA yet, but I'd be interested to see if it works there too.<br />
<br />
I'm going to post the script here for comments and whatnot, and if no one has any major complaints, I'm going to get it out into the wild in the next day or so.  It will be released as a DTivo script, but folks can try it on an SA and get back to me.<br />
<br />
Thank to everyone for all your help<br />
<br />
JJ BlissWell, after looking at /tvlib/tcl/tv/unbundler.tcl, I come to the conclusion that there are two types.<br />
<br />
SOFTWARE_xxx,1,0x11111 is a blowfish key<br />
BACKHAUL_THUMBS-xxxx,2,0xffffffff is a ElGamal key<br />
<br />
Also, unbundler.tcl does not work under 3.0, it needs to be changed to point to /State/ServiceConfig instead of /Setup.<br />
<br />
After that, unbundling the .snow.bnd files works.<br />
<br />
I used:<br />
<br />
tivosh<br />
% source unbundler.tcl<br />
% unbundle package.snow.bnd<br />
% exit<br />
<br />
It left package.snow in the current directory.<br />
This is probably a bit dangerous, but what about having the noscramble modules do an in-place writeback after idescramble has decrypted the data?  This would mean you'd have to be damn careful and let the tivo play the program uninterrupted or all sorts of hell would break loose.  For this to work, it would depend absolutely on every sector in the stream to be read exactly once.  I have no idea if this is what happens or not.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, finding the method that the key is passed to idescramble would mean that it could presumably be manually configured for an extraction pass.  You wouldn't have to break the key generation system if you could sniff the key as it was passed into idescramble at play time, and then when extracting you could replay the same key.<br />
<br />
Thirdly, if the method of generating the key passing it to idescramble is found, then perhaps it can be traced back and defeated in the binary - a bit like MuscleNerd's binary edits to enable backdoor mode etc.  Having the tivo intentionally record unencrypted streams in the first place (ie: no CommercialSkipOffset etc) would be the holy grail (and probably the most work).  That would mean no more messing around with turning noscramble on/off as the tivo would essentially record unencrypted (like 2.0) streams.<br />
<br />
Sigh, so many things that are easier said than done.  I wish I understood PPC asm better.<br />
OK, please pardon me if I'm off base, but is there even a chance that this research might lead to being able to unscramble existing scrambled streams?<br />
<br />
THAT would be the Holy Grail, IMHO. I've got four freakin' DTivos loaded with scrambled stuff that I'd LOVE to &quot;liberate&quot;.<br />
<br />
BradDarkHelmet:<br />
<br />
much easier/safer to simply descramble while extracting.  the extraction utility could either transfer the recording out to a pc or copy it into a new recording in the same tivo.  no need to overwrite or delete the original until you've the copy hase been verified to play/convert properly.<br />
<br />
<br />
the tivo automatically descrambles recordings for playback, really all that's needed is to duplicate that process in mfs_export.  descrambling streams w/o using the tivo is a whole nother level of headache...<br />
<br />
<br />
bnelson:<br />
<br />
you can extract/insert those scrambled recs right now as tmf files via mfs_ftp.  they'll only play on the box they were recorded on and you probably want to backup the DiskConfiguration keys for each unit (use the utils I posted above) in case of a sw update or drive crash<br />
<br />
won't get you mpg yet, but you can archive / offload them &amp; use the drivespace for other things until somebody jumps out of the tub naked yelling eureka &amp; waving the mfs_export_descramble source <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"><br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
RileyDarkHelmet:<br />
<br />
much easier/safer to simply descramble while extracting.  the extraction utility could either transfer the recording out to a pc or copy it into a new recording in the same tivo.  no need to overwrite or delete the original until the copy hase been verified to play/convert properly.<br />
<br />
<br />
the tivo automatically descrambles recordings for playback, really all that's needed is to duplicate that process in mfs_export.  descrambling streams w/o using the tivo is a whole nother level of headache...<br />
<br />
<br />
bnelson:<br />
<br />
you can extract/insert those scrambled recs right now as tmf files via mfs_ftp.  they'll only play on the box they were recorded on and you probably want to backup the DiskConfiguration keys for each unit (use the utils I posted above) in case of a sw update or drive crash<br />
<br />
won't get you mpg yet, but you can archive / offload them &amp; use the drivespace for other things until somebody jumps out of the tub naked yelling eureka &amp; waving the mfs_export_descramble source <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"><br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
RileySomewhere in the rodata section of tivoapp is a DiskConfigurations table (not to be confused with the singular &quot;DiskConfiguration&quot; object that holds encryption info.  Three cheers for security through obscurity).  The table is used to determine how much of the total Media region to devote to the three virtual partitions:<br />
<font face="Courier"><pre>
   Partition 10 - User recordings
   Partition 11 - TiVo clips
   Partition 12 - Replaceable Backgrounds
</pre></font><br />
The IDB data reported to the TiVo service via /tmp/HServer.send has a portion that looks something like the following example.  The added comments emphasize that some of the values are reported in terms of sectors (512 bytes), and some in terms of KB.<br />
<font face="Courier"><pre>
   IDB_MFS_TOTAPP: 785152      # sectors
   IDB_MFS_AVAILAPP: 644504    # sectors
   IDB_MFS_TOTMEDIA: 85938176  # sectors
   IDB_MFS_AVAILMEDIA: 4427776 # sectors
   IDB_MFS_TOTCLIPS: 7675688   # KB
   IDB_MFS_AVAILCLIPS: 1759016 # KB
   IDB_MFS_TOTRBACKS: 102400   # KB
   IDB_MFS_AVAILRBACKS: 102400 # KB
</pre></font><br />
So in the above example the overall Media region has 85938176 sectors (which is 42969088 KB, which I call &quot;MediaTotalKB&quot;) allocated to it. That 42GB is split up between User, TiVoClips, and RB using the DiskConfigurations table.<br />
<br />
Each entry in the table has five elements, all in units of KB:<br />
<font face="Courier"><pre>     RangeBegin,RangeEnd,MaxUser,MaxClips,MaxRB
</pre></font><br />
The MediaTotalKB is range checked against the first two elements.  If it falls in the given range, the next three elements are used for the computation.  One and only one table entry should succeed with the range check.<br />
<br />
So, now we know which table entry to use.  If MaxUser, MaxClips, and MaxRB are all non-negative, then that's it -- there's nothing left to decide and those values are used as the sizes of the three virtual partitions.  If one of the three is -1, then it is computed by subtracting the other two from MediaTotalKB.  It's not legal to have more than one of the three be -1.<br />
<br />
<u><b>Finding the table in tivoapp</b></u><br />
<br />
Look in the .rodata of tivoapp.  The first table entry starts out with 0x00000000 and then 0x0007a120.  The second table entry starts out with 0x0007a120.<br />
<br />
In tivoapp v3.0-01-1-000, it appears at VMA 1e12ee0:<br />
<font face="Courier"><pre>
   00000000 0007A120 FFFFFFFF 00000000 00000000
   0007A120 00BAC480 FFFFFFFF 00041000 00000000
   00BAC480 00D59F80 00B69000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
   00D59F80 0112A880 FFFFFFFF 003B7B40 00000000
   0112A880 014FB180 01053400 FFFFFFFF 00000000
   014FB180 01851960 FFFFFFFF 003B7B40 00000000
   01851960 01879960 017FDC00 FFFFFFFF 00000000
   01879960 018AA6A0 0182A000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
   018AA6A0 019BFCC0 017BA000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
   019BFCC0 01AB3F00 017BA000 FFFFFFFF 00019000
   01AB3F00 01BA8140 01837000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
   01BA8140 02349340 FFFFFFFF 002CCCCC 00000000
   02349340 0243D580 0218F8D8 FFFFFFFF 00019000
   0243D580 024E83E0 01E32575 FFFFFFFF 00019000
   024E83E0 0277B6C0 FFFFFFFF 002E30CC 00000000
   0277B6C0 02963B40 0218F8D8 FFFFFFFF 00019000
   02963B40 03567E00 FFFFFFFF 00400000 00000000
   03567E00 038444C0 02DF8000 FFFFFFFF 00000000
   038444C0 7FFFFFFF FFFFFFFF 00989680 00000000
</pre></font><br />
That table converted to signed longs is:<br />
<font face="Courier"><pre>
MediaTotal     MediaTotal
RangeBegin       RangeEnd    MaxUser   MaxClips  MaxRB
        0          500000         -1          0      0
   500000        12240000         -1     266240      0
 12240000        14000000   11964416         -1      0
 14000000        18000000         -1    3898176      0
 18000000        22000000   17118208         -1      0
 22000000        25500000         -1    3898176      0
 25500000        25663840   25156608         -1      0
 25663840        25863840   25337856         -1      0
 25863840        27000000   24879104         -1      0    
 27000000        28000000   24879104         -1 102400
 28000000        29000000   25391104         -1      0
 29000000        37000000         -1    2936012      0
 37000000        38000000   35191000         -1 102400
 38000000        38700000   31663477         -1 102400
 38700000        41400000         -1    3027148      0
 41400000        43400000   35191000         -1 102400
 43400000        56000000         -1    4194304      0
 56000000        59000000   48201728         -1      0
 59000000      2147483647         -1   10000000      0 
</pre></font><br />
 Notes:<br />
<ol type="1">
<li> Units are KB (#sectors / 2)
<li> The actual MediaTotalKB is checked against the given ranges until a matching config is found.
<li>There can at most a single &quot;-1&quot; size per config. The &quot;-1&quot; sizes are computed: computedKB = MediaTotalKB sum(other_two_Max_sizes)</ol><br />
<u><b>Example</b></u><br />
<br />
With MediaTotalKB=42969088 as in the above example, the following table entry matches the range check:<br />
<font face="Courier"><pre>
MediaTotal     MediaTotal
RangeBegin       RangeEnd    MaxUser   MaxClips  MaxRB
 41400000        43400000   35191000         -1 102400
</pre></font><br />
So, MaxClips = 42969088 - (35191000 + 102400) = 7675688.  This is what we expected, because HServer.send showed IDB_MFS_TOTCLIPS=7675688. Also, that 102400 matches IDB_MFS_TOTRBACKS=102400.<br />
<br />
Only 35.1GB of the 42.9GB available will be devoted to User recordings.  <br />
<br />
If MaxRB is set to 0 in the above table by patching tivoapp, that 102MB saved will go towards the TiVoClips partition, not User.  So either MaxUser needs to be incremented by 102400 at the same time, or MaxClips and MaxRB must both be set to non-zero values, and MaxUser set to -1.For a nice graph depicting the results of all this, see <a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1255290#post1255290" target="_blank">lightn's AVS post</a>rc3105:<br />
<br />
One potential problem though..  we dont even know how the keys are uploaded to idescramble and whether its possible to do it concurrently.  It may only be possible to unscramble one thing at a time, which would mean that you'd have to guarantee that the tivo doesn't attempt to playback something while you were extracting or decrypting.  ie: stop live tv etc.<br />
<br />
BTW; do we even know if its hardware or software scrambling?  If the mediaswitch asic does the encryption/decryption and idescramble just handles the keying etc, then obviously the unscrambling is going to have to be done by the tivo itself.  If its software in idesscramble, then that opens up all sorts of interesting possibilities.The way I understand it is that the kernel functions as a layer connecting tivoapp, the mediaswitch, and the hard disk. Tivoapp sends data for writing to the HDD to the kernel, along with the keys its supposed to encrypt it with. The kernel then sends all of this to the mediaswitch for processing, then receives the resulting data, and writes it to the hard disk. The opposite of this happens when a read operation is performed.<br />
<br />
The noscramble kernel patch works by making the kernel completely skip the mediaswitch step, hence, no matter what the keys are, unencrypted data is always written and read to and from the hard disk. This is also why you can't be in &quot;scramble&quot; mode and watch &quot;unscrambled&quot; streams, and vice versa.<br />
The way I understand it is that the kernel functions as a layer connecting tivoapp, the mediaswitch, and the hard disk. Tivoapp sends data for writing to the HDD to the kernel, along with the keys its supposed to encrypt it with. The kernel then sends all of this to the mediaswitch for processing, then receives the resulting data, and writes it to the hard disk. The opposite of this happens when a read operation is performed.<br />
<br />
The noscramble kernel patch works by making the kernel completely skip the mediaswitch step, hence, no matter what the keys are, unencrypted data is always written and read to and from the hard disk. (This is also why you can't be in &quot;scramble&quot; mode and watch &quot;unscrambled&quot; streams, and vice versa.)<br />
<br />
What we could do, is basicaly find out exactly how the keys are sent to the kernel for processing, and make it read the data from the hard disk for us, which would just give us the unencrypted tystream.The way I understand it is that the kernel functions as a layer connecting tivoapp, the mediaswitch, and the hard disk. Tivoapp sends data for writing to the HDD to the kernel, along with the keys its supposed to encrypt it with. The kernel then sends all of this to the mediaswitch for processing, then receives the resulting data, and writes it to the hard disk. The opposite of this happens when a read operation is performed.<br />
<br />
The noscramble kernel patch works by making the kernel completely skip the mediaswitch step, hence, no matter what the keys are, unencrypted data is always written and read to and from the hard disk. (This is also why you can't be in &quot;scramble&quot; mode and watch &quot;unscrambled&quot; streams, and vice versa.)<br />
<br />
What we could do, is basicaly find out exactly how the keys are sent to the kernel for processing (now that we have identified them), and make it read the data from the hard disk for us, which would just give us the unencrypted tystream.The way I understand it is that the kernel functions as a layer connecting tivoapp, the mediaswitch, and the hard disk. Tivoapp sends data for writing to the HDD to the kernel, along with the keys its supposed to encrypt it with. The kernel then sends all of this to the mediaswitch for processing, then receives the resulting data, and writes it to the hard disk. The opposite of this happens when a read operation is performed.<br />
<br />
The noscramble kernel patch works by making the kernel completely skip the mediaswitch step, hence, no matter what the keys are, unprocessed data is always written and read to and from the hard disk. (This is also why you can't be in &quot;scramble&quot; mode and watch &quot;unscrambled&quot; streams, and vice versa.)<br />
<br />
What we could do, is basicaly find out exactly how the keys are sent to the kernel for processing (now that we have identified them), and make it read the data from the hard disk for us, which would just give us the unencrypted tystream.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jkeegan wrote on Sat, 12 April 2003 00:33</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Cool.. Hadn't looked at the .res files before..<br />
<br />
Just added the following two lines to my tvres-3.0.res file:<br />
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<pre>
MenuTitles NowPlayingTitle 1 5
MenuTitles TiVoCentralTitle 1 6
</pre>..Jeff<br></td></tr></table><br />
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I'd realized a while ago this had a caveat but I hadn't realized I forgot to comment on it here..<br />
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This may be obvious to those who have looked-at/played-with the code to the Resource Editor, but the example I gave above isn't the best sub-menu title (MenuTitles).  The reason is that the current Resource Editor takes that subtitle and applies it to the entire ResourceGroup.  So for instance you couldn't have:<br />
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<pre>
MenuTitles NowPlayingTitle 1 5
</pre>and then some other submenu title also within resource group 1<pre>
OtherTitle OtherVal 1 x
</pre>The Resource Editor doesn't like this and only displays the first group listed. Just thought I'd mention this for anyone who saw the above example and decided to go creating their own for resources they've found.<br />
Since there is no submit button on each Resource Page, it took me a while to figure out that after you change the values in am edit box, you must hit enter (while the box still has focus/the cursor).  That triggers TivoWeb to actually do something and write the new value to a temporary location so eventualy, you can go to the main Resource page and hit Submit.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>MuscleNerd wrote on Tue, 10 September 2002 16:46</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>For some reason, your item numbers off by one relative to mine (my first item -- item 0 -- is a string like jnk27 reported).  But,<br />
for the purpose of this post, I'll use your numbering scheme.<br />
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I observed the following in the tivoapp disassembly:<br />
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Item 12: If 1, then something related to &quot;Advanced Program Guide&quot; is reported.<br />
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For me, Item 12 Enabled/Disabled Thumbs reporting.<br />
With item 12 set to 1, all of my Thumbs we gone, and with it suggestions, etc.<br />
With item 12 returned to 0, all of my previous Thumbs settings returned.as allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dd thread<br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank"> http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=83857#post83857</a><br />
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Rileyas allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dealdatabase thread<br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">  http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=83857#post83857</a><br />
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RileyWell, it turns out SuSE eval doesn't have GCC for some reason. I did find Lonix, which gets the job done on its bootable cd (login: root password: lonix for those who don't know any italian/spanish). It doesn't recognize tivo partitions all that well, so after compiling I have to boot with mfstools to test. <br />
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Here is an updated, debugged version of the bootpage wrapper, bootwrap.c. I tested it against the x86 bootpage. If someone can cross-compile it and see how it really works, I'd be most appreciative. It needs a 'bootpage.bak' in the path to work.Ok honestly this more a request for fsmake and realted files, or if anyone is nice enough the entire install partition <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"><br />
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The Reason I'm interested is I'd like my testbench tivo to be able to swap between 3.0 and 2.5.1, giving each of them their own MFS Media/Application region, my basic thoughts are this:<br />
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split the orginal media region into 2 new media, and 1 app. copy the orginal app to its brother. Rebuild the 2 media regions, and then let tivo upgrage to 3.0 and point 2.5 to its backup partitions.<br />
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I'm not sure how the boot parameters are changed by the update script, but I ran across something odd while trying my own script with the x86 compiled version of bootpage and bootwrap. I noticed that while trying to update the boot parameters, it tried to execute the monte!<br />
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If that's the case here, then the 'special' symbols $ and ` are causing a problem. Bootwrap could be modified so that it captures the stdout and removes those symbols, and when changing boot parameters only allows the root to change between 4 and 7.<br />
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I've already written something to do that, but I haven't tested it yet, and it may not be necessary.I'm not sure how the boot parameters are changed by the update script, but I ran across something odd while trying my own script with the x86 compiled version of bootpage and bootwrap. I noticed that while trying to update the boot parameters, it tried to execute the monte!<br />
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If that's the case here, then the 'special' symbols $ and ` are causing a problem. Bootwrap could be modified so that it captures the stdout and removes those symbols, and when changing boot parameters only allows the root to change between 4 and 7.<br />
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&lt;edit&gt; Indeed, if the boot parameters are read into a bash script variable and then that variable is used to set the boot parameters, they get mangled. It is safest if bootwrap doesn't allow changes to the boot parameters except swapping the root. So, if someone could cross-compile this I could test it. I'm working on a cross-compiler now.Just been thinking about this 1 hour buffer thing. It seems to work great, but we all notice the problems with the on-screen progress bar. It appears that the buffer has trouble displaying a complete one hour time-line on a one hour progress bar. If I remember correctly, the 30-min buffer used the one-hour progress bar (= buffer + :30) . So keeping that in mind, I wonder if the display problems would go away if we were to somehow increase the one-hour progress bar to 1 1/2 hours. And, to find that database entry, we would do a search for 3600 (the original progress bar size) and change it to 5400 (once again, = buffer + :30). Just a thought.Just been thinking about this 1 hour buffer thing. It seems to work great, but we all notice the problems with the on-screen progress bar. It appears that the TiVo has trouble displaying a complete one hour buffer on just a one hour progress bar. If I remember correctly, the 30-min buffer used the one-hour progress bar (= buffer + :30) . So keeping that in mind, I wonder if the display problems would go away if we were to somehow increase the one-hour progress bar to 1 1/2 hours. And, to find that database entry, we would do a search for 3600 (the original progress bar size) and change it to 5400 (once again, = buffer + :30). Just a thought.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>SR712 wrote on Sat, 16 August 2003 17:32</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Just been thinking about this 1 hour buffer thing. It seems to work great, but we all notice the problems with the on-screen progress bar. It appears that the TiVo has trouble displaying a complete one hour buffer on just a one hour progress bar. If I remember correctly, the 30-min buffer used the one-hour progress bar (= buffer + :30) . So keeping that in mind, I wonder if the display problems would go away if we were to somehow increase the one-hour progress bar to 1 1/2 hours. And, to find that database entry, we would do a search for 3600 (the original progress bar size) and change it to 5400 (once again, = buffer + :30). Just a thought.<br></td></tr></table><br />
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I tried that, it doesn't work. Here is something I do know from experimenting with tystream insertion though, the tivo doesn't care what the database indicates the stream size as being when it displays the progress bar, it always checks one of the numbers in the header of the master chunk. Fixing that will probably involve hacking tivoapp to make the default stream length longer.OK. Is the Master Chunk in the beginning of the stream? If so, then how does TiVo handle this correctly ? ....<br />
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Schedule a recording, say :10 duration.<br />
After it starts, (the first part of the file has already been written, and as far as it knew, the recording was :10)<br />
Go to Now Playing, Change Recording Options, and add :05 to the recording length. Accept the changes...<br />
Let it finish.<br />
Now when you go into Now Playing and play it, TiVo knows that the recording was actually :15. And, so does the progress bar.<br />
So, does TiVo actually go back and rewrite the initial header, or does it get this info from the end of the file, maybe?<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>SR712 wrote on Sun, 17 August 2003 12:09</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>OK. Is the Master Chunk in the beginning of the stream? If so, then how does TiVo handle this correctly ? ....<br />
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Schedule a recording, say :10 duration.<br />
After it starts, (the first part of the file has already been written, and as far as it knew, the recording was :10)<br />
Go to Now Playing, Change Recording Options, and add :05 to the recording length. Accept the changes...<br />
Let it finish.<br />
Now when you go into Now Playing and play it, TiVo knows that the recording was actually :15. And, so does the progress bar.<br />
So, does TiVo actually go back and rewrite the initial header, or does it get this info from the end of the file, maybe?<br />
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Well, the master chunk is the first 128KB of the tystream, the header of it is the first 32 bytes. I did a little investigating, and didn't see any of the numbers in that area change when I adjusted the recording end time...perhapse the header of the master chunk doesn't determine that then, it could be the bitmap fields themselves that determine it, but it doesn't care about those while the recording is in progress, only when it attempts to play an old recording? *shrug*as allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dealdatabase thread<br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">   http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=83857#post83857</a><br />
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RileyI think I got the precompiled toolchain to work on a FAT32 partition, the MFSTools2 boot disk, and a copy of bzip2. Thus, anyone who can backup/restore their Tivos can compile programs for it.<br />
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The obstacles were that symlinks don't work on FAT32 partitions, so I wrote a script that fixes it by making copies. You need bunzip2 the tarball first, since it isn't included on the boot disk.<br />
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Once its set up, the script can be run after each boot in order to put a symlink in the /usr/local directory to point at the cross-compiler directory.<br />
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Thanks, Subuni!<br />
as allways, please post any setup/usage questions in the corresponding dealdatabase thread<br />
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here's the main thread for s1 usage<br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">    http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;post id=83857#post83857</a><br />
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here's the thread for S2 issues<br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424&amp;highlight=support" target="_blank"> http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=23424&amp;highlight=support</a><br />
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Rileyhere's the latest incarnation of mfs_import that's been cleaned up quite a bit my mbm - streamlined for speed and the error checking to deal with tytool corruption has been dropped<br />
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this is the mfs_import to use with import.tcl, also works with mfs_ftp 1.2.8f on S1 or S2.  the next revision of mfs_stdinsert will probably be be based on this<br />
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Riley<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp S1 &amp; general discussion</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">mfs_ftp S1 &amp; general discussion</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp S1 usage &amp; general discussion</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">MFS-FTP on Series 2 Units</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp S1 usage &amp; general discussion</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">MFS-FTP on Series 2 Units</a><br />
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rename mfs_import to mfs_stdinsert of use with mfs_ftp 1.2.6f<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp S1 usage &amp; general discussion</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">MFS-FTP on Series 2 Units</a><br />
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rename mfs_import to mfs_stdinsert for use with mfs_ftp 1.2.6f<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp general discussion &amp; s1 usage</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">MFS-FTP on Series 2 Units</a><br />
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rename mfs_import to mfs_stdinsert for use with mfs_ftp 1.2.6f&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended (the mfs_ftp native ty extraction format) &amp; indexes it by series/episode/date in c:\extracts\series\episode as it does so<br />
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kinda handy since mfs_ftp is the only prog so far that actually uses tmf files.  tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles.  these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later<br />
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if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path.  these are tcl paths so use forward slashes like so<br />
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x:/extracts/<br />
d:/my_recordings/<br />
v:/video_files/&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe runs under windows &amp; converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended<br />
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mfs_ftp &amp; cwingert's HMO are the only programs so far that can directly use tmf files. tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles. these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later<br />
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if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path. these are tcl paths so use forward slashes like so<br />
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x:/extracts/ <br />
d:/my_recordings/ <br />
v:/video_files/ this version of mfs_ftp only supports insert, no extract capability (for those wacky censors over at avs).  check the first post for the current full versionhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
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recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
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REQUIREMENTS:<br />
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mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
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the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existinsert only, no extract capability for those wacky censors over at avsS1 binariesS1 binaries &amp; cross platform tclinsert only, no extract capability for those wacky censors over at <a href="http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=123245" target="_blank">tivocommunity</a><br />
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and here's the <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=80&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start=0#msg_518" target="_blank">&quot;official&quot;</a> thread here for the insert only version<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">mfs_ftp.tcl.gz</a>allows you to insert video INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client<br />
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this is the <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">thread</a> for the latest version, support files &amp; installation/usage discussion<br />
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Riley<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=128&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77" target="_blank">mfs_ftp.tcl.gz</a>  allows you to restore recordings INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client<br />
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this is the <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">thread</a> for the latest version, support files &amp; installation/usage discussion.  please don't post here<br />
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RileyYou people really have nutin better to do then stupid ass fuckin shit. I hope u all fukin die and eat shit in hell. Grow up get jobs get a life have sex have children and fuckin crist get laid. Fuck u stupid as pieces of shit r the reason our world is run by a bunch of flat landers like george fuckin bush. You will all burn in hell for all the stupid shit youve said in your lifetimes.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dumbass wrote on Sun, 31 August 2003 18:29</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>You people really have nutin better to do then stupid ass fuckin shit. I hope u all fukin die and eat shit in hell. Grow up get jobs get a life have sex have children and fuckin crist get laid. Fuck u stupid as pieces of shit r the reason our world is run by a bunch of flat landers like george fuckin bush. You will all burn in hell for all the stupid shit youve said in your lifetimes.<br></td></tr></table><br />
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dumbass you are a bad manu should not say bad words im am going to tell my mommy on you haha. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil"> Fuck you u piece of shit. How bout this i will tell her myself her lips are wrapped around my dick right now. Damm i have to say ur mom gives the best head ever. I wish all of there moms gave head like thjis too then i wouldnt have to worry about these dumbasses runnin out fuckin country because i will be so wrapped up in my own pleasures not to even care about what stupid fucked up shit they have to say and what fucked up ideas they have running threw there small little adolecent minds.my mommy said she'll suck you you fucking nigger shes right here she just told me she'll suck u till you say stop ho shes wants to fuck you till u die &amp; this website loves to suck on big nigger cocksbring it i like tight pussy n e way u fukin fagget.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>dtype wrote on Thu, 01 August 2002 10:20</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>First, you've been duped. This is the forum FAQ, but is not laid out like one. It is more of an introduction and rules list. Regardless...<br />
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<b>Introduction</b><br />
<br />
Welcome. We created this forum to be more developer-centric than other TiVo forums. The focus is on academic discussion of code and techniques as well as documentation of internals, rather than the typical end user issues.<br />
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We firmly believe in sharing information whenever possible, to this extent we require all programs discussed in this forum must be available under an Open source license and no attempt shall be made to obfuscate them. There may be some exception to these rules in the case of specific code whose source may get the author in legal hot water. These will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.<br />
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<b>Legal</b><br />
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I am not a lawyer, and more specifically, I am not _your_ lawyer. Anything posted here is at your own risk. I do, however, believe heavily in free speech, and am prepared to do what I can to ensure that discussion on this board is unfettered by misinterpretation of copyright law. I encourage code to be posted to the board itself. If and when I get a takedown request, I'll deal with that using advice from my own lawyers. In general, I'm happy to provide space to host code which was legally independently develeloped, both on this forum and via ftp or a separate site upon request.<br />
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This board is _not_ for posting implementations that move beyond development on a TiVo platform, or with little or no academic value beyond illegal activities. Some things are beyond a fair use or reverse-engineering argument. For instance, posting of keys for obtaining free satellite service serves no purpose other than to avoid payment for service. On the other hand, video extraction talk may be appropriate, limited to the software development aspects. <br />
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<b>Purpose</b><br />
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The TiVo is a PVR, and this forum is designed to enhance TiVo's use as a PVR, and generally help people to tinker with the thing as geeks are inclined to do.<br />
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i smell a no life u suck ur dad till his  cock turns purple u fucking pussy hater i hope people like u die &amp; burn in hell There is a effort to compile a Tivo Series 2 Handbook for<br />
programmers that documents the hardware and software of the <br />
Series 2.<br />
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  <a href="http://geocities/todd2222a" target="_blank">http://geocities/todd2222a</a><br />
<br />
It seems to be a work in progress, but has some good stuff.I was unable to get to the TivoLinux page (URL not found).<br />
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By the way, there is a Tivo Series 2 Handbook -- in progress--<br />
at:<br />
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  <a href="http://geocities.com/todd2222a" target="_blank">http://geocities.com/todd2222a</a><br />
OzTivo Mailing list. PAL modification, etc.:<br />
<a href="http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/oztivo" target="_blank">http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/oztivo</a><br />
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TiVo in Canada. Nice, long howto:<br />
<a href="http://www.tivocanada.com/" target="_blank">http://www.tivocanada.com/</a>FYI,<br />
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Sony DT 3.1:<br />
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<pre>29 0 [serial#]
29 1 1
29 2 1
29 3 1
29 4 0
29 5 1
29 6 1
29 7 1
29 8 0
29 9 0
29 10 0
29 11 1
29 12 1
29 13 1
29 14 1
29 15 1
29 16 1
29 17 0
29 18 0
29 19 1
29 20 0
29 21 0
29 22 0
29 23 0
29 24 0
29 25 0
29 26 0
29 27 0
29 28 0
29 29 0
29 30 0
29 31 0
29 32 1
29 33 0
29 34 1
29 35 1</pre><br />
gonna start toggling stuff to find the phillips remote enable.  anybody with a bone they've licked clean, feel free to throw it at me <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy">FYI,<br />
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Sony DT 3.1:<br />
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<pre>29 0 [serial#]
29 1 1
29 2 1
29 3 1
29 4 0
29 5 1
29 6 1
29 7 1
29 8 0
29 9 0
29 10 0
29 11 1
29 12 1
29 13 1
29 14 1
29 15 1
29 16 1
29 17 0
29 18 0
29 19 1
29 20 0
29 21 0
29 22 0
29 23 0
29 24 0
29 25 0
29 26 0
29 27 0
29 28 0
29 29 0
29 30 0
29 31 0
29 32 1
29 33 0
29 34 1
29 35 1</pre><br />
gonna start toggling stuff to find the phillips remote enable.  anybody with a bone they've licked clean, feel free to throw it at me <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"><br />
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EDIT: 1-&gt;0, 4-&gt;1, philips remote is workingBeen playing with my Sony svr-2000, and my hdr-112, a bit more recently, and all I can come to is that there is some difference between the phillips and the sony software that does not allow the buffer hack, but I was under the impression that they where identical. any ideas how? whhy?There is a effort to compile a Tivo Series 2 Handbook for<br />
programmers that documents the hardware and software of the <br />
Series 2.<br />
<br />
  <a href="http://geocities/todd2222a" target="_blank">http://geocities/todd2222a</a><br />
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It seems to be a work in progress, but has some good stuff.<br />
(The link to the document itself has been fixed now.)hmm... just poped the Sony HD with the working buffer hack into the philips and the philips buffer doesn't work, hmm I'm stumped<br />
I'd always assumed that all the software was compiled from the same source with just slight differences in the mfs.Well the software being identical isn't surprising in the least, but isn't the hardware in the Sony and the Philips identical too? So why does this buffer hack work in one but not the other?I've been working on a DirectShow demux filter for Tivo media that will basically allow you to watch .TY files in Windows Media Player.  I'm making some really good progress with it.<br />
<br />
However, I've been working on implementing seeking in the filter and in the process, I've found some anomolies in the Part Header (sorry, you guys call it the Master Chunk)'s sequence bitmap.<br />
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It appears that there are Chunks that contain sequences which simply do now appear marked in the bitmap.  They are very infrequent but they are a condition which does exist.  I just found these late last night and, although it isn't an issue with the filter I'm working on, I thought I should mention it here.<br />
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I haven't done enough testing to understand the exact conditions why this is occuring but my initial findings suggest that when a Sequence header occurs in the chunk but the GOP is in the next chunk then the Sequence header is not added to the bitmap.<br />
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I'll update more here as I find more details.<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>subuni wrote on Sat, 12 April 2003 01:12</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>As far as building kernels, the toolchain works fine for that.  I'd have to assume it's something on your end, such as not having the proper CFLAGS in use. Easiest solution is to use the ism crud that TiVo supplied in the TIVO_2_0.tgz file (tivo.com/linux/).  In linux-2.4/ismdefs, point ROOT to the location of cmd/root (located in the forementioned file).  Edit the cmd/root/include/make/commondefs file per your local environment, and then try building the kernel.  Should work. <br></td></tr></table>Hi subuni, I've got a functional cross compiler built (well, installed from the tarball on tivoutils.sf.net), and while I can make working binaries of simple programs, I'm still having trouble building the kernel. Can you share your changes to commondefs, and/or more info on how you got the build environment such that you can build kernels?<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
<br />
Brad<br />
&quot;compiled&quot; with the freewrap runtime library, tmf2ty_cfg.exe runs under windows &amp; converts a tmf file into a ty with the xml data appended<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp &amp; cwingert's HMO are the only programs so far that can directly use tmf files. tystudio, tytool &amp; mplayer all want tyfiles. these ty+ are TOTALLY compatible with these utilities and insertable with mfs_ftp 1.2.6 &amp; later<br />
<br />
if savepath.txt is found in the same directory with tmf2ty_cfg.exe it reads the first line of the file and uses that as the output path. these are tcl paths so use forward slashes like so<br />
<br />
x:/extracts/ <br />
d:/my_recordings/ <br />
v:/video_files/ here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to exist<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp general discussion &amp; s1 usage</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">MFS-FTP on Series 2 Units</a>Don't forget the OZTIVO wiki at <a href="http://minnie.tuhs.org/TiVo" target="_blank">http://minnie.tuhs.org/TiVo</a>Hi all<br />
<br />
I'am looking for the source code for cron, I found this post.<br />
<br />
Then found this..<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=16217&amp;highlight=source" target="_blank"> http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;thre adid=16217&amp;highlight=source</a><br />
<br />
And have searched both sites and found nothing.<br />
am i missing something here, is the source posted somewhere.. ?<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
  fprintf<br />
here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existI was able to find the source on the web.  I've got it at home and I've been able to compile it for my series 2 hdvr.<br />
<br />
I'll bring it in tomorrow and would be willing to send it to you.Hi D7<br />
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That would be great, thanks alot.<br />
<br />
fprintfS1 binaries &amp; cross platform tcl<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>KaneTheGerman wrote on Mon, 21 April 2003 15:19</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Hi,<br />
<br />
there is no longer a working sendkey command (the new tcl script file complains that /devbin/sendkey can not be found). Therefore I have had a deeper look at the compiled tivoapp and detected a number of strings which show that there may be a way to send keys and other commands over tcp. Has anyone experience with that?<br />
<br />
On the other hand any hint how I can build my own sendkey and/or text2osd would be very nice. Anyone else having this problems with the home media oiption ?<br />
<br />
KaneTheGerman<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
<br />
What are you using to decompile?<br />
<br />
NutKasehere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existcvs style synchronize &amp; revision management, mirroring, proxy with allowances for quirks in the most popular clients, mapping tape &amp; changer media into an overarching &quot;filesystem&quot;<br />
<br />
the name says it all, am I nuts or onto something?<br />
<br />
feel free to point me towards a university comp dept where they did it 15 years ago...  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"><br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
Rileyare you suggesting rsync for keeping tivo files up to date (such as checking for new versions of mfs_ftp), or are you just asking in general?just sorta brainstorming in general.  new utilities &amp; applications<br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
RileyVery interesting.  Got the JTAG pinout?  What version of Dtivo?  You realize who REALLY needs a JTAG right is the Tivo2 camp:)<br />
We could flash the eprom that way... Tivo has to do that somehow right and most companies use a JTAG to init a prom at the factory.<br />
-Chris<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>chrsturbo wrote on Sat, 20 September 2003 11:38</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Very interesting.  Got the JTAG pinout?  What version of Dtivo?  You realize who REALLY needs a JTAG right is the Tivo2 camp:)<br />
We could flash the eprom that way... Tivo has to do that somehow right and most companies use a JTAG to init a prom at the factory.<br />
-Chris<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
not necessarily. the investigations that I have noticed have shown that the signals needed to flash the 37 series proms either don't exist on the board, or aren't the right logic levels. its very easy to get chips pre-flashed from a factory.<br />
<br />
the dtivo pinout information is on that penguinppc.org website mentioned in the first post, and it is s1 dtivos that he is reffering to.I was curious about what would be the best TiVo development environment for me...  <br />
<br />
I am currently a Windos NT C/C++ developer with 25 years experience with everything from 6502 Apples, Atari 2600's, Nintendos, (old) Macs, x86 DOS, PDP-11s, RSTS, and Alpha and Vax VMS.  I have had limited experience with Linux (mostly via the TiVo command line interface).<br />
<br />
I have a couple of little apps I would like to write for the TiVo.  I took a stab at writing them as bash scripts.  But I think I would rather develop them in C.<br />
<br />
I have a VERY old Mac PowerPC burried somewhere in my closet.  I have plenty of HD space on my Windows XP PC.  And I have an extra SA1 TiVo (with a TurboNet card in it).<br />
<br />
I would prefer a development environment that will run on my Windows XP machine.  But I haven't had much luck finding a cross compiler for it.  I wouldn't mind doing the compiles on the TiVO, if it is powerful enough to do it.  And failing those options... if there is a (free) PowerPC version of linux that will run on my old Mac PowerPC, I could even do that (though I would rather not).<br />
<br />
If you can give me the names of the software I need, I can search the web for it.  But it would be really nice if you could post links...<br />
<br />
Thanks!<br />
I have succesfully built MIPS cross-compiler for S2 Tivos on Windows XP.  Please take a look at <a href="http://dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=27280&amp;highlight=cygwin+compiler" target="_blank"> http://dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid =27280&amp;highlight=cygwin+compiler</a>.  You need to do the same for PowerPC.<br />
<br />
Just install Cygwin environment from <a href="http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe" target="_blank">http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe</a>, and try to compile a cross-compiler for PowerPC.  Prepare to tweak scripts and makefiles a lot.<br />
<br />
Other references that may help: <a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tivoutils/native_compiler_tivo.tar.gz?download" target="_blank"> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tivoutils/native_compiler _tivo.tar.gz?download</a>, <a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tivoutils/native_compiler_tivo.tar.gz?download" target="_blank"> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tivoutils/native_compiler _tivo.tar.gz?download</a>, <a href="http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/</a>.  I haven't tried those, since I have S2.I have succesfully built MIPS cross-compiler for S2 Tivos on Windows XP.  Please take a look at <a href="http://dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=27280&amp;highlight=cygwin+compiler" target="_blank">MIPS Tivo cross compiler on cygwin</a>.  You need to do the same for PowerPC.<br />
<br />
Just install Cygwin environment from <a href="http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe" target="_blank">http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe</a>, and try to compile a cross-compiler for PowerPC.  Prepare to tweak scripts and makefiles a lot.<br />
<br />
Other references that may help: <a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tivoutils/usr.local.powerpc-tivo.tar.bz2?download" target="_blank">x86 cross compiler for Series 1</a>, <a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tivoutils/native_compiler_tivo.tar.gz?download" target="_blank">Native Compiler for Series 1</a>, <a href="http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/</a>.  I haven't tried those, since I have S2.here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existSo I am trying to get tystudio running on a S2.  tydemux seems to be ok at splitting S2 tys.  And I get video but it can't seem to index them for tyeditor or tyindex (tivo side server).  They use the same code and it is failing looking for a Iframe PES record in each chunk.<br />
From what I've read S2s embed the PES into the record instead of in a separate record.  So the question I have is to replicate the index if I just mark the Iframes and then fix the PES decode or will it need to find a index mark some other way?  When I let it just use the Iframe and assume the PES is in the frame I die later with a:<br />
<br />
tyeditor: tydemuxclass.cpp:302: gop_index_t* CDemuxInterface::get_CurrentGopIndex(): Assertion `m_AvgTicksPerGOP' failed.<br />
<br />
Which I belive means Im indexing all the I frames in a GOP. Too many I assume.  So I need to find why a PES before I-frame makes a good index in a S1 and what the similar condition is in a S2 ty.here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existI've been playing around with IDA Pro and pulling the binaries apart.  I've been unwinding things back up from magic string references and syscalls, but ouch.. obviously, there is a lot of work to do for this approach..  I should probably look at the idescramble stuff too but haven't even started with that yet.<br />
<br />
Surely somebody must have attacked the binaries before?  It seems an awful waste to try doing this from scratch if chunks have already been done.Catcher, so what did you work out?<br />
<br />
DanI downloaded most of the software but haven't done much of anything with it.<br />
<br />
I started playing with TCL and it looks like I might be able most of what I want to do in it.  <br />
<br />
Half of my family likes to watch Smallville and the other half likes Enterprise.  Unfortunately (in my area) they are on at the same time (and NONE of us can stand TV in REAL TIME).  And since I have several wish lists scheduled that can end up recording shows at very unusual times.  Potentially resulting in the TiVo recording shows from one wishlist, when I would have rather it recorded another show (Priorities are nice, but in wish lists they are far from perfect).  I decided I needed to do something about the conflicts.<br />
<br />
I picked up a second TiVo very cheap on E-Bay.  And have latter learned that refurbished diskless TiVos can be purchased for well under $100.<br />
<br />
The second TiVo didn't really fix the problem.  The wish lists still ended up getting somethings I would have rather they didn't.  So I thought about it and decided the real trick is more than just 2 TiVos.  The real trick is 2 (or more) TiVos but one scheduler.<br />
<br />
I decided to write some code that will farm out recording conflicts to a second TiVo.  <br />
<br />
So far, I have written an extension to the TiVoWeb code that displays ONLY the programs that will not be recorded because they are pre-empted by other recordings with higher sub-priorities.  It lists the show that will NOT be recorded, it's sub-priority, channel, time, length, and FSID.<br />
<br />
I have also gathered all the TCL code from the TiVoWeb interface dealing with scheduling recording and resolving conflicts.  <br />
<br />
Now, I am attempting to create an extension to TiVoWeb that can be called with Time, Length, Channel, and Sub-Priority that will manually schedule a program to record (if the sub-priority is higher than anything else scheduled to record at that time).<br />
<br />
After I have finished writting and debugging the manually recording code.  I am planning on changing the code in the page that displays the conflicts from listing code to code that sends out URLs.  I will set up a CRON job on the primary TiVo that farms out URLs to the second TiVo's TiVoWeb page that does manual recordings.<br />
<br />
As long as the TCL code can do what I want, I may end up not needing a Cross Compiler (yet).  <br />
<br />
The next logical extension to this is the ability to play the recordings from one TiVo on another.  Since both TiVos have TurboNet cards the required bandwidth shouldn't be a problem.  With luck it will be no more difficult than finding a network aware, block level device driver that will allow me to mount partitions from one TiVo on another.  But this is another project altogether.<br />
I recently got a Hughes HDVR2 DirecTivo, which I promptly hacked using the BASH_ENV trick.  Now I have telnet, tivoftpd, tivoweb, tytools, etc.  I wanted to access my TiVo from outside my LAN, but I didn't want to open it up for everyone, since neither telnet nor tivoftpd support authentication.<br />
<br />
The first thing I did once I got my cross-compiler working was to compile OpenSSH.  Of course, this meant compiling the required libraries as well (zlib, openSSL).  Plus, OpenSSH does not work out of the box.  It complains about the missing /etc/passwd, and scp does not work without the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable set (we need /var/hack/lib).  Furthermore, the default configuration file for sshd does not work on the TiVo.<br />
<br />
After much hacking to make things work on the TiVo, I present the MIPS port of OpenSSH 3.7.1!<br />
<br />
Enjoy,<br />
XybyreSince osdwriter is currently the only known way to display to the screen for series2 (correct?), I'm trying to make it display a created-on-the-fly png.  This could simulate text2osd, as well as open up new options for OSD displays.  In particular, I am trying to get the YAC listener to display caller id info in a small box.<br />
<br />
I have ported libpng and gdlib to MIPS.  I am able to create a 720x480 png file dynamically, and I use &quot;osdwriter myfile.png -share&quot; to put it on the screen.  Then I kill osdwriter, delay a user-specified number of seconds, and then clear the display with &quot;osdwriter blank.png -share&quot;.  Then I kill osdwriter again.<br />
<br />
This appears to work fine for non-transparent images, but transparent images appear ghosted.  That is, I see two of the same image overlayed, each offset by a number of pixels.  I verified this with a full-screen image in /tvbin.  What happens is: osdwriter displays the image, then it forks another osdwriter to display it again.  However, the second instance displays the image at a slightly different location.  I can see the image shift to the left immediately after it appears.<br />
<br />
Does anybody know why osdwriter spawns another copy of itself?  I'm trying to read through the disassembly of osdwriter, but I'm not really familiar with mips.  I'd like to supress that second instance of osdwriter, to see if it will fix the problem.  Anybody good at reverse-engineering mips programs?You can take a pretty good stab at reverse engineering with tools like strace, it won't exactly be a code dump but it will be a highlevel representation of how osdwriter communicates with the various devices. If you get really ambitious you can do a better trace by writing some kernel modules to intercept data.Nice work!<br />
<br />
Can we download your modified ssh/ssl/lib sources and configuration files?<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
bystanderHere are my patches for OpenSSH 3.7p1, for anybody who wants to compile it themselves.  No patches are necessary for zlib or openssl.<br />
<br />
To use:<br />
<br />
1. tar xzf /path/to/openssh-3.7p1.tar.gz<br />
2. patch -p0 &lt; /path/to/openssh.diff<br />
3. configure &amp; make normally<br />
Well, after some more experimenting, I discovered that osdwriter does not properly display indexed .pngs with transparency. The transparency setting seems to be ignored.<br />
<br />
I created an RGBA png under Photoshop and displayed it with osdwriter, and it showed up correctly. Next, I modified fly to create truecolor images with the alpha channel enabled (it currently only creates paletted images). That did the trick! I can see caller-id on my TV now. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
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There are two more things for me to do. One is to find a large GD font. The largest font that comes with gdlib is still small when viewed on the TV. Or I could rebuild gdlib with the TTF library...<br />
<br />
Then I would probably modify the yac client to create the png and display it. Currently, my yac client calls a shell script, which creates a fly script and calls fly to render the png. Then the script calls my 'osd' script, which calls osdwriter to display the png, waits a number of seconds, then kills osdwriter and calls osdwriter again with a blank png (and then kills it again).<br />
<br />
Third (ok, I don't count good), I could write a new 'text2osd' that emulates the one for series1. However, I don't know what the existing one does, or how it looks...[deleted - accidentally posted to the wrong thread]Well, after some more experimenting, I discovered that osdwriter does not properly display indexed .pngs with transparency. The transparency setting seems to be ignored.<br />
<br />
I created an RGBA png under Photoshop and displayed it with osdwriter, and it showed up correctly. Next, I modified fly to create truecolor images with the alpha channel enabled (it currently only creates paletted images). That did the trick! I can see caller-id on my TV now. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
There are two more things for me to do. One is to find a large GD font. The largest font that comes with gdlib is still small when viewed on the TV. Or I could rebuild gdlib with the TTF library...<br />
<br />
Then I would probably modify the yac client to create the png and display it. Currently, my yac client calls a shell script, which creates a fly script and calls fly to render the png. Then the script calls my 'osd' script, which calls osdwriter to display the png, waits a number of seconds, then kills osdwriter and calls osdwriter again with a blank png (and then kills it again).<br />
<br />
Third (ok, I don't count good), I could write a new 'text2osd' that emulates the one for series1. However, I don't know what the existing one does, or how it looks...<br />
<br />
and I still want to modify osdwriter to quit when it's done, instead of me having to kill it.Hi, I'm a tcl novice, but very familiar with the kernel.<br />
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It appears to me the encryption is actually done by the hardware. The keys are reset on every sector operation. So if valid keys are passed, they get sent to the MediaSwitch and cause the data to/from the disk to get encrypted. I agree the best approach is to duplicate the key sending process for mfs_ftp.<br />
<br />
Could someone post a little .tcl script to display the CSO keys for the parts in a fsid ?<br />
<br />
Also, I've peeked at the source to mfs_insert, but haven't found mfs.h or mfs_export. A link to this source would be appriciated too.<br />
here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
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transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
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the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to exist#!/tvbin/tivosh<br />
# rc3105's ultra simple scramblekey dumper<br />
<br />
proc get_CommercialSkipOffset { recfsid } {<br />
global info db<br />
 RetryTransaction {<br />
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]<br />
  set showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]<br />
  set program [dbobj $showing get Program]<br />
  puts &quot;\n\&quot;[dbobj $program get Title]\&quot; \&quot;[dbobj $program get EpisodeTitle]\&quot;&quot;<br />
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]<br />
  foreach Part $Parts {<br />
        puts &quot;\nfsid [dbobj $Part get File]&quot;<br />
        puts &quot;Begin [dbobj $Part get Begin]&quot;<br />
        puts &quot;CommercialSkipOffset [dbobj $Part get CommercialSkipOffset]&quot;<br />
        puts &quot;End [dbobj $Part get End]&quot;<br />
  }<br />
 }<br />
}<br />
<br />
set recfsid [lindex $argv 0]<br />
puts &quot;recording $recfsid - listing fsid's &amp; scramble keys&quot;<br />
set db [dbopen]<br />
get_CommercialSkipOffset $recfsid<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# rc3105's ultra simple scramblekey dumper

proc get_CommercialSkipOffset { recfsid } {
global info db
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
  set program [dbobj $showing get Program]
  puts &quot;\n\&quot;[dbobj $program get Title]\&quot; \&quot;[dbobj $program get EpisodeTitle]\&quot;&quot;
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
  foreach Part $Parts {
        puts &quot;\nfsid [dbobj $Part get File]&quot;
        puts &quot;Begin [dbobj $Part get Begin]&quot;
        puts &quot;CommercialSkipOffset [dbobj $Part get CommercialSkipOffset]&quot;
        puts &quot;End [dbobj $Part get End]&quot;
  }
 }
}

set recfsid [lindex $argv 0]
puts &quot;recording $recfsid - listing fsid's &amp; scramble keys&quot;
set db [dbopen]
get_CommercialSkipOffset $recfsid
</pre>Thanks Riley.<br />
<br />
I think I have an idea for an unscramble program.<br />
Do you want to help with some .tcl coding ? <br />
<br />
My idea is to capture the keys sent to the kernel.<br />
Then copy the show to a new fsid using the saved keys on read, and write with the NULL key.<br />
What do you think ?<br />
<br />
Colin..<br />
sounds good, it'd take about 5 mins to write a tcl descramble wrapper if mfs_export worked like this<br />
<br />
mfs_export [options] &lt;path|fsid&gt; &lt;dest&gt; &lt;keys&gt;<br />
<br />
( actually it's allready written, if I can just remember where I saved it...  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink"> )<br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
RileySweet!<br />
That's exactly what I was thinking, but probably with a new name. <br />
<br />
Also, I am working on a new program to search the &quot;key snooping&quot; module for the keys given the fsid of the part. <br />
<br />
So it would be nice if &quot;descramble.tcl&quot; or whatever you want to call it, first ran the search to make sure we have the keys for each part of the show.<br />
Then make a new show and use the keys to do a <br />
mfs_scramble_stream &lt;fsid&gt; &lt;keys&gt; | mfs_stdinsert &lt;newfsid&gt;<br />
for each part.<br />
<br />
How does this sound ?<br />
<br />
replace mfs_stream with mfs_scramble_stream (in the mfs_ftp dir)<br />
<br />
run two copies on different ports<br />
<br />
fxp the rec between the two servers (in the same tivo) to make a decrypted copysave this as p3.tcl in the mfs_ftp dir with mfs_scramble_stream<br />
<br />
<pre>
# p3.tcl - proof of concept by RC3105
# patches mfs_ftp 1.2.9.G to work with mfs_scramble_stream

proc buildty { recfsid } {
global db info resume ; set p 1
outd 1 &quot;buildty:  streaming recobj\{$recfsid\} to data channel \{$info(dc)\}&quot;
 get_CommercialSkipOffset $recfsid
 fconfigure $info(dc) -translation binary
 setpri 1 $info(dc) 1
 set j [llength $resume(parts)]
 set s $resume(s)
 for {set i 0} { $i &lt; $j } { incr i } {
  set fsid [lindex $resume(parts) $i]
  set c [expr [lindex $resume(sizes) $i] - $s]
  if { $s != 0 &amp;&amp; $resume(e) == 1 } {
	set inf [open $info(path)/fifo w+] ; catch { close $inf } ;#break_fifo
	outd $p &quot;mfs_export -s $s -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set skip_blocks [expr $s / 512] ; set ss [expr $skip_blocks * 512]
	set diff [expr $s - $ss] ; set c [expr $c + $diff]
	outd 2 &quot;s $s\tskip_blocks $skip_blocks\tss $ss\tdiff $diff&quot;
	outd $2 &quot;mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set info(pipe) [open &quot;|$info(path)/mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid $info(path)/fifo &gt;&gt;&amp; /dev/null &quot; w]
	set resume(s) 0
	set info(fifo) [open fifo r]
	fconfigure $info(fifo) -translation binary -buffersize 131072
	set junk [read $info(fifo) $diff]
	data_out $c $info(dc)
	while { [eof $info(fifo)] != 1 } { set junk [read $info(fifo) 1024] ; outd 1 &quot;flushing fifo&quot; }
	catch { close $info(fifo) } ; catch { close $info(pipe) }
  } else {
	#outd $p &quot;mfs_stream \&quot;$fsid\&quot; -c $c&quot;
	#exec $info(path)/mfs_stream -s $fsid &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
	puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso \&quot;$info($fsid,cso)\&quot; &gt;@info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null&quot;
	exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso &quot;$info($fsid,cso)&quot; &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
  }
 }
 puts -nonewline $info(dc) $info(ty+)\n$info(xml)\n$info(ty+)
}

proc get_CommercialSkipOffset { recfsid } {
global info db
outd 1 &quot;get_CommercialSkipOffset: recobj\{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
  foreach Part $Parts {
	set fsid [dbobj $Part get File]
	set info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get Begin]]
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get CommercialSkipOffset]]&quot;
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get End]]&quot;
  }
 }
}
</pre><br />
<br />
run two copies of mfs_ftp on different ports<br />
<br />
fxp the rec between the two servers (in the same tivo) to make a decrypted copysave this as p3.tcl in the mfs_ftp dir with mfs_scramble_stream<br />
<br />
<pre>
# p3.tcl - proof of concept by RC3105
# patches mfs_ftp 1.2.9G to work with mfs_scramble_stream

proc buildty { recfsid } {
global db info resume ; set p 1
outd 1 &quot;buildty:  streaming recobj\{$recfsid\} to data channel \{$info(dc)\}&quot;
 get_CommercialSkipOffset $recfsid
 fconfigure $info(dc) -translation binary
 setpri 1 $info(dc) 1
 set j [llength $resume(parts)]
 set s $resume(s)
 for {set i 0} { $i &lt; $j } { incr i } {
  set fsid [lindex $resume(parts) $i]
  set c [expr [lindex $resume(sizes) $i] - $s]
  if { $s != 0 &amp;&amp; $resume(e) == 1 } {
	set inf [open $info(path)/fifo w+] ; catch { close $inf } ;#break_fifo
	outd $p &quot;mfs_export -s $s -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set skip_blocks [expr $s / 512] ; set ss [expr $skip_blocks * 512]
	set diff [expr $s - $ss] ; set c [expr $c + $diff]
	outd 2 &quot;s $s\tskip_blocks $skip_blocks\tss $ss\tdiff $diff&quot;
	outd $2 &quot;mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set info(pipe) [open &quot;|$info(path)/mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid $info(path)/fifo &gt;&gt;&amp; /dev/null &quot; w]
	set resume(s) 0
	set info(fifo) [open fifo r]
	fconfigure $info(fifo) -translation binary -buffersize 131072
	set junk [read $info(fifo) $diff]
	data_out $c $info(dc)
	while { [eof $info(fifo)] != 1 } { set junk [read $info(fifo) 1024] ; outd 1 &quot;flushing fifo&quot; }
	catch { close $info(fifo) } ; catch { close $info(pipe) }
  } else {
	#outd $p &quot;mfs_stream \&quot;$fsid\&quot; -c $c&quot;
	#exec $info(path)/mfs_stream -s $fsid &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
	puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso \&quot;$info($fsid,cso)\&quot; &gt;@info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null&quot;
	exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso &quot;$info($fsid,cso)&quot; &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
  }
 }
 puts -nonewline $info(dc) $info(ty+)\n$info(xml)\n$info(ty+)
}

proc get_CommercialSkipOffset { recfsid } {
global info db
outd 1 &quot;get_CommercialSkipOffset: recobj\{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
  foreach Part $Parts {
	set fsid [dbobj $Part get File]
	set info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get Begin]]
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get CommercialSkipOffset]]&quot;
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get End]]&quot;
  }
 }
}
</pre><br />
run two copies of mfs_ftp on different ports<br />
<br />
fxp the rec between the two servers (in the same tivo) to make a decrypted copy<br />
<br />
edit: this assumes mfs_scramble_stream works identically to mfs_stream, but takes a &quot;-cso &lt;CommercialSkipOffsets&gt;&quot; optionsave this as p3.tcl in the mfs_ftp dir with mfs_scramble_stream<br />
<br />
<pre>
# p3.tcl - proof of concept by RC3105
# patches [url=http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=167&amp;rid=24]mfs_ftp 1.2.9G[/url] to work with mfs_scramble_stream

proc buildty { recfsid } {
global db info resume ; set p 1
outd 1 &quot;buildty:  streaming recobj\{$recfsid\} to data channel \{$info(dc)\}&quot;
 get_CommercialSkipOffset $recfsid
 fconfigure $info(dc) -translation binary
 setpri 1 $info(dc) 1
 set j [llength $resume(parts)]
 set s $resume(s)
 for {set i 0} { $i &lt; $j } { incr i } {
  set fsid [lindex $resume(parts) $i]
  set c [expr [lindex $resume(sizes) $i] - $s]
  if { $s != 0 &amp;&amp; $resume(e) == 1 } {
	set inf [open $info(path)/fifo w+] ; catch { close $inf } ;#break_fifo
	outd $p &quot;mfs_export -s $s -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set skip_blocks [expr $s / 512] ; set ss [expr $skip_blocks * 512]
	set diff [expr $s - $ss] ; set c [expr $c + $diff]
	outd 2 &quot;s $s\tskip_blocks $skip_blocks\tss $ss\tdiff $diff&quot;
	outd $2 &quot;mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set info(pipe) [open &quot;|$info(path)/mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid $info(path)/fifo &gt;&gt;&amp; /dev/null &quot; w]
	set resume(s) 0
	set info(fifo) [open fifo r]
	fconfigure $info(fifo) -translation binary -buffersize 131072
	set junk [read $info(fifo) $diff]
	data_out $c $info(dc)
	while { [eof $info(fifo)] != 1 } { set junk [read $info(fifo) 1024] ; outd 1 &quot;flushing fifo&quot; }
	catch { close $info(fifo) } ; catch { close $info(pipe) }
  } else {
	#outd $p &quot;mfs_stream \&quot;$fsid\&quot; -c $c&quot;
	#exec $info(path)/mfs_stream -s $fsid &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
	puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso \&quot;$info($fsid,cso)\&quot; &gt;@info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null&quot;
	exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso &quot;$info($fsid,cso)&quot; &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
  }
 }
 puts -nonewline $info(dc) $info(ty+)\n$info(xml)\n$info(ty+)
}

proc get_CommercialSkipOffset { recfsid } {
global info db
outd 1 &quot;get_CommercialSkipOffset: recobj\{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
  foreach Part $Parts {
	set fsid [dbobj $Part get File]
	set info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get Begin]]
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get CommercialSkipOffset]]&quot;
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get End]]&quot;
  }
 }
}
</pre><br />
run two copies of mfs_ftp on different ports<br />
<br />
fxp the rec between the two servers (in the same tivo) to make a decrypted copy<br />
<br />
edit: this assumes mfs_scramble_stream works identically to mfs_stream, but takes a &quot;-cso &lt;CommercialSkipOffsets&gt;&quot; optionsave this as p3.tcl in the mfs_ftp dir with mfs_scramble_stream<br />
<br />
# p3.tcl - proof of concept by RC3105<br />
# patches <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=167&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">mfs_ftp 1.2.9G</a> to work with mfs_scramble_stream<pre>
proc buildty { recfsid } {
global db info resume ; set p 1
outd 1 &quot;buildty:  streaming recobj\{$recfsid\} to data channel \{$info(dc)\}&quot;
 get_CommercialSkipOffset $recfsid
 fconfigure $info(dc) -translation binary
 setpri 1 $info(dc) 1
 set j [llength $resume(parts)]
 set s $resume(s)
 for {set i 0} { $i &lt; $j } { incr i } {
  set fsid [lindex $resume(parts) $i]
  set c [expr [lindex $resume(sizes) $i] - $s]
  if { $s != 0 &amp;&amp; $resume(e) == 1 } {
	set inf [open $info(path)/fifo w+] ; catch { close $inf } ;#break_fifo
	outd $p &quot;mfs_export -s $s -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set skip_blocks [expr $s / 512] ; set ss [expr $skip_blocks * 512]
	set diff [expr $s - $ss] ; set c [expr $c + $diff]
	outd 2 &quot;s $s\tskip_blocks $skip_blocks\tss $ss\tdiff $diff&quot;
	outd $2 &quot;mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set info(pipe) [open &quot;|$info(path)/mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid $info(path)/fifo &gt;&gt;&amp; /dev/null &quot; w]
	set resume(s) 0
	set info(fifo) [open fifo r]
	fconfigure $info(fifo) -translation binary -buffersize 131072
	set junk [read $info(fifo) $diff]
	data_out $c $info(dc)
	while { [eof $info(fifo)] != 1 } { set junk [read $info(fifo) 1024] ; outd 1 &quot;flushing fifo&quot; }
	catch { close $info(fifo) } ; catch { close $info(pipe) }
  } else {
	#outd $p &quot;mfs_stream \&quot;$fsid\&quot; -c $c&quot;
	#exec $info(path)/mfs_stream -s $fsid &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
	puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso \&quot;$info($fsid,cso)\&quot; &gt;@info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null&quot;
	exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso &quot;$info($fsid,cso)&quot; &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
  }
 }
 puts -nonewline $info(dc) $info(ty+)\n$info(xml)\n$info(ty+)
}

proc get_CommercialSkipOffset { recfsid } {
global info db
outd 1 &quot;get_CommercialSkipOffset: recobj\{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
  foreach Part $Parts {
	set fsid [dbobj $Part get File]
	set info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get Begin]]
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get CommercialSkipOffset]]&quot;
        set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get End]]&quot;
  }
 }
}
</pre><br />
run two copies of mfs_ftp on different ports<br />
<br />
fxp the rec between the two servers (in the same tivo) to make a decrypted copy<br />
<br />
edit: this assumes mfs_scramble_stream works identically to mfs_stream, but takes a &quot;-cso &lt;CommercialSkipOffsets&gt;&quot; optionsave this as p3.tcl in the mfs_ftp dir with mfs_scramble_stream<br />
<br />
# p3.tcl - proof of concept by RC3105<br />
# patches <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=167&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">mfs_ftp 1.2.9G</a> to work with mfs_scramble_stream<pre>
proc buildty { recfsid } {
global db info resume ; set p 1
outd 1 &quot;buildty:  streaming recobj\{$recfsid\} to data channel \{$info(dc)\}&quot;
 get_CommercialSkipOffset $recfsid
 fconfigure $info(dc) -translation binary
 setpri 1 $info(dc) 1
 set j [llength $resume(parts)]
 set s $resume(s)
 for {set i 0} { $i &lt; $j } { incr i } {
  set fsid [lindex $resume(parts) $i]
  set c [expr [lindex $resume(sizes) $i] - $s]
  if { $s != 0 &amp;&amp; $resume(e) == 1 } {
	set inf [open $info(path)/fifo w+] ; catch { close $inf } ;#break_fifo
	outd $p &quot;mfs_export -s $s -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set skip_blocks [expr $s / 512] ; set ss [expr $skip_blocks * 512]
	set diff [expr $s - $ss] ; set c [expr $c + $diff]
	outd 2 &quot;s $s\tskip_blocks $skip_blocks\tss $ss\tdiff $diff&quot;
	outd $2 &quot;mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid \$info(dc)&quot;
	set info(pipe) [open &quot;|$info(path)/mfs_export -s $ss -c $c $fsid $info(path)/fifo &gt;&gt;&amp; /dev/null &quot; w]
	set resume(s) 0
	set info(fifo) [open fifo r]
	fconfigure $info(fifo) -translation binary -buffersize 131072
	set junk [read $info(fifo) $diff]
	data_out $c $info(dc)
	while { [eof $info(fifo)] != 1 } { set junk [read $info(fifo) 1024] ; outd 1 &quot;flushing fifo&quot; }
	catch { close $info(fifo) } ; catch { close $info(pipe) }
  } else {
	#outd $p &quot;mfs_stream \&quot;$fsid\&quot; -c $c&quot;
	#exec $info(path)/mfs_stream -s $fsid &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
	puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso \&quot;$info($fsid,cso)\&quot; &gt;@info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null&quot;
	exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid -cso &quot;$info($fsid,cso)&quot; &gt;@$info(dc) 2&gt;/dev/null
  }
 }
 puts -nonewline $info(dc) $info(ty+)\n$info(xml)\n$info(ty+)
}

proc get_CommercialSkipOffset { recfsid } {
global info db
outd 1 &quot;get_CommercialSkipOffset: recobj\{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
  foreach Part $Parts {
	set fsid [dbobj $Part get File]
	set info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get Begin]]
	set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get CommercialSkipOffset]]&quot;
	set info($fsid,cso) &quot;$info($fsid,cso) [strim [dbobj $Part get End]]&quot;
  }
 }
}</pre><br />
run two copies of mfs_ftp on different ports (like 3105 &amp; 4000) in the same tivo, fxp the rec between the two to make a decrypted copy<br />
<br />
edit: this assumes mfs_scramble_stream works identically to mfs_stream, but takes a &quot;-cso &lt;CommercialSkipOffsets&gt;&quot; optiontivodvlpr's tivoweb tytar server<br />
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=45&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">tar_serve.itcl</a><br />
<br />
my mfsstream tweak to invoke it<br />
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=49&amp;rid=24&amp;" target="_blank">mfsstreamweb98 with tarserver link.zip</a><br />
<br />
edit: this quick &amp; dirty kludge has a hardcoded ip of 192.168.0.2<br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
Rileyhopefully splitting TMF format/spec discussion out from  <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start=140#msg_376" target="_blank">The tyStream Insertion Initiative</a> will simplify things<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=50&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">tydetar.tcl.zip</a> - tcl script to unpack a tar_serve.itcl tarball into an old style mfsstream .ty and showing.xml<br />
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=51&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">tydetar.zip</a> - same script &quot;compiled&quot; with the windows freewrap runtime library.  simply change the extension from .zip to .exe &amp; it's good to go<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=45&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">tar_serve.itcl</a> - tivodvlpr's tivoweb tytar server<br />
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=49&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">mfsstreamweb98 with tarserver link.zip</a> - a mfsstream tweak to easily retrieve tytar (now known as tmf) via tivoweb.  <br />
<br />
edit: this quick &amp; dirty kludge has a hardcoded ip of 192.168.0.2hopefully splitting TMF format/spec discussion out from  <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18&amp;rid=24&amp;S=516e91240c3c16007803cf57f85dea77&amp;pl_view=&amp;start=140#msg_376" target="_blank">The tyStream Insertion Initiative</a> will encourage discussion &amp; progress<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=50&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">tydetar.tcl.zip</a> - tcl script to unpack a tar_serve.itcl tarball into an old style ty and showing.xml<br />
TMF format/spec discussion split from  <a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18" target="_blank">The tyStream Insertion Initiative</a>..<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=18" target="_blank">Mfs_Ftp</a> - a basic tivo side ftp server to extract &amp; restore recordings as tmf or ty....Ok, I get it. This will be cool. <br />
Have an option to start mfs_ftp in descrambler mode or straight mode. I will add an option to mfs_scramble_stream to not descramble when there are no keys so you can use the same exec line, just fill in the keys or not.<br />
<br />
One thing. I'm not using the CSO. I wrote a C program to search the noscramble snooper module for the keys and return them to stdout. i.e.<br />
getkeys &lt;fsid&gt;<br />
It prints 4 hex numbers. Which can be passed to<br />
mfs_scamble_stream &lt;fsid&gt; &lt;key1&gt; &lt;key2&gt; &lt;key3&gt; &lt;key4&gt;<br />
<br />
How do I the get the output of getkeys into a tcl variable ?<br />
you could open getkeys as a pipeline like so<br />
<br />
set pipe [open &quot;|getkeys $fsid&quot; r]<br />
set keys [get $pipe]<br />
close $pipe<br />
exec mfs_scramble_stream -s $fsid &quot;$keys&quot;here's a little script that extracts mfsstream style ty and showing.xml from a tytar or tmf<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=59&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">mfs_ftp: easy extract / insert via ftp protocols</a><br />
<br />
a basic tivo side ftp server that generates tmf files dynamicly. <br />
<br />
--<br />
Rileysounds like a decent name / extension to me<br />
<br />
<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=55&amp;start=0&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">Tivo Media Format - RFC &amp; utilities</a><br />
<br />
--<br />
Riley<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=55&amp;prevloaded=1&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">Tivo Media Format - RFC &amp; utilities</a> has mbm's latest optomizations<a href="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=55&amp;prevloaded=1&amp;rid=24" target="_blank">Tivo Media Format - RFC &amp; utilities</a> has mbm's latest optomizationshere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<img src="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168" border=0 alt="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168"><img src="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168" border=0 alt="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168"><br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<img src="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168" border=0 alt="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168"><img src="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168" border=0 alt="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168"><br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to exist<br />
<br />
<img src="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168" border=0 alt="http://alt.org/forum/index.php?t=getfile&amp;id=168">here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
EASY INSTALL<br />
<br />
unzip the .tgz file on the pc and look through readme.txt for detailed usage &amp; install instructions<br />
<br />
shutdown mfs_ftp &amp; backup your working config with &quot;mv /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp_bak&quot;<br />
<br />
transfer the .tgz to /var in the tivo and unpack with &quot;tar -zxvf /var/mfs_ftp.1.2.9.tgz&quot; - enjoy<br />
<br />
<br />
REQUIREMENTS:<br />
<br />
mfs_ftp.tcl, mfs_tarstream, mfs_export, mfs_stream, mfs_stdinsert and tzoffset.tcl all need to be in /var/mfs_ftp<br />
<br />
the directorys /var/mfs_ftp /var/mfs_ftp/cache and the fifo /var/mfs_ftp/fifo need to existThanks,<br />
Got it to work with mfs_ftp.<br />
Had to use lindex to get each key seperately since mfs_scramble_stream wants each in a seperate argv.<br />
Anyway the descrambling is not quite there. Something wrong with passing the keys to the syscal.<br />
<br />
Questions for you. When I was doing a ftp get it seems to really bog down my tivo to the point at one time that it crashed.<br />
What does the setpri do and what are the levels ?<br />
Is there something else that may explain the CPU usage ?<br />
<br />
setpri defaults to 1 (lowest possible value) during extraction.  if regular old mfs_stream bogs down you need to make sure there's an executable setpri in the mfs_ftp dir, then start looking for conflicts with modules like ideturboHmm, I've got setpri and it is runnging with 1.<br />
I'm not sure what you mean by conflicts with modules.<br />
<br />
BTW, got my first part descrambled. Now the clean up. And figure out what is going on with the CPU.<br />
<br />
Do you know a way to tell the tivo to start playing a fsid ?<br />
Then stop or return to what is was doing before, Live TV or playing another show ?<br />
I know this is a tall one, but it would make everything automatic.<br />
Basically, I can't get the keys unless the Tivo first starts to play a show.<br />
Yahoo!! got my first scrambled show off the Tivo and into tytool.<br />
I still have a CPU problem, but it's better than before.<br />
<br />
Weird, when I reinserted the show, the log showed it setting the CSO values, but it never did.<br />
This was actually good. I assume the Tivo assumes it is unscrambled and is able it play it with scambling enabled or disabled.<br />
<br />
Now the real work. Clean up and testing........<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
some evolution in the dumper, but no changes to the xml till now.  here's the skinny<br />
<br />
AuxInfo dropped<br />
<br />
Bitrate, Bookmark, SelectionType &amp; File addedIs anyone worried about a DMCA challenge from either TiVo and/or DirecTV on releasing something like this? I've suspected that some individuals have had something like this for some time and aren't sharing because of fear of legal issues. In fact, I know someone who's been doing it for a couple of months now... <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
Brad<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp general discussion &amp; s1 usage</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">MFS-FTP on Series 2 Units</a>S1 binaries &amp; cross platform tclcolin:<br />
<br />
noscramble_mbm_snoop keys are NOT box specific<br />
<br />
 <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil"> <br />
<br />
just transferred some scrambles from a t60 to a hughes gxcebot &amp; decrypted them there.  (different diskconfig keys &amp; crypto chip)  wooho!Hmmm, not sure how useful that is, but it is cool!<br />
<br />
Question for you. Do you know a way to delete the CSO keys from the parts of a show ? <br />
I guess what I'm asking for is a scipt or code fragment. I looked, but didn't see any reference to deleting objects from Parts.<br />
I'm asking because it seems the Tivo will play unscrambled shows that don't have CSO keys when scrambling is NOT disabled.<br />
<br />
archiving &amp; restoring encrypted data isn't circumventing the DCMA - it's just housekeeping<br />
<br />
if you have to have the exact same hardware to play it that's it's not terribly usefull when your original tivo dies, gets a mb swap under warrenty, whatnot<br />
<br />
this means we can update the tmf spec to archive scrambled recs with snooped keys such that they're playable on alternate machines <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"><br />
<br />
<br />
see the nuke_DC_key.tcl script I posted earlier in this thread, it could easily be adapted to strip CSO's from rec fsids<pre>

#!/tvbin/tivosh
# descramble.tcl - rc3105
# backup the recording as tmf, just in case
# &quot;descramble.tcl rec_obj_fsid&quot; decrypts the recording in place
# nuke_csos isn't needed if you run noscamble, but there it is

proc nuke_csos { recfsid } {
global info db
puts &quot;nuke_csos: \{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
   foreach Part $Parts {
	dbobj $Part remove Begin
	dbobj $Part remove CommercialSkipOffset
	dbobj $Part remove End
   }
 }
}

proc descramble_parts { } {
global info
 puts &quot;descramble_parts:&quot;
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] \| $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout&quot;
  exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] | $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout
 }
}

proc get_PartKeys { } {
global info
 puts &quot;get_PartKeys&quot;
 set outf [open $info(path)/keys.db w]
 puts $outf &quot;[catvar /proc/showscramble]&quot;
 close $outf
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  set pipe [ open &quot;|$info(path)/getkeys $info(path)/keys.db $fsid&quot; r ]
  set keys [ gets $pipe ]
  close $pipe
  set info($fsid,keys) &quot;$keys&quot;
  puts &quot;fsid: $fsid\nkeys: $keys&quot;
 }
}

proc print_info { recfsid } {
global db info
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part] ; set info(fsids) &quot;&quot;
  foreach part $Parts { lappend info(fsids) [dbobj $part get File] }
  set Showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
  set Program [dbobj $Showing get Program]
  set Title [dbobj $Program get Title]
  set EpisodeTitle [dbobj $Program get EpisodeTitle]
 }
 puts &quot;recobj \{$recfsid\}\n$Title\n$EpisodeTitle\nfsids: $info(fsids)&quot;
}


set info(path) [file dirname [info script]]
EnableTransactionHoldoff true
set db [dbopen]

print_info [lindex $argv 0]
get_PartKeys
descramble_parts
#nuke_csos [lindex $argv 0]

</pre><pre>

#!/tvbin/tivosh
# descramble.tcl - rc3105
# backup the recording as tmf, just in case
# &quot;descramble.tcl rec_obj_fsid&quot; decrypts the recording in place

proc nuke_csos { recfsid } {
global info db
puts &quot;nuke_csos: \{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
   foreach Part $Parts {
	dbobj $Part remove Begin
	dbobj $Part remove CommercialSkipOffset
	dbobj $Part remove End
   }
 }
}

proc descramble_parts { } {
global info
 puts &quot;descramble_parts:&quot;
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] \| $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout&quot;
  exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] | $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout
 }
}

proc get_PartKeys { } {
global info
 puts &quot;get_PartKeys&quot;
 set outf [open $info(path)/keys.db w]
 puts $outf &quot;[catvar /proc/showscramble]&quot;
 close $outf
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  set pipe [ open &quot;|$info(path)/getkeys $info(path)/keys.db $fsid&quot; r ]
  set keys [ gets $pipe ]
  close $pipe
  set info($fsid,keys) &quot;$keys&quot;
  puts &quot;fsid: $fsid\nkeys: $keys&quot;
 }
}

proc print_info { recfsid } {
global db info
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part] ; set info(fsids) &quot;&quot;
  foreach part $Parts { lappend info(fsids) [dbobj $part get File] }
  set Showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
  set Program [dbobj $Showing get Program]
  set Title [dbobj $Program get Title]
  set EpisodeTitle [dbobj $Program get EpisodeTitle]
 }
 puts &quot;recobj \{$recfsid\}\n$Title\n$EpisodeTitle\nfsids: $info(fsids)&quot;
}


set info(path) [file dirname [info script]]
EnableTransactionHoldoff true
set db [dbopen]

print_info [lindex $argv 0]
get_PartKeys
descramble_parts
nuke_csos [lindex $argv 0]

</pre>riley, are you having to manually play back the tystream in order to probe the decryption keys from the kernel?<pre>

#!/tvbin/tivosh
# descramble.tcl - rc3105
# backup the recording as tmf, just in case
# &quot;descramble.tcl rec_obj_fsid&quot; decrypts the recording in place

proc nuke_csos { recfsid } {
global info db
puts &quot;nuke_csos: \{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
   foreach Part $Parts {
#	dbobj $Part remove Begin
	dbobj $Part remove CommercialSkipOffset
#	dbobj $Part remove End
   }
 }
}

proc descramble_parts { } {
global info
 puts &quot;descramble_parts:&quot;
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] \| $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout&quot;
  exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] | $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout
 }
}

proc get_PartKeys { } {
global info
 puts &quot;get_PartKeys&quot;
 set outf [open $info(path)/keys.db w]
 puts $outf &quot;[catvar /proc/showscramble]&quot;
 close $outf
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  set pipe [ open &quot;|$info(path)/getkeys $info(path)/keys.db $fsid&quot; r ]
  set keys [ gets $pipe ]
  close $pipe
  set info($fsid,keys) &quot;$keys&quot;
  puts &quot;fsid: $fsid\nkeys: $keys&quot;
 }
}

proc print_info { recfsid } {
global db info
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part] ; set info(fsids) &quot;&quot;
  foreach part $Parts { lappend info(fsids) [dbobj $part get File] }
  set Showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
  set Program [dbobj $Showing get Program]
  set Title [dbobj $Program get Title]
  set EpisodeTitle [dbobj $Program get EpisodeTitle]
 }
 puts &quot;recobj \{$recfsid\}\n$Title\n$EpisodeTitle\nfsids: $info(fsids)&quot;
}


set info(path) [file dirname [info script]]
EnableTransactionHoldoff true
set db [dbopen]

print_info [lindex $argv 0]
get_PartKeys
descramble_parts
nuke_csos [lindex $argv 0]

</pre>handy for folks just starting with tcl or analyzing what procs &amp; commands are actually available via tivosh<br />
<br />
<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# dump_procs.tcl - rc3105
# this lists the procedures &amp; commands available via tivosh
# and (hopefully) recreates the text of the procedures

proc lreduce { list1 list2 } {
 foreach item $list2 {
  set index [lsearch -exact $list1 $item]
  if { $index &gt;= 0 } { set list1 [lreplace $list1 $index $index] }
 }
 return $list1
}

RetryTransaction {
 set rprocs [lsort [info procs]]
 set rcmds  [lsort [info commands]]
}
set procs [lsort [info procs]]
set cmds  [lsort [info commands]]

set cmds [lreduce $cmds $procs]
set rcmds [lreduce $rcmds $rprocs]

puts &quot;\nCommands:\n$cmds&quot;
puts &quot;\nRetryTransaction ONLY Commands:\n[lreduce $rcmds $cmds]&quot;

puts &quot;\nProcedures:\n[lreduce $procs lreduce]&quot;
puts &quot;\nRetryTransaction ONLY Procedures:\n[lreduce $rprocs $procs]&quot;

foreach item $rprocs { 
 after 25
 puts -nonewline &quot;proc $item \{&quot;
 foreach arg [info args $item] {
  if { [info default $item $arg defval] } {
	if { $defval == &quot;&quot; } { set defval &quot;\{\}&quot; }
	puts -nonewline &quot; \{$arg $defval\}&quot;
  } else { puts -nonewline &quot; $arg&quot; }
 }
 puts &quot; \} \{&quot;

 puts &quot;[info body $item]\n\}\n\n&quot;
}
</pre>handy for folks just starting with tcl or analyzing what procs &amp; commands are actually available via tivosh<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# dump_procs.tcl - rc3105
# this lists the procedures &amp; commands available via tivosh
# and (hopefully) recreates the text of the procedures

proc lreduce { list1 list2 } {
 foreach item $list2 {
  set index [lsearch -exact $list1 $item]
  if { $index &gt;= 0 } { set list1 [lreplace $list1 $index $index] }
 }
 return $list1
}

RetryTransaction {
 set rprocs [lsort [info procs]]
 set rcmds  [lsort [info commands]]
}
set procs [lsort [info procs]]
set cmds  [lsort [info commands]]

set cmds [lreduce $cmds $procs]
set rcmds [lreduce $rcmds $rprocs]

puts &quot;\nCommands:\n$cmds&quot;
puts &quot;\nRetryTransaction ONLY Commands:\n[lreduce $rcmds $cmds]&quot;

puts &quot;\nProcedures:\n[lreduce $procs lreduce]&quot;
puts &quot;\nRetryTransaction ONLY Procedures:\n[lreduce $rprocs $procs]&quot;

foreach item $rprocs { 
 after 25
 puts -nonewline &quot;proc $item \{&quot;
 foreach arg [info args $item] {
  if { [info default $item $arg defval] } {
	if { $defval == &quot;&quot; } { set defval &quot;\{\}&quot; }
	puts -nonewline &quot; \{$arg $defval\}&quot;
  } else { puts -nonewline &quot; $arg&quot; }
 }
 puts &quot; \} \{&quot;

 puts &quot;[info body $item]\n\}\n\n&quot;
}
</pre><br></td></tr></table>[quote]<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# descramble.tcl - rc3105
# backup the recording as tmf, just in case
# &quot;descramble.tcl rec_obj_fsid&quot; decrypts the recording in place

proc nuke_csos { recfsid } {
global info db
puts &quot;nuke_csos: \{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
   foreach Part $Parts {
	dbobj $Part remove CommercialSkipOffset
   }
 }
}

proc descramble_parts { } {
global info
 puts &quot;descramble_parts:&quot;
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] \| $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout&quot;
  exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] | $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout
 }
}

proc get_PartKeys { } {
global info
 puts &quot;get_PartKeys&quot;
 set outf [open $info(path)/keys.db w]
 puts $outf &quot;[catvar /proc/showscramble]&quot;
 close $outf
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  set pipe [ open &quot;|$info(path)/getkeys $info(path)/keys.db $fsid&quot; r ]
  set keys [ gets $pipe ]
  close $pipe
  set info($fsid,keys) &quot;$keys&quot;
  puts &quot;fsid: $fsid\nkeys: $keys&quot;
 }
}

proc print_info { recfsid } {
global db info
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part] ; set info(fsids) &quot;&quot;
  foreach part $Parts { lappend info(fsids) [dbobj $part get File] }
  set Showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
  set Program [dbobj $Showing get Program]
  set Title [dbobj $Program get Title]
  set EpisodeTitle [dbobj $Program get EpisodeTitle]
 }
 puts &quot;recobj \{$recfsid\}\n$Title\n$EpisodeTitle\nfsids: $info(fsids)&quot;
}


set info(path) [file dirname [info script]]
EnableTransactionHoldoff true
set db [dbopen]

print_info [lindex $argv 0]
get_PartKeys
descramble_parts
nuke_csos [lindex $argv 0]
</pre>[quote]<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh
# descramble.tcl - rc3105
# backup the recording as tmf, just in case
# &quot;descramble.tcl rec_obj_fsid&quot; decrypts the recording in place

proc nuke_csos { recfsid } {
global info db
puts &quot;nuke_csos: \{$recfsid\}&quot;
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part]
   foreach Part $Parts {
	dbobj $Part remove CommercialSkipOffset
   }
 }
}

proc descramble_parts { } {
global info
 puts &quot;descramble_parts:&quot;
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  puts &quot;exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] \| $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout&quot;
  exec $info(path)/mfs_scramble_stream $fsid [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 0] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 1] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 2] [lindex $info($fsid,keys) 3] | $info(path)/mfs_stdinsert $fsid - 2&gt;&amp;stdout
 }
}

proc get_PartKeys { } {
global info
 puts &quot;get_PartKeys&quot;
 set outf [open $info(path)/keys.db w]
 puts $outf &quot;[catvar /proc/showscramble]&quot;
 close $outf
 foreach fsid $info(fsids) {
  set pipe [ open &quot;|$info(path)/getkeys $info(path)/keys.db $fsid&quot; r ]
  set keys [ gets $pipe ]
  close $pipe
  set info($fsid,keys) &quot;$keys&quot;
  puts &quot;fsid: $fsid\nkeys: $keys&quot;
 }
}

proc print_info { recfsid } {
global db info
 RetryTransaction {
  set rec [db $db openid $recfsid]
  set Parts [dbobj $rec get Part] ; set info(fsids) &quot;&quot;
  foreach part $Parts { lappend info(fsids) [dbobj $part get File] }
  set Showing [dbobj $rec get Showing]
  set Program [dbobj $Showing get Program]
  set Title [dbobj $Program get Title]
  set EpisodeTitle [dbobj $Program get EpisodeTitle]
 }
 puts &quot;recobj \{$recfsid\}\n$Title\n$EpisodeTitle\nfsids: $info(fsids)&quot;
}


set info(path) [file dirname [info script]]
EnableTransactionHoldoff true
set db [dbopen]

print_info [lindex $argv 0]
get_PartKeys
descramble_parts
nuke_csos [lindex $argv 0]
</pre><br></td></tr></table>so far, mfs streamsize doesn't prompt tivoapp to retrieve them either.  I suspect it's the same issue getting it to read/cache the fsid master chunks.  if I can track that down it'll simplify the whole bjuggle shuffle when using mfs_ftp to streamview.  prolly something simple right under my nose...Hmm...theres got to be some way to do it. If I am understanding how this works, I bet you could send a null DC/CSO key set to the kernel as if you were about to play a stream, and the result would probably be a hash that you could use to guess what the decrypt key is based on the streams actual DC/CSO key set.Hmm...theres got to be some way to do it. If I am understanding how this works, I bet you could send a null DC/CSO key set to the kernel as if you were about to play a stream, and the result would probably be a hash that you could use to guess what the decrypt key is based on the streams actual DC/CSO key set.<br />
<br />
BTW, is this going to become part of mfs_ftp?right now I don't know much about the ty format.  I rember seeing some docs a few years back about the format for ty files but I can't find it now.  If any one knows some good places to look for documents like this I would appricate it a lot(I have looked some on this forum but most of what I get is related to tmf).  once I start to get some code started i'll start looking for help.  I have seen a lot of people(including my self) that have really wanted to convert other files to ty streams and then be able to put them on their tivo.<br />
<br />
at first I want to make a program that will run on a windows/linux box and convert mpv and mpa files to a ty stream to be inserted with mfs_ftp.  once I get that working I will either want to use another program to convert to elemetal streams and then pipe it to my converter or to make the program take a mp2 file with both the audio and video.<br />
<br />
BrianBest of luck, I have been wanting to see this for a long time myself. Several threads here document the tystream format to some good extent, and another good source is in the sourceforge web pages of olafs tystudio.here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915&amp;perpage=1" target="_blank">mfs_ftp setup, usage &amp; support thread on dealdatabase</a>S1 binariesmfs_ftp.tcl allows you to restore recordings INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client<br />
<br />
this is the <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=83857#post83857" target="_blank">thread</a> for the latest version, support files &amp; installation/usage discussion.  please don't post here - alt.org is just for development discussion<br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
Rileymfs_ftp.tcl allows you to restore recordings INTO your tivo with a regular ftp client<br />
<br />
this is the <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915&amp;perpage=40" target="_blank">thread</a> for the latest version, support files &amp; installation/usage discussion.  please don't post here - alt.org is just for development discussion<br />
<br />
<br />
--<br />
Rileyhere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915&amp;perpage=1" target="_blank">mfs_ftp setup, usage &amp; support thread on dealdatabase</a> (including idiot-proofed installer)  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"> best way to get things going is post the info you can find, roll a bit of code &amp; throw it out to be played with, watch it blow up &amp; let peeps fix the segments they feel like workin onbest way to get things going is post the info you can find, roll a bit of code &amp; throw it out to be played with, watch it blow up &amp; let peeps fix the segments they feel like tinkering with <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif" border=0 alt="Twisted Evil"> hehe ok.  I have a LOT of free time comeing up in december so hopefully i'll mannaged to get something with everyone's help  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> I have played video from DVDs (VOBs) on my SA1 TiVo.  The only problem is that most DVDs are AC3 and the SA1 only supports MPEG audio.<br />
<br />
DTiVos and all Series 2, AFAIK, support AC-3, but I don't have one to play with.<br />
<br />
bbdmux and the video/audio devices on the TiVo are a great place to start.<br />
<br />
I was planning to add this to my OHM, until I realized SA1 don't support AC3.<br />
<br />
HTH<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>cwingert wrote on Mon, 24 November 2003 14:08</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I have played video from DVDs (VOBs) on my SA1 TiVo.  The only problem is that most DVDs are AC3 and the SA1 only supports MPEG audio.<br />
<br />
DTiVos and all Series 2, AFAIK, support AC-3, but I don't have one to play with.<br />
<br />
bbdmux and the video/audio devices on the TiVo are a great place to start.<br />
<br />
I was planning to add this to my OHM, until I realized SA1 don't support AC3.<br />
<br />
HTH<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
You could always borrow some code from tytranscode, which can convert between AC3 &lt;--&gt; MPEG audio formats.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Tue, 25 November 2003 20:01</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>cwingert wrote on Mon, 24 November 2003 14:08</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I have played video from DVDs (VOBs) on my SA1 TiVo.  The only problem is that most DVDs are AC3 and the SA1 only supports MPEG audio.<br />
<br />
DTiVos and all Series 2, AFAIK, support AC-3, but I don't have one to play with.<br />
<br />
bbdmux and the video/audio devices on the TiVo are a great place to start.<br />
<br />
I was planning to add this to my OHM, until I realized SA1 don't support AC3.<br />
<br />
HTH<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
You could always borrow some code from tytranscode, which can convert between AC3 &lt;--&gt; MPEG audio formats.<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Don't think the S1 processor has enough power to do this conversion.<br />
<br />
<br />
cwingert,<br />
<br />
I would love to take a look at the code you used to play .vob's on your SA1 tivo. I would love to toy around with it and see what things i can make it do. Please get in contact with me.It may not be obvious to everyone that ioctl's can be issued from the tivosh TCL environment -- it certainly wasn't to me until I found the ioctl command.  Here is an extract from my snapshot.tcl script (slightly reformatted):<br />
<br />
<pre>
# ioctl codes
set MPEG(OUTPUT_ENABLE) 0x422
set MPEG(OSD_ON) 0x3F3 

# Check the display is enabled
if {![info exists mpeg_dev]} {
 set mpeg_dev [open &quot;/dev/mpeg0v&quot; RDWR]
}
ioctl $mpeg_dev $MPEG(OUTPUT_ENABLE) -param 1
ioctl $mpeg_dev $MPEG(OSD_ON)
</pre><br />
<br />
The ioctl command also takes an option described in the usage output as &quot;-out &lt;string&gt;&quot;.  My guess is that this passes an address of a variable to receive output data from the ioctl.mpeg decoder ioctl codes and then /dev and using cat to get some video going to the screen with allmost no effert I might go for a program to stream to /dev/mpeg0v and /dev/mpeg0a.  the only problm that I forsee is av sink.  I do have 1 question that maby one of you vets can answer what does /dev/mpeg0o take?after looking at mpeg decoder ioctl codes and then /dev and using cat to get some video going to the screen with allmost no effert I was wondering if any one else thinks it might be easer to make a program for the tivo and then a program for a computer to stream a m2v and m2a to the tivo.  i'm still looking around the tystudio code but there is a lot to it tydemux alone is 678k of code.Howdy, all.  I've got a new project that is <i>almost</i> completed for the TiVo.  It's a proxy server that streams programs from the tivo to a web browser while shrinking them on the fly for lower bandwidth connections.  For example, say you've got your desktop and your desktop on an ethernet network with your laptop hooked up via 802.11b.  Using tivo-mplayer, you can watch programs on your desktop, but not your laptop because the connection is too slow.  The proxy server uses M2VRequantizer from <a href="http://metakine.com" target="_blank">http://metakine.com</a> to resize the video using relatively little processing power (M2VRequantizer reuses the existing motion vectors to recompress the video, which isn't as good quality wise, but <i>much</i> faster) as it streams it to your browser.  It runs nicely on a G3 700Mhz Mac w/ 256M of RAM.<br />
<br />
I <i>do</i> have a working model, but it's not very reliable.  I'm using mfs_ftp to get program listings and other data (great program, Riley), typrocess to convert to mpeg, and lvedemux/lverequant/lvemux to resize the video and send it on its way.  The weak link in this chain, unfortunately, is typrocess.  It is <i>extremely</i> crash-prone and quite unreliable.  It also adds some additional overhead which isn't really necessary.  Here's what's happening right now:<br />
<br />
<pre>
                         typrocess
mfs_ftp -&gt; curl -&gt; [tydemux -&gt; tymplex] -&gt; lvedemux -&gt; lverequant -&gt; lvemux
</pre><br />
<br />
Notice that it's being demux'd/remux'd twice in that loop.  Here's the process that I'd <i>like</i> to use:<br />
<br />
<pre>
mfs_ftp -&gt; curl -&gt; tydemux -&gt; lverequant -&gt; lvemux
</pre><br />
<br />
Much simpler and fewer parts in the chain to break down.  And it <i>does</i> work... sort of.  tydemux 0.5.0 can output to pipes and fifos, but it can't accept input from pipes.  If you try (i.e., using /dev/stdin as your input file), it complains that it needs at least 40 chunks to process.  In order to read from stdin, tydemux probably needs to cache several chunks at a time to perform whatever comparisons are needed.  The problem is, I'm not a C/C++ programmer, so I need some assistance.<br />
<br />
I don't think that it would be terribly difficult to implement, but it's beyond my abilities.  Everything else in the project is done and tested, so this is the last piece.  It's even got a pretty front end that matches the TiVoWeb interface to show you what's playing (thanks to embeem for giving me permission to use his stylesheets).  The project is GPL'd, or will be once it's released.  I do have a demo online that shows the interface for those who might be interested in helping but want more information first.<br />
<br />
Thanks for the help in advance.  I know everyone's getting busy with the holiday season, but this project is ready to roll once this last piece is done.  I'd love to have it out for everyone for the holidays.<br />
<br />
- Stealth DaveOkay, after quite a bit of digging, I was able to hack in more pipe support to TyProcess.  Currently if you want to use pipes for TyProcess, you <i><b>must</b></i> pipe both input and output, and -demux and -mplex are assumed.  This patch allows you to specify <i>either</i> input from pipe with -demux assumed <i>or</i> output to pipe with -mplex assumed.  The new flags are -ipipe and -opipe, respectively.  The upshot of this is that I can now input from stdin and output the demux'd files!  Woohoo!<br />
<br />
So for those who would find it useful, the patch is attached.  Three files were changed: main.cpp, typrocess.cpp, and typrocess.h.  Nothing major was changed as pipe support was already present.  I just added some finer controls to the command-line.<br />
<br />
- Stealth Davecool - three cheers for opensource! <br />
<br />
('n a couple for SD <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> )<b>TYSTREAMER 0.1 IS RELEASED!!!</b><br />
<br />
Visit the web site at <a href="http://www.wiskars.com/tystreamer/" target="_blank">http://www.wiskars.com/tystreamer/</a> for details and downloads!<br />
<br />
Project Description:<br />
<b>tystreamer</b> is a proxy server which pulls programs from your TiVo and re-streams them to the client (your browser) at a lower bit-rate so that it can be viewed in real-time over bandwidth-challenged network connections, such as 802.11b or the internet. It does this by using M2VRequantizer from <a href="http://www.metakine.com" target="_blank">Metakine</a> to resize the mpeg stream without completely re-encoding, allowing tystreamer to be run on minimal hardware resources. tystreamer was developed and tested primarily on a G3 700Mhz iBook.<br />
<br />
Comments and suggestions are welcome!<br />
<br />
- Stealth DaveIs anyone doing any active development on TyStudio?  I have some bugs to report (not to mention a patch to submit), and some suggestions.  The mailing list seems pretty well dead, though.  Anyone know if Olaf, MrBassMan, or anyone else is now or planning on being active in development again?<br />
<br />
- Stealth DaveI've been toying with this idea for a while.  So I finally wrote it.  This program accepts ANSI type escape codes and text from a fifo and does it's best to display the text on the osd on Series 1 TiVos.<br />
<br />
Documentation is included.<br />
<br />
Short Version:<br />
<br />
Run it:<br />
<br />
nicepri fifo 1 osdcons &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;/tmp/osdcons.stderr &amp;<br />
<br />
Use it:<br />
<br />
cat &lt;file &gt;/tmp/osdconsole<br />
<br />
-or-<br />
<br />
fd=open(&quot;/tmp/osdconsole&quot;,O_WRONLY);<br />
write(fd,&quot;Hi There&quot;,8);<br />
close(fd);<br />
<br />
Let me know if anyone finds this useful.  Smooth scroll is kinda cool.<br />
<br />
BrandonHas anyone gone about mapping the resource bitmaps for a SA Tivo? By that I mean determining which bitmaps are used where.<br />
I just pulled out the various .png files from my UK machine, and there's even bitmaps for DTivo in there! I'll be going through the various screens and documenting the filenames of bars, icons and stuff if I get time with a view to updating some with cleaner images.<br />
<br />
...unless someone's already been there, done that, bought the t-shirt?I just discovered a better way to get the current context.  The previous method (that I have seen) was to send a dumpstate event and look in /tmp/mwstate for the state number.  If you send a &quot;ping&quot; event, CONTEXT_PING_ACK comes back with the current context.  Has anyone mapped all the contexts?  I have done many of them.  It looks like a copy of context.tcl would be the definitive answer, however it is absent from the /tvlib/tcl/tv directory on every version I've checked.<br />
<br />
Anyway, here is an example of how to get the current context at startup and keep it updated as long as the program runs:<br />
<br />
<pre>#!/tvbin/tivosh

source $tcl_library/tv/sendkey.tcl

proc EventCallback { type subtype } {
 global EventData EventWait CurrentContext CurrentFsid
 if { $type == $TmkEvent::EVT_MW_STATUS } {
   if { $subtype == $TmkEventMwStatus::CONTEXT_CHANGE || \
        $subtype == $TmkEventMwStatus::CONTEXT_PING_ACK } {
    binary scan $EventData I CurrentContext
   }
  }
}

set CurrentContext 0

event register $TmkEvent::EVT_MW_STATUS   EventCallback

if { $CurrentContext == 0 } {
 set verboseSendKeyG 0
 SendKey ping
 vwait CurrentContext
}

while {1} {
 puts &quot;CurrentContext= $CurrentContext&quot;
 vwait CurrentContext
}
</pre>I just discovered a better way to get the current context.  The previous method (that I have seen) was to send a dumpstate event and look in /tmp/mwstate for the state number.  If you send a &quot;ping&quot; event, CONTEXT_PING_ACK comes back with the current context.  Has anyone mapped all the contexts?  I have done many of them.  It looks like a copy of context.tcl would be the definitive answer, however it is absent from the /tvlib/tcl/tv directory on every version I've checked.<br />
<br />
Anyway, here is an example of how to get the current context at startup and keep it updated as long as the program runs:<br />
<br />
<pre>#!/tvbin/tivosh

source $tcl_library/tv/sendkey.tcl

proc EventCallback { type subtype } {
 global EventData CurrentContext
 if { $type == $TmkEvent::EVT_MW_STATUS } {
   if { $subtype == $TmkEventMwStatus::CONTEXT_CHANGE || \
        $subtype == $TmkEventMwStatus::CONTEXT_PING_ACK } {
    binary scan $EventData I CurrentContext
   }
  }
}

set CurrentContext 0

event register $TmkEvent::EVT_MW_STATUS   EventCallback

if { $CurrentContext == 0 } {
 set verboseSendKeyG 0
 SendKey ping
 vwait CurrentContext
}

while {1} {
 puts &quot;CurrentContext= $CurrentContext&quot;
 vwait CurrentContext
}
</pre>Here is an example of how to use it from a Tcl script:<br />
<br />
<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh

    set OSD &quot;/tmp/osdconsole&quot;

    if { !([file exists $OSD] &amp;&amp; \
           [file type $OSD] == &quot;fifo&quot; &amp;&amp; \
           ![catch { set cons [open $OSD {WRONLY NONBLOCK}] } ] ) } {
     puts stderr &quot;FATAL: osdcons not active ($OSD not a writable fifo)&quot;
     exit 1
    }

    puts -nonewline $cons &quot;\033\133H\033\133JHello World!&quot;
    puts -nonewline $cons &quot;\014&quot;
    flush $cons

    after 1000

    puts -nonewline $cons &quot;\033\133H\033\1332J&quot;
    puts -nonewline $cons &quot;\014&quot;
    flush $cons

    close $cons</pre>I am about to start hacking my Series 2 to get PAL support working ala Tridge on Series 1.  For now I will focus on the A/V input as this will be possible with only software mods and I will tackle replacing the NTSC tuner with a PAL one later.  The biggest issue to overcome will probably be the undocumented Broadcom MPEG encoder.  I plan to tackle this using the combination of disassembly of the Tivo broadcom driver and a Windows driver that has PAL support eg Hauppauge PVR.  To save reinventing the wheel, has any one else tackle such a task already?anybody know why  <br />
<br />
/var# test.tcl<br />
<br />
produces this line of junk to stdout before the script is executed<br />
<br />
&lt;166&gt;Jan 11 09:22:19 tcl[219]: Tcl created pool of 1458176 bytes<br />
<br />
and how to turn that off without compiling another tcl library?  (doable but a pain)Those messages are intended for syslog, stop running those null log scripts <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif" border=0 alt="Wink">very funny, just want to be able to open a script as a pipeline w/o having to filter those out all the time<br />
<br />
spose I could rewrite 'em in bash (ick)I've been toying with this idea for a while.  So I finally wrote it.  This program accepts ANSI type escape codes and text from a fifo and does it's best to display the text on the osd on Series 1 TiVos.<br />
<br />
Documentation is included.<br />
<br />
Short Version:<br />
<br />
Run it:<br />
<br />
nicepri fifo 1 osdcons &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;/tmp/osdcons.stderr &amp;<br />
<br />
Use it:<br />
<br />
cat &lt;file &gt;/tmp/osdconsole<br />
<br />
-or-<br />
<br />
fd=open(&quot;/tmp/osdconsole&quot;,O_WRONLY);<br />
write(fd,&quot;Hi There&quot;,8);<br />
close(fd);<br />
<br />
Let me know if anyone finds this useful.  Smooth scroll is kinda cool.<br />
<br />
edit:  V1.1 is now the latest (01/12/2004)<br />
<br />
BrandonI tried to replace a ChannelDefinition within a Channel with another ChannelDefinition object.  But my code causes the tivo to reboot.  What I tried to do is to have two channel number showing the same channel content?  Also, can someone explain why some object (such as ApgChannel and Station) can be replaced and some can not?  Another question, is there anyway to clone a ApgChannel from a source ApgChannel tree?<br />
<br />
This is my code fragment to do the replacement.  Thanks for reading:<br />
<br />
<pre>#!/tvbin/tivosh
# Replace ChannelDefinition

EnableTransactionHoldoff true
tvsource $tcl_library/tv/mfslib.tcl
set db [dbopen]
# procedure to replace the ChannelDefinition object by another
# target Channel (fsid/subobjid), the ChannelDefiniton to be replaced
# source Channel (newfsid/newsubobjid)
proc do_replace {chnum fsid subobjid newfsid newsubobjid} {
  global db

  puts &quot;opening database&quot;

  RetryTransaction {
    set obj [db $db open /Setup]
    set s [dbobj $obj get Source]
  }


  RetryTransaction {
     puts &quot;searching for channel $chnum $fsid/$subobjid&quot;
     try {
# retrieving ChannelDefinition to be replaced
       set chanobj [db $db openidconstruction $fsid $subobjid]
       set apg [dbobj $chanobj get ApgChannel]
# I dont really need the ChannelDefinition object.  It is being replaced anyway
       set chdefobj [dbobj $apg get ChannelDefinition]

# finding the Channel that contain the &quot;wanted&quot; ChannelDefinition
       set newchanobj [db $db openidconstruction $newfsid $newsubobjid]
       set newapg [dbobj $newchanobj get ApgChannel]
       set newchdefobj [dbobj $newapg get ChannelDefinition]
# newchdefobj is the object that we want to set on chanobj

       dbobj $apg set ChannelDefinition $newchdefobj
# never reach here.  tivo reboots

    } catch errCode {
       puts &quot;failed with: $errCode&quot;
    }
        
  }
}

do_replace 408 2856 1818 2856 1234



dbclose $db</pre>Proposal:<br />
<br />
Dynamically replace accesses to the disk with accesses to a network stream. This might allow the &quot;myworld&quot; application to work as it does today but when it requests disk information a redirect is made to acquire the information from the network.<br />
<br />
Method:<br />
<br />
The current method I'm playing with is a loadable device driver that intercepts certain system calls to dynamically replace disk sector reads with network reads (&quot;streams&quot;). <br />
<br />
Also, insert &quot;empty&quot; NowShowing entries that can be flagged for redirect. (This is the primary problem I'm having now...)<br />
<br />
Background:<br />
<br />
I've thought for some time now that it should be possible to intercept/replace system calls to redirect disk accesses over the network. <br />
<br />
So, shortly before the holidays I found a little time to play with some code. I spent some time reading about Linux Rootkits and dynamically loadable device drivers. I also spent some time reading through (and sometimes understanding) Tridge's MFS code. Recently I've spent some time looking through and playing with the &quot;mfs_ftp.tcl&quot; script.<br />
<br />
I have written a device driver with hard coded sector numbers that are automatically replaced. This means I can select a &quot;NowShowing&quot; program and Tivo, instead of playing that program, will show a .ty file mounted on a NFS disk. So, the selected &quot;NowShowing&quot; entry really does have allocated disk sectors - I'm just dynamically replacing the sector reads with reads from an NFS mounted file. This was a big step that confirmed my idea that the &quot;myworld&quot; app reads could be dynamically redirect at the system call level.<br />
<br />
This is a proof-of-concept. But this is only half of the solution. This test required that a &quot;NowShowing&quot; entry actually exist with real allocated sectors.<br />
<br />
Now I'm looking at creating &quot;empty&quot; mfs db entries that can be mapped to these NFS mounted files. So, I modified mfs_ftp.tcl by replacing:<br />
<br />
catch { set new_part [mfs streamcreate 131072 [expr $streamsize / 131072]] } ev<br />
<br />
with <br />
<br />
catch { set new_part [mfs streamcreate 131072 1] } ev --- this creates an inode entry in the mfs<br />
<br />
This will allow me to create a NowShowing entry with a smaller amount or real allocated disk space. I was just playing with this code and I would probably now change the 131072 to something like 512. I might want to store metadata about the NFS stream in this 512 bytes.<br />
<br />
I also commented out the section of mfs_ftp.tcl that populates the sectors with real .ty data.<br />
<br />
So what I get is a mfs db entry for NowShowing that has a (relatively) small amount of real sectors allocated. It also has not real .ty data.<br />
<br />
To test this scenario I decided to write a driver to intercept the request for the newly created inode and replace it with a working populated inode. I just fixed up the dynamically replaced inode with the correct &quot;.id&quot; (refer to Tridge's mfs.h file). The rest of the inode mapped to some other program that is really recorded on the disk. In this case I'm not yet trying to redirect sector requests - I'm just trying to tell &quot;myworld&quot; that when it requests and inode for the dummy entry here is a real inode with real allocated sectors.<br />
<br />
Now I'm getting CRC errors (reported in /var/log/tverr) and corrupted filesystem crashes.<br />
<br />
Note: mfs_info with the dummy tystream id as the argument does return information about the inodes for the redirected inode.<br />
<br />
Desired:<br />
<br />
What I would like to do is create &quot;emtpy&quot; entries in NowShowing. A device driver would intercept requests for the &quot;emtpy&quot; inode and jump out to  &quot;user space&quot; - use something like mfs_ftp.tcl to insert an FSID with real allocated sectors (no .ty data) - return the inode information for this newly created FSID back to &quot;myworld&quot;. Then when &quot;myworld&quot; requested these newly allocated sectors these requests are redirected as file reads for network mounted NFS files (eventally directly streamed from other Tivos).<br />
<br />
Problem:<br />
<br />
The current problem I'm running into is that fact that the mfs db and inode (returned by my inode redirector driver) are not consistent. This seams to be the reason &quot;myworld&quot; is reporting CRC errors.<br />
<br />
Questions:<br />
<br />
Does this approach(es) seem reasonable?<br />
<br />
Is there anything that jumps out as impossible?<br />
<br />
Does anyone fully understand that relationship between [mfs streamcreate] and adding &quot;parts&quot; for the mfs entry to the inode entries on the disk? If so do you understand why I'm getting these CRC errors?<br />
<br />
Is it possible to dump out all of the mfs db information about a NowShowing entry - including part information. Then is it possible to set any of this information. I would like &quot;myworld&quot; to think that everything is fully populated for the entry - but no sectors (or only one sector) is really allocated. Does anyone know how to do this?<br />
<br />
Wrap-up:<br />
<br />
If anything, I hope that others find this information helpful towards a better understanding of our Tivos.<br />
<br />
Note: All of this work so far has been on my old SA1. But, except for a few modifications, each of the drivers should work with my S2 DTivos.<br />
<br />
Thanks for any information.Sounds like you're working on a &quot;proper&quot; version of something I've just about got working in rather more hacked way. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
I've been creating &quot;dummy&quot; Now Playing entries in code by reading the XML cache from mfs_ftp on a remote TiVo and inserting them as recordings with a blank Part of 1Mb. When you play them it triggers an error event as the video is duff, which I capture and then initiate an mfs_ftp file transfer of the requested file.<br />
<br />
Don't use mfs streamcreate, use mfs streamfill to create a dummy zero-filled ty of 1Mb attached to one entry. I then link all the entries to that one Part, to avoid cluttering the disk with dozens of blanks. <br />
<br />
mfs_ftp has procs in it to parse the XML from a tmf into an array; you then just create a recording and Set the values of your new recording to the values in the array. there are procs in mfs_ftp to do that too!<br />
<br />
<pre>
RetryTransaction {
		set refresh_menu [db $db openid $refresh]
		set exist_part [dbobj $refresh_menu get Part]
		set exist_partfsid  [dbobj $exist_part subobjid]
		set recording [db $db create Recording]
		set newpart [db $db createsub RecordingPart $recording]
		dbobj $recording add Part $newpart
		set exist_part [db $db openid $refresh $exist_partfsid]
		dbobj $newpart copyfrom $exist_part
		dbobj $recording set StreamFileSize 1024


... set all the other stuff here

}
</pre>Sounds like you're working on a &quot;proper&quot; version of something I've just about got working in rather more hacked way. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
I've been creating &quot;dummy&quot; Now Playing entries in code by reading the XML cache from mfs_ftp on a remote TiVo and inserting them as recordings with a blank Part of 1Mb. When you play them it triggers an error event as the video is duff, which I capture and then initiate an mfs_ftp file transfer of the requested file.<br />
<br />
Don't use mfs streamcreate, use mfs streamfill to create a dummy zero-filled ty of 1Mb attached to one entry. I then link all the entries to that one Part, to avoid cluttering the disk with dozens of blanks. <br />
<br />
mfs_ftp has procs in it to parse the XML from a tmf into an array; you then just create a recording and Set the values of your new recording to the values in the array. there are procs in mfs_ftp to do that too!<br />
<br />
<pre>
RetryTransaction {
		set refresh_menu [db $db openid $refresh]
		set existing_part [dbobj $refresh_menu get Part]
		set exist_partfsid  [dbobj $existing_part subobjid]
		set recording [db $db create Recording]
		set newpart [db $db createsub RecordingPart $recording]
		dbobj $recording add Part $newpart
		set exist_part [db $db openid $refresh $exist_partfsid]
		dbobj $newpart copyfrom $exist_part
		dbobj $recording set StreamFileSize 1024


... set all the other stuff here

}
</pre>When you call &quot;[mfs streamsize id]&quot; where does the data come from? Is this information cached in myworld?<br />
<br />
Is there a way to set these values directly?<br />
<br />
Never mind - I found it gets it from the inode - as I would expect. The only problem is the I'm still getting CRC errors whenever my redirected sector is read.<br />
<br />
Does anyone have an idea what this error means?<br />
<br />
Jan 13 06:31:05 (none) FsNodeTable[178]: Inode page 118536 has bad CRC in primary<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
<br />
very funny, just want to be able to open a script as a pipeline w/o having to filter those out all the time<br />
<br />
spose I could rewrite 'em in bash (ick)<br />
<br />
<br />
edit:  sigh, my bad.  when the heck did I comment out syslogd???Does anyone have a working strace?<br />
<br />
Mine does the folowing<br />
$ strace strace<br />
execve(&quot;/var/hack/bin/strace&quot;, [&quot;strace&quot;], [/* 29 vars */]) = 0<br />
brk(0)                                  = 0x186b388<br />
open(&quot;/etc/ld.so.preload&quot;, O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)<br />
open(&quot;libc.so&quot;, O_RDONLY)               = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)<br />
open(&quot;/var/hack/lib/libc.so&quot;, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)<br />
open(&quot;/lib/libc.so&quot;, O_RDONLY)          = 3<br />
mmap(0x1864718, 25594136, 0x200eae0, 0x8 /* MAP_??? */|MAP_ANONYMOUS|MAP_NORESERVE|MAP_DENYWRITE|0x7fffe280, 2147478104, 0) = 0x3000d000<br />
munmap(0x3000d000, 4096)                = 0<br />
mmap(0x1864718, 25594136, 0x200eae0, 0x8 /* MAP_??? */|MAP_ANONYMOUS|MAP_NORESERVE|MAP_DENYWRITE|0x7fffe280, 2147478104, 0) = 0x30050000<br />
mprotect(0x300eb000, 378916, PROT_NONE) = 0<br />
mmap(0, 0, PROT_NONE, 0 /* MAP_??? */, 0, 0) = 0x30120000<br />
mmap(Illegal Instruction<br />
<br />
$ uname -a<br />
Linux (none) 2.1.24-TiVo-2.5 #8 Wed May 8 15:38:27 PDT 2002 ppc unknown<br />
<pre>
alias strace='strace -e '\''!mmap'\'''
</pre><br />
<br />
cheap hack, I know.. but that's the way I've been handling thatHere is a printout of a tystream inode (struct mfs_inode):<br />
<br />
inode.id = 0x002965cd   (2713037)<br />
inode.typexx = 0x00000001<br />
<br />
fill1:<br />
        fill1[0]=0x000000b3     (179)<br />
        fill1[1]=0x00a20ef3     (10620659)<br />
        fill1[2]=0x000118c5     (71877)<br />
<br />
inode.units = 0x00020000        (131072)<br />
inode.size =  0x00001000        (4096)<br />
<br />
fill2:<br />
        fill2[0]=0x00020000     (131072)<br />
        fill2[1]=0x00000fff     (4095)<br />
        fill2[2]=0x3f5cf4d9     (1063056601)<br />
<br />
inode.type = 0x02<br />
inode.fill3 = 0x01<br />
inode.fill4 = 0xbeef<br />
<br />
fill5:<br />
        fill5[0]=0x91231ebc     (2434997948)<br />
        fill5[1]=0xd0a5776d     (3500504941)<br />
<br />
inode.flags = 0x80000000<br />
inode.num_runs = 7<br />
<br />
        inode.u.runs[0].start = 0x062e3400      (103691264)<br />
        inode.u.runs[0].len = 0x00040000        (262144)<br />
        inode.u.runs[1].start = 0x01e23400      (31601664)<br />
        inode.u.runs[1].len = 0x00040000        (262144)<br />
        inode.u.runs[2].start = 0x04603400      (73413632)<br />
        inode.u.runs[2].len = 0x00020000        (131072)<br />
        inode.u.runs[3].start = 0x069e3400      (111031296)<br />
        inode.u.runs[3].len = 0x00020000        (131072)<br />
        inode.u.runs[4].start = 0x06d83400      (114832384)<br />
        inode.u.runs[4].len = 0x00020000        (131072)<br />
        inode.u.runs[5].start = 0x04d43400      (81015808)<br />
        inode.u.runs[5].len = 0x00010000        (65536)<br />
        inode.u.runs[6].start = 0x004c0000      (4980736)<br />
        inode.u.runs[6].len = 0x00010000        (65536)<br />
<br />
It seems to me that possibly one of these &quot;fill&quot; values contains the CRC for this inode. But I have tried the crc functions from Tridge's MFS code against the entire inode, parts of the inode, used the auto_crc, etc. and can't seem to find the CRC. <br />
<br />
I'm left with these questions:<br />
<br />
Is there a CRC value in the inode?<br />
If so, which fill value contains this CRC? <br />
And how is the CRC calculated?<br />
<br />
If there is not a CRC in the inode then when I'm swapping out the inode entry for some other inode entry why is myworld complaining about a CRC error?<br />
<br />
(mumble, mumble, ramble, ramble, ...)<br />
<br />
Muchas graciasAny development on this?<br />
<br />
Andr<a href="http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://tivohack.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivohack.sourceforge.net/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://tivo-mplayer.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivo-mplayer.sourceforge.net/</a><a href="http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://tivohack.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivohack.sourceforge.net/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://tivo-mplayer.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://tivo-mplayer.sourceforge.net/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/byrequest/" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/projects/byrequest/</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://freevo.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://freevo.sourceforge.net/</a>So with some IRC help last night I found out that the CRC is contained in the fill5[1] field. I ran the check_crc on my inodes and got a match. Then I turned around and used crc32 to create a new matching CRC value. <br />
<br />
Now I can dynamically replace inode requests with virtual inodes that contain CRC's so that the tivoapp will not complain.<br />
I've been toying with this idea for a while.  So I finally wrote it.  This program accepts ANSI type escape codes and text from a fifo and does it's best to display the text on the osd on Series 1 TiVos.<br />
<br />
Documentation is included.<br />
<br />
Short Version:<br />
<br />
Run it:<br />
<br />
nicepri fifo 1 osdcons &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;/tmp/osdcons.stderr &amp;<br />
<br />
Use it:<br />
<br />
cat &lt;file &gt;/tmp/osdconsole<br />
<br />
-or-<br />
<br />
fd=open(&quot;/tmp/osdconsole&quot;,O_WRONLY);<br />
write(fd,&quot;Hi There&quot;,8);<br />
close(fd);<br />
<br />
Let me know if anyone finds this useful.  Smooth scroll is kinda cool.<br />
<br />
edit:  V1.1A is now the latest (01/16/2004)<br />
<br />
BrandonLooking at the disassembly of the Broadcom BCM7030 decoder on the Series 2 (brcmdrv-rb.o), these ioctls from the S1 are very similar (if not identical, I have not checked them all).  However none of them seem to control NSTC vs PAL output.  Does anyone know how to switch the output to PAL mode eg adjust resolution and frame rate?  I have worked out how to enable PAL input on the SAA7114 and Broadcom encoder, but this is the last piece of the puzzle.<br />
<pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh

proc find_a_station { snum } {
global db info
 RetryTransaction {
  set Setup [db $db open /Setup]
  set Source [dbobj $Setup get Source]
  set channels [dbobj $Source get Channel]
  set station &quot;&quot;
  puts &quot;checking channels: &quot;
  foreach chan $channels {
   if { $station == &quot;&quot; } {
     set number [dbobj $chan get Number]
     puts -nonewline &quot; $number&quot;
     if { $number == $snum } {
	set station [dbobj $chan get Station]
	set sfsid [dbobj $station fsid]
	set Name [dbobj $station get Name]
	set CallSign [dbobj $station get CallSign]
	puts &quot;\nChannel Number: \&quot;$number\&quot;&quot;
	puts &quot;Name: \&quot;$Name\&quot;&quot;
	puts &quot;CallSign: \&quot;$CallSign\&quot;&quot;
	puts &quot;Stationfsid: \&quot;$sfsid\&quot;&quot;
     }
   }
  }
 }
 set info(sfsid) $sfsid
}

proc make_blank_rec { ProgramTitle } {
global info version db
puts &quot;make_blank_rec: \&quot;$ProgramTitle\&quot;&quot;
 if { $ProgramTitle == &quot;&quot; } { set ProgramTitle &quot;unknown title - inserting&quot; }
 set date [expr [clock seconds] / 86400]
 set time [expr [expr [clock seconds] % 86400] + 30 ]
 set Duration 30
 RetryTransaction {
  set recording [db $db create Recording]
  set recordingfsid [ dbobj $recording fsid ]
  dbobj $recording set BitRate 0
  dbobj $recording set ExpirationTime 0
  dbobj $recording set RecordQuality 100
  dbobj $recording set Score 100
  dbobj $recording set State 6
  if { $info(saveuntil) == &quot;delete&quot; } {
   dbobj $recording set ExpirationDate 24855
   dbobj $recording set SelectionType 3
  } else {
   dbobj $recording set ExpirationDate [expr $date + 7*86400]
   dbobj $recording set SelectionType 3
  }
  dbobj $recording set StartDate $date
  dbobj $recording set StopDate $date
  dbobj $recording set StartTime $time
  dbobj $recording set StopTime [expr $time + $Duration]
  set station [db $db openid $info(sfsid)]
  if { $version &gt;= 3 } {
	dbobj $recording set UsedBy 1
	set recordingbehavior [db $db createsub RecordingBehavior $recording]
	foreach Behavior {DiskBehavior PresentationBehavior ProgramGuideBehavior} { dbobj $recordingbehavior set $Behavior 1 }
	dbobj $recordingbehavior set TunerBehavior 3
	dbobj $recording set RecordingBehavior $recordingbehavior
  }
  set showing [db $db createsub Showing $recording]
  dbobj $showing set Date $date
  dbobj $showing set Duration $Duration
  dbobj $showing set Station $station
  dbobj $showing set Time $time
  dbobj $recording set Showing $showing
  dbobj $recording set StreamFileSize 0
  set program [db $db create Program]
  dbobj $program set Title &quot;$recordingfsid - $ProgramTitle&quot;
  dbobj $program set OriginalAirDate &quot;$date&quot;
  dbobj $showing set Program $program
 }
 puts &quot;created blank recording \{$recordingfsid\}&quot;
 return $recordingfsid
}

set db [dbopen]
set info(saveuntil) &quot;delete&quot;
set version 3
find_a_station 2
set recfsid [make_blank_rec &quot;manual recording via script&quot;]
</pre><pre>
#!/tvbin/tivosh

proc find_a_station { snum } {
global db info
 RetryTransaction {
  set Setup [db $db open /Setup]
  set Source [dbobj $Setup get Source]
  set channels [dbobj $Source get Channel]
  set station &quot;&quot;
  puts &quot;checking channels: &quot;
  foreach chan $channels {
   if { $station == &quot;&quot; } {
     set number [dbobj $chan get Number]
     puts -nonewline &quot; $number&quot;
     if { $number == $snum } {
	set station [dbobj $chan get Station]
	set sfsid [dbobj $station fsid]
	set Name [dbobj $station get Name]
	set CallSign [dbobj $station get CallSign]
	puts &quot;\nChannel Number: \&quot;$number\&quot;&quot;
	puts &quot;Name: \&quot;$Name\&quot;&quot;
	puts &quot;CallSign: \&quot;$CallSign\&quot;&quot;
	puts &quot;Stationfsid: \&quot;$sfsid\&quot;&quot;
     }
   }
  }
 }
 set info(sfsid) $sfsid
}

proc make_blank_rec { ProgramTitle } {
global info version db
puts &quot;make_blank_rec: \&quot;$ProgramTitle\&quot;&quot;
 if { $ProgramTitle == &quot;&quot; } { set ProgramTitle &quot;unknown title - inserting&quot; }
 set date [expr [clock seconds] / 86400]
 set time [expr [expr [clock seconds] % 86400] + 30 ]
 set Duration 30
 RetryTransaction {
  set recording [db $db create Recording]
  set recordingfsid [ dbobj $recording fsid ]
  dbobj $recording set BitRate 0
  dbobj $recording set ExpirationTime 0
  dbobj $recording set RecordQuality 100
  dbobj $recording set Score 100
  dbobj $recording set State 6
  if { $info(saveuntil) == &quot;delete&quot; } {
   dbobj $recording set ExpirationDate 24855
   dbobj $recording set SelectionType 3
  } else {
   dbobj $recording set ExpirationDate [expr $date + 7*86400]
   dbobj $recording set SelectionType 3
  }
  dbobj $recording set StartDate $date
  dbobj $recording set StopDate $date
  dbobj $recording set StartTime $time
  dbobj $recording set StopTime [expr $time + $Duration]
  set station [db $db openid $info(sfsid)]
  if { $version &gt;= 3 } {
	dbobj $recording set UsedBy 1
	set recordingbehavior [db $db createsub RecordingBehavior $recording]
	foreach Behavior {DiskBehavior PresentationBehavior ProgramGuideBehavior} { dbobj $recordingbehavior set $Behavior 1 }
	dbobj $recordingbehavior set TunerBehavior 3
	dbobj $recording set RecordingBehavior $recordingbehavior
  }
  set showing [db $db createsub Showing $recording]
  dbobj $showing set Date $date
  dbobj $showing set Duration $Duration
  dbobj $showing set Station $station
  dbobj $showing set Time $time
  dbobj $recording set Showing $showing
  dbobj $recording set StreamFileSize 0
  set program [db $db create Program]
  dbobj $program set Title &quot;$recordingfsid - $ProgramTitle&quot;
  dbobj $program set OriginalAirDate &quot;$date&quot;
  dbobj $showing set Program $program
 }
 puts &quot;created blank recording \{$recordingfsid\}&quot;
 return $recordingfsid
}

set db [dbopen]
set info(saveuntil) &quot;delete&quot;
set version 3
find_a_station 2
set recfsid [make_blank_rec &quot;manual recording via script&quot;]
</pre>Hi:<br />
<br />
I downloaded the tar ball from tivoutils.soureforge.net and put into my RedHat 7.1.  When tried to compile a test program I got the following error:<br />
<br />
$ mips-TiVo-linux-gcc -o hello1 hello.c<br />
 /usr/local/mips-tivo/lib/gcc-lib/mips-TiVo-linux/3.0/../../. ./../mips-TiVo-linux/bin/ld: error while loading shared libraries:  /usr/local/mips-tivo/lib/gcc-lib/mips-TiVo-linux/3.0/../../. ./../mips-TiVo-linux/bin/ld: symbol fnmatch, version GLIBC_2.2.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference<br />
collect2: ld returned 127 exit status<br />
<br />
and looks like the GLIBC_2.2.3 has some mismatch there in the tar ball.  Anyone seen this ?! ... how do I get it fixed ?! ... Thanks in advance !<br />
<br />
PPHi i am interested in the project. we could work together.<br />
i have written some code, and am going through the source code of TyStudio. If i could be of any help, please let me know.<br />
i am interested in the development.I have a script which creates a Recording and creates and assignes a number of Parts in advance, then pours video into each Part using mfs_insert - it's based on Riley's mfs_ftp code.<br />
<br />
Everything looks OK - the MFS entries look identical to &quot;normal&quot; shows, the video is going in OK (I can extract the Recording using the usual tools and it plays on my PC and acts just like a regular Recording). BUT - TiVo won't play it. It comes up the the &quot;No Video&quot; blue screen as it would if you'd never added any video.<br />
<br />
If I use the same script to create a Recording which has only one Part, it works fine.<br />
<br />
It seems to be something to do with creating the Parts all at once and only filling them one at a time.<br />
<br />
Am I missing something very obvious here? Does mfs_insert only work right on the most recently created Part?<br />
I have a script which creates a Recording and creates and assignes a number of Parts in advance, then pours video into each Part using mfs_insert - it's based on Riley's mfs_ftp code.<br />
<br />
Everything looks OK - the MFS entries look identical to &quot;normal&quot; shows, the video is going in OK (I can extract the Recording using the usual tools and it plays on my PC and acts just like a regular Recording). BUT - TiVo won't play it. It comes up the the &quot;No Video&quot; blue screen as it would if you'd never added any video.<br />
<br />
If I use the same script to create a Recording which has only one Part, it works fine.<br />
<br />
It seems to be something to do with creating the Parts all at once and only filling them one at a time.<br />
<br />
Am I missing something very obvious here? Does mfs_insert only work right on the most recently created Part?<br />
<br />
[Edit - OK, I've now read the realavant thread and think I can see my problem. Apols for not reading enough in advance!]<br />
I have a script which creates a Recording and creates and assignes a number of Parts in advance, then pours video into each Part using mfs_insert - it's based on Riley's mfs_ftp code.<br />
<br />
Everything looks OK - the MFS entries look identical to &quot;normal&quot; shows, the video is going in OK (I can extract the Recording using the usual tools and it plays on my PC and acts just like a regular Recording). BUT - TiVo won't play it. It comes up the the &quot;No Video&quot; blue screen as it would if you'd never added any video.<br />
<br />
If I use the same script to create a Recording which has only one Part, it works fine.<br />
<br />
It seems to be something to do with creating the Parts all at once and only filling them one at a time.<br />
<br />
Am I missing something very obvious here? Does mfs_insert only work right on the most recently created Part?<br />
<br />
[Edit - OK, I've now read the relavant thread and can see my problem. Didn't realise TiVo cached the headers from ALL the Parts at the start. Apols for not reading enough in advance!]<br />
That caching thing's a pain. I'm running into a similar problem. Let me know if you find some programmatic way to get TiVo (myworld) to refresh or invalidate its cache.<br />
<br />
Does anyone know how to play a sound programatically? Either a standard TiVo sound or a user created one.<br />
<br />
I've releases a patch for mfs_ftp on DD (<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32184" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32184</a>) which, among other things,  sends the headers for each part first so that you can watch as you stream, as described by Riley above.<br />
<br />
It's a bit of a hack though, and can only really be done TiVo to TiVo on the fly, so I'd add my vote to a call an &quot;official&quot; TMF2 spec which includes all the part headers up front.<br />
<br />
That would make inserts froma PC server viewable as they copy.the main reason for the bjuggle hokey pokey was that it would work with tmf or ty, just never got around to implementing it for ty<br />
<br />
seems there are 2 or 3 ways to go here<br />
<br />
1)  tmf2 with a fsid_headers.ty segment preceeding showing.xml (least fuss, no recompiling mfs_tarstream, insert util can process or ignore)<br />
<br />
<br />
2a)  tys (ty streaming) which would be a ty+ with the headers prepended<br />
<br />
128k of part00_header, 128k of part01_header, 128k of part02_header, 128k of part03_header, etc<br />
<br />
so obviously the first chunk without a header is the beginning of part00<br />
<br />
2b) the first part_header chunk could contain the header chunk signature in the first few bytes, fsid size bytes of 1, then  bytes 512-1024 could be ###'s to bracket xml text, xml text, then 512 ###'s, then null's out to the 131072 byte boundry<br />
<br />
<br />
#2 SHOULD work tranparently with tystudio / tytool but wreaks havok on mplayer<br />
<br />
or am I nuts to want want streaming &amp; mplayer compat in the same format?Wouldn't 2b stop trick play during re-insert working right?<br />
<br />
I'd prefer 1) as it's a damn sight easier to deal with and there's no need to get into the content of the data to process it.Wouldn't 2b stop trick play during re-insert working right?<br />
<br />
I'd prefer 1) as it's a damn sight easier to deal with and there's no need to get into the content of the data to process it.<br />
<br />
1) would only take a tiny change in TyTool for it to deal with it right.1's the easiest to do.  it's nice to archive everything on the pc server in a format understood by mplayer/xmbp/etc, but if 2a/b break mplayer compat (which they seem to) then 1's the easiest way to store streamable files<br />
<br />
last I heard tytool didn't process tmf.  it was supposed to but people keep e-mailing me with problems whenever they try it<br />
<br />
<br />
rather than update the transfer util to support a new format, why not just add REST capability.  ty+ could sit on a regular ftp server &amp; the script could grab fsid headers the way chunkedit.tcl grabs segments during editing<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>rc3105 wrote on Sun, 15 February 2004 11:59</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>1's the easiest to do.  it's nice to archive everything on the pc server in a format understood by mplayer/xmbp/etc, but if 2a/b break mplayer compat (which they seem to) then 1's the easiest way to store streamable files<br />
<br />
last I heard tytool didn't process tmf.  it was supposed to but people keep e-mailing me with problems whenever they try it<br />
<br />
<br />
rather than update the transfer util to support a new format, why not just add REST capability.  ty+ could sit on a regular ftp server &amp; the script could grab fsid headers the way chunkedit.tcl grabs segments during editing<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
I'll have look at REST.<br />
<br />
The other thing I had to hack in (but you will doubtless tell me is in there somewhere already!) was the sizes of all the Parts up-front, so I could creat them all in one go. The size info isn't in the XML.<br />
<br />
TyTool processes .tmf's fine for me.<br />
the size of the fsid is in the first few bytes of the header chunk.  (look at the ty insert procs for an example of how to parse that)Cool; I'll check that out. Call me a wimp, but prases like &quot;parse the header chunks&quot; still put the fear of bejezzus into me. Where's my Visual Basic manual again? <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">I have been trying to get S2 streams working in tystudio.  I'd love to join anyone else tinkering with it.Thanx For This Information<br />
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I've been doing some tinkering to see if this is possible.  I know how to create the master chunks, but I need to figure out how to create the chunk headers.  Here is a dump of the records in a sample chunk<div class="pre"><pre>Number of records: 45
Sequence Header at record # 40
0: Sz: 5900, Str: 0x302, Off: 0xb0bd4,  Typ: 0x2e0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
1: Sz: 4, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0b824,  Typ: 0x2e0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
2: Ext: 0x8080, Str: 0x000, Off: 0x00000,  Typ: 0xe02 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
3: Ext: 0x8080, Str: 0x000, Off: 0x00000,  Typ: 0xe01 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
4: Ext: 0x8080, Str: 0x000, Off: 0x00000,  Typ: 0xe02 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
5: Ext: 0x8080, Str: 0x000, Off: 0x00000,  Typ: 0xe01 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
6: Ext: 0x8080, Str: 0x000, Off: 0x00000,  Typ: 0xe02 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
7: Ext: 0x8080, Str: 0x000, Off: 0x00000,  Typ: 0xe01 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
8: Sz: 16, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0c784,  Typ: 0x3c0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
9: Sz: 864, Str: 0x302, Off: 0x17fd0,  Typ: 0x4c0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
10: Sz: 16, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0c794,  Typ: 0x3c0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
11: Sz: 864, Str: 0x302, Off: 0x18330,  Typ: 0x4c0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
12: Sz: 16, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0c7a4,  Typ: 0x3c0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
13: Sz: 864, Str: 0x302, Off: 0x18690,  Typ: 0x4c0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
14: Sz: 16, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0b828,  Typ: 0x6e0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
15: Sz: 4, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0b838,  Typ: 0xbe0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
16: Sz: 13552, Str: 0x302, Off: 0xb22e4,  Typ: 0x2e0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
17: Sz: 38476, Str: 0x302, Off: 0xb57d4,  Typ: 0xae0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
18: Sz: 4, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0b83c,  Typ: 0x2e0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e
19: Sz: 16, Str: 0x300, Off: 0x0b840,  Typ: 0x6e0 , TS: 0x000000000beec76e

...</pre></div> I can recreate the timestamps no problem. Sizes are a pain since I have to search through the mpeg slices for next start code since the size is not part of the slice header. Does anyone know anything about the stream ids (0x300 and 0x302) and the offsets?  It seems that there are four running offsets (audio stream 0x300, audio stream 0x302, video stream 0x300 and video stream 0x302).  The audio streams/offsets are understandable.  All audio PES headers go to stream 0x300 and all the audio payloads go to 0x0302.  Each offset changes correctly with the added size. It's the video streams that are confusing.  For example, I have found examples of P-frames sometimes going into 0x300 and sometimes into 0x302.  Also, the 0x0302 offset is doesn't add up to just 0x302 data (it seems to add in some of the data going to 0x300).  <br />
<br />
Any insight or info would be much appriciated.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
RungMind posting the code that generated this chunk 0 output?<br />
<br />
Thanks<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>cwingert wrote on Thu, 26 February 2004 11:40</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Mind posting the code that generated this chunk 0 output?<br />
<br />
Thanks<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Guess I wasn't clear.  This is chunk header info (i.e. the records contained in normal chunks).  The code that generated it is basically just an implementation of the tystudio <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;dvd-create.sourceforge.net/tystudio/tystream.shtml" target="_blank"> documentation</a>.Sorry.  <br />
<br />
Your chunkedit code seems to have a good understanding of the fields in the header besides size and signature.  Mind giving me (us) a braindump.<br />
<br />
THanks<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>cwingert wrote on Fri, 27 February 2004 13:12</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Sorry.  <br />
<br />
Your chunkedit code seems to have a good understanding of the fields in the header besides size and signature.  Mind giving me (us) a braindump.<br />
<br />
THanks<br></td></tr></table><br />
Honestly, I'm not sure I could add anything that isn't documented in this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=15&amp;start=0&amp;rid=254&amp;S=87ce9578dcdf4c8b8cee7d510fe3602f&amp;SQ=5aba3fe7bdfa90178f93afc242ae874a" target="_blank">thread</a>.  If you had a specific question, maybe it would remind me of something that I learned and promptly forgot after I wrote the code.<br />
<br />
Hey, I'm new here so don't bash me too hard, but I have an idea.<br />
<br />
Would it be possible to modify the initrd in the boot kernel so the checksum is identical to the unmodified kernel?  Would it be possible to put some dummy comment lines in the file so the checksum doesn't change?  That would eliminate the need for this monte stuff and make it much easier to hack 4.0 and beyond.  <br />
<br />
Thoughts?<br />
<br />
Ok, let the bashing begin...It isn't a checksum, it is a hash.  Do a good search for MD5 or SHA1.  It isn't a checksum, it is a hash.  Do a google search for MD5 or SHA1.  I put a S2 version of tyserver and tyindex on dealdatabase.  I'd like to integrate these changes into the CVS but there doesn't seem to be anyone active.  Should we setup a new site?I put a S2 version of tyserver and tyindex on dealdatabase.  I'd like to integrate these changes into the CVS but there doesn't seem to be anyone active.  Should we setup a new site?In version 4.x, a few more space ranges were broken out.<br />
<br />
The original entries of:<pre>
 38000000        38700000   31663477         -1 102400
 38700000        41400000         -1    3027148      0
</pre>became:<pre>
 38000000        38400000   31663477         -1 102400
 38400000        38700000   35191000         -1 102400
 38700000        39700000   31663477         -1 102400
 39700000        41400000         -1    3027148      0
</pre><br />
<br />
So the final table for 4.x is:<br />
<pre>MediaTotal     MediaTotal
RangeBegin       RangeEnd    MaxUser   MaxClips  MaxRB
        0          500000         -1          0      0
   500000        12240000         -1     266240      0
 12240000        14000000   11964416         -1      0
 14000000        18000000         -1    3898176      0
 18000000        22000000   17118208         -1      0
 22000000        25500000         -1    3898176      0
 25500000        25663840   25156608         -1      0
 25663840        25863840   25337856         -1      0
 25863840        27000000   24879104         -1      0    
 27000000        28000000   24879104         -1 102400
 28000000        29000000   25391104         -1      0
 29000000        37000000         -1    2936012      0
 37000000        38000000   35191000         -1 102400
 38000000        38400000   31663477         -1 102400
 38400000        38700000   35191000         -1 102400
 38700000        39700000   31663477         -1 102400
 39700000        41400000         -1    3027148      0
 41400000        43400000   35191000         -1 102400
 43400000        56000000         -1    4194304      0
 56000000        59000000   48201728         -1      0
 59000000      2147483647         -1   10000000      0 
</pre><br />
 Notes:<br />
<ol type="1">
<li> Units are KB (#sectors / 2)
<li> The actual MediaTotalKB is checked against the given ranges until a matching config is found.
<li>There can at most a single &quot;-1&quot; size per config. The &quot;-1&quot; sizes are computed: computedKB = MediaTotalKB sum(other_two_Max_sizes)</ol>Has anyone been able to share files (shows) from one tivo to an other with NFS?<br />
<br />
I have 2 HDVR2s that I would like to install 250 GB drives, share programs (view programs on other tivo) and recording responsibility (record 4 programs in overlapping time slots).<br />
<br />
Is there a monty kernel for large disks and will it run NFS?<br />
Is there a list of &quot;hacks&quot; and uses?<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
<br />
Has anyone been able to share files (shows) from one tivo to an other with NFS?<br />
<br />
I have 2 HDVR2s that I would like to install 250 GB drives, share programs (view programs on other tivo) and recording responsibility (record 4 programs in overlapping time slots).<br />
<br />
Is there a monte kernel for large disks and will it run NFS?<br />
Is there a list of &quot;hacks&quot; and uses?<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
<br />
OK. I'm trying my hand at finding the Sony Remote Enable Bits using 4.01b. I'm pretty sure the Resource Group is 50, but the group seems so much smaller than earlier versions. I've tried a bunch of combinations, the logical ones, with no luck, yet. Has anyone had any success in this version?<br />
<br />
50 0 0<br />
50 1 0<br />
50 2 1<br />
50 3 1<br />
50 4 1<br />
50 5 1<br />
50 6 1<br />
50 7 0<br />
<br />
Thanks.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"> I'd made some progress to try to understand the &quot;stream&quot; field and four running offsets in the chunk headers.  It seems that TiVo's ty's deviate from standard mpeg by adding zeros between records in order to keep some video start codes on a 32 bit boundry.  The multiple stream values reveal where these non-standard zeros reside.  Also, it seems that two of the four streams seem preoccupied with records that have time codes (audio and video), while the other two are &quot;just the data&quot; (audio and video).  The ultimate goal is, of course, to be able to correctly generate these offsets and streams values from an mpeg in order to make a valid ty.<br />
OK. I'm trying my hand at finding the Sony Remote Enable Bits using 4.01b. I'm pretty sure the Resource Group is 50, but the group seems so much smaller than earlier versions. I've tried a bunch of combinations, the logical ones, with no luck, yet. Has anyone had any success in this version?<br />
<br />
50 0 0<br />
50 1 0<br />
50 2 1<br />
50 3 1<br />
50 4 1<br />
50 5 1<br />
50 6 1<br />
50 7 0<br />
<br />
(These are settings for Phillips Remote)<br />
<br />
Thanks.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"> Anyone up to doing a little magic to the vplay source and compile me up a new one that will play a ty file from the ext2 partition it resides in?<br />
<br />
No need to keep any of the mfs routines, I only need this to play a file (on the tivo) from a ext2 directory, can be &quot;kiss&quot; all the way.  <br />
<br />
I have a fast Ben Franklin (US) via paypal. If anyone is interested please email. jmayes1 at jmayes dot com<br />
<br />
Thankx!<br />
JmayesI've used the search facility looking for 'partition' and I didn't<br />
come up with much, so I apologize if this is covered somewhere <br />
else.<br />
<br />
I've been looking for definitive info on what can/cannot be <br />
changed in a the partiton table on Tivo drives. I have learned<br />
that the prom can only boot the kernel from part 3 or 6, and <br />
the rootfs is normally in the corresponding partitions 4 or 7.<br />
<br />
I'm more curious about things like:<br />
<br />
Do any of these partitions have min or max sizes?<br />
<br />
Does the Tivo make any assumptions about part 2 and 5 that <br />
stop them from being used for anything else? From what I've<br />
read I think the answer is no, but I'm not sure I've seen<br />
everything that's been written.<br />
<br />
Any particular reason part 2 is one block, and part 5 is<br />
2MB?<br />
<br />
Do the partition sizes have to be multiples of any<br />
particular amount?<br />
<br />
I assume you can't change the size of an MFS App or Media <br />
Partition that the Tivo software has already been told<br />
about? Is this why MFSadd adds 2 new parts, and doesn't<br />
just grow the 4 that are present?<br />
<br />
Are the Media and App partitions registered with the tivo<br />
software by name? or by partition number? (in otherwords,<br />
will renaming them cause any problems?)<br />
<br />
Where exactly on the disk does bootpage store it's info?<br />
Anyone know?<br />
<br />
    -KyleI have a few ideas on some things I'd like to try. But before I dive in and break something I thought I'd try to collect and  read as much info as I can about it all.<br />
<br />
I've used the search facility looking for 'partition' and I didn't come up with much, so I apologize if this is covered somewhere else.<br />
<br />
I've been looking for definitive info on what can/cannot be changed in a the partiton table on Tivo drives. I have learned that the prom can only boot the kernel from part 3 or 6, and<br />
the rootfs is normally in the corresponding partitions 4 or 7.<br />
<br />
I'm more curious about things like:<br />
<br />
1. Do any of these partitions have min or max sizes?<br />
<br />
2. Does the Tivo make any assumptions about part 2 and 5 that stop them from being used for anything else?<br />
<br />
   From what I've read I think the answer is no, but I'm<br />
   not sure I've seen everything that's been written.<br />
<br />
3. Any particular reason partition 2 is one block, and partition 5 is 2MB?<br />
<br />
4. Do the partition sizes have to be multiples of any particular amount?<br />
<br />
5. I assume you can't change the size of an MFS App or Media <br />
Partition that the Tivo software has already been told<br />
about?<br />
<br />
6. Is this why MFSrestore -x adds 2 new partitions, and doesn't just grow the 4 that are present?<br />
<br />
7. I've noticed that this prevents MFSrestore -p from really keeping the application partitions in the middle of the disks sometimes. How important is the partition layout to performance?<br />
<br />
8. Are the Media and App partitions registered with the tivo software by name? or by partition number? In otherwords, will renaming them cause any problems?<br />
<br />
   My guess is no, since MFSrestore changes the names.<br />
<br />
9. Where exactly on the disk does bootpage store it's info? It's not in partition 2 is it?<br />
<br />
    -KyleI have a few ideas on some things I'd like to try. But before I dive in and break something I thought I'd try to collect and  read as much info as I can about it all.<br />
<br />
I've used the search facility looking for 'partition' and I didn't come up with much, so I apologize if this is covered somewhere else.<br />
<br />
I've been looking for definitive info on what can/cannot be changed in a the partiton table on Tivo drives. I have learned that the prom can only boot the kernel from part 3 or 6, and<br />
the rootfs is normally in the corresponding partitions 4 or 7.<br />
<br />
I'm more curious about things like:<br />
<br />
<b>1. Do any of these partitions have min or max sizes?</b><br />
<br />
<b>2. Does the Tivo make any assumptions about part 2 and 5 that stop them from being used for anything else?</b><br />
<br />
<i>   From what I've read I think the answer is no, but I'm<br />
   not sure I've seen everything that's been written.</i><br />
<br />
<b>3. Any particular reason partition 2 is one block, and partition 5 is 2MB?</b><br />
<br />
<b>4. Do the partition sizes have to be multiples of any particular amount?</b><br />
<br />
<b>5. I assume you can't change the size of an MFS App or Media <br />
Partition that the Tivo software has already been told<br />
about?</b><br />
<br />
<b>6. Is this why MFSrestore -x adds 2 new partitions, and doesn't just grow the 4 that are present?</b><br />
<br />
<b>7. I've noticed that this prevents MFSrestore -p from really <br />
keeping the application partitions in the middle of the disks sometimes. How important is the partition layout to performance?</b><br />
<br />
<b>8. Are the Media and App partitions registered with the tivo software by name? or by partition number? In otherwords, will renaming them cause any problems?</b><br />
<br />
<i>   My guess is no, since MFSrestore changes the names.</i><br />
<br />
<b>9. Where exactly on the disk does bootpage store it's info? It's not in partition 2 is it?</b><br />
<br />
Thanks in advance,<br />
<br />
    -KyleI have a few ideas on some things I'd like to try. But before I dive in and break something I thought I'd try to collect and  read as much info as I can about it all.<br />
<br />
I've used the search facility looking for 'partition' and I didn't come up with much, so I apologize if this is covered somewhere else.<br />
<br />
I've been looking for definitive info on what can/cannot be changed in a the partiton table on Tivo drives. I have learned that the prom can only boot the kernel from part 3 or 6, and<br />
the rootfs is normally in the corresponding partitions 4 or 7.<br />
<br />
I'm more curious about things like:<br />
<br />
<b>1. Do any of these partitions have min or max sizes?</b><br />
<br />
<b>2. Does the Tivo make any assumptions about part 2 and 5 that stop them from being used for anything else?</b><br />
<br />
<i>   From what I've read I think the answer is no, but I'm<br />
   not sure I've seen everything that's been written.</i><br />
<br />
<b>3. Any particular reason partition 2 is one block, and partition 5 is 2MB?</b><br />
<br />
<b>4. Do the partition sizes have to be multiples of any particular amount?</b><br />
<br />
<b>5. I assume you can't change the size of an MFS App or Media Partition that the Tivo software has already been told about?</b><br />
<br />
<b>6. Is this why MFSrestore -x adds 2 new partitions, and doesn't just grow the 4 that are present?</b><br />
<br />
<b>7. I've noticed that this prevents MFSrestore -p from really keeping the application partitions in the middle of the disks sometimes. How important is the partition layout to performance?</b><br />
<br />
<b>8. Are the Media and App partitions registered with the tivo software by name? or by partition number? In otherwords, will renaming them cause any problems?</b><br />
<br />
<i>   My guess is no, since MFSrestore changes the names.</i><br />
<br />
<b>9. Where exactly on the disk does bootpage store it's info? It's not in partition 2 is it?</b><br />
<br />
Thanks in advance,<br />
<br />
    -KyleOk...<br />
<br />
I've been reading more on this site, and loking at some of the dates on the posts. It appears that not many new posts are added here very often. Has everyone moved to another location?<br />
<br />
I chose this forum since (I think) this question is pretty technically oriented, and this seems to be the more technical development forum of them all.<br />
<br />
I'm looking for this info because I'd like to work out the details, and the code to allow a Series 2 with the Monte hack to actually be upgraded automatically. I've read some posts on ideas on how to make that work, but I haven't actually seen any successes or code.<br />
<br />
I think these sites, and the hacks that are available from this community are great, I'd just like to help fill in the blanks and make contribution of my own. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
Is there a better (higher developer traffic) place to post questions like this?<br />
<br />
 -Kyle<br />
I got GKrellM Server compiled so that it works on TiVo Series 2 MIPS. Enjoy!<br />
<br />
<a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;chriscarey.us/software/tivo/" target="_blank">http://chriscarey.us/software/tivo/</a>After months of searching the usual forums for nitty-gritty details on the MFS structure and usage I have hit a dead end.  It seems that all the real good stuff that was discovered early on in TiVo history is now gone from the forums or deleted for political reasons.  Hopefully here we can put together the bits and pieces again in a real &#8220;Free&#8221; Forum.<br />
<br />
I will start with what I have learned and hopefully others with more knowledge then me will continue this thread and make it great!.<br />
<br />
<b>MFS- The Basics:</b><br />
<br />
Usually found in partition pairs &#8220;A10 and A11&#8221;,  A10 contains the database objects and A11 contains the actual media files.<br />
<br />
Everything in the MFS is referenced by numbers called the FSID (File system ID).<br />
IE, each file or object will be assigned a unique FSID and can be accessed via that number or by it&#8217;s directory entry (if it has one).<br />
<br />
<br />
<b>Accessing MFS:</b><br />
<br />
There are several tools avl. most were posted by Tridge ( A TiVo God) as the Vplay package.<br />
<pre>
mfs_ls 			lists directories. Use -R for recursive listing. Use -l to include sizes.
mfs_dumpobj 		dumps a TiVo object
mfs_export 		exports files (of any type) from the mfs to a unix file
mfs_info 	     	         dumps some basic info on your fs and a fsid
mfs_dump 	     	         dumps some sectors (useful for debugging)
mfs_streams 		to find what video stream files are on your tivo
vplay 			to &quot;play&quot; with that fsid to a file or device
vplayer 			to play files remotely
mfs_stdinsert		inserts files into the MFS (any type)

In addition to the Bash utils above you can access MFS using TIVOSH, at the &#8220;%&#8221; prompt type:

mls			Same as mfs_ls above
AddObject		         Database Command 	         (Usage unknown)
AddToObjectCount	         Database Command 	         (Usage unknown)
Mfs			MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsExists		         MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsFileExists		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsLog			MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsRemoveTree		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsRubbishTree		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsSetVerbose		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
</pre><br />
<br />
To see what is in a MFS object use mfs_ls to find the FSID and then use mfs_dumpobj (fsid).<br />
<br />
Attached is a txt file of the complete MFS directory for a virgin 1.21 SA tivo<br />
<br />
<b>The Questions:</b><br />
<br />
I have been quite successful in querying the MFS for existing data and replacing data already there but adding new objects (and TY files) so far is not to be so the first question I would like to see addressed in this thread is &#8220;How do you add a new MFS object?&#8221;  and &#8220;How is the actual sector in A11 referenced from a object in A10?&#8221; and &#8220;How is the sector reference set?&#8221;<br />
<br />
For example, the object for the TiVo welcome video is at FSID 1882 (in a10) and references the TY file at FSID 1887 (in a11)  which in turn is actually sector 24379392.  Can someone please explain how to read/write these references?<br />
<br />
So if you are in the Know about the inner workings of the MFS or have some old material the used to be posted in the other forums please re-post it here oh-great ones!<br />
<br />
<b>Motto:  In TiVo we hack freely, all others just watch <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> </b><br />
<br />
<u>Happy TiVo Hacking!</u><br />
Jmayes<br />
After months of searching the usual forums for nitty-gritty details on the MFS structure and usage I have hit a dead end.  It seems that all the real good stuff that was discovered early on in TiVo history is now gone from the forums or deleted for political reasons.  Hopefully here we can put together the bits and pieces again in a real &#8220;Free&#8221; Forum.<br />
<br />
I will start with what I have learned and hopefully others with more knowledge then me will continue this thread and make it great!.<br />
<br />
<b>MFS- The Basics:</b><br />
<br />
Usually found in partition pairs &#8220;A10 and A11&#8221;,  A10 contains the database objects and A11 contains the actual media files.<br />
<br />
Everything in the MFS is referenced by numbers called the FSID (File system ID).<br />
IE, each file or object will be assigned a unique FSID and can be accessed via that number or by it&#8217;s directory entry (if it has one).<br />
<br />
<br />
<b>Accessing MFS:</b><br />
<br />
There are several tools avl. most were posted by Tridge ( A TiVo God) as the Vplay package.<br />
<pre>
mfs_ls 			lists directories. Use -R for recursive listing. Use -l to include sizes.
mfs_dumpobj 		dumps a TiVo object
mfs_export 		exports files (of any type) from the mfs to a unix file
mfs_info 	     	         dumps some basic info on your fs and a fsid
mfs_dump 	     	         dumps some sectors (useful for debugging)
mfs_streams 		to find what video stream files are on your tivo
vplay 			to &quot;play&quot; with that fsid to a file or device
vplayer 			to play files remotely
mfs_stdinsert		inserts files into the MFS (any type)

In addition to the Bash utils above you can access MFS using TIVOSH, at the &#8220;%&#8221; prompt type:

mls			Same as mfs_ls above
AddObject		         Database Command 	         (Usage unknown)
AddToObjectCount	         Database Command 	         (Usage unknown)
Mfs			MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsExists		         MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsFileExists		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsLog			MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsRemoveTree		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsRubbishTree		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsSetVerbose		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
</pre><br />
<br />
To see what is in a MFS object use mfs_ls to find the FSID and then use mfs_dumpobj (fsid).<br />
<br />
Attached is a txt file of the complete MFS directory for a virgin 1.21 SA tivo<br />
<br />
<b>The Questions:</b><br />
<br />
I have been quite successful in querying the MFS for existing data and replacing data already there but adding new objects (and TY files) so far is not to be so the first question I would like to see addressed in this thread is &#8220;How do you add a new MFS object?&#8221;  and &#8220;How is the actual sector in A11 referenced from a object in A10?&#8221; and &#8220;How is the sector reference set?&#8221;<br />
<br />
For example, the object for the TiVo welcome video is at FSID 1882 (in a10) and references the TY file at FSID 1887 (in a11)  which in turn is actually sector 24379392.  Can someone please explain how to read/write these references?<br />
<br />
So if you are in the Know about the inner workings of the MFS or have some old material the used to be posted in the other forums please re-post it here oh-great ones!<br />
<br />
<b>Motto:  In TiVo we hack freely, all others just watch <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> </b><br />
<br />
[/u]Happy TiVo Hacking![/u]<br />
Jmayes<br />
After months of searching the usual forums for nitty-gritty details on the MFS structure and usage I have hit a dead end.  It seems that all the real good stuff that was discovered early on in TiVo history is now gone from the forums or deleted for political reasons.  Hopefully here we can put together the bits and pieces again in a real &#8220;Free&#8221; Forum.<br />
<br />
I will start with what I have learned and hopefully others with more knowledge then me will continue this thread and make it great!.<br />
<br />
<b>MFS- The Basics:</b><br />
<br />
Usually found in partition pairs &#8220;A10 and A11&#8221;,  A10 contains the database objects and A11 contains the actual media files.<br />
<br />
Everything in the MFS is referenced by numbers called the FSID (File system ID).<br />
IE, each file or object will be assigned a unique FSID and can be accessed via that number or by it&#8217;s directory entry (if it has one).<br />
<br />
<br />
<b>Accessing MFS:</b><br />
<br />
There are several tools avl. most were posted by Tridge ( A TiVo God) as the Vplay package.<br />
<pre>
mfs_ls 			lists directories. Use -R for recursive listing. Use -l to include sizes.
mfs_dumpobj 		dumps a TiVo object
mfs_export 		exports files (of any type) from the mfs to a unix file
mfs_info 	     	         dumps some basic info on your fs and a fsid
mfs_dump 	     	         dumps some sectors (useful for debugging)
mfs_streams 		to find what video stream files are on your tivo
vplay 			to &quot;play&quot; with that fsid to a file or device
vplayer 			to play files remotely
mfs_stdinsert		inserts files into the MFS (any type)

In addition to the Bash utils above you can access MFS using TIVOSH, at the &#8220;%&#8221; prompt type:

mls			Same as mfs_ls above
AddObject		         Database Command 	         (Usage unknown)
AddToObjectCount	         Database Command 	         (Usage unknown)
Mfs			MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsExists		         MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsFileExists		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsLog			MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsRemoveTree		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsRubbishTree		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
MfsSetVerbose		MFS Command  		(Usage unknown)
</pre><br />
<br />
To see what is in a MFS object use mfs_ls to find the FSID and then use mfs_dumpobj (fsid).<br />
<br />
Attached is a txt file of the complete MFS directory for a virgin 1.21 SA tivo<br />
<br />
<b>The Questions:</b><br />
<br />
I have been quite successful in querying the MFS for existing data and replacing data already there but adding new objects (and TY files) so far is not to be so the first question I would like to see addressed in this thread is &#8220;How do you add a new MFS object?&#8221;  and &#8220;How is the actual sector in A11 referenced from a object in A10?&#8221; and &#8220;How is the sector reference set?&#8221;<br />
<br />
For example, the object for the TiVo welcome video is at FSID 1882 (in a10) and references the TY file at FSID 1887 (in a11)  which in turn is actually sector 24379392.  Can someone please explain how to read/write these references?<br />
<br />
So if you are in the Know about the inner workings of the MFS or have some old material the used to be posted in the other forums please re-post it here oh-great ones!<br />
<br />
<b>Motto:  In TiVo we hack freely, all others just watch <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> </b><br />
<br />
<u>Happy TiVo Hacking!</u><br />
Jmayes<br />
This is good info, I hope others will respond that are in the know.  I can answer one question though,<br />
<br />
I belive the bootpage data will be on partition 1 at the very front of the drive, this is why general unix pdisk utilitys destroy the bootpage data.<br />
<br />
My partitions 2 and 5 are both the same size 2m (on series1).<br />
Just fyi<br />
<br />
Good luck!<br />
Jmayes<br />
<br />
<br />
PS.<br />
<br />
I have also started a thread for MFS infomation, Please all lets get this forum going!  With the political problems on the other forums we need to keep this one strong.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jmayes wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 09:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I have been quite successful in querying the MFS for existing data and replacing data already there but adding new objects (and TY files) so far is not to be so the first question I would like to see addressed in this thread is ?How do you add a new MFS object??  and ?How is the actual sector in A11 referenced from a object in A10?? and ?How is the sector reference set??<br />
<br />
For example, the object for the TiVo welcome video is at FSID 1882 (in a10) and references the TY file at FSID 1887 (in a11)  which in turn is actually sector 24379392.  Can someone please explain how to read/write these references?<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
You're probably going to need to do a lot of work before you can successfully write to MFS.  It might help to dissect fsfix/mfscheck, or at least start corrupting fields and then running the filesystem through the checker to see what it detects.  At the minimum you will need to implement inode creation, space allocation, free space bitmap updates, and index/directory insertion.  When you move on from tystreams/tyfiles to tydb objects you will need to work with even more undocumented data structures.<br />
<br />
It might not hurt to read a few papers on the design of other filesystems, as some of the concepts are the same.  Also, the recently released mfstools source code on sourceforge might provide additional clues, although its write support is obviously tailored for restoration and not for creation of new items.<br />
<br />
I believe all of the sectors from all MFS partitions are concatenated into one &quot;flat&quot; logical space.  Use pdisk, mfs_dump, and a hex editor to verify this, or look in io.c:mfs_read_sectors().I have a few ideas on some things I'd like to try. But before I dive in and break something I thought I'd try to collect and  read as much info as I can about it all.<br />
<br />
I've used the search facility looking for 'partition' and I didn't come up with much, so I apologize if this is covered somewhere else.<br />
<br />
I've been looking for definitive info on what can/cannot be changed in a the partiton table on Tivo drives. I have learned that the prom can only boot the kernel from part 3 or 6, and<br />
the rootfs is normally in the corresponding partitions 4 or 7.<br />
<br />
I'm more curious about things like:<br />
<br />
<b>1. Do any of these partitions have min or max sizes?</b><br />
<br />
EDIT:<i> For the ones I've changed at least, it appears I haven't <br />
hit any limits yet. I've increased partitions 2,5, and 6 to 4MB,<br />
and partitions 8 and 9 to 256MB.</i><br />
<br />
<b>2. Does the Tivo make any assumptions about part 2 and 5 that stop them from being used for anything else?</b><br />
<br />
<i>   From what I've read I think the answer is no, but I'm<br />
   not sure I've seen everything that's been written.</i><br />
<br />
EDIT:<i> No problems so far with the size changes, but I haven't<br />
used 2 and 5 for anything yet. That's the next step. </i><br />
<br />
<b>3. Any particular reason partition 2 is one block, and partition 5 is 2MB?</b><br />
<br />
<b>4. Do the partition sizes have to be multiples of any particular amount?</b><br />
<br />
<b>5. I assume you can't change the size of an MFS App or Media Partition that the Tivo software has already been told about?</b><br />
<br />
<b>6. Is this why MFSrestore -x adds 2 new partitions, and doesn't just grow the 4 that are present?</b><br />
<br />
<b>7. I've noticed that this prevents MFSrestore -p from really keeping the application partitions in the middle of the disks sometimes. How important is the partition layout to performance?</b><br />
<br />
<b>8. Are the Media and App partitions registered with the tivo software by name? or by partition number? In otherwords, will renaming them cause any problems?</b><br />
<br />
<i>   My guess is no, since MFSrestore changes the names.</i><br />
<br />
EDIT:<i> I've since renamed them further with pdisk, and had no new problems.</i> <br />
<br />
<b>9. Where exactly on the disk does bootpage store it's info? It's not in partition 2 is it?</b><br />
<br />
EDIT:<i> I'll look in part. 1 Thanks.</i><br />
<br />
Thanks in advance,<br />
<br />
    -KyleStuck at powering up screens, help plz <br />
<br />
Hi. I have three units that do not get past the power up status when you first plug them in. Two do not get past the first message powering up, the last one stops at the second powering up screen wait a few more moments.<br />
<br />
Any one able to help me out?<br />
<br />
I have three other units that work fine.... All 6 units I did add a new larger hard drive too and added the ftp items, etc.<br />
<br />
APPRECIATE ANY HELP ANYONE CAN OFFER ME!!!<br />
One more note..  When I transfer a hard drive from a machine that works to a machine that did not work, that machine then works.  So there must be an error on the hard drive.<br />
<br />
Hope that helps someone help me out...<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jmayes wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 10:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><br />
For example, the object for the TiVo welcome video is at FSID 1882 (in a10) and references the TY file at FSID 1887 (in a11)  which in turn is actually sector 24379392.  Can someone please explain how to read/write these references?<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
AW, I think it was, wrote a script that allowed you to insert new power-up backgrounds on your TiVo. You should take that apart to see how he is doing it. That'd be a good start.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jmayes wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 10:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>...For example, the object for the TiVo welcome video is at FSID 1882 (in a10) and references the TY file at FSID 1887 (in a11)  which in turn is actually sector 24379392.  Can someone please explain how to read/write these references?<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
AW, I think it was, wrote a script that allowed you to insert new power-up backgrounds on your TiVo. You should take that apart to see how he is doing it. That'd be a good start.This is a development forum, and as such, does not offer general TiVo help. I suggest you ask over at dealdatabase.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>jmayes wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 07:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I have been quite successful in querying the MFS for existing data and replacing data already there but adding new objects (and TY files) so far is not to be so the first question I would like to see addressed in this thread is &#8220;How do you add a new MFS object?&#8221;<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
db &lt;db&gt; create &lt;objecttype&gt;<br />
<br />
eg<br />
<br />
set db [dbopen]<br />
RetryTransaction {<br />
set newrecordingfid [db $db create Recording]<br />
}<br />
I coded these up for this request... Just figured I would post these up here, under the GPL<br />
<br />
Josh<br />
<br />
typlay works justly tridges typlay(and is actually based on that source) but will play a tystream off of any partition that you can mount, be it ext2/3, nfs, or even samba.  It does not rely on MFS at all so you can use it on a tivo stripped to almost nothing if you wanted.<br />
<br />
tyloop works like typlay but takes any number of files on the command line and plays each of them concurrently, and if you specify -l on the command line it will loop through the list forever.<br />
<br />
On DirecTivos the audio will not work as it seems the audio goes through a different piece of hardware than on the stand alones.Use the Delayed MontyAnd here are the binaries...Anyone cracked the lack of remote event callbacks in 4.0.1?<br />
<br />
TCL code doesn't even work anymore.Need to massage this a bit more, but here is a start to intercept /var/log/tivoLog.prv and redirect to a /proc interface <br />
<br />
<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>
#include &lt;linux/config.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/version.h&gt;

#ifdef CONFIG_MODVERSIONS
#include &lt;linux/modversions.h&gt;
#endif

#include &lt;linux/kernel.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/module.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/slab.h&gt;
#include &lt;linux/string.h&gt;
#include &lt;asm/uaccess.h&gt;
#include &lt;asm/unistd.h&gt;

#define FILE &quot;/var/log/tivoLog.prv&quot;

int mpid = -1;
int mfd = -1;

extern void *sys_call_table[];

int (*o_open) (const char *, int, int);
int (*o_write) (int, char *, size_t);
int (*o_close) (int);

int n_open( const char *filename, int flags, int mode )
{
   int fd = o_open( filename, flags, mode );

   if ( strcmp( filename, FILE ) == 0 )
   {
      printk( &quot;Process %d opened file %s with flags %d, fd %d\n&quot;,
         current-&gt;pid, filename, flags, fd );
      mpid = current-&gt;pid;
      mfd = fd;
   }
   return( fd );
}

int
n_write(int fd, char *buf, size_t count)
{
   if ( ( mpid == current-&gt;pid ) &amp;&amp; ( mfd == fd ) )
   {
      printk( &quot;Gotcha %d bytes, fd %d\n&quot;, count, fd );
   }
   return o_write(fd, buf, count);

}

int
n_close( int fd )
{
   if ( ( mpid == current-&gt;pid ) &amp;&amp; ( mfd == fd ) )
      printk( &quot;Turning off trap\n&quot; );
      mpid = -1;
      mfd = -1;
   }
   return( o_close( fd ) );
}


int
init_module(void)
{

   o_open = sys_call_table[__NR_open];
   sys_call_table[__NR_open] = n_open;

   o_write = sys_call_table[__NR_write];
   sys_call_table[__NR_write] = n_write;

   o_close = sys_call_table[__NR_close];
   sys_call_table[__NR_close] = n_close;

   return 0;

}


void
cleanup_module(void)
{
   sys_call_table[__NR_open] = o_open;
   sys_call_table[__NR_write] = o_write;
   sys_call_table[__NR_close] = o_close;
}

</pre></div><br />
<br />
I took a quick look at ircatch.o in IDA, and you can enable debug output by changing a single byte (look for the enable_debug references)...In 4.0, it was the dword immediately following the 'irsuper' string. Be sure to change the value to &gt;= 2 (seems there may be levels of debug msgs).<br />
<br />
This will give you output in the kernel log (realtime, I believe), and the button pressed should correspond to the 'data=' field (from a quick glance).<br />
<br />
Have fun,<br />
jeboo <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">Thanks Jeboo.<br />
<br />
Arg, looks like the kernel module is a red herring, glibc does the buffering, not the kernel.  Would need to force a flush on the fd to get this to work.does a definitive monte faq for the hdvr2 appropriate for a newbie (like the cobelli faq) exist?<br />
<br />
i have 3.1.1c loaded on my Tivo with twin 120 G hardrives, used Hinsdale's mfsbackup/resotre/add commands but I'm not running U5 and i don't have bash prompt.<br />
<br />
i'm having difficulty knowing how to get started.<br />
<br />
thanks,<br />
scotthere's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915&amp;perpage=1" target="_blank">mfs_ftp setup, usage &amp; support thread on dealdatabase</a> (including idiot-proofed installer)  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz">here's a little tivo side ftp server for moving recordings from tivo -&gt; pc &amp; pc -&gt; tivo with a regular browser or ftp client. direct tivo &lt;-&gt; tivo tranfers are possible via FXP enabled clients and transfers can be automated using scripts that invoke cmd line ftp<br />
<br />
recordings can be moved / streamed between different tivo types &amp; software versions or even between a tivo and a standard ftp server<br />
<br />
<a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915&amp;perpage=1" target="_blank">mfs_ftp setup, usage &amp; support thread on dealdatabase</a> (including idiot-proofed installer)  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif" border=0 alt="Razz"><br />
<br />
<br />
see the dealdatabase thread for the latest versions<a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21915" target="_blank">mfs_ftp general discussion &amp; s1 usage</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=23424" target="_blank">MFS-FTP on Series 2 Units</a>What about the possibility of intercepting the serial port that the IR device uses, either in the kernel itself or in a module? Perhaps a hook could be devised to &quot;inject&quot; data into it, thus emulating SendKey in a standalone program. <br />
<br />
Is this even feasible?<br />
<br />
BradCan anyone point me to examples of reading the remote key-press activity and &quot;reacting&quot; to it.  I would like to put up an event handler that would watch for a certain pattern and then kick of a script, if the pattern matched.  I have seen comments here and there on the various tivo boards about doing this, but I have not seen any examples of code that I could learn from and tweak.  Any pointers would be greatlyt appreciated!<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
AnneCan anyone point me to examples of reading the remote key-press activity and &quot;reacting&quot; to it.  I would like to put up an event handler that would watch for a certain key-press pattern and then kick-off a script, assuming the pattern matched.  I have seen comments here and there on the various tivo boards about doing this, but I have not seen any examples of code that I could learn from and tweak.  Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!  I am actually surprised I have not found a generic package that allows anyone to simply add a key-press pattern to a lookup-table and then execute a command.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
AnneCan anyone point me to examples of reading the remote key-press activity and &quot;reacting&quot; to it.  I would like to put up an event handler that would watch for a certain key-press pattern and then kick-off a script, assuming the pattern matched.  I have seen comments here and there on the various tivo boards about doing this, but I have not seen any examples of code that I could learn from and tweak.  Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!  I am actually surprised I have not found a generic package that allows anyone to simply add a key-press pattern to a lookup-table and then execute a command.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
Anne<br />
<br />
PS.. I am assuming this is on a 3.x system..Check out TiVo Control Center, which does exactly that.Check out TiVo Control Center.I have a dsr6000 in NZ, I am looking at the possibility of getting it going here... Sky here use NDS Videogaurd like DirecTv..<br />
<br />
I know that it may not work, or not work at all.. but I'm willing to give it a shot.<br />
<br />
I was wondering if someone could help me with finding the satellite  settings/frequency, LNB freq/settings in the MFS.  And where are the existing satellite definitions? Also what values can be applied.  So I can modify the settings for one of them..<br />
<br />
I have 2.5.2 loaded, and I can see browsing the MFS via tivoweb, Object Types, and Object Attributes.. <br />
i.e.<br />
<br />
ObjectType<br />
 <br />
ApgFrequency  tyDb 11  09/07/00 09:23 292<br />
<br />
ObjectType 11/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = ApgFrequency<br />
  Index          = 78<br />
  Attribute      = 11/12 11/13<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771516<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/ApgFrequency /Server/1771516<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 11/12 {<br />
  Name           = Parameters<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 11/13 {<br />
  Name           = Lnb<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
<br />
ApgNetwork tyDb 12 09/07/00 09:23 320<br />
<br />
bjectType 12/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = ApgNetwork<br />
  Index          = 79<br />
  Attribute      = 12/12 12/13<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771517<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/ApgNetwork /Server/1771517<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 12/12 {<br />
  Name           = NetworkId<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 12/13 {<br />
  Name           = Satellite<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 2<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = ApgSatellite<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ApgSatellite tyDb 15 09/07/00 09:23 432<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 15/12 {<br />
  Name           = OrbitalPosition<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 15/13 {<br />
  Name           = Direction<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = ApgSatelliteDirection<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 15/14 {<br />
  Name           = Frequency<br />
  Index          = 18<br />
  Type           = 2<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = ApgFrequency<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
 <br />
SatConfig tyDb 71 09/07/00 09:23 460<br />
 <br />
ObjectType 71/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = SatConfig<br />
  Index          = 94<br />
  Attribute      = 71/12 71/13 71/14<br />
  Subobject      = 0<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771532<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/SatConfig /Server/1771532<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 71/12 {<br />
  Name           = ConnectionType<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = SatConnectionType<br />
  DefaultInt     = 2<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 71/13 {<br />
  Name           = NetworkPortInfo<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 2<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = SatNetworkPortInfo<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 71/14 {<br />
  Name           = DishType<br />
  Index          = 18<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 1<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = SatDishType<br />
  DefaultInt     = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
SatNetworkPortInfo tyDb 72 09/07/00 09:23 624<br />
 <br />
ObjectType 72/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = SatNetworkPortInfo<br />
  Index          = 95<br />
  Attribute      = 72/12 72/13 72/14 72/15 72/16 72/17<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771533<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/SatNetworkPortInfo /Server/1771533<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/12 {<br />
  Name           = NetworkId<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/13 {<br />
  Name           = PolarizationA<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/14 {<br />
  Name           = PolarizationB<br />
  Index          = 18<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/15 {<br />
  Name           = IsStacked<br />
  Index          = 19<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 1<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = bool<br />
  DefaultInt     = 0<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/16 {<br />
  Name           = PortNumberA<br />
  Index          = 20<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/17 {<br />
  Name           = PortNumberB<br />
  Index          = 21<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
<br />
<br />
But I cannot find where the existing satellite definitions are or where the settings are, or even what values can be set.  I was hoping someone may know..<br />
<br />
thanks,<br />
<br />
cheers<br />
Jaidev<br />
<br />
I have a dsr6000 in NZ, I am looking at the possibility of getting it going here... Sky here use NDS Videogaurd like DirecTv..<br />
<br />
I know that it may not work, or not work at all.. but I'm willing to give it a shot.<br />
<br />
I was wondering if someone could help me with finding the satellite  settings/frequency, LNB freq/settings in the MFS.  And where are the existing satellite definitions? Also what values can be applied.  So I can modify the settings for one of them..<br />
<br />
I have 2.5.2 loaded, and I can see browsing the MFS via tivoweb, Object Types, and Object Attributes.. <br />
i.e.<br />
<br />
ObjectType<br />
 <br />
ApgFrequency  tyDb 11  09/07/00 09:23 292<br />
<br />
ObjectType 11/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = ApgFrequency<br />
  Index          = 78<br />
  Attribute      = 11/12 11/13<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771516<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/ApgFrequency /Server/1771516<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 11/12 {<br />
  Name           = Parameters<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 11/13 {<br />
  Name           = Lnb<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
<br />
ApgNetwork tyDb 12 09/07/00 09:23 320<br />
<br />
bjectType 12/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = ApgNetwork<br />
  Index          = 79<br />
  Attribute      = 12/12 12/13<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771517<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/ApgNetwork /Server/1771517<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 12/12 {<br />
  Name           = NetworkId<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 12/13 {<br />
  Name           = Satellite<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 2<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = ApgSatellite<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ApgSatellite tyDb 15 09/07/00 09:23 432<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 15/12 {<br />
  Name           = OrbitalPosition<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 15/13 {<br />
  Name           = Direction<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = ApgSatelliteDirection<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 15/14 {<br />
  Name           = Frequency<br />
  Index          = 18<br />
  Type           = 2<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = ApgFrequency<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
 <br />
SatConfig tyDb 71 09/07/00 09:23 460<br />
 <br />
ObjectType 71/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = SatConfig<br />
  Index          = 94<br />
  Attribute      = 71/12 71/13 71/14<br />
  Subobject      = 0<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771532<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/SatConfig /Server/1771532<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 71/12 {<br />
  Name           = ConnectionType<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = SatConnectionType<br />
  DefaultInt     = 2<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 71/13 {<br />
  Name           = NetworkPortInfo<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 2<br />
  Arity          = 3<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = SatNetworkPortInfo<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 71/14 {<br />
  Name           = DishType<br />
  Index          = 18<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 1<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = SatDishType<br />
  DefaultInt     = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
SatNetworkPortInfo tyDb 72 09/07/00 09:23 624<br />
 <br />
ObjectType 72/11 {<br />
  ServerVersion  = 140<br />
  Name           = SatNetworkPortInfo<br />
  Index          = 95<br />
  Attribute      = 72/12 72/13 72/14 72/15 72/16 72/17<br />
  Subobject      = 1<br />
  Derived        = 0<br />
  Obsolete       = 0<br />
  ServerId       = 1771533<br />
  Version        = 1<br />
  IndexPath      = /ObjectType/SatNetworkPortInfo /Server/1771533<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/12 {<br />
  Name           = NetworkId<br />
  Index          = 16<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/13 {<br />
  Name           = PolarizationA<br />
  Index          = 17<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/14 {<br />
  Name           = PolarizationB<br />
  Index          = 18<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/15 {<br />
  Name           = IsStacked<br />
  Index          = 19<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 1<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
  Subtype        = bool<br />
  DefaultInt     = 0<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/16 {<br />
  Name           = PortNumberA<br />
  Index          = 20<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
 <br />
ObjectAttribute 72/17 {<br />
  Name           = PortNumberB<br />
  Index          = 21<br />
  Type           = 0<br />
  Arity          = 2<br />
  Level          = 1<br />
}<br />
<br />
<br />
But I cannot find where the existing satellite definitions are or where the settings are, or even what values can be set.  I was hoping someone may know..<br />
<br />
thanks,<br />
<br />
cheers<br />
Jaidev<br />
<br />
I was asked for this source code some time back - but have been tied up with work (travel). I finally got a little time so I just tar'ed up what I have. <br />
<br />
This is the source code for a very simple device driver that intercepts calls to the Tivo IDE disk driver (sector reads) and passes the request to a user side application (code not currently included). [This is the mips version. - The ppc version would be slightly different.]<br />
<br />
This is a very powerful mechanism that can be used to dynamically stream to the Tivo and dynamically replace data for sound, images, etc. <br />
<br />
I worked on this code and app several months ago trying to dynically stream Ty streams from one Tivo to another. I didn't quite get everything working then - and that's when my day job got busy. So, hopefully now I'll be able find some time to work on the app and clean up the driver. <br />
<br />
Note: this code is being provided as-is (mainly as a proof-of-concept) and can easily crash (if not worse) your system.<br />
<br />
Let me know if there are any questions or suggestions.<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
<br />
I was asked for this source code some time back - but have been tied up with work (travel). I finally got a little time so I just tar'ed up what I have. <br />
<br />
This is the source code for a very simple device driver that intercepts calls to the Tivo IDE disk driver (sector reads) and passes the request to a user side application (code not currently included). [This is the mips Linux 2.4 version. - The ppc Linux 2.1 version would be slightly different.]<br />
<br />
This is a very powerful mechanism that can be used to dynamically stream to the Tivo and dynamically replace data for sound, images, etc. <br />
<br />
I worked on this code and app several months ago trying to dynamically stream Ty streams from one Tivo to another. I didn't quite get everything working then - and that's when my day job got busy. So, hopefully now I'll be able find some time to work on the app and clean up the driver. <br />
<br />
Note: this code is being provided as-is (mainly as a proof-of-concept) and can easily crash (if not worse) your system.<br />
<br />
Let me know if there are any questions or suggestions.<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
<br />
I am trying to cross compile code for the S1 UK Tivo using the cross compiler from tivoutils.sf.net. However, on execution I keep getting Illegal Instruction errors. I have (for example) tried compiling tar. (Latest version as of a few weeks ago)<br />
<br />
I used ./configure --host=powerpc --build=x86_64 CC=/usr/local/tivo/bin/gcc CFLAGS=&quot;-mstrict-align -msoft-float&quot;<br />
<br />
Among many other flags, trying to get things to work so far without success. I am compiling on Fedora2 on a AMD64. I don't have a version of gdb or anything on the TiVo (as I would need my cross compiler working for that!) so I can't find the instruction which is killing things off. Also I don't know ppc machine code (only 386) so I would probably be none the wiser anyway. I downloaded a cross compiler from dtype too:<br />
<br />
tivodev-2.5_linux-x86_dtype1.tar and tivodev-2.5_linux-x86_dtype2.tar.<br />
<br />
I don't recall the exact link. I guess the dtype2.tar refers to the series 2 tivo? But the readme in that mentions &quot;Illegal Instruction&quot;. Does the 2 indeed refer to the tivo series? Or is it to do with the cross compiler version number?<br />
<br />
Apologies for being a bit vauge in places. If you need any more information then please ask.<br />
<br />
Hope you can help.<br />
<br />
Jon WilsonNow got it to compile, but when I run it, I get &quot;File Not Found&quot; errors? I am using the dtype2 compiler linked against the libtivohack. Specifically I am trying minigzip which comes with zlib (latest version). I used the same build options as the README, but used -static as a compile flag for the final link of minigzip so I don't need to copy all the libs over.<br />
<br />
Any ideas?<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
<br />
Jon Wilson<br />
<br />
P.S. I am running it with ./minigzip (even tried with an absolute path). I get....<br />
<br />
bash: ./minigzip: No such file or directory. But I can &quot;cat&quot; the file Ok, so it must be there, and I did &quot;chmod 755&quot; it.Background<br />
<br />
I am working on getting v3.0 software running on my UK Tivo in Australia.<br />
<br />
The main issue is that the 3.0 tivoapp does not include the SCART bypass functionality. To get around this, I wrote the following tcl code (based on Graham Cobbs slideshow code) to catch remote keypresses and call the relevant scartmux ioctl.<br />
<br />
#!/tvbin/tivosh<br />
<br />
source $tcl_library/tv/sendkey.tcl<br />
# Add Thompson (UK Tivo) keys:<br />
set evrc(T_aux) 37<br />
set evrc(T_vcr) 38<br />
<br />
# ioctl codes<br />
set scart_ioctl(aux)  0x01<br />
set scart_ioctl(vcr)  0x02<br />
set scart_ioctl(tivo) 0x03<br />
<br />
set scart_dev [open &quot;/dev/scartmux&quot; RDWR]<br />
set scart_bypass 0<br />
<br />
proc key_callback {type subtype} {<br />
	global EventData evrc scart_dev scart_ioctl scart_bypass<br />
	binary scan $EventData IIIII keycode modifiers id timelow timehigh<br />
	#puts &quot;Key: $keycode subtype=$subtype code=$keycode mod=$modifiers id=$id timelow=$timelow timehigh=$timehigh&quot;<br />
	if { $subtype == 0 } {<br />
		switch $keycode \<br />
			$evrc(T_aux) {<br />
				if { $scart_bypass == 0 } {<br />
  				ioctl $scart_dev $scart_ioctl(aux)<br />
					set scart_bypass 1<br />
				} else {<br />
  				ioctl $scart_dev $scart_ioctl(tivo)<br />
					set scart_bypass 0<br />
				}<br />
			} \<br />
			$evrc(T_vcr) {<br />
				if { $scart_bypass == 0 } {<br />
  				ioctl $scart_dev $scart_ioctl(vcr)<br />
					set scart_bypass 1<br />
				} else {<br />
  				ioctl $scart_dev $scart_ioctl(tivo)<br />
					set scart_bypass 0<br />
				}<br />
			} \<br />
			default {<br />
  			ioctl $scart_dev $scart_ioctl(tivo)<br />
				set scart_bypass 0<br />
			} \<br />
	}<br />
}<br />
<br />
event register $TmkEvent::EVT_REMOTEEVENT key_callback<br />
<br />
vwait wakeup<br />
<br />
Now finally to my question. For completness, I would like to make the led on the front panel of the Tivo to go orange when in bypass mode and green when in normal mode. My understanding is that the leds are controlled via ttyS0, but I have no idea how to do it in tcl. Can someone please help me out.<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
<br />
-RobertI have slight progress!!! I have managed to build libsoap for the tivo and the client even seems to work!!! However, the server sadly does not  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_sad.gif" border=0 alt="Sad"> The previous error was evidently caused by the static linking, although I have no idea why! I built a shared library build, and copied all the libs over and added them to LD_LIBRARY_PATH and both the client and server seem to run. However, upon running the server, nothing happens. A bit of text comes up saying it is running but then nothing! It still responds to Ctl-C, but doesn't respond to the client when run. A similar thing happened when I built python and tried to run that, it hung on a blank screen.<br />
<br />
Does anyone have any idea why this is? The soap stuff uses pthread? Does that break things? I have copied the libraries from the crosscompiler, so it is probably using those rather than the ones which came on the tivo, would that make any difference?<br />
<br />
Many Thanks in advance if you can help me<br />
<br />
JonI worked it out<br />
<br />
set tty [open &quot;/dev/ttyS0&quot;, WRONLY]<br />
puts $tty \x50<br />
flush $tty<br />
close $tty<br />
<br />
where \x50 - \x53 turn the LEDs on<br />
and \x60 - \x63 turn them off<br />
(from ebeem in another thread)<br />
<br />
It seems the SerialPortArbitrator is not required in this case<br />
<br />
-RobertMuscleNerd got me going down this path with his post here: <a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#post174502" target="_blank"> http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#po st174502</a><br />
<br />
As he said, the format is very regular, and self describing.  It is amusing, in fact, how self describing it is.  If you look at 0x10002.tvbin, what you will find is that it actually defines it's own structure.<br />
<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>0000000: 12340003 00010002 0086da1f 0000007d  .4.............}
0000010: 00010002 0000000c 54764275 73537472  ........TvBusStr
0000020: 75637400 0086da1f 00000004 0000000f  uct.............
0000030: 00000003 69640000 00000100 00000400  ....id..........
0000040: 00001100 0000056e 616d6500 00000001  .......name.....
0000050: 00000007 00000015 00000009 63686563  ............chec
0000060: 6b73756d 00000000 01000000 04000000  ksum............
0000070: 1c000000 08764d65 6d626572 00000000  .....vMember....
0000080: 03000000 08000000 0a000100 01        .............</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
The first 3 ints of the idl files are the magic, formatID, checksum.  magic is always 12340003, formatID is one of 3 values in all current idl's.  10002 (for structures), 10005 (for enums), and 10009 (for transitions/state machines).  checksum is some checksum for the header.  Not positive yet what it is based on, or how it's calculated.  What comes next depends on which formatID was specified.  But, if you know how to decode 10002's, then you know how to decode everything (since you can then decode the format of 10005's and 10009's.).<br />
<br />
So let's look at 10002's.<br />
<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>struct TvBusStruct { // id=10002
  UNSIGNED_LONG id;
  STRING name;
  UNSIGNED_LONG checksum;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusStructMember&gt; vMember; // id=10001
};

struct TvBusStructMember { // id=10001
  STRING name;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusTypeDescriptor&gt; vType; // id=10005
};

enum TvBusTypeDescriptor { // id=10005 flags=0
    SHORT=0x1,
    UNSIGNED_SHORT=0x2,
    LONG=0x3,
    UNSIGNED_LONG=0x4,
    LONG_LONG=0x5,
    UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG=0x6,
    STRING=0x7,
    SEQUENCE=0x8,
    OPTIONAL=0x9,
    STRUCT=0xa,
    ENUM=0xb,
    OCTET=0xc,
    BOOLEAN=0xd
};</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
Any time a STRUCT is to be read, there will be a size value that specifies how big it is.  That would be int#4 (0000007d).  Now, we start reading the structure in.  STRING's are stored as an integer (length) followed by length bytes of the null terminated string.  SEQUENCE objects are vectors or arrays, however you want to think of them.  They are stored as an integer (count) followed by each of the elements.  OPTIONAL objects are stored as a BOOLEAN flag, followed by the element it contains (if flag == true).  ENUM's are stored as the integer representation of the ENUM.  OCTET's and BOOLEAN's are just char's.<br />
<br />
So, for the 10002 example, we see the following properties:<br />
id = 0x00010002<br />
name = TvBusStruct<br />
checksum = 0x0086da1f<br />
vMember[0].name = vMember<br />
vMember[0].vType = [SEQUENCE, STRUCT, 0x00010001]<br />
<br />
The vType field deserves some a special note.  vType is a vector of types.  The last one is the actual type of the element(s) that the member will contain.  In the 10002 example, we see that we have a SEQUENCE of 100001's.  [OPTIONAL, LONG] would mean we have an optional long.  [OPTIONAL, SEQUENCE, ENUM, 0x00010001] means we have an optional sequence of 10001's.<br />
<br />
Ok, so those were boring.  Here are some fun ones:<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>struct TvDbProgramInfo { // id=10224
  STRING title;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; episodeTitle;
  BOOLEAN fUniqueEpisode;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; description;
  SEQUENCE&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; vGenre;
  SEQUENCE&lt;STRING&gt; vActor;
  OPTIONAL&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; movieYear;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbMpaa&gt; mpaaRating; // id=2f27
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; originalAirDate;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbStar&gt; starRating; // id=2f4a
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvDbAdvisory&gt; vAdvisory; // id=2ee2
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbProgramGuideSource&gt; enumGuideSource; // id=2f31
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvRemoteSource { // id=12000 flags=1
    REMOTE=0x1,
    PANEL=0x2,
    KEYBOARD=0x3,
    SERIAL=0x4
};

enum TvRemoteKey { // id=12001 flags=1
    NONE=0xffffffff,
    UP=0x0,
    DOWN=0x1,
&lt;...snip...&gt;
    PRINT_SCREEN=0xb0,
    LASTKEY=0xb1
};

struct TvRemoteEvent { // id=12004
  TvRemoteSource source; // id=12000
  BOOLEAN fKeyPress;
  LONG nRepeat;
  TvRemoteKey keyCode; // id=12001
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvRemoteKey&gt; vKeyDown; // id=12001
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG timeStamp;
  LONG remoteId;
  BOOLEAN fRequestAck;
};

struct TvRemoteSendKey { // id=12007
  TvRemoteEvent key; // id=12004
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvDbWhatsOnNow 0x10218
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvDbWhatsOnNowSpec(10219) -&gt; Properties
  Properties -&gt;
       SEND TvBusQueryPropertiesEvent(11008) -&gt; Running
  Running -&gt;
       SEND TvDbWhatsOnNowItem(1021a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryDoneEvent(11009) -&gt; Running
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryStaleEvent(1100b) -&gt; Stale
  Stale -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Stale BITS IGNORE</pre></div></font><br />
Remote scheduling?<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast { // id=1061d flags=0
    UNTIL_SPACE_NEEDED=0x0,
    UNTIL_USER_DELETES=0x1,
    SPECIFIED_SECONDS=0x2
};

struct TvPvrRecordingQueueCreateMsg { // id=1061f
  STRING idKnownHost;
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG idRemoteRecording;
  BOOLEAN fStartFromBookmark;
  TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast keepAtLeast; // id=1061d
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; nSpecifiedSeconds;
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvPvrRecordByTmsId 0x10740
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvPvrTmsProgram(10741) -&gt; Done
  Done -&gt;

struct TvPvrTmsProgram { // id=10741
  STRING TmsId;
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
Well, you get the picture.  There's some fun stuff out there.  Thanks again to MuscleNerd for pointing it out!MuscleNerd got me going down this path with his post here: <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#post174502" target="_blank">  http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#po st174502</a><br />
<br />
As he said, the format is very regular, and self describing.  It is amusing, in fact, how self describing it is.  If you look at 0x10002.tvbin, what you will find is that it actually defines it's own structure.<br />
<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>0000000: 12340003 00010002 0086da1f 0000007d  .4.............}
0000010: 00010002 0000000c 54764275 73537472  ........TvBusStr
0000020: 75637400 0086da1f 00000004 0000000f  uct.............
0000030: 00000003 69640000 00000100 00000400  ....id..........
0000040: 00001100 0000056e 616d6500 00000001  .......name.....
0000050: 00000007 00000015 00000009 63686563  ............chec
0000060: 6b73756d 00000000 01000000 04000000  ksum............
0000070: 1c000000 08764d65 6d626572 00000000  .....vMember....
0000080: 03000000 08000000 0a000100 01        .............</pre></div>[/face]<br />
<br />
The first 3 ints of the idl files are the magic, formatID, checksum.  magic is always 12340003, formatID is one of 3 values in all current idl's.  10002 (for structures), 10005 (for enums), and 10009 (for transitions/state machines).  checksum is some checksum for the header.  Not positive yet what it is based on, or how it's calculated.  What comes next depends on which formatID was specified.  But, if you know how to decode 10002's, then you know how to decode everything (since you can then decode the format of 10005's and 10009's.).<br />
<br />
So let's look at 10002's.<br />
<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>struct TvBusStruct { // id=10002
  UNSIGNED_LONG id;
  STRING name;
  UNSIGNED_LONG checksum;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusStructMember&gt; vMember; // id=10001
};

struct TvBusStructMember { // id=10001
  STRING name;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusTypeDescriptor&gt; vType; // id=10005
};

enum TvBusTypeDescriptor { // id=10005 flags=0
    SHORT=0x1,
    UNSIGNED_SHORT=0x2,
    LONG=0x3,
    UNSIGNED_LONG=0x4,
    LONG_LONG=0x5,
    UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG=0x6,
    STRING=0x7,
    SEQUENCE=0x8,
    OPTIONAL=0x9,
    STRUCT=0xa,
    ENUM=0xb,
    OCTET=0xc,
    BOOLEAN=0xd
};</pre></div>[/face]<br />
<br />
Any time a STRUCT is to be read, there will be a size value that specifies how big it is.  That would be int#4 (0000007d).  Now, we start reading the structure in.  STRING's are stored as an integer (length) followed by length bytes of the null terminated string.  SEQUENCE objects are vectors or arrays, however you want to think of them.  They are stored as an integer (count) followed by each of the elements.  OPTIONAL objects are stored as a BOOLEAN flag, followed by the element it contains (if flag == true).  ENUM's are stored as the integer representation of the ENUM.  OCTET's and BOOLEAN's are just char's.<br />
<br />
So, for the 10002 example, we see the following properties:<br />
id = 0x00010002<br />
name = TvBusStruct<br />
checksum = 0x0086da1f<br />
vMember[0].name = id<br />
vMember[0].vType = [UNSIGNED_LONG]<br />
vMember[1].name = name<br />
vMember[1].vType = [STRING]<br />
vMember[2].name = checksum<br />
vMember[2].vType = [UNSIGNED_LONG]<br />
vMember[3].name = vMember<br />
vMember[3].vType = [SEQUENCE, STRUCT, 0x00010001]<br />
<br />
The vType field deserves some a special note.  vType is a vector of types.  The last one is the actual type of the element(s) that the member will contain.  In the 10002 example, we see that we have a SEQUENCE of 100001's.  [OPTIONAL, LONG] would mean we have an optional long.  [OPTIONAL, SEQUENCE, ENUM, 0x00010001] means we have an optional sequence of 10001's.<br />
<br />
Ok, so those were boring.  Here are some fun ones:<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>struct TvDbProgramInfo { // id=10224
  STRING title;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; episodeTitle;
  BOOLEAN fUniqueEpisode;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; description;
  SEQUENCE&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; vGenre;
  SEQUENCE&lt;STRING&gt; vActor;
  OPTIONAL&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; movieYear;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbMpaa&gt; mpaaRating; // id=2f27
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; originalAirDate;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbStar&gt; starRating; // id=2f4a
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvDbAdvisory&gt; vAdvisory; // id=2ee2
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbProgramGuideSource&gt; enumGuideSource; // id=2f31
};
</pre></div>[/face]<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvRemoteSource { // id=12000 flags=1
    REMOTE=0x1,
    PANEL=0x2,
    KEYBOARD=0x3,
    SERIAL=0x4
};

enum TvRemoteKey { // id=12001 flags=1
    NONE=0xffffffff,
    UP=0x0,
    DOWN=0x1,
&lt;...snip...&gt;
    PRINT_SCREEN=0xb0,
    LASTKEY=0xb1
};

struct TvRemoteEvent { // id=12004
  TvRemoteSource source; // id=12000
  BOOLEAN fKeyPress;
  LONG nRepeat;
  TvRemoteKey keyCode; // id=12001
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvRemoteKey&gt; vKeyDown; // id=12001
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG timeStamp;
  LONG remoteId;
  BOOLEAN fRequestAck;
};

struct TvRemoteSendKey { // id=12007
  TvRemoteEvent key; // id=12004
};
</pre></div>[/face]<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvDbWhatsOnNow 0x10218
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvDbWhatsOnNowSpec(10219) -&gt; Properties
  Properties -&gt;
       SEND TvBusQueryPropertiesEvent(11008) -&gt; Running
  Running -&gt;
       SEND TvDbWhatsOnNowItem(1021a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryDoneEvent(11009) -&gt; Running
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryStaleEvent(1100b) -&gt; Stale
  Stale -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Stale BITS IGNORE</pre></div>[/face]<br />
Remote scheduling?<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast { // id=1061d flags=0
    UNTIL_SPACE_NEEDED=0x0,
    UNTIL_USER_DELETES=0x1,
    SPECIFIED_SECONDS=0x2
};

struct TvPvrRecordingQueueCreateMsg { // id=1061f
  STRING idKnownHost;
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG idRemoteRecording;
  BOOLEAN fStartFromBookmark;
  TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast keepAtLeast; // id=1061d
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; nSpecifiedSeconds;
};
</pre></div>[/face]<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvPvrRecordByTmsId 0x10740
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvPvrTmsProgram(10741) -&gt; Done
  Done -&gt;

struct TvPvrTmsProgram { // id=10741
  STRING TmsId;
};
</pre></div>[/face]<br />
<br />
Well, you get the picture.  There's some fun stuff out there.  Thanks again to MuscleNerd for pointing it out!MuscleNerd got me going down this path with his post here: <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#post174502" target="_blank">   http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#po st174502</a><br />
<br />
As he said, the format is very regular, and self describing.  It is amusing, in fact, how self describing it is.  If you look at 0x10002.tvbin, what you will find is that it actually defines it's own structure.<br />
<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>0000000: 12340003 00010002 0086da1f 0000007d  .4.............}
0000010: 00010002 0000000c 54764275 73537472  ........TvBusStr
0000020: 75637400 0086da1f 00000004 0000000f  uct.............
0000030: 00000003 69640000 00000100 00000400  ....id..........
0000040: 00001100 0000056e 616d6500 00000001  .......name.....
0000050: 00000007 00000015 00000009 63686563  ............chec
0000060: 6b73756d 00000000 01000000 04000000  ksum............
0000070: 1c000000 08764d65 6d626572 00000000  .....vMember....
0000080: 03000000 08000000 0a000100 01        .............</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
The first 3 ints of the idl files are the magic, formatID, checksum.  magic is always 12340003, formatID is one of 3 values in all current idl's.  10002 (for structures), 10005 (for enums), and 10009 (for transitions/state machines).  checksum is some checksum for the header.  Not positive yet what it is based on, or how it's calculated.  What comes next depends on which formatID was specified.  But, if you know how to decode 10002's, then you know how to decode everything (since you can then decode the format of 10005's and 10009's.).<br />
<br />
So let's look at 10002's.<br />
<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>struct TvBusStruct { // id=10002
  UNSIGNED_LONG id;
  STRING name;
  UNSIGNED_LONG checksum;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusStructMember&gt; vMember; // id=10001
};

struct TvBusStructMember { // id=10001
  STRING name;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusTypeDescriptor&gt; vType; // id=10005
};

enum TvBusTypeDescriptor { // id=10005 flags=0
    SHORT=0x1,
    UNSIGNED_SHORT=0x2,
    LONG=0x3,
    UNSIGNED_LONG=0x4,
    LONG_LONG=0x5,
    UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG=0x6,
    STRING=0x7,
    SEQUENCE=0x8,
    OPTIONAL=0x9,
    STRUCT=0xa,
    ENUM=0xb,
    OCTET=0xc,
    BOOLEAN=0xd
};</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
Any time a STRUCT is to be read, there will be a size value that specifies how big it is.  That would be int#4 (0000007d).  Now, we start reading the structure in.  STRING's are stored as an integer (length) followed by length bytes of the null terminated string.  SEQUENCE objects are vectors or arrays, however you want to think of them.  They are stored as an integer (count) followed by each of the elements.  OPTIONAL objects are stored as a BOOLEAN flag, followed by the element it contains (if flag == true).  ENUM's are stored as the integer representation of the ENUM.  OCTET's and BOOLEAN's are just char's.<br />
<br />
So, for the 10002 example, we see the following properties:<br />
id = 0x00010002<br />
name = TvBusStruct<br />
checksum = 0x0086da1f<br />
vMember[0].name = id<br />
vMember[0].vType = [UNSIGNED_LONG]<br />
vMember[1].name = name<br />
vMember[1].vType = [STRING]<br />
vMember[2].name = checksum<br />
vMember[2].vType = [UNSIGNED_LONG]<br />
vMember[3].name = vMember<br />
vMember[3].vType = [SEQUENCE, STRUCT, 0x00010001]<br />
<br />
The vType field deserves some a special note.  vType is a vector of types.  The last one is the actual type of the element(s) that the member will contain.  In the 10002 example, we see that we have a SEQUENCE of 100001's.  [OPTIONAL, LONG] would mean we have an optional long.  [OPTIONAL, SEQUENCE, ENUM, 0x00010001] means we have an optional sequence of 10001's.<br />
<br />
Ok, so those were boring.  Here are some fun ones:<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>struct TvDbProgramInfo { // id=10224
  STRING title;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; episodeTitle;
  BOOLEAN fUniqueEpisode;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; description;
  SEQUENCE&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; vGenre;
  SEQUENCE&lt;STRING&gt; vActor;
  OPTIONAL&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; movieYear;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbMpaa&gt; mpaaRating; // id=2f27
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; originalAirDate;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbStar&gt; starRating; // id=2f4a
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvDbAdvisory&gt; vAdvisory; // id=2ee2
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbProgramGuideSource&gt; enumGuideSource; // id=2f31
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvRemoteSource { // id=12000 flags=1
    REMOTE=0x1,
    PANEL=0x2,
    KEYBOARD=0x3,
    SERIAL=0x4
};

enum TvRemoteKey { // id=12001 flags=1
    NONE=0xffffffff,
    UP=0x0,
    DOWN=0x1,
&lt;...snip...&gt;
    PRINT_SCREEN=0xb0,
    LASTKEY=0xb1
};

struct TvRemoteEvent { // id=12004
  TvRemoteSource source; // id=12000
  BOOLEAN fKeyPress;
  LONG nRepeat;
  TvRemoteKey keyCode; // id=12001
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvRemoteKey&gt; vKeyDown; // id=12001
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG timeStamp;
  LONG remoteId;
  BOOLEAN fRequestAck;
};

struct TvRemoteSendKey { // id=12007
  TvRemoteEvent key; // id=12004
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvDbWhatsOnNow 0x10218
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvDbWhatsOnNowSpec(10219) -&gt; Properties
  Properties -&gt;
       SEND TvBusQueryPropertiesEvent(11008) -&gt; Running
  Running -&gt;
       SEND TvDbWhatsOnNowItem(1021a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryDoneEvent(11009) -&gt; Running
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryStaleEvent(1100b) -&gt; Stale
  Stale -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Stale BITS IGNORE</pre></div></font><br />
Remote scheduling?<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast { // id=1061d flags=0
    UNTIL_SPACE_NEEDED=0x0,
    UNTIL_USER_DELETES=0x1,
    SPECIFIED_SECONDS=0x2
};

struct TvPvrRecordingQueueCreateMsg { // id=1061f
  STRING idKnownHost;
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG idRemoteRecording;
  BOOLEAN fStartFromBookmark;
  TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast keepAtLeast; // id=1061d
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; nSpecifiedSeconds;
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvPvrRecordByTmsId 0x10740
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvPvrTmsProgram(10741) -&gt; Done
  Done -&gt;

struct TvPvrTmsProgram { // id=10741
  STRING TmsId;
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
Well, you get the picture.  There's some fun stuff out there.  Thanks again to MuscleNerd for pointing it out!<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>drnull wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 12:58</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>checksum is some checksum for the header.  Not positive yet what it is based on, or how it's calculated.<br></td></tr></table><br />
I never bothered to figure out how it's calculated.  But in a sense, it doesn't matter how...you just need to know what it is, so that you can send it to the tvbus network client (tivoapp) when you use a given structure.  If you don't send back the checksum contained in the *.tvbin file, your transaction will be unceremoniously halted.<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>drnull wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 12:58</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>checksum is some checksum for the header.  Not positive yet what it is based on, or how it's calculated.<br></td></tr></table><br />
I never bothered to figure out how it's calculated.  But in a sense, it doesn't matter how...you just need to know what it is, so that you can send it to the tvbus network server (tivoapp) when you use a given structure.  If you don't send back the checksum contained in the *.tvbin file, your transaction will be unceremoniously halted.<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>drnull wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 12:58</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><br />
magic is always 12340003<br></td></tr></table><br />
The third and fourth bytes, 0003, reflect the IDL version.  The early *.tvbin files were type 0002, and there are some subtle variations in the layout between 0002/0003.  But I wouldn't bother with 0002 nowadays.<br />
<br />
As tivoapp is running, if it decides it needs to learn about a structure or protocol to communicate with a client, it actually loads the corresponding IDL file(s).  It caches what it uses, so it won't ever need to read the same IDL file twice between reboots.<br />
<br />
Normally, tivoapp looks for the IDL files in $TIVO_ROOT/tvlib/idl/.  But if tivoapp sees the environment variable TV_IDL_PATH set, it will use that location instead.  That location can even be an http:// URL.  For instance, you can fire up apache on a local computer and feed tivoapp the *.tvbin files from your web server instead of letting it look in $TIVO_ROOT/tvlib/idl/.  Reading the server's access log will give you a quick and dirty method of determining when tivoapp needed to look up certain IDLs.<br />
<br />
<br />
As tivoapp is running, if it decides it needs to learn about a structure or protocol to communicate with a client, it actually loads the corresponding IDL file(s).  It caches what it uses, so it won't ever need to read the same IDL file twice between reboots.<br />
<br />
Normally, tivoapp looks for the IDL files in $TIVO_ROOT/tvlib/idl/.  But if tivoapp sees the environment variable TV_IDL_PATH set, it will use that location instead.  That &quot;location&quot; can actually be a series of paths separated by colons.In addition to <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=118&amp;start=0&amp;rid=19" target="_blank">IDL files</a>, tivoapp makes use of &quot;TUIK&quot; resources.  These are items used by the GUI -- things like menu contents, fonts, and icon *.png files.  Similar to the way IDL files are treated, tivoapp only loads these resources as needed, and keeps them cached until reboot.<br />
<br />
Normally, tivoapp retrieves these images from MFS.  They get there via the swsystem slice (and as such, you can extract them all from that slice using readguide -f).<br />
<br />
However, tivoapp can be told to look for them somewhere other than MFS by way of the TV_FEATURE_TUIK_RESOURCES environment variable.  That variable should specify a URL of the type &quot;file://&quot;, &quot;shmem://&quot;, or &quot;http://&quot;.  So, for instance, you can stick all the resources (there are over 300 of them) on a local apache server and feed them to tivoapp that way.<br />
To help understand how the IDL files can uncover TiVo's protocols, here's a short example.  It uses the TvLedService, as described by these three IDL files:<br />
<pre>
12011:TvLedService
   Steady (0)
      direction 00000002
      eventId   00012012
      gotoState 00000000
      bits      00000000
      -------------------
      direction 00000002
      eventId   00012013
      gotoState 00000000
      bits      00000000
      -------------------

12012:TvLedSet
   idLed                     (enum 12014:TvLedId)
       0 GYGreen
       1 GYYellow
       2 RYYellow
       3 RYRed
       7 FrontB

12013:TvLedClear
   idLed                     (enum 12014:TvLedId)
       0 GYGreen
       1 GYYellow
       2 RYYellow
       3 RYRed
       7 FrontB
</pre><br />
<br />
Note that you can connect to the event switcher either over the network or via the /dev/router_client device.  The attached example does the latter, and so must be run on the local TiVo.<br />
<br />
Oh yeah, the example just blinks the front LEDs a few times.  It does *not* do this by writing directly to the LED's tty.  The point of the example is to show how the IDL files can unveil the tvbus protocols.<br />
<br />
Some of the C code is very inelegant, but it was a quick hack.Here is an example hex dump of 0x1031b.tvbin from 4.01b<br />
<br />
It has a different formatID. (10004)<br />
<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>00000000   12 34 00 03  00 01 00 04  00 C4 23 B0  00 00 00 E1  .4........#.....
00000010   00 01 03 1B  00 00 00 0F  54 76 43 6F  6D 6D 43 61  ........TvCommCa
00000020   6C 6C 54 79  70 65 00 00  81 32 15 00  00 00 01 00  llType...2......
00000030   00 00 09 00  00 00 0E 00  00 00 06 44  41 49 4C 59  ...........DAILY
00000040   00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00  10 00 00 00  08 48 45 41  .............HEA
00000050   44 45 4E 44  00 00 00 00  01 00 00 00  0E 00 00 00  DEND............
00000060   06 53 45 54  55 50 00 00  00 00 02 00  00 00 0D 00  .SETUP..........
00000070   00 00 05 54  45 53 54 00  00 00 00 03  00 00 00 14  ...TEST.........
00000080   00 00 00 0C  54 45 53 54  44 45 46 41  55 4C 54 00  ....TESTDEFAULT.
00000090   00 00 00 04  00 00 00 13  00 00 00 0B  47 45 54 44  ............GETD
000000A0   49 41 4C 49  4E 53 00 00  00 00 05 00  00 00 18 00  IALINS..........
000000B0   00 00 10 53  43 48 45 44  55 4C 45 44  5F 44 41 49  ...SCHEDULED_DAI
000000C0   4C 59 00 00  00 00 06 00  00 00 10 00  00 00 08 4D  LY.............M
000000D0   45 52 43 55  52 59 00 00  00 00 07 00  00 00 12 00  ERCURY..........
000000E0   00 00 0A 54  45 53 54 50  48 4F 4E 45  00 00 00 00  ...TESTPHONE....
000000F0   08                                                  .
</pre></div><br />
<br />
The reason I'm looking at this file is that it refers to the MERCURY protocol.<br />
<br />
Have you created any tools to help decode the IDL files?10004 is the actual enum class, and 10005 is just an instance of that class.   So you should expect to see 10004 called out for in all specific enums, not 10005.<br />
<pre>
10004:TvBusEnum
   id                        (unsigned_long)
   name                      (string)
   checksum                  (unsigned_long)
   flags                     (unsigned_long)
   vItem                     (vlist subobj 10003:TvBusEnumItem)
       name                  (string)
       value                 (long)
</pre><br />
<br />
The formatID of 10005 and 1031b and all the other enums is 10004.<br />
<br />
So, for the 0x1031b object (which is also present in 4.0)....<br />
<pre>
1031b:TvCommCallType
   0 DAILY
   1 HEADEND
   2 SETUP
   3 TEST
   4 TESTDEFAULT
   5 GETDIALINS
   6 SCHEDULED_DAILY
   7 MERCURY
   8 TESTPHONE
</pre><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>MuscleNerd wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 19:42</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>To help understand how the IDL files can uncover TiVo's protocols, here's a short example.<br></td></tr></table>MuscleNerd, I'm curious as to what the rest of the &quot;stuff&quot; in the messages are, for example, these fields:<div class="pre"><pre>  e.w[2] =  htonl(0x00012011);   // protocol = TvLedService
[b]  e.w[3] =  htonl(0x00000014);   // remaining[/b]
[b]  e.w[4] =  htonl(0x00010000);   // flags for protocol[/b]
  e.w[5] =  htonl(0x00a9f808);   // checksum for protocol
  e.w[6] =  htonl(0x12340003);   // header of action
  e.w[7] =  htonl(0x00012012);   // event = TvLedSet
  e.w[8] =  htonl(0x00c5f310);   // checksum for event
[b]  e.w[9] =  htonl(0x00000004);   // remaining[/b]</pre></div>I'm trying to (not surprisingly) cook up a SendKey replacement, but my first steps have been stumbles, to say the least. I can't send more than 44 bytes to the device, or I get EINVAL. Is there something in the header that's &quot;prepping&quot; the device to not take any more than this? <br />
<br />
Brad<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>MuscleNerd wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 19:42</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>To help understand how the IDL files can uncover TiVo's protocols, here's a short example.<br></td></tr></table>MuscleNerd, I'm curious as to what the rest of the &quot;stuff&quot; in the messages are, for example, these fields:<br />
<br />
  e.w[2] =  htonl(0x00012011);   // protocol = TvLedService<br />
<b>  e.w[3] =  htonl(0x00000014);   // remaining</b><br />
<b>  e.w[4] =  htonl(0x00010000);   // flags for protocol</b><br />
  e.w[5] =  htonl(0x00a9f808);   // checksum for protocol<br />
  e.w[6] =  htonl(0x12340003);   // header of action<br />
  e.w[7] =  htonl(0x00012012);   // event = TvLedSet<br />
  e.w[8] =  htonl(0x00c5f310);   // checksum for event<br />
<b>  e.w[9] =  htonl(0x00000004);   // remaining</b><br />
<br />
I'm trying to (not surprisingly) cook up a SendKey replacement, but my first steps have been stumbles, to say the least. I can't send more than 44 bytes to the device, or I get EINVAL. Is there something in the header that's &quot;prepping&quot; the device to not take any more than this? <br />
<br />
Brad<br />
<br />
<b></b>The first &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes remaining in the message minus 20 bytes (because the first 5 dwords don't count towards it).  That value can never be more than the max message len of 0x100 (an thus large messages span multiple packets).<br />
<br />
The second &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes remaining in the packet.  Because the packet size is dword-aligned, there may be some extra unused bytes at the end of it...this field helps disambiguate that.<br />
<br />
If either of those two fields are inconsistent with the packet you're trying to send, tivoapp silently (no log messages) treats this as an error and drops you.<br />
The first &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes in the message minus 20 bytes (because the first 5 dwords don't count towards it).  That value can never be more than the max message len of 0x100 (an thus large messages span multiple packets).<br />
<br />
The second &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes remaining in the packet.  Because the packet size is dword-aligned, there may be some extra unused bytes at the end of it...this field helps disambiguate that.<br />
<br />
If either of those two fields is inconsistent with the packet you're trying to send, tivoapp silently (no log messages) treats this as an error and drops you.The first &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes in the message minus 20 bytes (because the first 5 dwords don't count towards it).  That value can never be more than the max message len of 0x100 (and thus large messages span multiple packets).<br />
<br />
The second &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes remaining in the packet.  Because the packet size is dword-aligned, there may be some extra unused bytes at the end of it...this field helps disambiguate that.<br />
<br />
If either of those two fields is inconsistent with the packet you're trying to send, tivoapp silently (no log messages) treats this as an error and drops you.The first &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes in the message minus 24 bytes (because the first 6 dwords don't count towards it).  That value can never be more than the max message len of 0x100 (and thus large messages span multiple packets).<br />
<br />
The second &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes remaining in the packet.  Because the packet size is dword-aligned, there may be some extra unused bytes at the end of it...this field helps disambiguate that.<br />
<br />
If either of those two fields is inconsistent with the packet you're trying to send, tivoapp silently (no log messages) treats this as an error and drops you.The first &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes remaining in the message minus 24 bytes (because the first 6 dwords don't count towards it).  That value can never be more than the max message len of 0x100 (and thus large messages span multiple packets).<br />
<br />
The second &quot;remaining&quot; field is the number of bytes remaining in the packet.  Because the packet size is dword-aligned, there may be some extra unused bytes at the end of it...this field helps disambiguate that.<br />
<br />
If either of those two fields is inconsistent with the packet you're trying to send, tivoapp silently (no log messages) treats this as an error and drops you.MuscleNerd got me going down this path with his post here: <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#post174502" target="_blank">    http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174502#po st174502</a><br />
<br />
As he said, the format is very regular, and self describing.  It is amusing, in fact, how self describing it is.  If you look at 0x10002.tvbin, what you will find is that it actually defines it's own structure.<br />
<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>0000000: 12340003 00010002 0086da1f 0000007d  .4.............}
0000010: 00010002 0000000c 54764275 73537472  ........TvBusStr
0000020: 75637400 0086da1f 00000004 0000000f  uct.............
0000030: 00000003 69640000 00000100 00000400  ....id..........
0000040: 00001100 0000056e 616d6500 00000001  .......name.....
0000050: 00000007 00000015 00000009 63686563  ............chec
0000060: 6b73756d 00000000 01000000 04000000  ksum............
0000070: 1c000000 08764d65 6d626572 00000000  .....vMember....
0000080: 03000000 08000000 0a000100 01        .............</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
The first 3 ints of the idl files are the magic, formatID, checksum.  magic is always 12340003, formatID is one of 3 values in all current idl's.  10002 (for structures), 10004 (for enums), and 10009 (for transitions/state machines).  checksum is some checksum for the header.  Not positive yet what it is based on, or how it's calculated.  What comes next depends on which formatID was specified.  But, if you know how to decode 10002's, then you know how to decode everything (since you can then decode the format of 10004's and 10009's.).<br />
<br />
So let's look at 10002's.<br />
<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>struct TvBusStruct { // id=10002
  UNSIGNED_LONG id;
  STRING name;
  UNSIGNED_LONG checksum;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusStructMember&gt; vMember; // id=10001
};

struct TvBusStructMember { // id=10001
  STRING name;
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvBusTypeDescriptor&gt; vType; // id=10005
};

enum TvBusTypeDescriptor { // id=10005 flags=0
    SHORT=0x1,
    UNSIGNED_SHORT=0x2,
    LONG=0x3,
    UNSIGNED_LONG=0x4,
    LONG_LONG=0x5,
    UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG=0x6,
    STRING=0x7,
    SEQUENCE=0x8,
    OPTIONAL=0x9,
    STRUCT=0xa,
    ENUM=0xb,
    OCTET=0xc,
    BOOLEAN=0xd
};</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
Any time a STRUCT is to be read, there will be a size value that specifies how big it is.  That would be int#4 (0000007d).  Now, we start reading the structure in.  STRING's are stored as an integer (length) followed by length bytes of the null terminated string.  SEQUENCE objects are vectors or arrays, however you want to think of them.  They are stored as an integer (count) followed by each of the elements.  OPTIONAL objects are stored as a BOOLEAN flag, followed by the element it contains (if flag == true).  ENUM's are stored as the integer representation of the ENUM.  OCTET's and BOOLEAN's are just char's.<br />
<br />
So, for the 10002 example, we see the following properties:<br />
id = 0x00010002<br />
name = TvBusStruct<br />
checksum = 0x0086da1f<br />
vMember[0].name = id<br />
vMember[0].vType = [UNSIGNED_LONG]<br />
vMember[1].name = name<br />
vMember[1].vType = [STRING]<br />
vMember[2].name = checksum<br />
vMember[2].vType = [UNSIGNED_LONG]<br />
vMember[3].name = vMember<br />
vMember[3].vType = [SEQUENCE, STRUCT, 0x00010001]<br />
<br />
The vType field deserves some a special note.  vType is a vector of types.  The last one is the actual type of the element(s) that the member will contain.  In the 10002 example, we see that we have a SEQUENCE of 100001's.  [OPTIONAL, LONG] would mean we have an optional long.  [OPTIONAL, SEQUENCE, ENUM, 0x00010001] means we have an optional sequence of 10001's.<br />
<br />
Ok, so those were boring.  Here are some fun ones:<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>struct TvDbProgramInfo { // id=10224
  STRING title;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; episodeTitle;
  BOOLEAN fUniqueEpisode;
  OPTIONAL&lt;STRING&gt; description;
  SEQUENCE&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; vGenre;
  SEQUENCE&lt;STRING&gt; vActor;
  OPTIONAL&lt;UNSIGNED_LONG&gt; movieYear;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbMpaa&gt; mpaaRating; // id=2f27
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; originalAirDate;
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbStar&gt; starRating; // id=2f4a
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvDbAdvisory&gt; vAdvisory; // id=2ee2
  OPTIONAL&lt;TvDbProgramGuideSource&gt; enumGuideSource; // id=2f31
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvRemoteSource { // id=12000 flags=1
    REMOTE=0x1,
    PANEL=0x2,
    KEYBOARD=0x3,
    SERIAL=0x4
};

enum TvRemoteKey { // id=12001 flags=1
    NONE=0xffffffff,
    UP=0x0,
    DOWN=0x1,
&lt;...snip...&gt;
    PRINT_SCREEN=0xb0,
    LASTKEY=0xb1
};

struct TvRemoteEvent { // id=12004
  TvRemoteSource source; // id=12000
  BOOLEAN fKeyPress;
  LONG nRepeat;
  TvRemoteKey keyCode; // id=12001
  SEQUENCE&lt;TvRemoteKey&gt; vKeyDown; // id=12001
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG timeStamp;
  LONG remoteId;
  BOOLEAN fRequestAck;
};

struct TvRemoteSendKey { // id=12007
  TvRemoteEvent key; // id=12004
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvDbWhatsOnNow 0x10218
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvDbWhatsOnNowSpec(10219) -&gt; Properties
  Properties -&gt;
       SEND TvBusQueryPropertiesEvent(11008) -&gt; Running
  Running -&gt;
       SEND TvDbWhatsOnNowItem(1021a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryDoneEvent(11009) -&gt; Running
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Running
       SEND TvBusQueryStaleEvent(1100b) -&gt; Stale
  Stale -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvBusQueryShiftWindowEvent(1100a) -&gt; Stale BITS IGNORE</pre></div></font><br />
Remote scheduling?<br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
enum TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast { // id=1061d flags=0
    UNTIL_SPACE_NEEDED=0x0,
    UNTIL_USER_DELETES=0x1,
    SPECIFIED_SECONDS=0x2
};

struct TvPvrRecordingQueueCreateMsg { // id=1061f
  STRING idKnownHost;
  UNSIGNED_LONG_LONG idRemoteRecording;
  BOOLEAN fStartFromBookmark;
  TvPvrRecordingQueueKeepAtLeast keepAtLeast; // id=1061d
  OPTIONAL&lt;LONG&gt; nSpecifiedSeconds;
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<font face="courier"><div class="pre"><pre>
Transition: TvPvrRecordByTmsId 0x10740
  Start -&gt;
    RECEIVE TvPvrTmsProgram(10741) -&gt; Done
  Done -&gt;

struct TvPvrTmsProgram { // id=10741
  STRING TmsId;
};
</pre></div></font><br />
<br />
Well, you get the picture.  There's some fun stuff out there.  Thanks again to MuscleNerd for pointing it out!When providing the TUIK files via a web server, a certain directory structure is required  -- all the resources aren't just expected to exist in a single directory.  Attached is a script that creates the directory layout you need.<br />
<br />
Here's how you use it:  using &quot;readguide -f&quot;, extract all the resources from a swsystem slice.  Dump them all into a subdirectory called &quot;swsystem&quot;.  Also, create a text file called &quot;swsystem.lis&quot; which is just the captured stdout from running readguide.  Then, run the following script.  It reads swsystem.lis and creates a symlink tree with everything pointing to the right place.  The attachment &quot;htdocs.txt&quot; is a representation of what links are being made (it's just the stdout from running my script against 4.0).The contenthash is the sha1sum adjusted for PPC (3210 byte order instead of 0123).Does anyone have any pointers where to find the IR database and program that generates IR traffic to micro?<br />
<br />
I am looking into adding some IR features.Does anybody have an enumerated list of error codes as reported in tclient logs?<br />
<br />
I'm particularly interested in the 300xx series.I think you mean Tivo Control Station, not the name grab.The OZTIVO group has some utilities which will generate the IR slice.  I've never really looked at adding new devices, but in OZ, it is really important.<a href="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=187071#post187070" target="_blank"> http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=187071#po st187070</a><br />
<br />
that is the beginning of some documentation of the brf format. it appears there are a number of different ways in which the tivo generates menus, including the use of a &quot;tvml&quot; language, which looks similar to htmlI've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
[Edit 20041028: there may be a little bug with setting the process priority that might cause problems if these programs are run on a busy system.  I'll post a fixed version soon.]I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
There may be a little bug that might cause problems if these programs are run on a busy system.  Riley reported that running mfs_stream killed an active recording process.  These programs do alter their priority to SCHED_FIFO/1, which I think is the right thing.  But they use a larger I/O buffer than the originals (512K instead of 128K).  Perhaps it's a memory use issue?It looks like this topic has been dead for a while, but I guess I'll see if anyone is still paying attention.  <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
My interest is (to make a long story short) in streaming the live tv buffer, so I've been poring over what you guys have written as well as dumps of the live buffers on my SA tivo.  My basic problem is this: I need to be able to figure out where in the live buffer's set of tysreams the tivo is currently writing.  It usually has at least one extra buffer on both the tail and head of the list, so I first need to identify the tystream that represents &quot;now&quot;, and then where in that tystream &quot;now&quot; is.  Easier said than done, it turns out.<br />
<br />
Unfortunately for me, in the case of the live tv buffer, they seem to have taken quite a few shortcuts.  The inode for each tystream is full of zero's and random data where useful data should be.  Alot of the headers and such described here are not fully filled in.  All of this has forced me to try to dig deeper to get the most out of the valid data I _do_ get.<br />
<br />
Incidentally, I'm convinced that the process writing the live tv buffer tystream to disk and the process providing &quot;live tv&quot; to the viewer are using shared memory or something to store all of this useful data... but I'm stubborn <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> so I keep trying to see if I can ferret out the information I need.<br />
<br />
Here are some things that I've figured out that I haven't seen fully documented elsewhere:<br />
<br />
in mfs_inode fill2[3] is actually<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>
        u32 unitsforsizeused;   /* was fill2[0] */
        u32 sizeused;           /* was fill2[1] */
        u32 alloctimestamp;     /* was fill2[2] */
</pre></div><br />
unitsforsizeused and sizeused go as a pair with units and size.<br />
alloctimestamp is when the tystream inode was allocated in normal  ulong seconds-since-epoch form.<br />
<br />
In the master chunk (MC), I believe the first 3 bytes of 0x0c is the number of sectors the tystream occupies.  I don't know why the 4th byte is always 0x04, but that *256-4 chunks formula bugged me, so I distilled it to what I believe it really is.<br />
<br />
Things I've noticed different about live buffer tystreams:<br />
<br />
1) each live tystream is always 1632 chunks, of which 1631 max <br />
   are used, and the usedsize in the tystream inode is always 0<br />
2) the flags member in the inode may (apparently) randomly have<br />
   the MSB set<br />
3) in the MC 0x04-0x07 (sbrk calls it obj_type) is 1 instead of 2<br />
4) in the MC the sector count is zero<br />
<br />
Any tips (and I mean _any_ tips at _all_) that you guys have on the live buffer are really welcome.  My forehead is getting soft from banging it against the wall...<br />
<br />
-AndyI've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
[edited 20041030 to replace with a new snapshot.]<br />
<br />
I attached a new snapshot to the first post.  <br />
<br />
Please see the README.Jamie in the archive for a complete summary.<br />
<br />
Changes since last time:<br />
<br />
Reverted I/O buffers back to 128K.  The larger size didn't change performance that much, and I'm suspicious that it may have caused Riley's issue.<br />
<br />
#ifdef out all sched_setscheduler priority manipulation stuff.  This should cause the processes to run under the timesharing scheduler, below all realtime priority processes, and make it less likely to interfere with TiVo processes.  Again, maybe this will help Riley's issue.<br />
<br />
Get mfs_streams to work.  This involved reworking the schema scheme.  Unfortunately this makes the binaries bigger, since there is now a (large) compiled in schema in each of them.<br />
<br />
mfs_export now can write to stdout.Hmm...would it be possible to only compile that into mfs_streams and nothing else?<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Sat, 30 October 2004 22:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Hmm...would it be possible to only compile that into mfs_streams and nothing else?<br></td></tr></table><br />
Turns out that the schema stuff in schema.c is referenced by mfs.c, which is used by every program.  It might be possible to factor all the schema access out of mfs.c so that only programs that need it will pick it up.  mfs_streams, mfs_tmfstream, mfs_dumpobj, for sure; I'm not sure about the others.<br />
<br />
Another possibility is to build a shared library for the common stuff.  But then we have to worry about making sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to the directory where the shared library lives, etc.  Doesn't really satisfy the &quot;all apps run standalone without external files&quot; constrain you had for the AiO distribution.  We're relaxing that a little just by linking dynamically (they all require glibc).<br />
<br />
I could also go back to requiring an external schema with nothing built in.  But, again, you'd need to have schema.txt installed and have TIVO_SCHEMA set to point to it.  I could make the default path be the same directory as the executable, to relax the environment variable requirement.<br />
<br />
Finally, we could go to a busybox style multicall binary.<br />
<br />
Since the dynamic executables are only ~100K (mips), I'm not sure that any of these options are worth the trouble, but I'll listen to other opinions.  I might at least try to refactor mfs.c to move the schema references out.<br />
<br />
BTW, another new snapshot is attached to the first post (20041031).  This fixes some bugs uncovered by JBuehl.  I rebuilt the mips binaries with a new toolchain and fixed some longstanding memory overright problems related to the superblock size.  One of these superblock size problems had been fixed in some branches, but not others, and I failed to catch it in the merge.  Another seemed to be one that hadn't been noticed before.  ElectricFence and gdb watchpoints on the i386 side helped catch these.<br />
I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
[edited 20041031 to replace with a new snapshot.]<br />
<br />
I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
[edited 20041031 to replace with a new snapshot.]<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Jamie wrote on Sun, 31 October 2004 03:51</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Sat, 30 October 2004 22:45</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Hmm...would it be possible to only compile that into mfs_streams and nothing else?<br></td></tr></table><br />
Turns out that the schema stuff in schema.c is referenced by mfs.c, which is used by every program.  It might be possible to factor all the schema access out of mfs.c so that only programs that need it will pick it up.  mfs_streams, mfs_tmfstream, mfs_dumpobj, for sure; I'm not sure about the others.<br />
<br />
Another possibility is to build a shared library for the common stuff.  But then we have to worry about making sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to the directory where the shared library lives, etc.  Doesn't really satisfy the &quot;all apps run standalone without external files&quot; constrain you had for the AiO distribution.  We're relaxing that a little just by linking dynamically (they all require glibc).<br />
<br />
I could also go back to requiring an external schema with nothing built in.  But, again, you'd need to have schema.txt installed and have TIVO_SCHEMA set to point to it.  I could make the default path be the same directory as the executable, to relax the environment variable requirement.<br />
<br />
Finally, we could go to a busybox style multicall binary.<br />
<br />
Since the dynamic executables are only ~100K (mips), I'm not sure that any of these options are worth the trouble, but I'll listen to other opinions.  I might at least try to refactor mfs.c to move the schema references out.<br />
<br />
The latest snapshot is attached to the first post (20041031-2). This refactors the schema stuff out of mfs.c so that programs that don't use the schema won't have it included in the binaries. It also fixes some bugs uncovered by JBuehl.  I rebuilt the mips binaries with a new toolchain and fixed some longstanding memory overwrite problems related to the superblock size.  One of these superblock size problems had been fixed in some branches, but not others, and I failed to catch it in the merge.  Another seemed to be one that hadn't been noticed before.  ElectricFence and gdb watchpoints on the i386 side helped catch these.<br />
<br></td></tr></table><br />
The latest snapshot is attached to the first post (20041031-2). This refactors the schema stuff out of mfs.c so that programs that don't use the schema won't have it included in the binaries.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Jamie wrote on Sun, 31 October 2004 04:51</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Another possibility is to build a shared library for the common stuff.  But then we have to worry about making sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to the directory where the shared library lives, etc.  Doesn't really satisfy the &quot;all apps run standalone without external files&quot; constrain you had for the AiO distribution.  We're relaxing that a little just by linking dynamically (they all require glibc).<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Well, the apps can require an external file, but only if its something very common (e.g. more than one app uses it) and if it doesn't have to be in any specific directory. Therefore anything you want to add as an external file will be just fine (seeing as there are multiple programs that depend on it) provided the path isn't hardcoded. Defaulting to the current location of the binary with an optional environment variable would be perfect.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>AlphaWolf wrote on Sun, 31 October 2004 10:14</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br><br />
Well, the apps can require an external file, but only if its something very common (e.g. more than one app uses it) and if it doesn't have to be in any specific directory. Therefore anything you want to add as an external file will be just fine (seeing as there are multiple programs that depend on it) provided the path isn't hardcoded. Defaulting to the current location of the binary with an optional environment variable would be perfect.<br></td></tr></table>  I kind of like having the apps be self contained, using an embedded schema.  It's faster than reading an schema in from a file too, though that's probably not too important.  <br />
<br />
With the latest build, only a few apps need the schema, so the total size of the whole bin.mips directory is cut ~ in half. Good enough, for now?<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br> I kind of like having the apps be self contained, using an embedded schema. It's faster than reading an schema in from a file too, though that's probably not too important.<br />
<br />
With the latest build, only a few apps need the schema, so the total size of the whole bin.mips directory is cut ~ in half. <br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Sounds like the absolute best approach.<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Quote:</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Good enough, for now?<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Perfect <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> In the last post I was just letting you know what I meant with those contraints though.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Jamie wrote on Sun, 31 October 2004 11:39</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>I kind of like having the apps be self contained, using an embedded schema. It's faster than reading an schema in from a file too, though that's probably not too important.<br />
<br />
With the latest build, only a few apps need the schema, so the total size of the whole bin.mips directory is cut ~ in half. <br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Sounds like the absolute best approach.<br />
<br />
<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>Jamie wrote on Sun, 31 October 2004 11:39</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Good enough, for now?<br></td></tr></table><br />
<br />
Perfect <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> In the last post I was just re-interpreting what I meant with those guidelines I mentioned.whenever I run mfs_ftp, I see this getting dumped to the console:<br />
<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>Illegal read at 7ff00000
do_page_fault #2: sending signal 11 to mfs_stream(412)
$0 : 00000000 fefefeff 7ff00000 00000000 2ac95164 00000000 2ac94eef 00000000
$8 : 0000d400 00000000 00000000 00000003 002e0600 7b99c3e0 8075b000 eae1a805
$16: 00020000 7ffd7c70 00000000 0e000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
$24: 00000000 2ab790fc                   2ac9f440 7ffd7c28 00000000 00401904
Hi : 00000000
Lo : 000002a0
epc  : 2ab791e0    Not tainted
Status: 8001d413
Cause : 00000008
       8001e9fc 8001eac0 80022bb4 80022d74 80024db8  2ab791e0
       2ab791e0 00401904
Illegal read at 7ff00000
do_page_fault #2: sending signal 11 to mfs_stream(413)
$0 : 00000000 fefefeff 7ff00000 00000000 2ac95164 00000000 2ac94eef 00000000
$8 : 0000d400 00000000 00000000 00000003 00000000 7b99d3f8 8075b000 00000000
$16: 00020000 7ffd7c70 00000000 0e000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
$24: 00000000 2ab790fc                   2ac9f440 7ffd7c28 00000000 00401904
Hi : 00000000
Lo : 000003e0
epc  : 2ab791e0    Not tainted
Status: 8001d413
Cause : 00000008
       8001e9fc 8001eac0 80022bb4 80022d74 80024db8  2ab791e0
       2ab791e0 00401904</pre></div><br />
whenever I run mfs_ftp, I see this getting dumped to the console:<br />
<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>Illegal read at 7ff00000
do_page_fault #2: sending signal 11 to mfs_stream(412)
$0 : 00000000 fefefeff 7ff00000 00000000 2ac95164 00000000 2ac94eef 00000000
$8 : 0000d400 00000000 00000000 00000003 002e0600 7b99c3e0 8075b000 eae1a805
$16: 00020000 7ffd7c70 00000000 0e000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
$24: 00000000 2ab790fc                   2ac9f440 7ffd7c28 00000000 00401904
Hi : 00000000
Lo : 000002a0
epc  : 2ab791e0    Not tainted
Status: 8001d413
Cause : 00000008
       8001e9fc 8001eac0 80022bb4 80022d74 80024db8  2ab791e0
       2ab791e0 00401904
Illegal read at 7ff00000
do_page_fault #2: sending signal 11 to mfs_stream(413)
$0 : 00000000 fefefeff 7ff00000 00000000 2ac95164 00000000 2ac94eef 00000000
$8 : 0000d400 00000000 00000000 00000003 00000000 7b99d3f8 8075b000 00000000
$16: 00020000 7ffd7c70 00000000 0e000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
$24: 00000000 2ab790fc                   2ac9f440 7ffd7c28 00000000 00401904
Hi : 00000000
Lo : 000003e0
epc  : 2ab791e0    Not tainted
Status: 8001d413
Cause : 00000008
       8001e9fc 8001eac0 80022bb4 80022d74 80024db8  2ab791e0
       2ab791e0 00401904</pre></div><br />
<br />
FWIW (if anything at all) heres what vi spews to the console when it crashes on my box:<br />
<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>emulate_load_store_insn: sending signal 10 to vi(308)
$0 : 00000000 100027d4 2ad5916c 616c0a00 100cc298 aea09890 00002000 ffffffff
$8 : 00000000 00002000 100cc290 2ad59164 00000000 00000000 7fff76f0 00000000
$16: 2ad59164 100ca290 00000002 00000002 00405fd0 1000f50c 00000000 1001eacc
$24: 00000000 2ac3d268                   2ad63440 7fff7b48 00000000 2ac3d224
Hi : 00000000
Lo : cccccccd
epc  : 2ac3d4fc    Not tainted
Status: a001d413
Cause : 00000010
       8001e9fc 8001eac0 80022bb4 800215b4 8001d6b8  2ac3d4fc
       2ac3d4fc 2ac3d224 0042b528 0042b058 00406700 0040609c</pre></div>The mfs_stream bug is my fault.  I moved some I/O buffers from the heap (malloc) to the stack (C auto variables), and left in a &quot;free(buf)&quot; in one of the error paths.  I'll put a new snapshot out tomorrow with this fix as well as other new goodies.<br />
<br />
The vi fault appears to be in the kernel unaligned memory access emulation code. I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
[edited 20041031 to replace with a new snapshot.]<br />
<br />
I posted a new snapshot.  The main feature of this version is that it allows speads up mfs_ftp insertions by allowing mfs_import to read directly from the socket connection instead of having data piped through mfs_ftp.tcl.  To get the benefit of this, you'll need to apply the included mfs_ftp.tcl patch.<br />
<br />
The CHANGES file is attached here, but also included in the snapshot attached to the first post.<br />
<br />
I posted a new snapshot.  The main feature of this version is that it speads up mfs_ftp insertions by allowing mfs_import to read directly from the socket connection instead of having data piped through mfs_ftp.tcl.  To get the benefit of this, you'll need to apply the included mfs_ftp.tcl patch.<br />
<br />
The CHANGES file is attached here, but also included in the snapshot attached to the first post.<br />
<br />
I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
[edited 20041107 to replace with a new snapshot.]<br />
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spam...its wonderful spamHas anyone done any work on being able to move and resize MFS partitions?  I have a 40gig S2 drive that I want to copy to a 120gig drive, but unfortunately there are already 16 partitions on it so neither &quot;mfsrestore -x&quot; nor &quot;mfsadd -x&quot; will expand the disk.<br />
<br />
I'm beginning to look at modifying mfstools to do this.  It seems like the expand option could actually expand the third application/media region to use all the disk space.  Even better would be to combine the second and third region pairs into one.<br />
<br />
Another approach would be to build a PartitonMagic-like utility for MFS, but that is more that I want to take on at this point.<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>wc b wrote on Sun, 14 November 2004 14:42</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>Here is a patch that allows you to browse an inconsistent filesystem in RO mode.  Current behavior is to crap out completely on an inconsistent FS, which is somewhat sub-optimal if you are trying to recover data by hand.<br></td></tr></table><br />
I merged this into the latest build, now posted in the DDB files forum.<br />
<br />
I've been trying to &quot;un-fork&quot; the various vplay branches. At the same time, I've done a little performance tweaking, though I'm sure there's more that could be done.<br />
<br />
I started with this <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336" target="_blank">http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132336</a> tree from ADH.  I merged in JonBig's mfs_tmfstream, an S2 improved util.c from ADH, the mbm improved mfs_import.c, and some changes I made when I did the SD-H400 unlock utility.  I further tweaked the pread/pwrite functions to avoid doing some extra mallocs and copies that were unnecessary.<br />
<br />
I was chatting with folks on IRC and there was interest, so here's a very early alpha snapshot.  Sorry, no README yet for my changes. Extraction performance with mfs_tarstream to /dev/null seems to be 3-5 times faster than it was in the older binaries I tried.  I don't think insertion has changed much: it's still the mbm version.<br />
<br />
The archive has x86, mips and ppc binaries, but I've only tested the mips binaries.<br />
<br />
Perhaps disclaimers such as this are unnecessary here, but I'll state the obvious anyway: Be aware that bugs could cause file system corruption.  I don't recommend you try this build unless you are a developer and know what you are getting into.  A release version will eventually be posted, here, and/or on DDB.<br />
<br />
[edited 20041122: latest build is now in the DDB files forum.]<br />
<br />
Finally got the cross-compiler to build and compile apps (on cygwin, details <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=196819&amp;postcount=56" target="_blank">here</a>).  the hello Tivo one build and runs fine on my s2 5.1.1b toshiba.  The blinkled app above, does not (either the bin in the zip or if I compile the source).  It does not give any errors, but the led does not change either.  At first look, the tdl files are the same.<br />
<br />
Here's 12011 (how'd you get your dumps that way?):<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>tivo://tvlib/idl$ hexdump -v 0x12011.tvbin
0000000 1234 0003 0001 0009 00c9 c55d 0000 0058
0000010 0001 2011 0000 000d 5476 4c65 6453 6572
0000020 7669 6365 0000 a9f8 0800 0000 0100 0000
0000030 3700 0000 0753 7465 6164 7900 0000 0002
0000040 0000 0010 0000 0002 0001 2012 0000 0000
0000050 0000 0000 0000 0010 0000 0002 0001 2013
0000060 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000068</pre></div><br />
<br />
The first post of this thread says checksum is the 3rd int, so it would be 00c9c55d, right?  cause the code has 00a9f808.  Changing the checksums to the 3rd int didn't fix it.  I wonder if I need to re-do some of the cross-compiler to use 5.1.1 stuff instead of a pre-built s2 compiler.  <br />
<br />
Besides the 3 forums I have found, are there any other locations that have help/details on how to do some of this stuff.  Thanks.<br />
Bumping an oldie but goodie...<br />
<br />
I've proven the detailed work of MuscleNerd above on a &quot;homemade&quot; config that I made using alldeadhomiez's instructions over on DDB. I used a 40GB drive and ended up fitting in the 024E83E0-025DC620 range, meaning a lot of my space was being used for clips. I modified this entry in the table to look like the 0007A120-00BAC480 entry (fixed ~266MG clips area) and rebooted. I had previously had the unit &quot;full&quot;, but now, scheduling new shows brought no warnings about early deletions. I've got both tuners scheduled to record through the night, so the proof will be in the morning, but I'm fairly certain it's &quot;fixed&quot;. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
Now, the real reason for my post: Though the table appears to have a &quot;catchall&quot; at the end that would result in ~10GB of clips space for configs with greater than 60GB or so, it doesn't seem to be the case on a 250GB HDVR2 that I have. Here's the HServer.send bits:<br />
<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTAPP: 1047248<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTMEDIA: 485361664<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTCLIPS: 23804683<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTRBACKS: 102400<br />
<br />
Thus, it almost seems that the clips space is calculated some other way for these configs. I may try changing the catchall in tivoapp to something smaller to see if that changes anything, but in the meantime, do we have any new ideas as to how the large configs are calculated?<br />
<br />
BradBumping an oldie but goodie...<br />
<br />
I've proven the detailed work of MuscleNerd above on a &quot;homemade&quot; config that I made using alldeadhomiez's instructions over on DDB. I used a 40GB drive and ended up fitting in the 024E83E0-025DC620 range, meaning a lot of my space was being used for clips. I modified this entry in the table to look like the 0007A120-00BAC480 entry (fixed ~266MG clips area) and rebooted. I had previously had the unit &quot;full&quot;, but now, scheduling new shows brought no warnings about early deletions. I've got both tuners scheduled to record through the night, so the proof will be in the morning, but I'm fairly certain it's &quot;fixed&quot;. <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"><br />
<br />
Now, the real reason for my post: Though the table appears to have a &quot;catchall&quot; at the end that would result in ~10GB of clips space for configs with greater than 60GB or so, it doesn't seem to be the case on a 250GB HDVR2 that I have. Here's the HServer.send bits:<br />
<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTAPP: 1047248<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTMEDIA: 485361664<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTCLIPS: 23804683<br />
IDB_MFS_TOTRBACKS: 102400<br />
<br />
Thus, it almost seems that the clips space is calculated some other way for these configs. I may try changing the catchall in tivoapp to something smaller to see if that changes anything, but in the meantime, do we have any new ideas as to how the large configs are calculated?<br />
<br />
EDIT: I changed the tivoapp table to lower the clips space for the &quot;catchall&quot; bucket, and, as I suspected, no change in the actual clips usage. I did notice that this machine has a Config/DiskConfigurations entry in MFS, but it's for the unit as it was stock and basically mirrors one of the entries in the tivoapp table, so the 23GB of clips isn't coming from there. Man, what I wouldn't do to have that 23GB liberated. <br />
<br />
BradI believe the /Config/DIskConfigurations/Active object discussed in <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38331" target="_blank">this</a> thread may be relevant.  Is it present on your box?I believe the /Config/DiskConfigurations/Active object discussed in <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38331" target="_blank">this</a> thread may be relevant.  Is it present on your box?  There is a related discussion <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40179" target="_blank">here</a>I believe the /Config/DiskConfigurations/Active object discussed in <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38331" target="_blank">this</a> thread may be relevant.  Is it present on your box?  There is a related discussion <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40179" target="_blank">here</a><br />
<br />
{edit: sorry I missed your comment that you did have that object, but it didn't match the allocations your are seeing.}I believe the /Config/DiskConfigurations/Active object discussed in <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38331" target="_blank">this</a> thread may be relevant.  Is it present on your box?  There is a related discussion <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40179" target="_blank">here</a><br />
<br />
{edit: sorry I missed your comment that you did have that object, but it didn't match the allocations your are seeing.  You might still try rubbishing it, or modifying it with the sd-h400_unlock utility.}<br />
I believe the /Config/DiskConfigurations/Active object discussed in <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38331" target="_blank">this</a> thread may be relevant.  Is it present on your box?  There is a related discussion <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40179" target="_blank">here</a><br />
<br />
{edit: sorry I missed your comment that you did have that object, but it didn't match the allocations your are seeing.  Can you show us exactly what it contains?  You might still try rubbishing it, or modifying it with the sd-h400_unlock utility.}<br />
Can someone post the patch and offset for the hdtivo current tivoapp 3.1.5e?<br />
<br />
Or at least point me in the right direction for figuring this out myself?<br />
<br />
Based on MuscleNerd's hint <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174502&amp;postcount=23" target="_blank">here</a> I'm diving in (over my head probably) into clarifying which IDL files depict the structures for MRV.  As you konw there 700+ of these suckers so it's taking a while to open them and try to document/learn from them.  The 14000 series seems interesting. 14014, for instance, but I've a long way to go.<br />
<br />
Although I'm able to port many patches I'm having difficulty getting HMO/MRV working on 7.1a and don't intend to go to TTG.<br />
<br />
As soon as I've documented some more IDLs I'll post a list here.<br />
<br />
Any pointers will be appreciated.<br />
<br />
BTW, blinkled works fine and some of the coding is sinking in, thx.<br />
<br />
One question.  Would you recommend that I document/learn from the 4.x IDL files to decipher the entire HMO superpatch or jump into 7.1a IDL files to start?<br />
<br />
<br />
NutKase<table border="0" align="center" width="90%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td class="SmallText"><b>NutKase wrote on Fri, 11 February 2005 03:13</b></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><br>...Any pointers will be appreciated...<br></td></tr></table>You may already be aware of this, but if not, <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.pvrhax0r.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=51" target="_blank">routerplus</a> allows you to &quot;sniff&quot; TvBus messages on a running system.  In particular, try <i>rpsniff -t &quot;&quot;</i> and run the output through tivosh on a system with 7.x.  It beats having to decode the idl by hand.<br />
Here's my IDL parser from back when I first posted this message.  Hope it helps.  Based on MuscleNerd's hint <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174502&amp;postcount=23" target="_blank">here</a> I'm diving in (over my head probably) into clarifying which IDL files depict the structures for MRV.  As you know, there 700+ of these suckers so it's taking a while to open them and try to document/learn from them.  The 14000 series seems interesting. 14014, for instance, but I've a long way to go.<br />
<br />
Although I'm able to port many patches I'm having difficulty getting HMO/MRV working on 7.1a and don't intend to go to TTG.<br />
<br />
As soon as I've documented some more IDLs I'll post a list here.<br />
<br />
Any pointers will be appreciated.<br />
<br />
BTW, blinkled works fine and some of the coding is sinking in, thx.<br />
<br />
One question.  Would you recommend that I document/learn from the 4.x IDL files to decipher the entire HMO superpatch or jump into 7.1a IDL files to start?<br />
<br />
<br />
NutKaseI had a couple of problems running this on the 6.2 swsystem slice.  My version of readguide outputs Guide type %d at the top, so I had to chop that out.  Also, my TuikResource items didn't have SourcePath entires, so everything was failing.  Took that out since it wasn't being used anyways.I was interested in doing an MFS zone resize tool a while back, but I ended up doing a quick and dirty one-off to expand my disk instead, as described below.  wc_b suggested the approach.<br />
<br />
The key insight is the observation that MFS zones need not be in a one-to-one correspondence with partitions.  You can coalesce adjacent partitions together, and as long as they were adjacent in the MFS superblock devlist, and you delete the additional devices there, MFS doesn't care.<br />
<br />
To expand a disk with a full partition table:<ul><li>Copy the disk to the new larger disk with an mfsbackup|mfsrestore pipeline.  Do not 'optimize' the partition layout in the restore.  You want partitions 13-15 to be contiguous on disk.<li>Run pdisk on the new disk and verify that partitions 13-15 are contiguous.  Delete partitions 13-15 and replace them with a single partition 13 that covers the space of the previous 13-15.<li>Edit the devlist in the MFS superblock to list only partitions 10-13, dropping 14 and 15.  You just need to put a zero byte after &quot;/dev/hda13&quot; in the devlist string.  The devlist is at byte offset 36 in the first MFS partition (10).<li>MFS will reject the patched superblock unless you update the CRC.  <b>mfs_info -f</b> in recent mfs_* releases can do that.</ul>The resulting disk should be acceptable to the tivo and to mfsadd.  I've never tried to back mine up, so I'm not sure about mfsbackup.  If you want to play it safe, run mfscheck/fsfix on it before and after running mfsadd, and save the original disk.<br />
<br />
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If it is, then my only worry is long term effects should an upgrade roll out that's expecting all the partitions to be where they were originally, etc.<br />
<br />
Of course, to summarize my post linked above, the only reason I would want to do this (vs. starting from scratch with the original stock image) is because the new Tivo doesn't have (and won't download) the series ID's necessary to maintain the &quot;group&quot; once xferred (they all become separate episodes)<br />
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There's an mfs_ftp patch that allows the series ID, etc. to be maintained.  You have to patch mfs_ftp prior to extraction and again prior to insertion (assuming you're starting fresh).  Can't remember exactly where I saw it, but a search on DDB ought to turn it up.  Probably easier than going through the coalesce process if the only reason you're doing it is to maintain folders.<br />
<br />
--chrisThere's an mfs_ftp patch that allows the series ID, etc. to be maintained.  You have to patch mfs_ftp prior to extraction and again prior to insertion (assuming you're starting fresh).  Can't remember exactly where I saw it, but a search on DDB ought to turn it up.  Probably easier than going through the coalesce process if the only reason you're doing it is to maintain folders.<br />
<br />
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I haven't personally tried either one, so no yelling if it blows up, erases your disk, etc.Thanks for the reply... From first glance (and since I only want to do this to maintain folders), it looks as if this method is strictly for transferring shows to a PC and back?  (still need to read to figure out the actual logistics).<br />
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Is there instead a way to do this from Tivo to Tivo?  ie.  I have two units, upgraded about the same time a long time ago so they both have &quot;old databases&quot; with all the same series ID's etc. so when xferring shows back and forth, they stay in the same groups.  So, if I upgrade one at a time, can I do something to copy the entire SeriesID database from one &quot;old&quot; Tivo to the &quot;new&quot; one?  That would seem to be one way I can solve my problem.  Also, if I do go the to-PC-and-back route, if I xfer in a show from another Tivo that's from the same series, will it also fall into the correct folder?<br />
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<br />
Normally, tivoapp retrieves these images from MFS.  They get there via the swsystem slice (and as such, you can extract them all from that slice using readguide -f).<br />
<br />
However, tivoapp can be told to look for them somewhere other than MFS by way of the TV_HTML_SERVER environment variable.  That variable should specify a URL of the type &quot;file://&quot;, &quot;shmem://&quot;, or &quot;http://&quot;.  So, for instance, you can stick all the resources (there are over 300 of them) on a local apache server and feed them to tivoapp that way.<br />
<br />
So, if I put a line like this in my rc.sysinit file:<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>export TV_HTML_SERVER=http://192.168.7.1/TuikRes</pre></div><br />
and then set up a web server at that address, I see the tivo pull the TUIK documents from the server:<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:28:22 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/sw_huxley/lib/huxley/HuxleyRemoteDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 153
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:00 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/silicon/lib/sialpha/SiDateFormatStringDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 307
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:00 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/silicon/lib/silicon/SiDefaultsDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 62
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:00 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/silicon/lib/sialpha/SiLookAndFeelDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 93
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:02 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/font/ArialBlack.ttf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 64468</pre></div><br />
<br />
This definitely works in 4.0.  A quick try using 6.2 didn't yield anything, even though the same env variable check is done.  I haven't tried it in any other version yet.<br />
<br />
<b>Edit 5-Nov-2006: My original post said the environment variable was TV_FEATURE_TUIK_RESOURCES.  It only took 4 years for me to notice this error in my posting <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> </b><br />
In addition to <a href="http&#58;&#47;&#47;alt.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=118&amp;start=0&amp;rid=19" target="_blank">IDL files</a>, tivoapp makes use of &quot;TUIK&quot; resources.  These are items used by the GUI -- things like menu contents, fonts, and icon *.png files.  Similar to the way IDL files are treated, tivoapp only loads these resources as needed, and keeps them cached until reboot.<br />
<br />
Normally, tivoapp retrieves these images from MFS.  They get there via the swsystem slice (and as such, you can extract them all from that slice using readguide -f).<br />
<br />
However, tivoapp can be told to look for them somewhere other than MFS by way of the TV_HTML_SERVER environment variable.  That variable should specify a URL of the type &quot;file://&quot;, &quot;shmem://&quot;, or &quot;http://&quot;.  So, for instance, you can stick all the resources (there are over 300 of them) on a local apache server and feed them to tivoapp that way.<br />
<br />
So, if I put a line like this in my rc.sysinit file:<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>export TV_HTML_SERVER=http://192.168.7.1/TuikRes</pre></div><br />
and then set up a web server at that address, I see the tivo pull the TUIK documents from the server:<br />
<div class="pre"><pre>192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:28:22 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/sw_huxley/lib/huxley/HuxleyRemoteDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 153
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:00 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/silicon/lib/sialpha/SiDateFormatStringDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 307
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:00 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/silicon/lib/silicon/SiDefaultsDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 62
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:00 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/silicon/lib/sialpha/SiLookAndFeelDocument.brf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 93
192.168.7.202 - - [05/Nov/2006:12:29:02 -0800] &quot;GET /TuikRes/font/ArialBlack.ttf HTTP/1.0&quot; 200 64468</pre></div><br />
<br />
This definitely works in 4.0.  A quick try using 6.2 didn't yield anything, even though the same env variable check is done.  I haven't tried it in any other version yet.<br />
<br />
<b>Edit 5-Nov-2006: My original post said the environment variable was TV_FEATURE_TUIK_RESOURCES.  It only took 2 years for me to notice this error in my posting <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile"> </b><br />
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endorsing or promoting any one view here. On the other hand, we can't change the <br />
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choose not to have any concept of a God in their program of healing. We are not <br />
endorsing or promoting any one view here. On the other hand, we can't change the <br />
wording of the 12 Step process that has helped so many people who couldn't find <br />
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endorsing or promoting any one view here. On the other hand, we can't change the <br />
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